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[Mustang678]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

What would you guys think if Claudia Black wouldnt voice Morrigan anymore? IF you read into a lot of tv shows sometimes actors refuse to come back if they dont get enough pay, so what if Claudia Black says that? That would suck since I think the voice is twice as important as looks and would just seem silly.

I really like her voice, but I guess as long as the new VA isn't totally different I could adjust pretty easily. She'll still have the same mannerisms in her speech I assume

[Brockololly]

On the subject of Morrigan's voice, there is this quote from Gaider thats interesting to think of what could have been:

Thread: The 'Ask David Gaider' thread
Date: Saturday, 28 February 2009 08:02PM
David Gaider wrote...

Quote: Posted 02/28/09 18:11 (GMT) by Hal6000
Ok David, if i may be so bold and ask, I might be wrong but you are a fan of Robin Hobb's Farseer books? Feel free to correct me if that's not so.

I quite enjoyed them, yes (in fact, there's another thread on literature here where I recommended them). Mary recommended them to me and I picked them up last year.

Quote: Anywhoo how do you like books by Neil Gaiman, let's say American Gods?

I love Neil Gaiman, although oddly enough I was not a big fan of American Gods. The Sandman comics willalways be a favorite of mine, however. The initial version of Morrigan sounded a bit like Delerium, believe it or not, until I decided that made her more annoying than anything else (at least the way *I* was writing it).

Modifié par Brockololly, 25 juin 2010 - 07:41 .

[Master Shiori]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

What would you guys think if Claudia Black wouldnt voice Morrigan anymore? IF you read into a lot of tv shows sometimes actors refuse to come back if they dont get enough pay, so what if Claudia Black says that? That would suck since I think the voice is twice as important as looks and would just seem silly.

I can't really see that happening.

The only scenario where a new voice actor would be considered is if Claudia's schedule is full and she can't possibly squeeze in VA work for DA. If Bioware couldn't come to some sort of arrangement they'd be forced to look for a replacement or write Morri out completely.

Seriously though, look at ME1 and ME2. Those VA's aren't cheap or unknown, but they still kept the same people who did male and female Shep, Garrus, Ashley, Keidan, Liara, Tali, Wrex, etc.

I imagine they know pretty well if they'll need Morrigan again in future games or not, and would let Claudia Black know well in advance to make sure she'll be available when needed.

I can't really remember any single game where a returning character was voiced by different VA then in the original title.

[Swoo]

Oh God that would have been horrible. Based on the text balloons and multiple hues they splashed across said balloons, and the shaky, varied fonts mixed in for her dialogue, I always got the impression she talked like a nutter. One of those voices that shifts pitch constantly during sentences, sometimes even the same word, and that always seemed to have that light almost airy quality about it. Ugh, would have hated that.

Brock, them fighting a male dragon shouldn't come as a surprise. They are a unit of level 10's in this DLC, so that puts them right at the tougher yet not toughest enemies bracket. I will find this very interesting to watch. I've told people over and over (when it comes to importation), that it's the plot that defines your strength and not your gear or levels really, so the idea that going into DA2 and 'resetting' to level one would be perfectly fine plotwise much like ME2, which some seem to have problems grasping. I want to see how it goes with people who play this with Leliana as level 10, and then run into her as level 6 or 7 in game. Will they understand now, or will it melt their little heads?

Thats one of my problems with Awakening is that you're dumped on with loads of exposition and plot reveals in that last conversation with the Architect-

It was just a total and criminal misuse of characters in that game. You spend 99% of the game chasing down this new breed of Darkspawn, and then you get basically the games plot dropped on you in the last second and are told to make a choice. They really should have spaced the information out a bit more so you could actually form an opinion. I wasted the Architect because I knew nothing about him other than 'I want to Taint everyone', and past the glaring holes in logic of that, you find out after the fact he's the jackass who started the Blight. Ugh. Great character concept, completely inept in game. The Jowan of the Darkspawn, m'friends.

To be honest, I prefer continued mystery over a banal reveal.

