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[MKDAWUSS]

Master Shiori wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

Do we even know what kind of people live inthe Free Marches?

Are talking about italian city states or a small barbarian states like in Conan?

Judging from how Hawke is dressed, with fur and armor more akin to those worn by the darkspawn, I'd guess we're talking about an almost viking like country.

Its a good point- all we really know is that they're city states. As far as what accents they may have, I have no idea. From the art shown thus far, I've gotten a very Frazetta/Conan style vibe so I'm leaning towards the Free Marches being kind of barbaric or Viking like in nature.

The reason such a question popped up in my mind is because I was just talking to Morrigan about the legend of Flemeth and she mentioned how people believe Flemeth raised an army from among the Chasind tribes and invaded Ferelden.

What if Flemeth plans to guide Hawke to become some kind of warlord of the Free Marches, who could then lead his army alongside Flemeth against Orlais?
Kind of like how Andraste and Malferath led their barbarian horde against Tevinter Imperium.

That's pretty much what I'm thinking - I'm seeing Hawke unite the independent states of the Free Marches, essentually ending Free Marches as everyone knows it, and possibly warring against Ferelden. An Origins save import could come handy here, since Hawke would be going against either Anora or Alistair's Ferelden Military.

[adneate]

Well It could not just be Ferelden's Royal army but Orlais's Imperial army as well, particularly if the united Free Marches goes "rogue" from the chantry The Divine in Val Royaux could declare an exalted march on the heretics. Factor in the Tevinter Imperium and the renewed worpship of the Old Gods and you've got the makings of a World War. Then Darkspawn burst out of the ground at Weisshaupt and eradicate the Grey Warden central leadership and the remaining Warden's are too divided by the war to unite or stop fighting each other for fear of winning against the darkspawn only to be wiped out afterwards by their human rivals. Hawke could indeed be the most important man in the world, bringing it the closest it's been to total destruction since the first blight.

[Giggles_Manically]

Negative Point to keeping the anivl: Huge army of Golems inbound!

[Master Shiori]

Here are a few things I'm hoping Flemeth might talk about in DA2:

1) Morrigan (especially what she plans to do with her)

2) Dark Ritual (I wonder if she'll mention it)

3) the legend surounding Flemeth herself (what she is, how she survived being slain by the Warden, etc.)

Also, considering we get specializations in DA2, what do you think Flemeth's would be?
I'm guessing shapeshifter like Morrigan, but could it be something else as well? Flemeth is supposed to know different kind of magic from that taught by the Circle of Magi, so maybe she'll have a unique specialization she can teach to Hawke, provided he's a mage.

Finally, do you think they'll bring back Kate Mulgrew to voice Flemeth again or use a different voice actor, since you might argue that a new body would also give her a new voice.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 10 juillet 2010 - 07:53 .

[Giggles_Manically]

No way K. Mulgrew owns that role and should stay with it.



Maybe Flemeth is part of a larger plan since she, Morrigan, and Gaxkhang all hint at larger events. What scares me is that Hawke, The Warden, and any future NPC might just be pawns in some huge game invovling Demons, The Maker, Spirits, and who knows what else.



Damn the more I think About the more I want DA2!

[Fntsybks]

Master Shiori wrote...

Here are a few things I'm hoping Flemeth might talk about in DA2:

1) Morrigan (especially what she plans to do with her)

2) Dark Ritual (I wonder if she'll mention it)

3) the legend surounding Flemeth herself (what she is, how she survived being slain by the Warden, etc.)

Also, considering we get specializations in DA2, what do you think Flemeth's would be?
I'm guessing shapeshifter like Morrigan, but could it be something else as well? Flemeth is supposed to know different kind of magic from that taught by the Circle of Magi, so maybe she'll have a unique specialization she can teach to Hawke, provided he's a mage.

Finally, do you think they'll bring back Kate Mulgrew to voice Flemeth again or use a different voice actor, since you might argue that a new body would also give her a new voice.

