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[Master Shiori]

Ximena's newset Morrigan and Edric pic. Morri is apsolutely breathtaking.

[Fallstar]

I think I would like to play as the OGB. I am currently undecided as to whether or not I would have liked to continue in DA:2 as my DA:O and DA:A Warden. On the one hand, I am very attached to my human noble dual weapon wielding warrior, and would love to continue. However, the main issues with this seem to be that by the end of Awakening you are capable of taking a high dragon out in approximately 20-30 seconds... which would introduce some major balance issues into DA:2. Plus starting at level 33 or whatever you reached would just be weird... You have to start at level 1 in a new game. Its like an RPG tradition.

[Brockololly]

blademaster7 wrote...

PS: I wouldn't mind if the OGB has Morrigan's yellow eyes...

YEEESSSSSS!

MKDAWUSS wrote...

 Storywise, you're young and attractive, and I would imagine that the
OGB would be attractive as well, considering it carries the spirit of
the Teviner God of beauty...

Yeah- the OGB should be good looking due to the whole God of Beauty thing. Then again, its not like many video games have major NPCs being horribly ugly too often either.

[Brockololly]

SirLogical wrote...

I think I would like to play as the OGB. I am currently undecided as to whether or not I would have liked to continue in DA:2 as my DA:O and DA:A Warden. On the one hand, I am very attached to my human noble dual weapon wielding warrior, and would love to continue. However, the main issues with this seem to be that by the end of Awakening you are capable of taking a high dragon out in approximately 20-30 seconds... which would introduce some major balance issues into DA:2. Plus starting at level 33 or whatever you reached would just be weird... You have to start at level 1 in a new game. Its like an RPG tradition.

No thanks on playing as the OGB. I wouldn't totally rule out playing it if thats the route they went, but at least superficially that seems way too similar to Baldur's Gate. And not to mention I don't really want to play as the OGB with Morrigan being the mother....thats just wierd. And they'd have to jump ahead at least 15-20 years to play as the Old God, unless they have you playing as a kid, which I doubt they'd do in a mature rated game.

As for the leveling issue- I 'd wager they'll be tweaking all of the classes and abilities and everything anyway. Storywise they can always come up with some reason to set you back to level 1 and if they retool the combat and abilities, it would make sense to start you back to level 1 anyway. Or of course they'll just have us be a new PC and be level 1....

Modifié par Brockololly, 03 juillet 2010 - 03:15 .

[Terra_Ex]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

Just checking in fellas. Been away for awhile.

Still playing Oblivion and getting way too sidetracked in the nearly endless dungeons and tombs; but am enjoying
it to no end...oh and I completed "Overlord" and found it way too short, but did happen to run into the Hero of River Dane again...well you know what I mean.

Still have yet to play Overlord, though I did like Kasumi's mission and would like to see more missions of that style in ME3. That reminds me Barbarossa, if you've never played it you should pick up Deus Ex (the original one) for PC. If you enjoy shooters, Fallout 3 & ME2 I'm pretty certain you'll enjoy that.

Brockololly wrote...

This is my exact thinking whenever someone brings up jumping way ahead in time. Why would BioWare do that when we've only just started exploring the world of DA? Origins really only gave us a rough overview of Thedas and even then, just really Ferelden's view of things. If the lore and main events of DA were already well established  like is the case for alot of D&D or Star Wars, then jumping around in the timeline makes sense to make room for new stories. Yet at this point everything is still a new story with DA.

What I'd really prefer would be that maybe they the Warden stick around for another game and some expansions then skip ahead some more time once the Warden has some closure. I just worry they'll do something crazy like jump around thinking its all clever. Or they'll go the Fable route where the time jumps ahead game to game so that a bunch has changed and you're playing as the kid of the original character or something.

I've said it before but I'll say it again- my ideal DA2 would start with new "Origin stories" that would be based on your ending to Origins/Awakening. Have maybe 6 or so- basically one for each LI then one for a new character.Then just have them all boil down to one common point  like Ostagar in Origins and go from there. Really the only major
decisions as I see them from Origins are the ruler of Ferelden and the DR. Everything else can be glossed over, especially if its set in Orlais or some other place.

