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[MKDAWUSS]

Brockololly wrote...

The yellow eyes makes me think its Morrigan.

And the concept art person looks to be shapeshifting into a dragon....


You know, I'd be all for this game if they just gave the Warden some mother flucking closure. My hopes now lie with a proper ex-pack it seems....

Would Morrigan and the OGB visiting the Warden's grave (if it's 20-30 years later, he's probably gone to his calling and died in the deep roads) and experiencing an emotional moment provide some sort of closure you're looking for? I think there's still some tiny glimmer of hope that DA2 could provide some level of closure, but that's become a Hail Mary at this point IMO.

[Brockololly]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Would Morrigan and the OGB visiting the Warden's grave (if it's 20-30 years later, he's probably gone to his calling and died in the deep roads) and experiencing an emotional moment provide some sort of closure you're looking for? I think there's still some tiny glimmer of hope that DA2 could provide some level of closure, but that's become a Hail Mary at this point IMO.

You know if we're grasping at straws here, that kind of a reunion would be better than nothing. It would fit with the whole bittersweet, kick in the balls tragedy angle it seems BioWare seems compelled to press on all of us Morrigan romancers.

Sadly , I think its more likely they'll throw just give Morrigan a mustache to twirl as she plots "power!" above all else. *sigh* This whole thing just reeks of being "streamlined," "dumbed down" or catered to the frat boy GoW, Halo , 300 fans.

[ximena]

I have abandoned all hope to be honest. Oh well.

[errant_knight]

Swoo wrote...

Well, I can't say anything about how the game looks because they haven't given us anything but boxart really yet. My gripe currently is that they (at the time of this writing) dropped the ball in my eyes with how they are putting the game forward. This over-reliance on the 300 SPARTA BLOOOOOD just screams 15 year old suburban twitch-kid marketing. It's not enough to make me throw up my arms and say I'll never buy it, but that doesn't mean I have to enjoy being marketed too as 'one of those'.



The line about moving forward through a decades amount of time is troubling. I don't like timejumps, and when you figure that you will have to move forward 2 years per major encounter, or have one massive jump in the timeline, it just makes me wince. No clue how it's going to work out, it's just something I normally do not dig. I think it might be the stink of Fable and the promises of the roll of years and how it played out tarring the entire idea with P.M.'s crappy Brush of Lies.



Destitute Champion to Revered Leader. OK, I take back about the Bhaalspawn ripoff. Spartacus ripoff. Got it.



Dragon Wings show 16 companion silhouetes, makes sense I think Bioware has always at least doubled the companion count in sequels. I know ME2 did a pretty hefty jump. If they showed anything with past product, they can make badass companions so I guess that's my plus to avoid total party-pooper mode.



W/e. Bring on actual news other than a 100 word teaser.

I hadn't noticed the sillouettes as being companion slots. That pretty much guarantees that we won't have the kind of indepth conversation system of Origins, doesn't it? They aren't going to pay each of those actors to record the kind of extensive conversation we had with our Origins companions. They started downplaying that immediately, minimizing voice acting wherever possible in suceeding DLCs and the expansion.

[Master Shiori]

Well, looks like DA team went down the "Commander Shepard" route. I'm not sure how to feel about that particular change. I really enjoyed the wide range of customization options in Origins, so this new turn of events comes as quite a surprise.



As for the game taking place in the Free Marches, it comes as quite a surprise. With all the info we got on Orlais I expected them to place the next DA title in that land or maybe in Tevinter.



Hmm, the only reasoning I can come up with for making us play a fixed character is because he's supposed to be the son of Morrigan and the Warden. This would make it not only possible to voice his dialogue but would also mean that DR is now cannon as we expected.

I wonder if we'll be able to find out more about Morrigan's relationship with the Warden by talking to her ingame?

[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Would Morrigan and the OGB visiting the Warden's grave (if it's 20-30 years later, he's probably gone to his calling and died in the deep roads) and experiencing an emotional moment provide some sort of closure you're looking for? I think there's still some tiny glimmer of hope that DA2 could provide some level of closure, but that's become a Hail Mary at this point IMO.

