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[Master Shiori]

Here's the overview of  how i plan to play my Dalish:

Romance: Morrigan, because she and my pc make a pretty good match

Redcliffe: Save the village, but let Owein hang himself so i can buy Farsong.

Circle Tower: side with mages, but refuse to recruit Wynne

Urn of Sacred Ashes: despoil the ashes and either knife Genitivi or have him return to Denerim before I enter the temple

Orzammar: side with Baihlen and destroy the Anvil of the Void (my Dalish despises slavery of any kind)

Nature of the Beast: Have Zathrian lift the curse.

Landsmeet: execute Loghain and have Alistair marry Anora

Final battle: do the dark ritual with Morrigan 

Post-coronation: ask for a new homeland for the Dalish and leave in search of Morri


A bit darker than my usual playtroughs, but I think it fits what Dalish would do.

Comments are welcome.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 24 juin 2010 - 07:49 .

[Swoo]

Master Shiori wrote...

Finally decided to make a proper Dalish archer, but can't seem to decide who to romance.

What do you guys/gals think?

Would it make more sense for a male Dalish to romance Morrigan or Leliana? I'm leaning towards Morrigan since she and my elf have a lot in common when it comes to the Chantry, magic and human society. Leliana, being an archer herself, would make a nice match for him as well.

Advice needed and appreciated.

Well, it could go either way honestly. It depends which type of Dalish personality you are going to play.

If he's going to be much more of the isolationist, survavalist badass, then Morrigan would make more sense.

If you go the more rogueish bowman with a bit of an attitude but nothing drastic, I could see him working well with Leliana once you break past that Orleasean prejudice.

I didn't play a Dalish too far, just like level 10 or 12, but it was actually interesting because Morrigan shows respect towards the Dalish ways. I liked the Leliana romance with my rogue, seeing them ending up as a pair of wandering knaves, but overall I find the romance just way too much Disney for my tastes.

[Master Shiori]

Swoo wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

Finally decided to make a proper Dalish archer, but can't seem to decide who to romance.

What do you guys/gals think?

Would it make more sense for a male Dalish to romance Morrigan or Leliana? I'm leaning towards Morrigan since she and my elf have a lot in common when it comes to the Chantry, magic and human society. Leliana, being an archer herself, would make a nice match for him as well.

Advice needed and appreciated.

Well, it could go either way honestly. It depends which type of Dalish personality you are going to play.

If he's going to be much more of the isolationist, survavalist badass, then Morrigan would make more sense.

If you go the more rogueish bowman with a bit of an attitude but nothing drastic, I could see him working well with Leliana once you break past that Orleasean prejudice.

I didn't play a Dalish too far, just like level 10 or 12, but it was actually interesting because Morrigan shows respect towards the Dalish ways. I liked the Leliana romance with my rogue, seeing them ending up as a pair of wandering knaves, but overall I find the romance just way too much Disney for my tastes.

Being young my Dalish is suspicious towards humans until they prove themselves.

He does like Morrigan though since her outlook is quite similar to his: hates the Chantry, thinks mages should be free and doesn't really fit into human society.

Also, that Disney comment was epic. I never heard anyone describe romance with Leliana like that.

[Giggles_Manically]

Well outside of the Marjorlane plot, it lacks a lot of drama or darkness compared to the others. At least she dosent leave you/dump you for being any thing other than a Human noble.

[Master Shiori]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Well outside of the Marjorlane plot, it lacks a lot of drama or darkness compared to the others. At least she dosent leave you/dump you for being any thing other than a Human noble.

The thing that fascinates me the most about her is that despite everything she went through in life she's still a very optimistic person who sees the best in everyone without coming across as naive.

One moment she'll display almost childish innocence and the other she'll be a cold pragmatist.

Can't wait for her DLC. Should be interesting to see more details about her relationship with Marjorlaine as well as what Leli was really like as a bard.