Swoo's highly enjoyable rant and adneate's Wolf Age comments pretty much cover the case for not making huge jumps in the timeline. I'm not so concerned about that as I am the possibility of them ditching the majority of the existing cast. iirc Gaider said that at some point it may be feasible for DA to move out of the Dragon Age (can't remember his exact wording, you're the quotes guy Brock) but it was seemed to imply that it wasn't happening anytime soon.

Molyneux pretty much epitomises trying to do something clever and falling short with each subsequent release. No doubt Fable 3's use of the new motion controls is set to take the world by storm in his eyes. It's a shame as he actually has some good ideas but they don't seem to come to fruition of late (not since the days of Syndicate & Populous 2 imo.)

I'd have to say no to more origins though, while I can see your point for simplifying and acknowledging past decisions it's really not necessary since they can just pull the relevant data from plot flags, as you say though if we move out of Ferelden there's not a whole lot of relevant stuff that needs to be carried forward. My ideal would obviously be a straight import into DA2 (with the proviso that DA2 actually reads the correct flags.)

On a side note, have Bioware ever actually allowed you to continue a romance or have significantly changed dialogue in a full fledged sequel, to my knowledge they have not - it was neatly sidestepped in ME2 via a pseudo acknowledgement but I'm assuming they're planning to resolve them in ME3. It would be interesting to see how it was implemented if we retain our current warden, would they choose to retain some of the current LI companions or ditch them all in favour of new candidates...

Brockololly wrote...

Coupleother random thoughts:

Thoughts on the Leliana DLC? Who plans on getting it? I'm kind of torn, I'll likely wait a bit to see what other think of it first. I'm mainly disappointed that patch 1.04 won't be ready before the DLC comes out which means I'd have to put 1.03 back on my PC. And that would equal crashes galore in Origins. I'll probably get it Tuesday though anyway- I really want to see some of the lore tidbits they've supposedly got in it.

After the last two offerings, I'll hold off until we can verify it actually is an improvement on on the norm - I am definitely more interested in it than Feastday & DC though. If they are actually following through on what they hinted at (introducing new characters via DLC that you'll meet in a later game) that could be interesting and a shrewd way to retain interest in the franchise in the interim period. I too share your disappointment that a new patch won't accompany the dlc, and I'll note that the wait for a patch to address the issues that 1.03 introduced has been rather ridiculous imo.

Master Shiori wrote...

Ximena's newset Morrigan and Edric pic. Morri is absolutely breathtaking.

*cries* And I thought the pic of Morri decimating that troll was awesome, but this is amazing Unfortunately looking at it does cause me to start dreaming up ideal scenarios for DA2 that will never be met, so I shan't bask in the pic's awesomeness for too long.

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 03 juillet 2010 - 03:51 .

[MKDAWUSS]

Brockololly wrote...

SirLogical wrote...

I think I would like to play as the OGB. I am currently undecided as to whether or not I would have liked to continue in DA:2 as my DA:O and DA:A Warden. On the one hand, I am very attached to my human noble dual weapon wielding warrior, and would love to continue. However, the main issues with this seem to be that by the end of Awakening you are capable of taking a high dragon out in approximately 20-30 seconds... which would introduce some major balance issues into DA:2. Plus starting at level 33 or whatever you reached would just be weird... You have to start at level 1 in a new game. Its like an RPG tradition.

No thanks on playing as the OGB. I wouldn't totally rule out playing it if thats the route they went, but at least superficially that seems way too similar to Baldur's Gate. And not to mention I don't really want to play as the OGB with Morrigan being the mother....thats just wierd. And they'd have to jump ahead at least 15-20 years to play as the Old God, unless they have you playing as a kid, which I doubt they'd do in a mature rated game.

As for the leveling issue- I 'd wager they'll be tweaking all of the classes and abilities and everything anyway. Storywise they can always come up with some reason to set you back to level 1 and if they retool the combat and abilities, it would make sense to start you back to level 1 anyway. Or of course they'll just have us be a new PC and be level 1....

Gameplay mechanics don't dictate story. I would be curious though if they could somehow manage to get our Wardens to level 100...

