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[Mustang678]

Swoo wrote...
I gave up on The Witcher, I don't get the hype. It's like an army of Sandal's doing the voice acting, and I feel like I'm going for a field goal or I need to yell 'Fore!' every time I get in combat.

X-COM blew my mind when I was a really young gamer. I bought X-COM and Arena (The very first Elder Scrolls) for the PC with birthday money and lost all summer to them. I had such a hideous mortality rate in those first few missions against the Aliens.

Hate to continue straying off topic but I just have to say I was also an X-COM kid, still play it once in a while. Loved playing it with my dad or my uncle when I was only a few years old

[revan11exile]

Does anybody know how old Morrigan is because when a male Warden meets her she always called me "lad" oh and you have to be a human as well for her to call you that

[Master Shiori]

I think she's around 30 or so.

[ximena]

Master Shiori wrote...

I think she's around 30 or so.

I do recall reading somewhere that Gaider said that. In Sacred Ashes, she does look around 30, but in-game she actually looks a lot younger.

Modifié par ximena, 25 juin 2010 - 07:55 .

[Master Shiori]

Her age is listed in the toolset, but that info could be outdated for all we know.



Guess we'll just have to guess.



Anyway, here's my Dalish catching some schem trespassers:

[revan11exile]

Nice dalish Shiori i too wanted to create a Dalish that romanced Morrigan but my 360 says i have to many characters created WTF I just have six characters

[Swoo]

ximena wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

I think she's around 30 or so.

I do recall reading somewhere that Gaider said that. In Sacred Ashes, she does look around 30, but in-game she actually looks a lot younger.

Aren't most of the companions on the 'older' side of things compared to the Warden who is generally supposed to be 18-20?

Morrigan is right around 30, Leliana is right around 28, Wynne is like 412, Shale is old as dirt...literally, Sten looks to be late 30's, Zevran is late 20's, Oghren is early to mid 30s I think. I should know this but I can't remember if Alistair is supposed to be early 20's or mid or late.

[OldMan91]

The toolset info is definitely outdated. Alistair is said to be 32 I believe and Wynne 50ish. So yeah, I wouldn't take the toolset ages as outright true.

[Master Shiori]

Swoo wrote...

ximena wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

I think she's around 30 or so.

I do recall reading somewhere that Gaider said that. In Sacred Ashes, she does look around 30, but in-game she actually looks a lot younger.

Aren't most of the companions on the 'older' side of things compared to the Warden who is generally supposed to be 18-20?

Morrigan is right around 30, Leliana is right around 28, Wynne is like 412, Shale is old as dirt...literally, Sten looks to be late 30's, Zevran is late 20's, Oghren is early to mid 30s I think. I should know this but I can't remember if Alistair is supposed to be early 20's or mid or late.

According to the toolset they are.

Alistair and Warden are the youngest group members.

Ximena does have a point about Morrigan looking younger in the game than she does in Sacred Ashes trailer. It could very well be that Bioware decided to make her younger than was originally intended.

[Napalm Jim]

OldMan91 wrote...

The toolset info is definitely outdated. Alistair is said to be 32 I believe and Wynne 50ish. So yeah, I wouldn't take the toolset ages as outright true.

Yeah, the toolset thing is just a VO thingy, not their actual ages.

David Gator mentioned it himself about six months ago.
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/47/index/453627/1#463184

[Brockololly]

As far as Morrigan's age here it is from Gaider himself from the old forums and Dragon Age Central:

Thread: Morrigan
Date: Tuesday, 24 February 2009 07:27PM 
David Gaider wrote...

Posted 02/24/09 18:36 (GMT) by Maria Caliban
About how old is she? She had a normal human life span, right?

Morrigan's in her late twenties to early thirties.

And here is another interesting quote from Gaider that explains Morrigan's character a bit more:

Thread: You think you know Morrigan... 
Date: Thursday, 25 June 2009 01:48AM 
David Gaider wrote...

Posted 06/25/09 00:10 (GMT) by vilnii
She rather has been described to us as follows:

1) Violent
2) Power
hungry (self described)
3) High maintenance lady (expensive gifts an all)
4) Antisocial (no friends)

There are just no redeeming features there. Heck your PC may have to be evil to romance her..

I think Morrigan likes the idea of being powerful, but she is not cruel or capricious with it. She has no intention of ruling over others. If anything, what she's hungry for is knowledge.