[Giggles_Manically]

I like how she shuts Morrigan and Zevran down when hardended. Poor Zev, and I honestly think MOrrigan was suprised by that. My Warden was an Arcane Warrior but even he was afraid to fight her at that point.

[Master Shiori]

I don't remember any banter where she shuts Morrigan down, except some of their jealousy lines, but they both have their strong points there.



The thing I absolutely love about Morrigan is how nothing can really catch her off-guard. Even Sten's comment about women not being mages or warriors, which both Wynne and Leliana find hard to handle, only succeeds in leaving her amused.



But hardened Leliana really beats Zevran at his own game, especially when she accepts his advences and asks him to undress so she could see if rumors about Elves were true. Poor Zev is practically speechless.

[Swoo]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I like how she shuts Morrigan and Zevran down when hardended. Poor Zev, and I honestly think MOrrigan was suprised by that. My Warden was an Arcane Warrior but even he was afraid to fight her at that point.

Um, she get's called out on her B.S. and then tries to cover it with a 'at least I tried'. That's not quite shutting someone down. The Zevran dialogues are better because they both come to the conclusion that they are both hired killers, and have a lot in common, she does get a pretty wicked burn in on him though. Poor Zev, I will really miss him if he's not in DA2, he has such great dialogue.

I will agree though, she's much better when hardened. Way less judgemental, and other than Captured! The Pearl dialogue with the right companions with her are probably the funniest bits.

It's a shame we didn't get to see our original companions in Awakening though. I really would have liked to seen some of the conversations and how they could have gone. Could you have imagined Morrigan and Justice? Or Morrigan and Velanna? Morrigan and her ****y attitude of total self-control vs Velanna and her ****y attitude of emotions completly unrestrained would have HAD to led into a mage duel to the death.

Modifié par Swoo, 24 juin 2010 - 09:53 .

[blademaster7]

Posted the link in the Leliana thread as well... but...

http://pc.ign.com/ar.../1101599p1.html

Lukas Kristjanson: We wanted a character who could play with what
we've already established and still feel genuine. Leliana seemed an
obvious fit, because she's a natural storyteller. We also did initial
design work for several other followers—some as back-story, some as
epilogue, some involving the player Grey Warden, and some not. I'm
confident you'll hear about another of those soon, but Leliana's Song
isn't a template for what to expect. Leliana tells a stylized tale, and
while I enjoyed working with the theme, we've got a different purpose in
mind for each DLC release.

what?

[Swoo]

I wonder how many people they are going to confuse with the incorrect release date in the trailer. Looks good though, looks fun.

I like the fact that they are giving you a dialogue wheel like Mass Effect with Lel, so you actually have some options in dialogue. I was pretty sure they would go and make all the conversations basically tiny-cutscenes. Adding in more music as well, and this seems like how DLC should be done. The only concern is he really stresses the speed this moves at. That could just mean it's a no downtime kind of DLC, but it also could be another 45 minute run and done like the ****spawn Chronicles.

That quotes scary. As much as I want more Morrigan, a 1 hour DLC seems like it would just rush through everything and hardly come close to giving any sort of satisfying conclusion. I would live in a constant state of trepidation after it's announcement until I completed it.

teasers for the early lives of several Origins characters, and some groundwork for others you may meet in future.

Ooo, whom I wonder?!

[Swoo]

but a gigantic expansion, called Awakening, was made
available a few months ago, giving Dragon Age fans a dizzying amount of
content to slash through.


LOL, I just noticed that quote. I'm calling bull**** on the whole article now.

[blademaster7]

I don't know what I think about the interview, really. Last time they talked to IGN they said that our decisions would carry over to Awakening and we will experience a different setting if we import... :/

Modifié par blademaster7, 24 juin 2010 - 10:27 .

[Brockololly]

Swoo wrote...

That quotes scary. As much as I want more Morrigan, a 1 hour DLC seems like it would just rush through everything and hardly come close to giving any sort of satisfying conclusion. I would live in a constant state of trepidation after it's announcement until I completed it.