For 1,2, and 3 I will answer hopefully to all :happy: However, with maybe an exception to the the legends surrounding her, if Flemeth has some world-changing plan that depends on secrecy, as has been discussed on this thread, I would doubt that she would share it. Flemeth told our Warden almost nothing, so I wouldn't expect all that much from her now. Just a thought: it would be pretty funny to watch Hawke grasp at straws if she hints about the DR, or how she possesses her daughters.

As for what specialization, shapeshifting is most likely, although some sort of demonic possession is a possibility. In Origins, we were offered the chance to become possessed by Uldred, and since Flemeth is some sort of unique abomination, maybe there is some way to use a demon's power, but not become your typical abomination? Other ideas: a blood magic/necromancy combo - necromancy would explain surviving when the Warden killed her. Pure guesswork for all of those, although they all sound pretty cool.

Finally, I hope that they bring back Kate Mulgrew, she was really good at being "lack of good adjective here."

[Brockololly]

Well, Gaider is answering some questions: http://social.biowar...85117/1#3085276

David Gaider wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
And conceivably the shift to a 3rd person narrative in DA2 doesn't mean that DA 3, 4, 5, or 6 would be locked in to a 3rd person narrative but that you guys will just look at it on a case by case basis depending on what works best for the story you want to tell?

Assuming there are future games, that's exactly correct. There are many different ways to tell a story, and different elements we would want to focus on in each. DAO was about the Grey Warden-- a role that you had to undertake and which, if you'll recall, summoned a similar reaction when it was first mentioned. This story is about a human refugee. Future stories could be about anything at all-- with the one thread between them being the development of Thedas as a world and how your choices impact upon it. That's what we're doing, in a nutshell.

Modifié par Brockololly, 10 juillet 2010 - 08:44 .

[blademaster7]

God NO! Don't let Flemeth talk about the DR and the OGB.

If there is ONE person that is even more enigmatic than Morrigan, that's Flemeth. The very last thing I want right now is more questions that will stir up confusion(yes even more).

Not only that, but it would also be totaly out of character for her to spill her secrets out to someone .... whose name is Hawke.

Don't get me wrong. I'm dying to know what the hell is up with Flemeth and Morrigan. I just want it to be unveiled in in a way that makes sense.

Anyway, the fact that DA2 allows the player to import a save file from DAO makes me believe that the DR and Morrigan/Flemeth/OGB won't be canon but rather something optional.

Their plans may not be central to the plot after all. Or maybe they are, and it would be very interesting to see what they will do when 3 out of 4 endings don't have a god baby.

In the end, what matters to me is what influence can the Warden have on the situation --even if it's just indirectly.

For example, if you killed Flemeth and gave Morrigan the grimoire then she would be in a far better position to confront her. Otherwise, good luck with your mommy issues MO.

PS: I wonder if the romance you had with her enters into the picture.

PSS: Oh yeah, I forgot that the romance flags in the game are ****ed up. Silly me.

Modifié par blademaster7, 10 juillet 2010 - 08:50 .

[Maria13]

adneate wrote...

Well It could not just be Ferelden's Royal army but Orlais's Imperial army as well, particularly if the united Free Marches goes "rogue" from the chantry The Divine in Val Royaux could declare an exalted march on the heretics. Factor in the Tevinter Imperium and the renewed worpship of the Old Gods and you've got the makings of a World War. Then Darkspawn burst out of the ground at Weisshaupt and eradicate the Grey Warden central leadership and the remaining Warden's are too divided by the war to unite or stop fighting each other for fear of winning against the darkspawn only to be wiped out afterwards by their human rivals. Hawke could indeed be the most important man in the world, bringing it the closest it's been to total destruction since the first blight.

I think I <3 you...

[Master Shiori]

blademaster7 wrote...

God NO! Don't let Flemeth talk about the DR and the OGB.

If there is ONE person that is even more enigmatic than Morrigan, that's Flemeth. The very last thing I want right now is more questions that will stir up confusion(yes even more).

Not only that, but it would also be totaly out of character for her to spill her secrets out to someone .... whose name is Hawke.

Don't get me wrong. I'm dying to know what the hell is up with Flemeth and Morrigan. I just want it to be unveiled in in a way that makes sense.