You know if we're grasping at straws here, that kind of a reunion would be better than nothing. It would fit with the whole bittersweet, kick in the balls tragedy angle it seems BioWare seems compelled to press on all of us Morrigan romancers.

Sadly , I think its more likely they'll throw just give Morrigan a mustache to twirl as she plots "power!" above all else. *sigh* This whole thing just reeks of being "streamlined," "dumbed down" or catered to the frat boy GoW, Halo , 300 fans.

Honestly, we have no information about how gameplay and combat are going to work. What little we know is so vague that it could mean anything, from ME action style combat to improved DA:O combat.

As for Morrigan, the fact that she's back is good news for once. The fact that the main character is set as far as race goes also increases the chances of him being the OGB; which means that DR is cannon as we expected.

What we need to find out now is who the father is (Warden, Alistair or Loghain) and, if the father is our DA:O Warden like I suspect will be the case, what was Morrigan's relationship with him? Were they lovers, friends or did they hate each pthers guts?

I have an feeling Bioware is going to make "Warden was human noble who romanced Morrigan and did the DR with her" storyline cannon for DA:O.

If that's the case (which would be great for us), then we can expect Morrigan to mention the Warden in DA2 and maybe even reveal what happened to him and why she had to leave him.

[adneate]

Master Shiori wrote...

I wonder if we'll be able to find out more about Morrigan's relationship with the Warden by talking to her ingame?

That's a dangerous road since it enforces strict canon, right down to gender making all female wardens non-canonical in addition to making all non-Morrigan romances non-canonical. I just have a feeling they're going to prefer to stay away from stuff like this and the Morrigan romance is just never going to get actual closure. It's a damned if you do and damned if you don't scenario no matter you do the majority will be upset.

[blademaster7]

So this Hawke dude is Urthemiel --the result of the DR?

Why am I not impressed?

[ximena]

Morrigan and Edric aren't so sure about this. XD

[Master Shiori]

adneate wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

I wonder if we'll be able to find out more about Morrigan's relationship with the Warden by talking to her ingame?

That's a dangerous road since it enforces strict canon, right down to gender making all female wardens non-canonical in addition to making all non-Morrigan romances non-canonical. I just have a feeling they're going to prefer to stay away from stuff like this and the Morrigan romance is just never going to get actual closure. It's a damned if you do and damned if you don't scenario no matter you do the majority will be upset.

I'll have to disagree with you there.

For one they'll get hell from certain groups of fans no matter what they do at this point.

Two, what is the point in having Morrigan in the game if you can't find a damn thing about her role in Origins and her relationship with the Warden? People aren't going to simply accept "I don't want to tell you" as an answer.

Also, based on what we know atm, our choices in Origins aren't going to matter past the game they were made. If Bioware's goal is to build up DA as franchise with each game being part of it's history, then you need strict cannon for it to work.
Nothing they do is going to take away people's right to play Origins how  they want. But if events in that game are going to be part of history of Thedas then you need to make it clear as to what happened and how it affected everyone involved.

[MKDAWUSS]

adneate wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

I wonder if we'll be able to find out more about Morrigan's relationship with the Warden by talking to her ingame?

That's a dangerous road since it enforces strict canon, right down to gender making all female wardens non-canonical in addition to making all non-Morrigan romances non-canonical. I just have a feeling they're going to prefer to stay away from stuff like this and the Morrigan romance is just never going to get actual closure. It's a damned if you do and damned if you don't scenario no matter you do the majority will be upset.

Canon makes future installments easier, since there's less to account for.

Now, your choices in DAO seem to have little impact in the long run - even if you sided with the Templars, the Circle Tower eventually gets filled with mages; the Dalish elves move elsewhere / the werewolves eventually become savage again (not to mention that lycanthropy still didn't go away, since all you did was cure the ones in that area that were connected to Zathrian's revenge); Redcliffe recovers no matter what you do; though Orzammar would have to be subject to new events not depicted in the Origins epilogue (subject to the Exalted March, which could happen independent of your involvement with Brother Burkel, perhaps).