Thats my exact fear for wrapping up Origins- that they'll give the characters like Leliana, Alistair or Morrigan a DLC devoted to them and that will be it for them. I'm not opposed to having more character based DLC, thats what I would have preferred from the start, but none of the DLC has really been high quality stuff and I'd hate to have any given Origins character get their "epilogue" as it was mentioned in the interview through a slap dash DLC.

I have full faith in BioWare's full games, but none of their DLC (even Warden's Keep) really matches up to the quality of their full games.

Swoo wrote...
teasers for the early lives of several Origins characters, and some groundwork for others you may meet in future.
Ooo, whom I wonder?!

Finally! The part about laying the groundwork for future characters is encouraging. Its far enough after Origins released that most likely the people still playing ORigins now are likely the "hardcore" fans- throwing in some story based stuff and hints towards the future is exactly what I need to keep me interested in Origins and Dragon Age in general right now.

[Master Shiori]

blademaster7 wrote...

Posted the link in the Leliana thread as well... but...

http://pc.ign.com/ar.../1101599p1.html

Lukas Kristjanson: We wanted a character who could play with what
we've already established and still feel genuine. Leliana seemed an
obvious fit, because she's a natural storyteller. We also did initial
design work for several other followers—some as back-story, some as
epilogue, some involving the player Grey Warden, and some not. I'm
confident you'll hear about another of those soon, but Leliana's Song
isn't a template for what to expect. Leliana tells a stylized tale, and
while I enjoyed working with the theme, we've got a different purpose in
mind for each DLC release.

what?

From I can tell it seems some of the future DLC could very well deal with our companions after the events of Origins, explore their history a bit more or serve to bridge the gap between DA:O and next DA title.

The last part might be appropriate for Morrigan if they choose to make her part of DA2.

As for meeting potential future companions in Leliana's Song, from what I could gather the characters in that trailer are either Orlesians or Fereldens.

Since DA2 is unlikely to take place in Feredlen again, that means we might find ourselves in Orlais and meet some people from Leliana's past.
Makes me wonder if Leliana won't come back as a companion in DA2? 

[Brockololly]

Swoo wrote...

but a gigantic expansion, called Awakening, was made
available a few months ago, giving Dragon Age fans a dizzying amount of
content to slash through.


LOL, I just noticed that quote. I'm calling bull**** on the whole article now.

Haha- not to sound like a PC elitist, but I notice that its often console people who view Awakening as a DLC that often say it was "huge" and such. Yet as a PC gamer accustomed to ex-packs, its nothing that big really based off of prior BioWare ex-packs.

[Swoo]

Well, I would love to see the DLC connect Origins to DA2 so I am happy to hear that it may actually be in their plans. Be careful what you wish for also springs to mind as well though, hah!



Awakening took me right at nine hours to beat. I feel sad for any gamer who thinks that's a dizzying amount of content.



And Shiori, if they are going to introduce new characters with ties to Leliana (somehow), then I'd say that improves the odds of seeing her again. Not a lock by any means as it could simply be background characters she really doesn't interact or impress upon, but it's usually a better sign.



I wonder what early lives they can show? I'm still hedging towards Calian and Anora, and the secret documents being Orlesean/Ferelden correspondence, and maybe Marj. was trying to hamstring the discussions.

[Master Shiori]

Swoo wrote...

Well, I would love to see the DLC connect Origins to DA2 so I am happy to hear that it may actually be in their plans. Be careful what you wish for also springs to mind as well though, hah!

Awakening took me right at nine hours to beat. I feel sad for any gamer who thinks that's a dizzying amount of content.

And Shiori, if they are going to introduce new characters with ties to Leliana (somehow), then I'd say that improves the odds of seeing her again. Not a lock by any means as it could simply be background characters she really doesn't interact or impress upon, but it's usually a better sign.

I wonder what early lives they can show? I'm still hedging towards Calian and Anora, and the secret documents being Orlesean/Ferelden correspondence, and maybe Marj. was trying to hamstring the discussions.