[Barbarossa2010]

NO on playing the OGB. For a Morrigan romancing Warden from DA:O that would be just...weird. You're relationship with Morrigan, transitioning from lover to birthchild, would seem just a little too...Freudian, for me. Sort of eeecks me out to think of it.

YES to "Leliana's Song." That is the sort of DLC I was expecting from this franchise. I am actually excited about it.

See I'm not completely MYOPIC!

Also the more I read the boards and developer comments and observe the expectation management commentaries of certain individuals, the more I am conviced we are going to see a direct sequel with DA2. I am not a wishful thinker at all, I'm a hopeful pessimist (leaning hard on the pessimist part of that) through and through. I believe this will happen because it's purely logical within the Dragon Age setting and Origins Theme.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 03 juillet 2010 - 04:02 .

[Barbarossa2010]

Terra_Ex wrote...

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

Just checking in fellas. Been away for awhile.

Still playing Oblivion and getting way too sidetracked in the nearly endless dungeons and tombs; but am enjoying
it to no end...oh and I completed "Overlord" and found it way too short, but did happen to run into the Hero of River Dane again...well you know what I mean.

Still have yet to play Overlord, though I did like Kasumi's mission and would like to see more missions of that style in ME3. That reminds me Barbarossa, if you've never played it you should pick up Deus Ex (the original one) for PC. If you enjoy shooters, Fallout 3 & ME2 I'm pretty certain you'll enjoy that.

Hey Terra, was hoping you would come out of the woodwork.  I see you haven't been on much either.  Deus Ex does sound interesting from what you and others have said and it will probably go on the list.  Remember, Once I complete Oblivion, I have to get through Fallout 3. 

I've stopped shutting down Oblivion Gates, (mainly because I see very little need for it) and have gone back to the main questline to get it done.  BTW, "open world" does have it's limitations, since I decided on a number of occassions to take off in an "as the crow flies" direction and found many areas where I'm told (in open and not plot significant terrain) in text "you can't go here" and hit an invisible wall.  I'm showing 48 hours in game time at present and am ready to pretty much get it done.  I really do love the graphics and many of the gameplay aspects  like riding a horse (got a black horse in that eastern city, so I'm moving around like lightning now).  Do not like the combat system or combat gameplay very much, and comparing it to DA, DA is far superior in my view.  I find myself 6 steps past my foe sometimes after a simple sword swing.  Very sluggish.  The higher I level, the more exacting I want my character's movements.  The only thing I get in Oblivion for levelling (no magic for me remember) is pretty much single swing kills (which is good), but the sluggish forward and lateral movment is not endearing (probably something I'm over-sensitive too coming from a sole shooter background).

I guess the bottom line is that the story and dialogue are just not that interesting measuring it to the DA yardstick.  I'm pretty much playing it to have some common context with you all and it is a good game to exercise my fledgling RPG muscles.

[MKDAWUSS]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

NO on playing the OGB. For a Morrigan romancing Warden from DA:O that would be just...weird. You're relationship with Morrigan, transitioning from lover to birthchild, would seem just a little too...Freudian, for me. Sort of eeecks me out to think of it.

I can agree that playing as the OGB now would be a bad idea, as it would feel awkward at this point in the story. It's way too soon. I think it wouldn't be such a bad idea once the Warden's story is all wrapped up. I think that playing the OGB would be kind of fun, especially if the OGB could turn into an Archdragon (I assume that's what we can call an Archdemon minus the Darkspawn taint). Could you imagine how much fun that would be?

Also the more I read the boards and developer comments and observe the expectation management commentaries of certain individuals, the more I am conviced we are going to see a direct sequel with DA2. I am not a wishful thinker at all, I'm a hopeful pessimist (leaning hard on the pessimist part of that) through and through. I believe this will happen because it's purely logical within the Dragon Age setting and Origins Theme.

It's a possibilty, but I also wonder where additional expansion packs and canon-related DLC fit into all this.

[Master Shiori]

I remember Gaider saying they wouldn't mind having a romance carry over into future titles, provided it fits the story. However, they would never make an expansion or sequal solely to continue a romance.



