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[Herr Uhl]

phaonica wrote...

He also said this...

David Gaider wrote...
The Warden's story is not part of DA2.

Dragon Age is not about the Warden-- it's about Thedas, and the period of time within it called the Dragon Age.

I guess we could drag the Warden into new stories even without a Blight to combat-- I could certainly think of things such a hero could do, even at such a high level-- but I also like the idea of visiting different stories, told through different heroes, rather than revisiting the same well over and over or trying to contrive a way to squeeze the Warden into places he/she doesn't belong.

If you disagree, then I'm sorry to disappoint. I hope you'll find something about DA2 to love, and that you'll take ownership of Hawke the same way you did with your Warden. Just because you liked one of our characters that much, after all, doesn't mean it couldn't ever never ever happen again, does it?

http://social.biowar...17&lf=8#3086205

Is it only me who took this for granted when they were talking about DA being a franchise?

[Giggles_Manically]

I dont care if the Wardens tale is done since a new story, with a new charachter is way better overall. I would hate it if we get no closure but thats what my mind is for.



Although if we get powerpoint slides again I am leaving.

[Axekix]

Master Shiori wrote...

I have to say that I do understand Gaider's position though.

Origins offered way to many different endings and choices. Romancing Morrigan and doing the DR are only one of them and not everyone choose to go down this route. If Gaider and Bioware truly decided to give us a reunion like we're asking, then they'd be under obligation to do something similar for everyone else or people will feel shafted.

That's why I wouldn't expect to see a reunion between Warden and Morri again, unless the story is told in such a way that it would make sense for every single DA:O Warden and wouldn't be told just for the sake of reuniting these 2 characters.

I don't know.  I suspect that the number of people who took the DR significantly outweighs the number of people who opt against it, especially after Awakenings completely ignored the US ending.  Even most of the people in the Alistair fan club seem to send him to Morrigan before the final battle.  Ultimately I think a Morrigan reunion would reach a broader audience than you imply.

Depending on the timeline, a female warden could accompany Alistair/Loghain as they go in search of answers (I imagine both would have several in the back of their minds in the years following DAO, especially Alistair given his own abandonment by his father), and a male warden who didn't romance her could do the same with similar motives.  Obviously the Morri lovers need no explanation.

If DA2 isn't going to bring us any closure, it's something worthy of its own DLC title imo.

Modifié par Axekix, 11 juillet 2010 - 12:13 .

[Brockololly]

Another Gaider quote I'll post here so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle:

http://social.biowar...17&lf=8#3086323

David Gaider wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
Will there be closure for the Warden's tale before DA2 launches or is Awakening the ending of his / her tale, even though the epilogue suggests otherwise?

I can't comment on unannounced projects-- and that's not to imply the existence of anything, just that I can't say one way or the other.

I will only say that some plots remain to be resolved, though they may not be resolved in the manner you'd expect. If you're expecting everything to be wrapped up neatly, however, that may not be in the works. Sometimes heroes really do just walk off into the sunset into unknown adventures. Whether you'll see the Warden again, however, remains to be seen.

Modifié par Brockololly, 11 juillet 2010 - 12:25 .

[adneate]

Excuse me while I rip this post apart.

David Gaider wrote...

Dragon Age is not about the Warden-- it's about Thedas, and the period of time within it called the Dragon Age.

So you envoke Baldur's Gate to get me to buy this game then discard it at the soonest opprotunity since it's all about Thedas. Why don't you just come out and say it, it never was the spritual successor to Baldur's gate you just wanted to shove Neverwinter Nights down everyone's throats again but that franchise isn't worth dogsh*t to anyone so you name dropped a good series instead.

David Gaider wrote...

I guess we could drag the Warden into new stories even without a Blight
to combat-- I could certainly think of things such a hero could do,
even at such a high level-- but I also like the idea of visiting
different stories,

Why does my level  determine what my character can do? Is it impossible to think of a way to reset it? Mass Effect 2 KILLED Shepard to reset the level I'm almost positive you can think of something a bit more subtle than that to explain away why i'm back at level 5.

David Gaider wrote...