Well, they could just be characters she runs into but doesn't truly know, or they could be people she considers to be her friends or enemies.
What I'm really getting at here is the nationality of these individuals. If they're Fereldens they most likely won't be seen in future games since those are likely to take place elsewhere. 
If they're Orlesians there's a good chance Orlais might be the stage for DA2 (or whatever they plan to call the next DA title).

As for early lives to be shown:

Morrigan - unlikely since it would require them to show Flemeth again, which means hiring both Claudia Black and Kate Mulgrew

Sten - focusing on his journey to Ferelden maybe?

Zevran - his life as an Antivan Crow before being hired to assassinate the Warden

Shale - her life prior to being made into a golem

Wynne - hard one to figure out. Nothing really spcial comes to mind that would warrant making a DLC about. Maybe a DLC where you bore apprentices to death with your speeches about duty and responsibility?

[Swoo]

Sorry Shiori, I meant more along the lines of what characters can they show in their youth 5-8 years before the start of Origins in the Leliana DLC like they hinted at in the article. I would have to figure it would be a story NPC as I can't think of any party NPCs that would make sense in the setting they are showing. Obvious answers would either be it's Castle Cousland, or most likely Calian/Anora. That's all guesswork though, who knows exactly what is in the DLC?

As to other party NPC DLC's, the Shale one sounds the most interesting. How bittersweet it could be to see the dark days of the original Dwarf-Blight war, ending with being made a golem. I wouldn't mind seeing a Morrigan one set 10-12 years before Origins (they could get away with a different V.A. for that one) giving more insight into her character that are spotty at best.

Post-Epilogue DLC sounds highly interesting though. I'd absolutely love them to bridge DA1 to DA2 with a series of interconnected DLCs. Tie it in with the anime as a prequel to the events of DA2 and you have immediate hype and investment into the next chapter of the saga.


MOAR MORRIGAN!

Modifié par Swoo, 25 juin 2010 - 02:11 .

[Giggles_Manically]

I hope we can get stuff better than the Mass Effect DLC. Watched my friend play Overlord with Miranda and Legion, and NOTHING.



NPC:WE TAKIN OVER THE GETH!

Legion:<picks nose>

[Brockololly]

*DLC mini rant!*

Master Shiori wrote...

From I can tell it seems some of the future DLC could very well deal with our companions after the events of Origins, explore their history a bit more or serve to bridge the gap between DA:O and next DA title.

The last part might be appropriate for Morrigan if they choose to make her part of DA2. 

I'm really interested to see how this DLC  ends up. Just when I've given up hope for decent DLC after DC, BioWare pulls this. From that interview, it sounds great- cinematics, new music (!), voice overs, lore galore, references to old characters and dropping hints on future characters- thats what I hope for with all the DLC. Yet Awakening sounded pretty good too and IMO it was resoundingly "meh." Not bad by any means, but remarkably unremarkable.

I just don't know how I feel about having DLC possibly wrap up or serve as epilogues for Origins characters. Of course if they're not planned to show up in DA2 and the DLC is the only way to give them a send off, thats better than nothing I guess. Or is it? I'm just worried that given the lackluster quality of the past DLC, we'll have DLC which closes the curtain on characters and they'll be spouting off bizarre out of character dialogue like Wynne in RtO or butchering character motivations (morrigan is in it 4 teh LULZ) or  it'll be lacking the quality of Origins. BioWare has my money most of the time with full games, but they haven't done much for me to anticipate quality DLC thats on par with their core titles.

Master Shiori wrote...
Makes me wonder if Leliana won't come back as a companion in DA2? 