On the subject of how Morrigan's romance could be handled, I believe they'll go down the ME2 route. Morrigan never expects to see the Warden again. She has years to come to terms with her feelings and put the relationship behind her. Having the Warden suddenly walk back into her life would make her weary. It he here because he couldn't forget her and wants to continue their relationship? Is he bitter over her elaving him? Is he going to try and stop her plan?

All these questions would make Morrigan suspicious and distrustful. I believe her initial reaction would be similar to when we first met her in the Wilds.



It would take time and effort for the Warden to show he still cares for her and to make Morrigan come to terms with her own feelings.

Not to mention such a reunion would work for any character since it allows us to determine how we'll deal with Morrigan.





On the subject of DA sequal, I too believe it will continue directly on DA:O. The information that some of the npcs from Leliana's Song will feature in the next DA title pretty much confirms this.



We also know the story won't feature darkspawn again and will most likely be set outside Ferelden (my money is on Orlais). Such changes would make it easier to continue playing as the Warden since they make most of the choices from Origins redundant. My greatest hope is to see Morrigan again.



On the subject of Gaider's expectation management, I wouldn't put too much stock in what he says.

For one, he isn't allowed to give us any relevant information anyway and will always answer with "maybe, maybe not".

Second, it doesn't take a genious to see what elements of Origins the fans loved the most. Also, see how many people love their Warden and his companions. These things are what made DA:O sell in over 3.2 million copies and it's these elements that your average fan will expect to see in the sequal.

If it isn't broken why fix it? The surest way for Bioware to make sure DA2 meets with same success is to continue building on what you already have, not start with a clean slate.



Last, as I said before, is that Gaider has been known to crush expectations even when it was obvious fans were right, all to keep them guessing.



He did it when Leliana was first announced as a companion and fans started to say how she was going to be a romance interest.

Gaider replied that Bioware never annouced her being romancable and there is no rule that says she has to be a romance interest.

We all know how that turned out.

[Ash Wind]

I didn’t care for the Awakening epilogue slide basically forcing my Wardens into a search for the Dark-Haired sorceress. At the end of Origins, I’ve rarely vowed to find her.



I would think it would be cool if rather than stalking her… your paths cross in the course of the next adventure.



BOG has the soul of an Old God… and the imprisoned Old Gods sing out to the DS, causing them to search for them. It seems like, if not the primary storyline, there could be some DS/BOG plot complications.



Might be nice if she even sought out your help instead of the I-love-you-so-I- am-going-to-impose-myself-into-your-life-whether-you-like-it-or-not route.

[Giggles_Manically]

Dont flame me but I has a question:

Why do so many people believe that we can play the OGB if there are three seperate endings that do not have it. Since the Warden, Alistair, or Loghain's soul goes poof with the OG dosent that moot the ability to have it in DA2? Unless Bioware throws some phleutobium on it I guess, but the mere fact that 75% of endings have no OGB make it unlikly it will have a minor impact, or not be included.



While I have only done it twice, my last CE told morrigan off (wow can you be harsh in that scene) I would hate for the US endings to be so devaluated to fit this. Just my two cents.

[Lord Gremlin]

Giggles_Manically, it's not uncommon thing when a game has multiple endings, yet sequel takes only one of them as a "canon".

[Giggles_Manically]

It still seems weak to do this though, although If it is canon than whateves DA is good enough for me to take a gander at the sequel.

[Brockololly]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Dont flame me but I has a question:
Why do so many people believe that we can play the OGB if there are three seperate endings that do not have it. Since the Warden, Alistair, or Loghain's soul goes poof with the OG dosent that moot the ability to have it in DA2? Unless Bioware throws some phleutobium on it I guess, but the mere fact that 75% of endings have no OGB make it unlikly it will have a minor impact, or not be included.

While I have only done it twice, my last CE told morrigan off (wow can you be harsh in that scene) I would hate for the US endings to be so devaluated to fit this. Just my two cents.

Its just my impression of things that the OGB and DR are the endings with the most to build off of story wise going forward. Given that BioWare hasn't stated how they'll be handling continuity, the US ending is like if your Shep dies at the end of ME2- there is no place else to go since the PC is dead.

No doubt they'd have a new PC option even if they bring the Warden back for DA2 but the DR is like the ultimate cause and effect type choice that can have ramifications in the next game. And no doubt BioWare has the figures on how many people have chosen what ending so they have an idea which endings are the most popular.

