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#4051
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The trailer will feature the Warden. He single-handedly takes two high dragons, but then he gets killed by a giant rock.



:D

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Nah, more like he single handedly kills them both only to have the last one fall on top of him with a resounding *SQUISH*.



Then the screen goes red with "YOUR JOURNEY HAS ENDED" rolling across.

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DRAGON AGE 2 CAN I GET A HELL YEAH

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yaaaaaaaaaay



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http://gameinformer....0_Revealed.aspx



New 'champion' guys.........

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http://kotaku.com/55...an-all new-game

http://gameinformer....0_Revealed.aspx


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Apparently its pulling a NWN- no Warden, brand new story. WTF

Hear that BioWare? Its my excitement and enthusiasm drifting away.....*sigh*

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Kotaku
[...] stars a new hero and will take you to different parts of the world, unseen in the first game. [...]


New hero, different parts of Thedas ... nice .. :).

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Seriously? It looks like we're still doing the ol' darkspawn tango but they can't bring back the Warden? Dammit man, I thought this was the spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate not Conan the Barbarian. And I seriously hope they don't go lazy and just call it Dragon Age 2....

Hell, I knew disappointment would be coming today. I'll give them a chance to convince me on this. But if we don't get decent closure somehow, someway with the Warden and Morrigan, I'll give a hearty ************** to BioWare. :sick:

I'm trying REAL hard not to nerd rage but it seems I'll be putting a lot more hope in DLC now to give some semblence of closure to our damn Warden.

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Closure ... sometimes it is much more interesting to be able to speculate for me ... so personally I would hope for a non-warden and non-morrigan (bar cameos) story. For me there is enough closure and enough grounds to speculate myself ... far better. :)



There is so much of Thedas to explore and so many stories to tell. So having more darkspawn aka the "main foe" would be a bit disappointing"



Beside they haven't announced anything publicly ... so it is it is even less the speculation

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I'm not exactly a happy panda after the reveal. I am... torn in between? XD I do not know. Haha. But oh well, we'll see after they reveal more information. *releases the frustration in art*

EDIT: I'm now staring at the cover, probably reading in too much in the illustration.

Modifié par ximena, 08 juillet 2010 - 12:54 .


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I won't mind a new PC pending the timelapse and whether or not the Origins Warden's storyline is finished.





If there is a significant timelapse, could it be possible that the PC of DA2 happens to be, well, the OGB? I know we were talking about how awkward that would be at this point in the storyline, but if there's to be a new PC, the OGB could be one strong candidate. Also, looking at the cover in detail (and I'm probably reading too much into box/concept/cover art as well [it's not an in game render, but it's all we have ATM]), there is something about that individual's right hand...

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Yeah. And I also observe how his teeth look canine to a degree. >_> I was trying to stare at his eyes to get a better look on its color. *facepalm* There's a chance either of the two portrayed in the cover is the OGB.



And oh look~ DA2 has a forum now.

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I must admit that I had my doubts as to whether or not we'll see the Warden again.

Now the real question is who the heck is that woman with white hair and dragon horns in the cover?

Here are my thoughts:

1) Morrigan - after several decades have passed between DA:O and DA2 and she's grown old

2) Old God child - unlikely, unless even more time has passed and the child isn now an old woman

3) Flemeth - possessed the Gold Child and is now wrecking havoc


The biggest disappointment for me are the darkspawn. I mean seriously, we had both Origins and Awakening deals with them and now DA2?
Are they honestly telling me that there's no other protagonist that you can base DA around?

And if the darkspawn are coming back then why on earth can't we play as our DA:O Warden?!
The only reason I can think of is that Bioware moved the time 30 years forward so that our Warden is dead and they can simply ignore all that went before. Most likely we won't even see any of our old companions.

Part of me was prepared for such an outcome, but I was truly hoping that Bioware would prove once again why they're masters of making great RPG games and give us continuation like we had in BG series.
Sadly, it seems they preffer the easy way out and will just start with a clean slate.

On one hand I undestand it's a lot easier on the writers to come up with new stories that aren't bound by continuity.
On the other I consider throwing away the companions, plot points and Warden from Origins so soon to be a waste.