As for being antisocial, I think it's a bit more nuanced than that. She is not used to being around others. She has no filters for her opinions, and she doesn't suffer fools gladly -- why should she? She's also seen the bad side of humanity already even with her limited exposure. Being hunted by templars will do that. So if she doesn't have a very trusting nature, she comes by it honestly.

With Morrigan, part of the challenge is cracking through her surface. To write her off as evil is... well, exactly what she expects people to do.

And then you have this post  from the old forum in the old thread of people complaining about Claudia Black and Morrigan's "new" look regarding Morrigan's eyes:

Thread: What has happened to Morrigan?

Date: Saturday, 14 February 2009 02:53AM

David Gaider wrote...

Quote: Posted 02/14/09 01:35 (GMT) by RedRoo
Cauthrein lacks the sultry eyes, though. Those are pivotal. Morrigan stares and it says "come to bed with me", whereas Cauthrein's eyes say "Let's go polish our armor together!"

I'm sure she would suggest you go polish something.

Quote: Posted 02/14/09 01:10 (GMT) by Nighteye2
What were you thinking with that lower lip?

Some people think Angelina Jolie has giant lips, too. Sometimes people have big lips, what do you want?

Quote: Posted 02/14/09 01:02 (GMT) by Lotion Soronnar
Can you explain the yellow eyes? I crave that explanation. She IS human after all.
I need that explanation.

She is human, yes, but she is also a shapeshifter with unusual parentage. Her eyes are that colour to accentuate the fact that she is slightly alien in her nature, despite being human.

Fair enough?

Modifié par Brockololly, 25 juin 2010 - 01:24 .

[Master Shiori]

classic case of people judging a book by it's cover.



Morrigan is an extremely deep character that you really need to take time to get to know and understand.



I'd say keeping an open mind about her background, views and values can go a long way to help you crack through her shell.



Once you discover her true self and are stubborn enough to refuse to be pushed away, you'll really start to appreciate her as a character.



Sadly, even after all this time that DA:O has been out people still fail to realize that.

[Giggles_Manically]

I think most people get pushed away by the whole :"Love is a weakness" "survival is all that matters" "help only your own interests" kinda clashes with many people's basic beliefs. Also most people probably cant get over the DR and how she kept it from the warden the whole time.



I like her charachter and all but her arc dosent end so her story if left unfinished which is interestting and annoying at the same time.



However I cant accept the whole sacrfice elves for yourself thing. Even my Blood Mage was sickened by that, since he only used his own, or enemies blood in combat. The whole Idea that it is in any way acceptable, or someone would do that just disgusts me to the extreme.

[Brockololly]

Swoo wrote...

Aren't most of the companions on the 'older' side of things compared to the Warden who is generally supposed to be 18-20?

Morrigan is right around 30, Leliana is right around 28, Wynne is like 412, Shale is old as dirt...literally, Sten looks to be late 30's, Zevran is late 20's, Oghren is early to mid 30s I think. I should know this but I can't remember if Alistair is supposed to be early 20's or mid or late.

Its funny- I think in most of the Origins the PC is supposed to be around 20 or early 20s. Yet of course in the character creator you can make them look like elderly people. *shrugs shoulders*

Personally I always figured the character ages like this:

Warden: early 20s
Alistair: early to mid 20s
Morrigan: late 20s, early 30s
Leliana: mid to late 20s
Wynne: late 50s, maybe early 60s
Shale: really old
Oghren: late 30s, early 40s
Sten: no clue- maybe mid 30s, but how old do Qunari get?
Loghain: late 50s
Zevran: early 30s

But its funny when you look at some of the concept art and compare it to the actual game. Like Zevran's? Whoa- his hair is crazy in the concept art or Alistair is a rough and rugged Warden veteran.

On that line of thought, here is another Gaider quote pulled from the Archives thats kind of interesting:

Thread: Who was the first Dragon Age character? 

Date: Thursday, 29 October 2009 04:35PM
David Gaider wrote...

Quote: Posted 10/28/09 21:19 (GMT) by flem1
Which of the joinable NPCs do you think (or, if you're a dev, know) was the first conceived as a character for the game?

For joinable NPC's? I'd say possibly Wynne or Zevran -- certainly they have survived most recognizably from their first concepts. If you're talking about which character role was first conceived, then probably Morrigan.

Kind of interesting that Morrigan was the character whose role was first conceived. But what does it all mean?

Modifié par Brockololly, 25 juin 2010 - 03:11 .

[ejoslin]

I agree with you on all the ages but Zevran -- he's supposed to be young. I know toolset ages aren't always accurate (heh, Alistair), but I think Zevran's is probably correct at 24.