The only major difference I would think lie in the endings (OGB can be a pretty big deal, for instance, along with the status of the Warden at the end)

[Brockololly]

ximena wrote...

Morrigan and Edric aren't so sure about this. XD

That made my day!  Thanks Ximena!

[Vicious]

Damn guys, can y'all quit crying and we can get back to the baseless speculation that made this thread awesome?

[MKDAWUSS]

Vicious wrote...

Damn guys, can y'all quit crying and we can get back to the baseless speculation that made this thread awesome?

Did the baseless speculation stop?

Heck, we're speculating on who's who on the known DA2 artwork.

[Master Shiori]

Vicious wrote...

Damn guys, can y'all quit crying and we can get back to the baseless speculation that made this thread awesome?

I'm not crying.. yet.

Morrigan's return was the only condition that for me to stick with DA and, based on that white haired woman on the cover, it seems like that has indeed happened (at least I'll entertain such thought until Bioware says otherwise).

As for the Warden not coming back, that is indeed disappointing. But I'll consider that fixed if they shed some light on what happened to Morrigan between Origins and DA2 and what happened to the Warden himself.

As far as everything else is concerned, I don't have enough information to  be either angry or happy. I'm willing to wait and see what Bioware will reveal in the coming months.

[ximena]

@Brock

My pleasure. XD







And I agree with MK, the baseless speculation didn't really stop... but there is definitely some crying in between. XD



As for the mage, I'm leaning on it being Morri. But then Priestly said that we will be shocked about who it is! post found here

[Master Shiori]

ximena wrote...

@Brock
My pleasure. XD



And I agree with MK, the baseless speculation didn't really stop... but there is definitely some crying in between. XD

As for the mage, I'm leaning on it being Morri. But then Priestly said that we will be shocked about who it is! post found here

I fail to see how we're supposed to be shocked.

She clearly bears a resemblance to Morrigan, which means it's either her or somebody related to her.

Personally, I think Priestly is toying with us, trying to build up excitement until they finally confirm what we already know.

[adneate]

Master Shiori wrote...

I'll have to disagree with you there.

For one they'll get hell from certain groups of fans no matter what they do at this point.

Two, what is the point in having Morrigan in the game if you can't find a damn thing about her role in Origins and her relationship with the Warden? People aren't going to simply accept "I don't want to tell you" as an answer.

Also, based on what we know atm, our choices in Origins aren't going to matter past the game they were made. If Bioware's goal is to build up DA as franchise with each game being part of it's history, then you need strict cannon for it to work.
Nothing they do is going to take away people's right to play Origins how  they want. But if events in that game are going to be part of history of Thedas then you need to make it clear as to what happened and how it affected everyone involved.

My concern with the enforcement of very strict canon is that as much as you say it's not going to stop people from playing Origins however they want to, you have to admit that knowing that only one playstyle is "Correct" would greatly dimish the other outcomes since you know in the end they didn't really happen. I'm not disagreeing with you that a certain degree of canon has to be enforced, but I worry that it will be Fallout level enforcement declaring everything right down to choosing female in the character creator screen non-canonical in the sequel.

[MKDAWUSS]

adneate wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

I'll have to disagree with you there.

For one they'll get hell from certain groups of fans no matter what they do at this point.

Two, what is the point in having Morrigan in the game if you can't find a damn thing about her role in Origins and her relationship with the Warden? People aren't going to simply accept "I don't want to tell you" as an answer.

Also, based on what we know atm, our choices in Origins aren't going to matter past the game they were made. If Bioware's goal is to build up DA as franchise with each game being part of it's history, then you need strict cannon for it to work.
Nothing they do is going to take away people's right to play Origins how  they want. But if events in that game are going to be part of history of Thedas then you need to make it clear as to what happened and how it affected everyone involved.

My concern with the enforcement of very strict canon is that as much as you say it's not going to stop people from playing Origins however they want to, you have to admit that knowing that only one playstyle is "Correct" would greatly dimish the other outcomes since you know in the end they didn't really happen. I'm not disagreeing with you that a certain degree of canon has to be enforced, but I worry that it will be Fallout level enforcement declaring everything right down to choosing female in the character creator screen non-canonical in the sequel.