I hope the information that is bound to be released over the following months will make most of my fears go away.
I still hope to see Morri again...

Modifié par Master Shiori, 08 juillet 2010 - 01:22 .


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OK, I tried running some comparison between the mystrerious woman on the cover and the Bioware's official art of Morrigan.



While I can't be 100% certain, I think there's quite a bit of resemblance between them. For one they seem to have the same nose, lip color, eyebrows and facial structure.

More so, the costume on that woman seem to have similar details like Morrigan's robes from DA:O.



I guess it could be possible, like Ximena said, that the guy in the picture is the son of Morrigan and the Warden, while the woman is Morrigan herself.



If that is true then she could be our mentor and an important npc or even a companion. My guess is that she would be around the same age as Wynne as far as looks go.




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http://dragonage.bioware.com/da2/

*goes off to read whatever is there*

That concept art for that mage is really interesting. >_> Hmmm. EDIT: Looks like there is a large chance that the lady mage is the OGB. The site BG shows the art up close and she has Morri's eyes. OR this is Morrigan herself. Old Morrigan. >_>

Here's a screenie. EDIT: Side by side with Morri art.

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Master Shiori wrote...

I must admit that I had my doubts as to whether or not we'll see the Warden again.

Now the real question is who the heck is that woman with white hair and dragon horns in the cover?

Here are my thoughts:

1) Morrigan - after several decades have passed between DA:O and DA2 and she's grown old

2) Old God child - unlikely, unless even more time has passed and the child isn now an old woman

3) Flemeth - possessed the Gold Child and is now wrecking havoc


If she's Flemeth, I'd like to know how she cheated death that time, if you chose to kill her, considering that Morrigan was supposed to be nowhere nearby at the time. I know the codex provides vague language regarding that, so Flemeth is still a possibility, even if she was killed by the Warden.

I'm not as convinced that she's Morrigan, though it's still plausible at this point. She does look radically different if that is in fact her (and it doesn't look to be the product of standard aging, either).

Also, what's with the Archdemon in the background? Is this one of the other 2 Old Gods, or is this supposed to be a reference to the OGB's past if the foreground individual (and presumably the PC) is the OGB.

The biggest disappointment for me are the darkspawn. I mean seriously, we had both Origins and Awakening deals with them and now DA2?
Are they honestly telling me that there's no other protagonist that you can base DA around?

And if the darkspawn are coming back then why on earth can't we play as our DA:O Warden?!
The only reason I can think of is that Bioware moved the time 30 years forward so that our Warden is dead and they can simply ignore all that went before. Most likely we won't even see any of our old companions.


Yeah, I think the darkspawn as the enemy could have died down for a time, and we could have fought a different enemy, taken part in a different war. While darkspawn are needed - if there's no darkspawn, why do they then need Grey Wardens to fight them, and wouldn't they also eventually run out of darkspawn blood for future Joinings? Eventually you'd have an experience similar to the opening of Lost in Dreams, and soon after, the order would vanish entirely.

Part of me was prepared for such an outcome, but I was truly hoping that Bioware would prove once again why they're masters of making great RPG games and give us continuation like we had in BG series.
Sadly, it seems they preffer the easy way out and will just start with a clean slate.

On one hand I undestand it's a lot easier on the writers to come up with new stories that aren't bound by continuity.
On the other I consider throwing away the companions, plot points and Warden from Origins so soon to be a waste.

I hope the information that is bound to be released over the following months will make most of my fears go away.
I still hope to see Morri again...


Yeah, I think it is a bit too soon for the clean slate, especially with the great character development that Origins provided. The only positive I could see from such would be the fact that the writers don't need to account for multiple storylines, and the time advancement allows for some of that to occur and progress into a new state of events.

I could say that now we get to fill in the blanks on our Warden's endings, but that would probably to apply to every ending BUT the Morrigan one...

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Master Shiori wrote...

OK, I tried running some comparison between the mystrerious woman on the cover and the Bioware's official art of Morrigan.