You have to give information eventually, otherwise it moves away from mysterious and just into boring. Look at LOST, they suffered it more than anyone else in the past decade or two.

I'm not sure why some people assume that Morrigan's tale MUST be central and definitive. It could be,but the certainty some people express is sort of like how some people are absolutely certain they know where a movie is going half-way through

It's called telegraphing your punches. Having a plot like Morrigan and the God-Child doesn't take Scotland Yard to come to the conclusion that it's the best hanging plot-thread of Dragon Age and needs to be taken care of in a sequel, and with the proven investment into all the characters involved by the player base needs to be done with some sort of depth and care. To ignore it or the fanbase in this would be folly.

[Master Shiori]

Swoo wrote...

I'm not sure why some people assume that Morrigan's tale MUST be central and definitive. It could be,but the certainty some people express is sort of like how some people are absolutely certain they know where a movie is going half-way through

It's called telegraphing your punches. Having a plot like Morrigan and the God-Child doesn't take Scotland Yard to come to the conclusion that it's the best hanging plot-thread of Dragon Age and needs to be taken care of in a sequel, and with the proven investment into all the characters involved by the player base needs to be done with some sort of depth and care. To ignore it or the fanbase in this would be folly.

Agreed.

Also, if you check Gaider's previous posts to similar speculation, you'll notice he always downplays things or tries to confuse people in order to keep them guessing.

I just read a topic from old Dragon Age Central where he kept saying that Leliana may not be a romance option because they aren't obliged to make her one, even though almost everyone realized she will be.

Looking at the whole DR and OGB story and it's potential, you'd have to be blind not to realize it will be explored in future titles and that Morrigan will be back. I mean, if the having a child with the soul of an Old God doesn't make for a major story then I really can't figure out what does. 
It's not like such kids are born in Thedas on regular basis...

Also, in "Calendar of Thedas" entry in the codex, it says that Dragon Age is supposed to be the time of great upheaval and change for all of Thedas.
I can't think of a bigger upheaval and change than the return of the Old Gods and religious conflict with the Chantry.

[Brockololly]

Swoo wrote...

Brock, them fighting a male dragon shouldn't come as a surprise.

Oh, I'm just trying to piece together why in this DLC Leliana and friends would be anywhere fighting a dragon. I thought it would be mostly city and castle dungeon crawling which doesn't seem like a place for dragons. We'll know soon enough I suppose.

Swoo wrote...
It was just a total and criminal misuse of characters in that game. You spend 99% of the game chasing down this new breed of Darkspawn, and then you get basically the games plot dropped on you in the last second and are told to make a choice. They really should have spaced the information out a bit more so you could actually form an opinion. I wasted the Architect because I knew nothing about him other than 'I want to Taint everyone', and past the glaring holes in logic of that, you find out after the fact he's the jackass who started the Blight. Ugh. Great character concept, completely inept in game. The Jowan of the Darkspawn, m'friends.

Exactly- If I hadn't read The Calling before, I would have thought the Architect was just a huge loser. I mean he is the Darkspawn Urkel-
"Hey Mr. Architect your bone headed plan just tainted an Old God and started a Blight."
Architect: " Did I do that?" (VO note: in nasal, Urkel voice)

They really wasted the Architect as a villain in Awakening. He was fantastic and creepy in The Calling and he looks interesting enough in Awakening yet he's in all of 2 short scenes! And his plan in The Calling was so much better and devious than in Awakening.  Wasted potential, like so much of Awakening. That said I had at least one of my PCs spare him in the slim hope maybe he'll show up in the future and BioWare will actually give him something to do. On second thought, he's make an awesome companion! It'll be like a buddy cop movie, the Architect and Grey Warden!

Swoo wrote...
You have to give information eventually, otherwise it moves away from mysterious and just into boring. Look at LOST, they suffered it more than anyone else in the past decade or two.

Thats exactly my fear with many of the unresolved plot points and "mysteries" in Origins. I'm perfectly ok if they don't go about explaining away certain things like religion where you should have an element of faith involved, but other things like Morrigan and the OGB can't be brushed aside or marginalized with some new shiny mystery. I never watched LOST but many of my friends did and one of their compaints was that a cool mysterious plot point would be introduced only to never be explained again or to be brushed aside for another new "mystery." Its cool for a bit but without any payoff, it gets old quick.