This is what kills Star Wars RPGs BTW.

[adneate]

Well apparently Hawke ain't the Old God Baby so Morrigan isn't his/her mother. So much for that theory huh?

http://social.biowar...ex/3053709&lf=8

[Master Shiori]

adneate wrote...

Well apparently Hawke ain't the Old God Baby so Morrigan isn't his/her mother. So much for that theory huh?

http://social.biowar...ex/3053709&lf=8

Ok, now I'm REALLY confused.

Does that mean the DR never took place?

The white haired woman certainly looks like the older version of Morrigan, so if she isn't his mother what is her interest in Hawke?

I swear this game is already giving me a bloody headache...

[blademaster7]

Wow...

The PC is supposedly a survivor of the blight but NOT the Warden(who makes a perfect candidate for this role) and it's not the OGB either....

We just get a nobody to replace our old PC....

It's just gets better and better.... :innocent:

[adneate]

Maybe we've been thinking of time in the wrong direction we're going forward in time when we should be going backward in time. Prehaps that Morrigany looking shapeshifter is Flemeth of Highever.

[Terra_Ex]

Now now Brock, surely you had to have been prepared for this As I've said before - I'm past caring, certainly retaining the warden would be nice but it's not a prerequisite for at least providing some answers to our questions from the first game. They could still give some measure of closure for fans - the warden could make a cameo, but considering they can barely manage to import the correct flags in an expansion and that not everyone pursued her as a LI I really wouldn't expect too much. If the warden gets no closure there's nothing to be done about it sadly, *maybe* we'll get a snippit in DA2 otherwise it's another dropped ball I guess, certainly not a Bioware first and since she's only one of four optional subplots not entirely unexpected.

adneate wrote...
But when I hear people actually say things like "The Origins companions were crap the ME2 characters were better,"
and they actually use the words character development and complexity to describe why Thane is better than Morrigan I'm just shocked it's like talking to a group of people who think Justin Beiber is better than The Clash. How do you talk to a person with literally no taste and no perspective?

Someone actually said that... with a straight face?

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
The yellow eyes makes me think its Morrigan.

And the concept art person looks to be shapeshifting into a dragon....

You know, I'd be all for this game if they just gave the Warden some mother flucking closure. My hopes now lie with a proper ex-pack it seems....

Would Morrigan and the OGB visiting the Warden's grave (if it's 20-30 years later, he's probably gone to his calling and died in the deep roads) and experiencing an emotional moment provide some sort of closure you're looking for? I think there's still some tiny glimmer of hope that DA2 could provide some level of closure, but that's become a Hail Mary at this point IMO.

You know MKDAWUSS, that actually would serve the purpose quite nicely. The reason most fans get so bent out of shape is because of how badly marred the DR is for romancing wardens leaves you with a wtf look on your face, further exacerbated by his meanderings post-Awakening. As others have pointed out before, it's something we'll all have to actively guard against in the future when/if the cover girl is a romance interest.

Vicious wrote...

Damn guys, can y'all quit crying and we
can get back to the baseless speculation that made this thread
awesome?

lol, the Warden is a codex footnote now Vicious, thus the speculation ends here. Maybe we can start placing bets on which of those silhouettes is the Gaider-trap this time around, assuming DA-style romances aren't deemed too passé for DA2.

This decade stuff does make think they're trying something hugely ambitious again, maybe it'll turn out well... I'll await more info before making any further comments.


Oh yeah, great pic ximena

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 08 juillet 2010 - 06:42 .

[Master Shiori]

adneate wrote...

Maybe we've been thinking of time in the wrong direction we're going forward in time when we should be going backward in time. Prehaps that Morrigany looking shapeshifter is Flemeth of Highever.

My only problem with that idea is this: game info says DA2 will span over a course of 10 years and will change the world. If that is true then such an event would have been recorded by the Chantry historians or at least kept alive as a legend. Which means we would have heard about it somewhere in Origins.