I hope you'll find something about DA2 to love, and that you'll take ownership of Hawke the same way you did with your Warden.

I'd take this as an insult to my intelligence if I didn't know any better. Hawke will never be my character since nearly everything about him is defined by you, I have as much ownership over Hawke as I do over Commander Shepard which frankly is very little. I pick lines and hope the inflection is what I want it to be, I don't think that's ownership over a character. But since I can make Hawke look however I want to that must mean I have total ownership right? Last time I checked I wasn't an idiot.

David Gaider wrote...

Just because you liked one of our characters that much, after all,
doesn't mean it couldn't ever never ever happen again, does it?

Why would I want to go out and get invested in new characters when you can't properly end the ones you've already made? Oh wait Neverwinter Nights I keep forgetting, I must be myopic.

[Giggles_Manically]

Adneate um are you okay my friend?

I could get Leliana to sing to you to make you calm down if that helps.



Although why the Warden has to go out and right every wrong I dont get, new tales and heros can work just as well.

[adneate]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Adneate um are you okay my friend?
I could get Leliana to sing to you to make you calm down if that helps.

Although why the Warden has to go out and right every wrong I dont get, new tales and heros can work just as well.

I'm better now just something about that really pissed me off, It's like he thinks he have "MORON" written on our heads in big letters and he can excuse shoddy writing just because "New hero's are interesting too guys".

[phaonica]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Is it only me who took this for granted when they were talking about DA being a franchise?

I kind of feel that way. I understand that they have stories they want to tell, but Origins made the adventure *mine* and not theirs. The story was theirs, but the adventure was mine. It's like they're telling us that was a happy coincidence, but their stories are really the most important thing. Dont' get me wrong, I loved the DAO story. But apparently their intentions were never to design a game where you creativly told your own stories. The adventure is no longer mine, it's Hawke's. It's hard to explain what I mean...

[phaonica]

Axekix wrote...

 I suspect that the number of people who took the DR significantly outweighs the number of people who opt against it, especially after Awakenings completely ignored the US ending.  Even most of the people in the Alistair fan club seem to send him to Morrigan before the final battle.  Ultimately I think a Morrigan reunion would reach a broader audience than you imply.

I took a break from this board to visit a whole bunch of other gaming sites to see what the comments there were like, and I think you're right. Quite a lot of people there are saying "Hey, I wonder if we'll get to see what happened with Morrigan!"

Depending on the timeline, a female warden could accompany Alistair/Loghain as they go in search of answers (I imagine both would have several in the back of their minds in the years following DAO, especially Alistair given his own abandonment by his father), and a male warden who didn't romance her could do the same with similar motives.  Obviously the Morri lovers need no explanation.

Right now, my main question about the game is why wouldn't my warden get involved in whatever's going down in the Freemarches, if it has to do with darkspawn or OGB. I'd accept it if they didn't explain it... but I'd be irritated.

If they don't bring up the OGB in DA2, I would like to see it in a DLC or preferably an expansion, if only because expansions are significantly longer.

[Herr Uhl]

phaonica wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Is it only me who took this for granted when they were talking about DA being a franchise?

I kind of feel that way. I understand that they have stories they want to tell, but Origins made the adventure *mine* and not theirs. The story was theirs, but the adventure was mine. It's like they're telling us that was a happy coincidence, but their stories are really the most important thing. Dont' get me wrong, I loved the DAO story. But apparently their intentions were never to design a game where you creativly told your own stories. The adventure is no longer mine, it's Hawke's. It's hard to explain what I mean...

It seems to be more of a third person narrative. If there were a mod to choose responses in text and/or turn off the VO I would be more optimistic.

But I think Hawke will be a lot more flexible than Shepard. Call me an optimist.

[Giggles_Manically]

Herr Uhl youre an optimist.



I have gotten burned way to many times on way too many games to get all happy about what is to come. I shall wait and read reviews first. Or wait till Razorfizt and Yahtzee get their hands on it.

[phaonica]

Brockololly wrote...

Another Gaider quote I'll post here so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle:

http://social.biowar...17&lf=8#3086323

David Gaider wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
Will there be closure for the Warden's tale before DA2 launches or is Awakening the ending of his / her tale, even though the epilogue suggests otherwise?