As far as Morrigan and the OGB goes, I'm a bit worried it might be like some of the season finales of 24. I n on eof the season finales they had an assassin person basically poison the President and then the President collapsed, cut to 24 clock, end of season. So you're thinking its a big cliffhanger but once the next season starts its a couple years later and the president is fine  and its all explained away in a couple sentences.

Or in the 5th season finale I think where Jack gets abducted by the Chinese at the very last minute. So you're thinking that will be a big plot point in season 6. Nevermind that season 6 of 24 was terrible, but they basically just conveniently fly Jack back from China in the 1st episode. Basically what I'm getting at is, I'm only slightly worried that maybe MOrrigan and the OGB will be given some closure only in the form of some brief 2 minute cameo or they do something to explain it all away in a matter of seconds at the start of DA2.... like having a giant rock fall on Morrigan and the OGB.<_<

Modifié par Brockololly, 25 juin 2010 - 11:36 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Wait if the OGB dies, dosent that kill the Warden who killed the Archdemon?

[Jacks Smirking Revenge]

No at least not how I understand it working. Your child's soul gets crushed by the Old God, or as Morrigan put it "even if you can call it a child yet".

[Swoo]

Jacks Smirking Revenge wrote...

No at least not how I understand it working. Your child's soul gets crushed by the Old God, or as Morrigan put it "even if you can call it a child yet".

No, it's an empty vessel, hence the 'even if you can call it a child'. I'm sure this can easily get blown out of porportion by those who just absolutely have to pick a fight about anything, but basically you make a container for the pure essence of the Old God, you aren't actually sacrificing up a kid for possession.

I watched the first season of 24 and gave up Brock. It would have made a fine drinking game of 'every time a woman gets kidnapped, do a shot', but it just didn't get me. If that's how they really worked with their cliffhangers though, I'd be furious if a game went like that and just tried to continuously brush it under the rug.


Also, in "Calendar of Thedas" entry in the codex, it says that Dragon
Age is supposed to be the time of great upheaval and change for all of
Thedas.

Qunari invasion, Circle of Mages fracture, Old God religion coming back to the forefront...oh yes, plenty of change already set up, just a matter of how much they are following through with hints they've already dropped and how much of it will be newly introduced content.

Oh, I'm just trying to piece together why in this DLC Leliana and
friends would be anywhere fighting a dragon

Maybe it's like Vegas and the guy is keeping it as a pet. That's it, we are finally going to find out who the real Broma Brothers were and what fate befell them. Tricksy Bioware.

They really wasted the Architect as a villain in Awakening.

Yeah, I saw a mod on Nexus where someone basically spliced in the Architect and the sentient Darkspawn into the original campaign to try to give him a little more backstory because he's just so barely touched in 'his' game. Someone brought up before that one of the major awakened Darkspawn was never met in game or given a proper fate, I wonder if we will see him again.

Wait if the OGB dies, dosent that kill the Warden who killed the
Archdemon?

Nobody is sure on this. I happen to think yes, it will be like the Ultimate Sacrifice v.2, others think she was just talking about 'If you make a move against me now, you surely die tomorrow'. I like the idea of the child raising the stakes by tying your lives together. It also makes an amazing plot hook to add ontop of an already fantastic one already dangling at the end of Origins.

I really like her voice

Claudia Black, mmmm. English girls can have amazing accents, Australian girls as well, but you get an English-Australian hybrid? Oh lord. I wish Morrigan in game would have been modled on her features a little more, I would not have rested until I made a Ben Browder facemorph.

Oh, speaking of which, someone told me that her in game appearance is based off some chick in the Howling, while V.Johnson and Katze were just for the CGI. 

I think Morrigan likes the idea of being powerful, but she is not cruel
or capricious with it. She has no intention of ruling over others. If
anything, what she's hungry for is knowledge. As for being antisocial, I think it's a bit more nuanced than that. She
is not used to being around others....To write her off as evil is... well, exactly what she expects people to
do.