While I can't be 100% certain, I think there's quite a bit of resemblance between them. For one they seem to have the same nose, lip color, eyebrows and facial structure.
More so, the costume on that woman seem to have similar details like Morrigan's robes from DA:O.

I guess it could be possible, like Ximena said, that the guy in the picture is the son of Morrigan and the Warden, while the woman is Morrigan herself.

If that is true then she could be our mentor and an important npc or even a companion. My guess is that she would be around the same age as Wynne as far as looks go.


If Morrigan's going to be a mentor companion or anything of that sort, she's probably going to be more like Flemeth than Wynne IMO.

Now if you really wanna' grasp at straws, is it just me, or does that guy look like he could belong in the Cousland family? I know, grasping at straws, and signs I've stared at this pic for too long in the attempts of finding something special.......

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Honestly, if we're not playing as the Warden then I don't give a **** what happens to Morrigan.



Chances are, you are going to be playing that new hero guy who meets a new mysterious girl and 60 hours into the game she's gonna present you a new dark ritual and give you a new kick in the balls.



And 8 months later they're gonna give us DA3 with all the steps repeated...


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MKDAWUSS wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

OK, I tried running some comparison between the mystrerious woman on the cover and the Bioware's official art of Morrigan.

While I can't be 100% certain, I think there's quite a bit of resemblance between them. For one they seem to have the same nose, lip color, eyebrows and facial structure.
More so, the costume on that woman seem to have similar details like Morrigan's robes from DA:O.

I guess it could be possible, like Ximena said, that the guy in the picture is the son of Morrigan and the Warden, while the woman is Morrigan herself.

If that is true then she could be our mentor and an important npc or even a companion. My guess is that she would be around the same age as Wynne as far as looks go.


If Morrigan's going to be a mentor companion or anything of that sort, she's probably going to be more like Flemeth than Wynne IMO.

Now if you really wanna' grasp at straws, is it just me, or does that guy look like he could belong in the Cousland family? I know, grasping at straws, and signs I've stared at this pic for too long in the attempts of finding something special.......


I meant she'd be as old as Wynne was in Origins, not that she'd have the same personality.

As for the guy's looks; well, to me he seems like a more savage version of Ximena's Edric Cousland. :devil:

P.S. Ximena, if you're reading this, be prepared to sue Bioware. ;)

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Master Shiori wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

OK, I tried running some comparison between the mystrerious woman on the cover and the Bioware's official art of Morrigan.

While I can't be 100% certain, I think there's quite a bit of resemblance between them. For one they seem to have the same nose, lip color, eyebrows and facial structure.
More so, the costume on that woman seem to have similar details like Morrigan's robes from DA:O.

I guess it could be possible, like Ximena said, that the guy in the picture is the son of Morrigan and the Warden, while the woman is Morrigan herself.

If that is true then she could be our mentor and an important npc or even a companion. My guess is that she would be around the same age as Wynne as far as looks go.


If Morrigan's going to be a mentor companion or anything of that sort, she's probably going to be more like Flemeth than Wynne IMO.

Now if you really wanna' grasp at straws, is it just me, or does that guy look like he could belong in the Cousland family? I know, grasping at straws, and signs I've stared at this pic for too long in the attempts of finding something special.......


I meant she'd be as old as Wynne was in Origins, not that she'd have the same personality.

As for the guy's looks; well, to me he seems like a more savage version of Ximena's Edric Cousland. :devil:

P.S. Ximena, if you're reading this, be prepared to sue Bioware. ;)


OH MY GOD YES. I thought I was the only one who noticed he kinda looks like Edric. XD Or I'm just receiving artistic signals from their artists. If that's possible. But damn. He does look like Edric. Especially in the site. Haha. If his look is a preset look for the game itself, I'm naming him Edric for the lulz. But then if the lady mage is the OGB. That would be awkward. XD


EDIT: The really funny thing is.... Edric's hand got cut off in the first version of DW script and I was thinking of giving him some shiny hand replacement thingy.  Though I scrapped it since I think Edric won't have such access to that kind of technology. *eyes that concept art of the guy again*

Modifié par ximena, 08 juillet 2010 - 02:18 .