I can't comment on unannounced projects-- and that's not to imply the existence of anything, just that I can't say one way or the other.

I will only say that some plots remain to be resolved, though they may not be resolved in the manner you'd expect. If you're expecting everything to be wrapped up neatly, however, that may not be in the works. Sometimes heroes really do just walk off into the sunset into unknown adventures. Whether you'll see the Warden again, however, remains to be seen.

I think that Gaider knows how much we want to play our Wardens again, and he probably would sincerely like to do that for us. But he cannot make any promises.

[phaonica]

@Giggles_Manically

"Im Commander Hawke and this is my favourite market stall in Kirkwall. "

You put this in your sig. That's funny.

Modifié par phaonica, 11 juillet 2010 - 01:09 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Well someone's pissed here.

[Barbarossa2010]

Brockololly wrote...

Make of this what you will.....

David Gaider wrote...

thenemesis77 wrote...
Thanks, David, you have never let me down I know. I know you might and can't speak of it this time around, is there any kind of DLC for our current Warnde or was DAA his final hour? I understand if you can't talk about  it. I love your way of telling the story and I have faith, just am a fan boy of my warden and the morrigan story.

If any such project existed, I couldn't talk about it-- and would have to give you an unsatisfying non-answer that would only hurt you.

Why do you make me hurt you? ../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png

Oh you won't get that opportunity again David.  Any story that ends the way the romancing Morrigan DR did, is doomed to never be repeated by this player.  Nuff said.  The bottom line is that if I ever did decide to play this wreck of game called DA2 (which I might do if it's available in XBL 'blast from the past' in the bargain basement trashheap for 5 MS points) you can be damn well rest assured Hawke-BOY won't be romancing that white haired geriatric sorceress on the front cover of this f-in game. I've learned my lesson well with these guys.

Wow, just wow on this announcement.  I am absolutely beyond words at present.  I've been playing Oblivion for about 4 weeks straight now (trying to hone my puny RPG muscles), pop my head up to read the Boards and BAM!!!, kicked in the balls again!  I guess outrage is a preferred fan response to these guys. 


Let's see, if I have this right, they're going to s#i+can the only character I ever cared about in a game, oh, and those characters BW wanted me to attach to in their "deep and engaging story" are no longer in the picture, and true to form for the DA Team, after deballing my Warden at the DR, they now lop him off at the knees and deny him any closure with "the face of Dragon Age," and move on to the "next great thing."  Great marketing, but I guess you have data somewhere that supports this approach!   

But hey, look at the bright side, we might've been gelded but we got an idiot's Bazaar, DLC pooh (Darkspawn Chronicles) that EA/Bioware saved major bucks on by hiring a pair of thirteen year olds to develop in their basement, some really stupid gifts to give to those characters we got attached to that no longer really matter in the scheme of things, and the added bonus of being labeled MYOPIC by the one guy responsible for, and who seems to take great pleasure, in ending stories really shi++y and tells you “oh well, get over it, someone has to be disappointed” when you throw the BS flag.

Sort of insulting to get Leliana's Song at this point don't you think?  I won't even spend the points and play the one DLC I actually DID want to play since it already feels like I'm playing something deemed passe with the current announcement of this new "greatest man in the world" or whatever his/her name is.  Out with the old and in with the "new and improved" I guess.  I suppose that's called direct marketing, when, of course, you're focusing on acne riddled HALO fanboy S#i+heads and is certainly waaaaaaay easier (and I presume more profitable) than actually putting forth real effort and making something truly exceptional that many, many fans really want.  Horse S#it.  Jumping around Ferelden in different people's skins, and latest uber-dude, like a hyped up teenager mall rat on Redbull is such a no go for me, I can safely say, if this isn't all smoke and mirrors marketing bilge, DA:O/Awakening will be my only foray into Ferelden.

Ferelden is just not that interesting.  What made Dragon Age great was the Grey Warden Barbarossa [of course, insert favorite Warden here].  Am I just totally out in left field on this one?  Certainly BW can see that!