I think that's an amazing quote I wish more people would take heed of.

Sadly, even after all this time that DA:O has been out people still fail
to realize that.

Too many people bought the Wilds/Lothering first impression as the depth of her character, or they project their own problems/identites, that the character is never given a chance even though it's shown repeatedly that there is much more going on, and the first few hours of dealing with her is most likely her just repeating opinions she has been told to say (much like a child parroting a father) and not actual ideology of any sorts.

However I cant accept the whole sacrfice elves for yourself thing

The Elves wouldn't help themeselves, so how far are you willing to go to help them? I think that's the problem she sees with it. When Sten is captured and caged, she is adamant about setting him free. When Jowan is caged, she also is deadset on letting him go. But when the Elves get captured, they just give up and I think she just says 'well **** them then.' Game mechanic note: How much do you even get for sacrificing them? Was it 10 CON -which is a lot of hp I think- or 10 HP?

I let the Elves go always but I think that's her reasoning behind the whole deal.

I agree with you on all the ages but Zevran -- he's supposed to be
young.

He may definitely be the 'old soul in a young body', but he just seems to have experienced enough I personally would think he had some years into him. Flipside is he was a Crow from childhood, so who knows, his first mission may have been at fifteen.

[Giggles_Manically]

Three things of note:

Cautherin hits like a freight train owch.

Troll on forums beware, already invaded the Leliana thread battle going nowhere,



Anyone who thinks that the slaughther of innocent people who were captured, and could be easily saved, but instead has them all killed is a disgusting person. I am sorry even if it meant turning me into a demi-god/herculues it is sick. I came within an inch for booting her at that point.

[Jacks Smirking Revenge]

Swoo wrote...

Jacks Smirking Revenge wrote...

No at least not how I understand it working. Your child's soul gets crushed by the Old God, or as Morrigan put it "even if you can call it a child yet".

No, it's an empty vessel, hence the 'even if you can call it a child'. I'm sure this can easily get blown out of porportion by those who just absolutely have to pick a fight about anything, but basically you make a container for the pure essence of the Old God, you aren't actually sacrificing up a kid for possession.

Well that is basically what I ment I just thought child would be easier to understand than zygote. lol

[Swoo]

Jacks Smirking Revenge wrote...

Swoo wrote...

Jacks Smirking Revenge wrote...

No at least not how I understand it working. Your child's soul gets crushed by the Old God, or as Morrigan put it "even if you can call it a child yet".

No, it's an empty vessel, hence the 'even if you can call it a child'. I'm sure this can easily get blown out of porportion by those who just absolutely have to pick a fight about anything, but basically you make a container for the pure essence of the Old God, you aren't actually sacrificing up a kid for possession.

Well that is basically what I ment I just thought child would be easier to understand than zygote. lol

Yeah, I was just clearing it up. Too many people would read it and take it as gospel that Morrigan threw away a babies soul to get what she wants, thus instantly proving she's the Anti-Christ.

[Brockololly]

Swoo wrote...
 I wish Morrigan in game would have been modled on her features a little more, I would not have rested until I made a Ben Browder facemorph.

Hahaha... that reminded me of these awesome DA comics. They're like The Far Side meets Dragon Age- example:

Modifié par Brockololly, 26 juin 2010 - 03:32 .

[Ash Wind]

Swoo wrote...

I think Morrigan likes the idea of being powerful, but she is not cruel
or capricious with it. She has no intention of ruling over others. If
anything, what she's hungry for is knowledge. As for being antisocial, I think it's a bit more nuanced than that. She
is not used to being around others....To write her off as evil is... well, exactly what she expects people to
do.

I think that's an amazing quote I wish more people would take heed of.

Sadly, even after all this time that DA:O has been out people still fail
to realize that.

However I cant accept the whole sacrfice elves for yourself thing

The Elves wouldn't help themeselves, so how far are you willing to go to help them? I think that's the problem she sees with it. When Sten is captured and caged, she is adamant about setting him free. When Jowan is caged, she also is deadset on letting him go. But when the Elves get captured, they just give up and I think she just says 'well **** them then.' Game mechanic note: How much do you even get for sacrificing them? Was it 10 CON -which is a lot of hp I think- or 10 HP?