Anyway, the fact that DA2 allows the player to import a save file from DAO makes me believe that the DR and Morrigan/Flemeth/OGB won't be canon but rather something optional.

Their plans may not be central to the plot after all. Or maybe they are, and it would be very interesting to see what they will do when 3 out of 4 endings don't have a god baby.

In the end, what matters to me is what influence can the Warden have on the situation --even if it's just indirectly.

For example, if you killed Flemeth and gave Morrigan the grimoire then she would be in a far better position to confront her. Otherwise, good luck with your mommy issues MO.

PS: I wonder if the romance you had with her enters into the picture.

PSS: Oh yeah, I forgot that the romance flags in the game are ****ed up. Silly me.

Well, asuming she's a companion, she'll have to talk to Hawke about something and he'll be curious about her background and powers. Ofc, she could spin some kind of fancyfull tale just to amuse herself.
She might mention having a daughter and, depending on the information from our saves, reveal she tried to have her killed with the help of her lover/friend.

Now the real question is what happens if they give us the option of bedding Flemeth herself? Guess we can fine out who's better in that department, mother or daughter.

[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...

Well, Gaider is answering some questions: http://social.biowar...85117/1#3085276

David Gaider wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
And conceivably the shift to a 3rd person narrative in DA2 doesn't mean that DA 3, 4, 5, or 6 would be locked in to a 3rd person narrative but that you guys will just look at it on a case by case basis depending on what works best for the story you want to tell?

Assuming there are future games, that's exactly correct. There are many different ways to tell a story, and different elements we would want to focus on in each. DAO was about the Grey Warden-- a role that you had to undertake and which, if you'll recall, summoned a similar reaction when it was first mentioned. This story is about a human refugee. Future stories could be about anything at all-- with the one thread between them being the development of Thedas as a world and how your choices impact upon it. That's what we're doing, in a nutshell.

Interesting.

So now we know that each future DA title will be a stand alone story. Kind of confirms we won't be playing as Hawke past DA2.

[Terra_Ex]

Brockololly wrote...

Well, Gaider is answering some questions: http://social.biowar...85117/1#3085276

David Gaider wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
And conceivably the shift to a 3rd person narrative in DA2 doesn't mean that DA 3, 4, 5, or 6 would be locked in to a 3rd person narrative but that you guys will just look at it on a case by case basis depending on what works best for the story you want to tell?

Assuming there are future games, that's exactly correct. There are many different ways to tell a story, and different elements we would want to focus on in each. DAO was about the Grey Warden-- a role that you had to undertake and which, if you'll recall, summoned a similar reaction when it was first mentioned. This story is about a human refugee. Future stories could be about anything at all-- with the one thread between them being the development of Thedas as a world and how your choices impact upon it. That's what we're doing, in a nutshell.

Bah, Gaider is giving the usual 50/50 answers whilst taunting those of us with the non-closure endings. Shiori summed it up perfectly on page 6. Brock's comment also hits the nail on the head, you survive only to do... well nothing. For non-morri romancers they get their respective endings, we meanwhile get to presumably wander aimlessly for the foreseeable future... or until Morri shows up in the future sans the Warden, cue the "Gaidered" moment. Surely we deserve some kind of masochist acheivement after all this [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie].

[Brockololly]

Yeah, Gaider and Kirby seem to be quite active over in the DA2 forum FWIW.



In spite of Gaider's comments on the Warden, I can't imagine BioWare is so dense that they'd ignore the horrible lack of closure in the Morrigan/Warden romance...right? RIGHT!?

[Giggles_Manically]

No.

[Master Shiori]

I have to say that I do understand Gaider's position though.



Origins offered way to many different endings and choices. Romancing Morrigan and doing the DR are only one of them and not everyone choose to go down this route. If Gaider and Bioware truly decided to give us a reunion like we're asking, then they'd be under obligation to do something similar for everyone else or people will feel shafted.



That's why I wouldn't expect to see a reunion between Warden and Morri again, unless the story is told in such a way that it would make sense for every single DA:O Warden and wouldn't be told just for the sake of reuniting these 2 characters.