Thats my (unfounded?) concern too. That BioWare has noticed how popular some of the Origins characters are but the die has been cast with their direction in DA2 and realized " Oh fooey, character X or plot point Y is really popular but we already are going a totally different direction in DA2. Lets just use character X or plot point Y in a DLC then!" In theory thats MOAR! and that seems good, enough, but its all about quality and if they're mediocre quality, then I'd almost rather they just left the characters or plot threads alone or at least relegated them to a full game and not some budget build DLC where nothing is given justice. I'm all for BioWare proving me wrong, but none of their DLC has done that yet and if anything the quality of it has been going down since Shale and Warden's Keep.

Swoo wrote...

Well, I would love to see the DLC connect
Origins to DA2 so I am happy to hear that it may actually be in their
plans. Be careful what you wish for also springs to mind as well though,
hah!

My ideal DLC for Origins would be stuff that either overtly or in little ways adds to the lore in such a way that it further enriches future DA material. So if there is a character thats in the Leliana DLC or maybe mentioned that shows up in DA2, thats awesome. If there is some location mentioned or plot point brought up that becomes a big thing in DA2, thats great.  Maybe you play as a new character in a DLC who ends up being a new companion in DA2? Maybe a plot point like Avernus' research into the Taint becomes a big deal in DA2? Just no more Darkspawn Chronicles or Feastday poo, please.  

And I'm totally with you on being careful for what we wish for- the idea of DLC bridging Origins with DA2 sounds great. But what if it all sucks? I mean I was psyched for Awakening, but after playing it I am so jaded towards any future DA stuff. Time will tell...

Swoo wrote...
I wonder what early lives they can show? I'm
still hedging towards Calian and Anora, and the secret documents being
Orlesean/Ferelden correspondence, and maybe Marj. was trying to
hamstring the discussions.

I guess if its likely in Ferelden and probably dealing with nobility, Cailan, Anora, Loghain, Howe, the Couslands could all be involved.  But I 'd wager the info could be related the relationship hinted at in RtO between Cailan and Empress Celene. And maybe that hints at future Orlesian events in DA2? Maybe another Orlesian invasion of Ferelden?
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In any event here are some choice quotes from the interview that I found interesting, as usual I'm probably reading into them way too deeply:):

We also did initial design work for several other followers—some as
back-story, some as epilogue, some involving the player Grey Warden, and
some not. I'm confident you'll hear about another of those soon, but
Leliana's Song isn't a template for what to expect. Leliana tells a
stylized tale, and while I enjoyed working with the theme, we've got a
different purpose in mind for each DLC release.

So apparently we shouldn't take Leliana's Song as a template of things to come. And they've thought up other character oriented DLC which seems like a good thing, no? And that we should be hearing about another one fairly soon.... interesting....

Those of you who paid attention to Leliana's past think you know where
this is going, and you're right. Mostly. Maybe. Bards are a capricious
bunch.

This DLC will be interesting (or not?) in part to see if it falls into the trap of all prequels- namely, we already know the outcome. We know Leliana's backstory, we know Marjolaine or Leliana won't die in this DLC, so how will they create suspense? Unless Leliana lied to us in Origins?

Dialogue choices are presented as text paraphrases that lead to fully
voiced lines. It's a hybrid similar to Mass Effect 2, a system I know
well, and we are eager to see how it is received in this setting.

Thats about what I thought and if its like in Origins when you can take Morrigan into the Fade, that could be neat. I just hope BioWare doesn't do this for the PC in future games regardless of how well received it might be here. I don't think they would, but you never know...

Leliana's Song opens with some exploration that shows a known location
in a new light, but overall it is a focused and fast-paced adventure...

I read this as " Yeah it will take place in the re-used Denerim marketplace or the arl of Denerim's estate and will probably take about 45 minutes." Nothing wrong with a short and fun romp, but I just hope the quality is there.

There is a lot of history in the setting, and I've included teasers for
the early lives of several Origins characters, and some groundwork for
others you may meet in future.

This is the stuff I'm probably most looking forward to. I love Leliana but given that its a prequel in a recycled environment and its your standard rogue gameplay, it could be fun, but I'm most interested in the story. Specifically how it might tie into or hint at future stuff. I'm happy they're making story/lore focused DLC but I'd be more interested in stuff that moves the story forward from here on out.