I let the Elves go always but I think that's her reasoning behind the whole deal.

I'd have to disagree with you there. For starters, Sten is in his cage because he didn't lift a finger to battle those who came to arrest him, he just gave up.

Additionally, whether the elves were infected with plague or tricked into believing they were, they were seeking medical treatment, they didn’t just give up. If they only let one or two in at a time for ‘treatment’ and there are ten of them armed and 2 elves expecting to see a doctor, it seems you could capture many people that way, humans, qunari, elves or dwarves.

I think if there was some slimey POS outside of Sten’s cell or Jowan’s offering to increase your power using their life force her reaction would have been much the same. Its in her upbringing… whether she covets power or merely admires it, when the issue of power comes up, her ears perk up and she only sees the short term benefit and not the long term consequences. Until, as in the Anvil, its shown it could just as easily be her ass on the line… or on the Anvil in this case.

Like the Anvil of the Void, it would have been fun if the Warden could have made a counter-offer… how much would my power increase if you used all the elves in this room and one dark-haired sorceress…? Just like the Anvil, I am sure it wouldn’t have taken much to convince her it might not be the greatest of ideas.

[KnightofPhoenix]

The way I interpretted Morrigan when faced with Sten, Jowan and the elves is this.

She sees Sten as a powerful and proud creature and it would be a waste to let him starve to death or be killed by the darkspawn while he is defenseless.
She sees Jowan as a mage who resisted what she percieves to be Chantry and circle imprisonement. It would be a waste to let him rot in prison to be killed by zombies, while he could be useful.
I would think she sees the city elves as being useless on the otherhand, so using them to increase your own power would not be a waste.

Though I did not choose that option (and not because I especially value the elves, but because I don't trust the slaver), I would understand where she's coming from.

[Master Shiori]

Theron and Morrigan enjoying a tender moment.

[Fallstar]

I did sacrifice the elves on my very first playthrough, because I thought to myself that if i struggled with the high dragon (it was my first playthrough ) surely I'd need all the help I could get against the archdemon. In later playthroughs, I generally sacrifice the elves as well though. I'm just not that attached to the elves I guess. Though I like Shianni.

[blademaster7]

I always sacrifice the elves.

I won't do it if I ever get there with a city elf, though.

Now I wish I could recruit Caladrius and take him with me to Orzammar... hmm.

*Activates shield wall*

Modifié par blademaster7, 26 juin 2010 - 12:48 .

[Master Shiori]

blademaster7 wrote...

Now I wish I could recruit Caladrius and take him with me to Orzammar... hmm.

Why Orzammar?

[Jacks Smirking Revenge]

Master Shiori wrote...

blademaster7 wrote...

Now I wish I could recruit Caladrius and take him with me to Orzammar... hmm.

Why Orzammar?

Sacrifice dwarfs??? I don't know either lol.

Modifié par Jacks Smirking Revenge, 26 juin 2010 - 01:21 .

[blademaster7]

Master Shiori wrote...

blademaster7 wrote...

Now I wish I could recruit Caladrius and take him with me to Orzammar... hmm.

Why Orzammar?

Let's just say I don't really like dwarves...

[Giggles_Manically]

Kardol is so leet that merely being in his presence will cause all evil doers and darkspawn to melt from the sheer blinding awsomeness. That little schnook does not go down ever when fighting the Archdemon.

[Mustang678]

Are there any real consequences to sacrificing the elves?

[Jacks Smirking Revenge]

I don't think so other than you don't get a reward(dagger). Epilogue I don't think anything gets changed.

Modifié par Jacks Smirking Revenge, 26 juin 2010 - 05:49 .

[Addai]

Mustang678 wrote...

Are there any real consequences to sacrificing the elves?

The Con bonus is so paltry that it's a lot of evil for not much return.  I've never done it, but then I usually play either elves or Andrastian humans.