So now it's Hawke who is the NEW most important person in Ferelden?  Bul S#i+, Barbarossa could kick his ass into the next Age, then brush the dust off of his fresh whooped ass, pat him on the head and make him his paduan (sp?).  BW has their story and I have mine; but, granted, you're the ones in charge.  Call me myopic, tell yourselves whatever you need to maintain your bottom line, I could care less, it won’t sell me on another game from what promised to be a great franchise, but foolishly saw the need to re-invent itself by fixing things that were not only NOT broken, but great.  Suit yourselves, hope it works out for you.

Okay, maybe I wasn't absolutely beyond words after all.

[MoSa09]

Swoo wrote...

I'm also waiting to hear what this Feb
release is, because it's not DA2. It's a game of some sort, so perhaps
the last hurrah of the Warden before they move on to the 'new' story of
Thedas? Anyways, keeping the vitriol in check about the Warden's
abandonment until I hear that it's well and truly over.

Whendid that happen, i thought DA 2 was that mysterious release date in February. I agree no one has specified a release date for DA 2 as far asi know (Priestly once spoke of months til DA 2 release), but that
Dragon back when that date was announced and the cover dragon of DA 2 look very much alike.

Brockololly wrote...

Another Gaider quote I'll post here so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle:

http://social.biowar...17&lf=8#3086323

David Gaider wrote...

I will only say that some plots remain to be resolved, though they may not be resolved in the manner you'd expect. If you're expecting everything to be wrapped up neatly, however, that may not be in the works. Sometimes heroes really do just walk off into the sunset into unknown adventures. Whether you'll see the Warden again, however, remains to be seen.

Did id ever tell how much I HATE his cryptic comments. If you have nothing worthy to say besides fueling speculation and increase grief, hurt and anger among the community because people are bound to interpret and reach good as well as bad conclusions about this, JUST KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT OR YOUR FINGERS OF THE BOARD FOR HEAVENS SAKE DAVID

Modifié par MoSa09, 11 juillet 2010 - 01:54 .

[Barbarossa2010]

Wow, I've been reading the releases and skimmed the last 20 or so pages, and it just hit me how awful it feels to be outside the targeted demographic of a game I really liked and enjoyed for the most part. I mean it is literally disappoinment after disappointment for me at every turn and every announcement with this franchise. And Gaider's responses just make no sense to me from a consumer standpoint. I just really must be way out in left field as a player.

Oh well, I suppose there is a veritable endless spectrum of games to try and hopefully I'll find that grand RPG that delivers epically in end game over sequels. You know, for all it's limitations, at least Mass Effect doesn't disappoint and delivers splendidly throughout.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 11 juillet 2010 - 02:02 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

I sort of expected a huge rant from Barbarossa. But I guess everything's been said already

[Swoo]

MoSa09 wrote...

Swoo wrote...

I'm also waiting to hear what this Feb
release is, because it's not DA2. It's a game of some sort, so perhaps
the last hurrah of the Warden before they move on to the 'new' story of
Thedas? Anyways, keeping the vitriol in check about the Warden's
abandonment until I hear that it's well and truly over.

Whendid that happen, i thought DA 2 was that mysterious release date in February. I agree no one has specified a release date for DA 2 as far asi know (Priestly once spoke of months til DA 2 release), but that
Dragon back when that date was announced and the cover dragon of DA 2 look very much alike.

They said DA2 is being released in March/April. So that means either the Feb-11 date is DA2 and it's already been pushed back without mentioning not to expect a product 2-11, or it's 2 different products hitting close to one another.

I would normally side with common sense and say 2-11 was DA2, but with how absolutely cryptic they are being about the Warden and not to count his story out quite yet, I'm not tossing aside the idea of a final Origins xpac and then DA2 hits.

[MoSa09]

Swoo wrote...

They said DA2 is being released in March/April. So that means either the Feb-11 date is DA2 and it's already been pushed back without mentioning not to expect a product 2-11, or it's 2 different products hitting close to one another.

I would normally side with common sense and say 2-11 was DA2, but with how absolutely cryptic they are being about the Warden and not to count his story out quite yet, I'm not tossing aside the idea of a final Origins xpac and then DA2 hits.