So in addition to enjoying an action-packed and colourful story, you'll
have some shiny new baubles to show off as well.

Maybe its because I'm an old timer 20 something PC gamer, but what is with people's obsession with achievements, trophies and gamerscores!? Really? You need to measure your e-peen so everyone can see how awesome you are because you beat a single player game?

[Swoo]

Maybe its because I'm an old timer 20 something PC gamer, but what is
with people's obsession with achievements, trophies and gamerscores!?

Eh, everyone loves to show off at least a little bit. Pecking orders must be maintained, yadda yadda.

I wonder what the new item will be, if it's going to be rogue leathers like people are talking about, or perhaps the scimitar she is using in the trailer? I use the weapon replacer mod for better weapon graphics so it's possible I modded that texture out, but I don't recognize it.

Back to Morrigan, Alistair notes she looks Chasind. Was he referring to her style of dress, or the eyes? I've just really been wondering why she has such unusual eyes and if it's because of some dragon blood or if that's a "normal" hue for the Chasind.

[Brockololly]

Swoo wrote...

Back to Morrigan, Alistair notes she looks Chasind. Was he referring to her style of dress, or the eyes? I've just really been wondering why she has such unusual eyes and if it's because of some dragon blood or if that's a "normal" hue for the Chasind.

I always figured Morrigan "looked" Chasind due to her kind of unique dress. The eyes are something I've thought about too. I'm not sure how much plot significance they really have. If you go back to some of the earlier Morrigan screens, she just has regular eye color there. SO its entirely possible they did it just to make her look more "exotic."

But her yellow eyes are awfully reminiscent of the werewolves once they're changed back to human form or even dragon like. I think the Dragon Cult codex entry mentions eye color changes in dragon cultists. Or maybe the eye color is due to her shapeshifting somehow? Don't know...



Oh and for any PC gamers out there, Steam is having one of their really insane sales from now until July 4th, FYI. For example, you can get The Witcher for $6 or all 2K games on Steam (Borderlands with all DLC, BioShock 1 and 2, Civ4, MLB2K10, XCOM + more) for $50. Crazy.

Modifié par Brockololly, 25 juin 2010 - 04:46 .

[Mustang678]

I'm thinking the Couslands may be in Leliana's DLC, because Nathaniel mentions (possibly just rumors) that the Couslands were working with the Orlesians, and he had no contact with his father so we know it wasn't just Howe's manipulation

Edit: On the subject of Steam sales, I just got the PC version of Dragon Age for the sale on Sunday. Also, Deus Ex is up for $2.50

Modifié par Mustang678, 25 juin 2010 - 04:57 .

[Swoo]

Brockololly wrote...

Oh and for any PC gamers out there, Steam is having one of their really insane sales from now until July 4th, FYI. For example, you can get The Witcher for $6 or all 2K games on Steam (Borderlands with all DLC, BioShock 1 and 2, Civ4, MLB2K10, XCOM + more) for $50. Crazy.

I gave up on The Witcher, I don't get the hype. It's like an army of Sandal's doing the voice acting, and I feel like I'm going for a field goal or I need to yell 'Fore!' every time I get in combat.

X-COM blew my mind when I was a really young gamer. I bought X-COM and Arena (The very first Elder Scrolls) for the PC with birthday money and lost all summer to them. I had such a hideous mortality rate in those first few missions against the Aliens.

[Swoo]

Mustang678 wrote...

I'm thinking the Couslands may be in Leliana's DLC, because Nathaniel mentions (possibly just rumors) that the Couslands were working with the Orlesians, and he had no contact with his father so we know it wasn't just Howe's manipulation

Edit: On the subject of Steam sales, I just got the PC version of Dragon Age for the sale on Sunday. Also, Deus Ex is up for $2.50

Hmm, that is possible. Bryce did just go on a diplomatic mission to Orlais recently at the start of the Human Noble origin.