Edit: Actually, Loghain is most likely early 50.  The Orlesans had been defeated 30 years prior, when he was 21.

Modifié par ejoslin, 25 juin 2010 - 03:24 .

[Addai]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

However I cant accept the whole sacrfice elves for yourself thing. Even my Blood Mage was sickened by that, since he only used his own, or enemies blood in combat. The whole Idea that it is in any way acceptable, or someone would do that just disgusts me to the extreme.

I agree that it is a low point for Morrigan, but to put it in context, she is more aware than most of your companions what you are facing.  Flemeth has been prophesying about the Blight and about how crucial Grey Wardens are.  Morrigan knows that you have to survive in order to be able to kill the archdemon.  Think about how precarious it is that there are only 2 Wardens in the country and one of them must be alive or the Blight moves on.

So when Morrigan talks about augmenting the Warden's power, it is becausse "power" is a personal value of hers, but she is not doing so in a complete vacuum.  She's not going around murdering people for fun and profit, after all.  There is a purpose behind what she says.

Modifié par Addai67, 25 juin 2010 - 03:31 .

[Master Shiori]

It could mean any number of things Brock.



He could be referring to the dark ritual but somehow I doubt it's as simple as that.



It could mean Morrigan has a larger role to play in DA and Origins could just be the beginning of her tale.



I remember there was an old topic about Morrigan where someone suggested that, based on dark ritual and the OGB, Morrigan could be a central character to the DA series.

Gaider said that assumption might turn out to be true, but saying it now is like watching the first 10 minutes of a movie and, based on what you saw so far, claiming to already know how it's going to end.



Personally, I think there is a good chance Morrigan may have some kind of destiny that will be revealed in the future Da game(s). Despite all the dialogue the player can have with her she remain a rather mysterious character until the very end. There is precious little that we know about her plans and these things could provide some interesting story elements should writers choose to explore them in the future.



Only time will tell what comes of all this.

[Giggles_Manically]

When Morrigan says that she understands that there is another person that the warden cares for is she actually upset, or just getting that cleaned up between her and the warden? I liked saying as my City Elf that Alistair was an idiot but he was my idiot.



I like her writing and interaction with the warden though fairly interesting overall.

[Brockololly]

ejoslin wrote...

I agree with you on all the ages but Zevran -- he's supposed to be young. I know toolset ages aren't always accurate (heh, Alistair), but I think Zevran's is probably correct at 24.

Yeah, I always think Zevran is maybe a little older than he seems, kind of like Leliana. If only because he seems to have had a rather adventurous life as an assassin and he seems like he is quite experienced for his age.

Addai67 wrote...

So when Morrigan talks about augmenting the Warden's power, it is becausse "power" is a personal value of hers, but she is not doing so in a complete vacuum.  She's not going around murdering people for fun and profit, after all.  There is a purpose behind what she says.

Right- While many of the things Morrigan advocates may be seen as cold and ruthless, she isn't advocating things like preserving the Anvil of the Void or sacrificing the elves out of cruelty and malice. She sees the Warden's survival as priority numero uno and any means to ensure that survival to defeat the Blight is a reasonable cost to pay. Might not be a morally palatable proposition, but her view of the world actually jives with the Warden world view in that you do whatever it takes to defeat the Blight, no matter the cost.

Master Shiori wrote...

I remember there was an old topic about Morrigan where someone suggested that, based on dark ritual and the OGB, Morrigan could be a central character to the DA series.Gaider said that assumption might turn out to be true,but saying it now is like watching the first 10 minutes of a movie and, based on what you saw so far, claiming to already know how it's going to end.

Yup- that quote is here:

David Gaider wrote...

nub5 wrote...Can you be sure about this?  Perhaps she is integral to the Dragon Age storyline which is to span 3 games.

I'm not sure why some people assume that Morrigan's tale MUST be central and definitive. It could be,but the certainty some people express is sort of like how some people are absolutely certain they know where a movie is going half-way through (or five minutes in). They might very well be right, but the Morrigan fans should be aware that their version of the tale is hardly definitive.

Typical Gaider talk- managing expectations and maybe, maybe not stuff. Morrigan clearly has a greater role to play, but what that role may be, DR or not, remains a mystery for now. Its all a bit frustrating that at the end of Origins we really don't have any greater insight into Morrigan or Flemeth than what we did at the beginning. Sure we know she has designs on the Old God Baby, but you knew from the onset that Morrigan was up to something. And while Morrigan's mysteriousness is part of her interest as a character, I just hope they don't drag out the mystery for too long or just keep piling on more unanswered questions- you do that too much and it just leads to frustration and disinterest after a while.