Best case scenario:

Your Warden comes back in a future game. You get a new story, new land and completely or mostly new companions. Morrigan will also be there but you need to romance her all over again if you want to. Then you'd get a new ending that would provide closure for both Morrigan and the Warden.



The scenario that is often envisioned in this thread sadly wouldn't work. It would only be possible had there been a predetermined character in DA:O, like there is now in DA2, and if Morrigan was the only romance available to the character. Then you could easily make DA2 a direct sequal to DA:O and keep your Warden and Morri in it.

[Swoo]

Brockololly wrote...

Yeah, Gaider and Kirby seem to be quite active over in the DA2 forum FWIW.

In spite of Gaider's comments on the Warden, I can't imagine BioWare is so dense that they'd ignore the horrible lack of closure in the Morrigan/Warden romance...right? RIGHT!?

I'm still waiting on Dragon Age 2 news that gets me excited for it. I'm kind of in a middle-ground where most of everything I've heard has made me like it less, but I'm waiting for more information to see what it's good points are. I find myself drifting away from the DA2 forums because it's stance is perfectly clear: If you aren't holding to Blind Faith, you are just a stupid consumer and don't know anything.

I'm also waiting to hear what this Feb release is, because it's not DA2. It's a game of some sort, so perhaps the last hurrah of the Warden before they move on to the 'new' story of Thedas? Anyways, keeping the vitriol in check about the Warden's abandonment until I hear that it's well and truly over.

I did see one of the stupidest comments of the week over at the DA2 forums, forget who posted it but it said 'Can't you guys just be happy with the Warden's Happily Ever After endings?!' Um, did anyone get a HEA ending? I thought they all woke up one day and said **** this noise and rode off somewhere unknown, leaving everyone in the lurch currently.

[Terra_Ex]

Brockololly wrote...

Yeah, Gaider and Kirby seem to be quite active over in the DA2 forum FWIW.

In spite of Gaider's comments on the Warden, I can't imagine BioWare is so dense that they'd ignore the horrible lack of closure in the Morrigan/Warden romance...right? RIGHT!?

Oh I quite agree, I'm sure he's twirling his moustache as we speak and devising the most suitable way to give the knife a final twist. On a more serious note, I don't believe the Morri/Warden romance is of much concern to the devs, the DR perhaps, the most you can probably expect now I guess is an ex-pack (best case) or a DLC (take the crumbs that are offered) or walk off into the sunset... and keep walking...

This kind of situation is probably my main reason I hate the NWN style of loosely connected tales, there's too many variables to begin with, the potential to continue or conclude particular subplots is tempered by fan choice and the fact the plug can be pulled on the franchise at any given moment... It's particular aggravating as its the individual characters that draw you in rather than the generic let's save the plot, so when you're that invested in something, you do feel entitled to something when its all over. That you have the fact that Morri is slated to appear again at an undisclosed time will continue to torment her fans till bioware show their hand. Yeah, I have to be honest, despite their simplicity, jrpgs do have the strength of being relatively self contained and you feel satisfied rather than miffed after investing so much time into it. (Plus the cover girl is usually attainable, which is a nice bonus for your efforts).

And yeah, you do have the usual idiocy in the above thread, the ass-kissers are ever-present or the one's who say (of the morri romance) "you were told this would end badly". Yeah, well we're told a lot of things in rpgs, that the antagonist is immortal, that our cause is doomed to failure, doesn't mean we're not gonna try though. I wonder is Hawke's story will have a DR-moment?

[GardenSnake]

Master Shiori wrote...

For all we know she could be Andraste herself. Maybe her power came from deals with demons, rather then the Maker himelf.

But Flemeth always struck me as a master manipulator. She gives advice to Maric, saves Warden and Alistair from the Tower of Ishal, has Morrigan get pregnant with OGB and now seems to have an interest in Hawke, who is supposed to change the world. Sounds to me like she's putting together pieces of a larger picture, except we can't figure out what it is. By itself each piece may seem big or small, but together they could form something truly massive in scope.