And if Awakening is any indication of how things might work going forward, they let you magically resurrect your US Warden if you so choose. Is that a step towards canonizing the DR? Maybe, maybe not, but the fact of the matter is that the US endings have already been degraded by Awakening.

[Ash Wind]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Dont flame me but I has a question:
Why do so many people believe that we can play the OGB if there are three seperate endings that do not have it. Since the Warden, Alistair, or Loghain's soul goes poof with the OG dosent that moot the ability to have it in DA2? Unless Bioware throws some phleutobium on it I guess, but the mere fact that 75% of endings have no OGB make it unlikly it will have a minor impact, or not be included.

While I have only done it twice, my last CE told morrigan off (wow can you be harsh in that scene) I would hate for the US endings to be so devaluated to fit this. Just my two cents.

May you burn in the flames of myopia

lol j/k I don't know, I have no interest in playing the Baby OG. I think it would be a weird direction to go... think I would have to skip that episode.

Can they make it cannon? I guess they can do whatever they want, but it would take away from the Ultimate Sacrifice ending if you sacrifice yourself, and yet Morrigan still walks away impregnated with a child bourn with the soul of an OG.

[Master Shiori]

I think it comes down to which ending gives you better material for future stories.



US, while nice in the context of Origins itself, is pretty much a dead end for the Warden. As such it's unlikely to be acknowledged unless Bioware has no intention of letting us play with our Warden from Origins again. That doesn't appear to be the case.



DR gives you great material for future stories and we already know Morrigan is likely to come back at some point.



Also, keep in mind that Bioware never claimed they'll respect our choices from Origins or even continue the story in the sequal. While I find it strange they'd throw away the characters that people obviously love so much after a single game, they could go in any direction at this point; cannonize the events in Origins, let us import our choices or simply start with a new story that is unrelated to what went before.

[Giggles_Manically]

If DA2 is like ME2 in regards of continuation. Then no way in hell will I buy it. The devs say continuation and different games? Yah different in emails you get...

[Master Shiori]

If DA2 does continue the Warden's story (and that's a big if at this point) then I would expect them to only acknowledge the truly important choices like DR and who is king/queen. Everything else will probably be reduced to codex entries to keep things simple.

[Giggles_Manically]

Or just never referenced if they move it to another place or time. Ah well I doubt a morrigan reunion would be pretty anyway(not to insult Xinema's excellent work) but I really didnt miss her at all in the end. Morrigan and Alistair both having these huge things they dont tell you about annoys me to no end. Not to deride her amazing writing and acting, but I am sadly with old Alistair on this one. Kicking her out of my CE party after Caledrius felt good.

[Master Shiori]

Fernando Melo said we'll see her again at some point, which makes me wonder how they'll handle the whole DR thing. Logical case would be to either canonize it or come up with a alternative way of getting the OGB.



I love everything about Morri. Once I have her in my group she never leaves. I take her everywhere alongside Leliana and Zevran and they're a hell of a team if properly specced and set up with right tactics. As a character I love her backstory, personality, dark humour and looks.



Alistair is the character I'm most conflicted over. On one hand he's a great friend and a strong moral compass of the group, even if naive at times. On other hand his inability to coupe with Duncan's death, his humour and his behaviour at Landsmeet (turning his back on things he claims matter to him) really put me off.

I tend to view him as a naive and childish little brother who needs me to guide him along, but he generally has a happy end in my games by ruling Ferelden alongside Anora. Unless I feel like getting the throne myself. Then it's off to the chopping block for poor Ali.

[Giggles_Manically]

I Keep Shale in my party at all times since she dosent die ever. Leliana is always there since a ranger with a greater grizzly is amazing. My Warriors/Rouges tag Wynne on since I like mages as more buffing and healer roles. If I am a mage then Sten or Zevran come along.



Morrigan just clashes with my PC's so much. My mages cant stand the whole Cirle's for the weak spiel, she reminds my CE of most humans which is bad. My Dalish get along with her pretty well though.

[Swoo]

Ash Wind wrote...
Can they make it cannon? I guess they can do whatever they want, but it would take away from the Ultimate Sacrifice ending if you sacrifice yourself, and yet Morrigan still walks away impregnated with a child bourn with the soul of an OG.