Modifié par Brockololly, 25 juin 2010 - 04:33 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Brockololly wrote...
And while Morrigan's mysteriousness is part of her interest as a character, I just hope they don't drag out the mystery for too long or just keep piling on more unanswered questions- you do that too much and it just leads to frustration and disinterest after a while.

To be honest, I prefer continued mystery over a banal reveal. Assassin's Creed I and II were great for all the mystery and itnrigue they created, but the ending was a slap in the face because of how cliched and uninspired it was. At least it was so for me. I hated the ending as much as I loved the rest of the game.

EDIT: but on the otherhand, I want a closure for the romance. Ugh, why did Morigan have to catch my interest in so many different ways?

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 25 juin 2010 - 05:09 .

[Master Shiori]

Well, to Bioware's credit, they really know how to cook up a good mystery and reveal it in a way that doesn't come across as cheap or disappointing.



My take is that anyone can come up with a mysterious story or character that never gets explained. What separates bad writers from good ones is that a bad writer will cook up a mystery without really knowing how to solve it and thus just leave it as it is. A good writers will take that mystery and work it out in a way that enriches the overall story.

[Brockololly]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

To be honest, I prefer continued mystery over a banal reveal. Assassin's Creed I and II were great for all the mystery and itnrigue they created, but the ending was a slap in the face because of how cliched and uninspired it was. At least it was so for me. I hated the ending as much as I loved the rest of the game.

EDIT: but on the otherhand, I want a closure for the romance. Ugh, why did Morigan have to catch my interest in so many different ways?

Yeah, I wouldn't want them to explain away every little thing about Morrigan and her plans, but at the same time they need to at least try to explain some of it going forward. Its just that the longer you build up a mystery the higher expectations become with any kind of reveal. They don't need to explain everything but you can't just heap mystery and unanswered questions on top of each other. At least provide possible explanations even if they're never 100% confirmed as truth in the game.

To use a movie example, a good way of doing the whole mystery deal without frustrating is in The Dark Knight with the Joker. Too often in superhero movies, they'll explain away every little detail of a villain's origin story, yet with the Joker, he's purposefully left an enigma and a mystery. Yet they play up that fact with all the little tales he tells people about his scars- you never know which one or if any of them are true, but it fits the character. You could say Flemeth's origin story is similar- there are variations of her tale, but you never know which one is true, although you have enough information to make a guess. WIth Morrigan and her plan with the OGB though, we have no clue what she is up to. So if they skirt around that in the future, I'd find that frustrating more than intriguing.

I think the key is revealing things piece by piece and not in one big expository mystery reveal dump. KOTOR1 did it fairly well with the Revan reveal and I hope that going forward,  the big moments for DA aren't reserved for the last couple hours of gameplay. Thats one of my problems with Awakening is that you're dumped on with loads of exposition and plot reveals in that last conversation with the Architect- why not seed that stuff a little better all throughout the game? Obviously you want things in the story to climax towards the end, but with Origins and to a greater extent Awakening, its like everything just gets dumped on you and your PC has hardly any time to absorb or do anything with all of the plot revelations that get sprung on you at the end.

[Brockololly]

Swanky new page for the Leliana DLC with some interesting screenshots and 2 "locked" characters: http://dragonage.bio.../lelianas_song/



So apparently Leliana faces off against a dragon?!





That area kind of reminds me of the one in Awakening with the hostage...

[Giggles_Manically]

What would you guys think if Claudia Black wouldnt voice Morrigan anymore? IF you read into a lot of tv shows sometimes actors refuse to come back if they dont get enough pay, so what if Claudia Black says that? That would suck since I think the voice is twice as important as looks and would just seem silly.

[Brockololly]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

What would you guys think if Claudia Black wouldnt voice Morrigan anymore? IF you read into a lot of tv shows sometimes actors refuse to come back if they dont get enough pay, so what if Claudia Black says that? That would suck since I think the voice is twice as important as looks and would just seem silly.

I'd prefer to not think of that:crying:

To me, Claudia Black is as much Morrigan as anything else. I seriously seriously doubt she'd refuse over pay or something like that though. I'd imagine if BioWare has Dragon Age plans fleshed out for future games, Claudia Black probably has some contract clause for future stuff with BioWare.