All of these pieces are going to culminate in Flemeth's ultimate plan: build a deathstar

[Giggles_Manically]

GardenSnake wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

For all we know she could be Andraste herself. Maybe her power came from deals with demons, rather then the Maker himelf.

But Flemeth always struck me as a master manipulator. She gives advice to Maric, saves Warden and Alistair from the Tower of Ishal, has Morrigan get pregnant with OGB and now seems to have an interest in Hawke, who is supposed to change the world. Sounds to me like she's putting together pieces of a larger picture, except we can't figure out what it is. By itself each piece may seem big or small, but together they could form something truly massive in scope.

All of these pieces are going to culminate in Flemeth's ultimate plan: build a deathstar

I thought it was to open her own line of Korkari brand clothing stores.. Wierd.

[Swoo]

GardenSnake wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

For all we know she could be Andraste herself. Maybe her power came from deals with demons, rather then the Maker himelf.

But Flemeth always struck me as a master manipulator. She gives advice to Maric, saves Warden and Alistair from the Tower of Ishal, has Morrigan get pregnant with OGB and now seems to have an interest in Hawke, who is supposed to change the world. Sounds to me like she's putting together pieces of a larger picture, except we can't figure out what it is. By itself each piece may seem big or small, but together they could form something truly massive in scope.

All of these pieces are going to culminate in Flemeth's ultimate plan: build a deathstar

SHEPARD WAS CORMAC!

[adneate]

Swoo wrote...

I did see one of the stupidest comments of the week over at the DA2 forums, forget who posted it but it said 'Can't you guys just be happy with the Warden's Happily Ever After endings?!' Um, did anyone get a HEA ending? I thought they all woke up one day and said **** this noise and rode off somewhere unknown, leaving everyone in the lurch currently.

I don't know if any of them are "happily ever after", I suppose the Leliana romance slide in Awakening is the most positive since you just sorta abandon the Keep in the night or something and run off with her. I think Alistair's "mistress" ending is alright too I believe Alistair actually abandons the throne and runs off with The Warden or something. The Zevran one is sorta vague either the warden and Zevran engage in a bloody showdown in Antiva or they take over the crows together neither option is perfect really.Everyone else gets the crappy, and then the warden disappeared for no good reason leaving everything and everyone behind but nobody thinks it's the last we heard of him/her.

[Giggles_Manically]

I hope we dont need awakening for import into DA2. I really hope that just DAO is needed.

[Brockololly]

Make of this what you will.....

David Gaider wrote...

thenemesis77 wrote...
Thanks, David, you have never let me down I know. I know you might and can't speak of it this time around, is there any kind of DLC for our current Warnde or was DAA his final hour? I understand if you can't talk about  it. I love your way of telling the story and I have faith, just am a fan boy of my warden and the morrigan story.

If any such project existed, I couldn't talk about it-- and would have to give you an unsatisfying non-answer that would only hurt you.

Why do you make me hurt you? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Brockololly, 10 juillet 2010 - 11:52 .

[adneate]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I hope we dont need awakening for import into DA2. I really hope that just DAO is needed.

Well we all know deep down inside that Awakening has never mattered, it's a one off.

[phaonica]

He also said this...

David Gaider wrote...
The Warden's story is not part of DA2.

Dragon Age is not about the Warden-- it's about Thedas, and the period of time within it called the Dragon Age.

I guess we could drag the Warden into new stories even without a Blight to combat-- I could certainly think of things such a hero could do, even at such a high level-- but I also like the idea of visiting different stories, told through different heroes, rather than revisiting the same well over and over or trying to contrive a way to squeeze the Warden into places he/she doesn't belong.

If you disagree, then I'm sorry to disappoint. I hope you'll find something about DA2 to love, and that you'll take ownership of Hawke the same way you did with your Warden. Just because you liked one of our characters that much, after all, doesn't mean it couldn't ever never ever happen again, does it?

http://social.biowar...17&lf=8#3086205

Modifié par phaonica, 11 juillet 2010 - 12:05 .