Sure they can, they have much smarter writers than me working for them and even I can see the loophole of the 'You just recieved the best option, not the only option.' I guess it could come down to semantics, but if the Warden refuses, dies, and an OGB is still born somehow I don't think that lessens the impact of their ending whatsoever. You didn't totally close down the door on Morrigan or Flemeth or anyone elses plans by refusing the DR, you just refused the DR itself. If they found another way to get what they want that didn't neccisarily have to include you in the option, well, that's life. One answer hardly ever covers all the bases.


I guess the bottom line is that the story and dialogue are just not that
interesting measuring it to the DA yardstick.  I'm pretty much playing
it to have some common context with you all and it is a good game to
exercise my fledgling RPG muscles.

I've been replaying Baldurs Gate II and if you have a RPG list, that seriously needs to go to the top. Having a blast with it, and I forgot how much you have to think tactically if you ramp the difficulty up past cupcake mode. Dropping fireballs past the enemies so they get caught in the blastwave, or working in great spell combos with multiple casters using Sequencer (which lets you cast two spells at once) is a trip, and hell, even having to set-up a rogue backstab instead of just run behind is pretty fun. And the story is awesome to boot.

NO on playing the OGB

I think the biggest resistence to the OGB right now is that it won't feel right to a mgood sized chunk of the playerbase with how open-ended and unfinished 'what came before' has been handled. A solid 'end' to the WardenxMorrigan story and the OGB can be taken in a better light and probably be looked forward too, as it stands now the idea just is totally unappealing .

My biggest thing is no matter how it shakes out, the OGB seems like (s)he would do so much better as a major NPC you could interact with instead of your games avatar. Bhaalspawn Saga comparisons aside, being the OGB pretty much paints you into a rigid corner politically and theologically with very little wiggle-room that would have to feel awkward to say the least.

On the subject of DA sequal, I too believe it will continue directly on
DA:O

I could be totally wrong about this, or plans may have changed, but they really seem to be slightly tipping their hand that this is the case. You don't keep current Origin/Awakening character's histories close to the vest unless you plan to reveal them later on, you don't talk about introducing future...I dunno, persons of interest?....in DLC that takes place a few years before Origins, and so on and so forth unless the gameplan isn't looking as far ahead as they want to drop from time to time to keep you guessing.

On the subject of Gaider's expectation management, I wouldn't put too
much stock in what he says.

"Keep your Baldurs Gate II saves, your adventure will continue in Neverwinter Nights!". Makes me laugh when I see that ingame during BG2's loading, or going back and watching the "Shep's Dead" leadup to ME2. I trust nothing until it's in my hands.

I didn’t care for the Awakening epilogue slide basically forcing my
Wardens into a search for the Dark-Haired sorceress. At the end of
Origins, I’ve rarely vowed to find her.

Awakening ended basically in such a way to get everyone onto the same point. Seems to hint towards continuation. If the game read you were in love with Morrigan, it makes more sense to head off to look for her instead of 'The Warden said F--k this noise and went to party in the Free Marshes' or whatnot.

Alistair is the character I'm most conflicted over.

They'd never do it, but I'd really like to see drunken, broken Alistair. It would be a great character arc to see him find his redemption plus have a logical reason to be a party companion in DA2.

[MKDAWUSS]

Morrigan winds up being in my party all the time - when those freeze spells gets maxed out, she's deadly. There are other benefits as well - she comes in right about the time I'm ready for a female character in the pack. While I don't necessarily care for her default outfit, it's fitting for the environment she was in (the boonies with a few extra spooks). Besides, it gets replaced with Wade's Superior Dragonbone Plate - it matches her makeup and there is something about a woman in armor....



I also like the character development she goes through as the game goes on. The Origins ending may be a heartbreaker, but it's one nice ride there.

[Giggles_Manically]

I dont know how people can think Morrigan truly loves the Warden. Its not over the DR or concealing how a warden kills the Archdemon no. Its not telling him what is really going on with the OGB, since it is obvious that there is more than one layer to this cake. If you wont tell someone you supposedly love the truth, then to me its not love.