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For some reason, I double posted. -_-

Modifié par ximena, 08 juillet 2010 - 02:13 .


#4072
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blademaster7 wrote...

Honestly, if we're not playing as the Warden then I don't give a **** what happens to Morrigan.

Chances are, you are going to be playing that new hero guy who meets a new mysterious girl and 60 hours into the game she's gonna present you a new dark ritual and give you a new kick in the balls.

And 8 months later they're gonna give us DA3 with all the steps repeated...


That's a bit extreme, don't you think? :?

I loved my Warden from Origins, but I would never think of asking to see him return over seeing Morrigan again.

As far as playing as the OGB or having the OGB as a companion, we can hope that it would reveal the details of what happened to Morrigan and possibly the Warden himself.

Right now, the only thing that would really tick me off royaly is if Morri doesn't make an appearance in DA2.

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Man, I cannot tell you how much this blows....hard.

If this turns into another one shot NWN heap, I'm through BioWare. Build up all that emotional investment in Origins and just say F it for the sequel. Just like Baldur's Gate, right? I'll give it a chance sure, but my hype levels just took a nosedive. Do we really need another dark and gritty brown and gray colored game? Christ almighty...


And I'll echo Bladesmaster's sentiment- don't care nearly that much about Morrigan if its not with the Warden. If I wanted to have a game spanning ages, I'll read a damn history book.


*Epic Sigh*

It just looks like its all a big Fable crapola- start from humble beginnings become a king! Woo- freaking-hoo.

And of course they'll toss an EVIL morrigan in there because its all about power this time around. WTF man, W T F....

Seriously BioWare..... ugh...This looks like the Marilyn Manson version of Dragon Age... Dragon Age 2: EXTREME! Be sure to throw some heavy metal in the trailer for Gamescom cause thats clearly what we all want....

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Master Shiori wrote...

Right now, the only thing that would really tick me off royaly is if Morri doesn't make an appearance in DA2.


So you wouldn't care if they totally bastardize her character from Origins if she's in DA2? Extreme, sure but I don't get it. This rubbish of a reveal looks more like Darkspawn Chronicles than anything else.

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ximena wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

OK, I tried running some comparison between the mystrerious woman on the cover and the Bioware's official art of Morrigan.

While I can't be 100% certain, I think there's quite a bit of resemblance between them. For one they seem to have the same nose, lip color, eyebrows and facial structure.
More so, the costume on that woman seem to have similar details like Morrigan's robes from DA:O.

I guess it could be possible, like Ximena said, that the guy in the picture is the son of Morrigan and the Warden, while the woman is Morrigan herself.

If that is true then she could be our mentor and an important npc or even a companion. My guess is that she would be around the same age as Wynne as far as looks go.


If Morrigan's going to be a mentor companion or anything of that sort, she's probably going to be more like Flemeth than Wynne IMO.

Now if you really wanna' grasp at straws, is it just me, or does that guy look like he could belong in the Cousland family? I know, grasping at straws, and signs I've stared at this pic for too long in the attempts of finding something special.......


I meant she'd be as old as Wynne was in Origins, not that she'd have the same personality.

As for the guy's looks; well, to me he seems like a more savage version of Ximena's Edric Cousland. :devil:

P.S. Ximena, if you're reading this, be prepared to sue Bioware. ;)


OH MY GOD YES. I thought I was the only one who noticed he kinda looks like Edric. XD Or I'm just receiving artistic signals from their artists. If that's possible. But damn. He does look like Edric. Especially in the site. Haha. If his look is a preset look for the game itself, I'm naming him Edric for the lulz. But then if the lady mage is the OGB. That would be awkward. XD


EDIT: The really funny thing is.... Edric's hand got cut off in the first version of DW script and I was thinking of giving him some shiny hand replacement thingy.  Though I scrapped it since I think Edric won't have such access to that kind of technology. *eyes that concept art of the guy again*


And you're nervous about being the first to bring it up because you don't want to sound biased in favor of your Warden (I felt a little awkward about bringing up the reference because my canon Warden is in fact the male Cousland and didn't want to sound biased about it)...