While after that RtO disaster i wouldn't cast aside the idea they  pushed back the release date and simply "forgot" to tell enyone

But well, maybe your right and like Me 2 dlc should be, they will provide a second xpac that will provide Warden closure and already set the stage for DA 2? Could make some sense to prepare the story, throw the people some bones while at the same time let them fihsihs what their Warden has to finish so the people can close this chapter once and forever.

If they really do and end the Warden's chapter, and provide a meaningful and satisfying ending, i'll be a happy and camper and will gladly see what DA 2 has to offer

Modifié par MoSa09, 11 juillet 2010 - 02:26 .

[phaonica]

Swoo wrote...

MoSa09 wrote...

Swoo wrote...

I'm also waiting to hear what this Feb
release is, because it's not DA2. It's a game of some sort, so perhaps
the last hurrah of the Warden before they move on to the 'new' story of
Thedas? Anyways, keeping the vitriol in check about the Warden's
abandonment until I hear that it's well and truly over.

Whendid that happen, i thought DA 2 was that mysterious release date in February. I agree no one has specified a release date for DA 2 as far asi know (Priestly once spoke of months til DA 2 release), but that
Dragon back when that date was announced and the cover dragon of DA 2 look very much alike.

They said DA2 is being released in March/April. So that means either the Feb-11 date is DA2 and it's already been pushed back without mentioning not to expect a product 2-11, or it's 2 different products hitting close to one another.

I would normally side with common sense and say 2-11 was DA2, but with how absolutely cryptic they are being about the Warden and not to count his story out quite yet, I'm not tossing aside the idea of a final Origins xpac and then DA2 hits.

I'd be cool if there was another expansion for the Warden. The OGB does not have to be the most important story of the Dragon Age (ie it doesn't have to be the story of DA2). It would be really nice for the Warden to be able to tie up that loose end, rather than sitting around and letting Hawke deal with it.

[Swoo]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...
What made Dragon Age great was the Grey Warden Barbarossa [of course, insert favorite Warden here].  Am I just totally out in left field on this one? 

I dunno man, we are talking about Redbeard himself, the man who led two scores of ships and fought with diamond encrusted blades (given to him by an Ottoman Sultan!), who after kicking the hell out of some Spaniards decided to just stick around and become ruler instead of casting off to kick more ass.

Yeah, Grey Warden Barbarossa would be a tough one to match

[Brockololly]

Ok, I'm in the process of reading all the responses and will respond in kind, but I just got to Barbarossa's and fist pumped.  We have been waiting for your response!

[Sidney]

Brockololly wrote...

Since we aren't forced into a "save the day" Grey Warden role this time, I picture Hawke's "rise to power...by any means necessary" as being a bit more like KOTOR- you can have the happy sunshine ending or end up being the evil Sith lord. And the time jumps means they can have meaningful consequences potentially carry forward from chapter to chapter.

Although the time jumps also means that the writers have more opportunity to Plot Hammer us to death too... But I'm trying to be an optimist here, dammit!

The decades thing makes me cringe thinking about Fable. A 10 minutes bit while you are 8 and then skip ahead to when you are twenty....an epic that does span decades, in a few moments.....I finally, fianlly, finally learned never to trust Molyneux at that point.

[Kryyptehk]

Sidney wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Since we aren't forced into a "save the day" Grey Warden role this time, I picture Hawke's "rise to power...by any means necessary" as being a bit more like KOTOR- you can have the happy sunshine ending or end up being the evil Sith lord. And the time jumps means they can have meaningful consequences potentially carry forward from chapter to chapter.

Although the time jumps also means that the writers have more opportunity to Plot Hammer us to death too... But I'm trying to be an optimist here, dammit!

The decades thing makes me cringe thinking about Fable. A 10 minutes bit while you are 8 and then skip ahead to when you are twenty....an epic that does span decades, in a few moments.....I finally, fianlly, finally learned never to trust [/i][i]Molyneux at that point.

I learned not to trust Molyneux after Fable 1 and Black &White. The guy just has these really big ideas and thinks his games are sooo awesome, but after looking foward to Fable II for months, I barely made it halfway through the game.