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Kryyptehk wrote...

I learned not to trust Molyneux after Fable 1 and Black &White. The guy just has these really big ideas and thinks his games are sooo awesome, but after looking foward to Fable II for months, I barely made it halfway through the game.

Plus I'm pretty sure he's a rapist/pedophile.

[Terra_Ex]

Nice to see Barbarossa on form and cutting straight to the heart of the issue Loved it, though like Swoo I'll reserve final judgement until said Warden is completely written off.

Swoo wrote...

MoSa09 wrote...

Swoo wrote...

I'm also waiting to hear what this Feb
release is, because it's not DA2. It's a game of some sort, so perhaps
the last hurrah of the Warden before they move on to the 'new' story of
Thedas? Anyways, keeping the vitriol in check about the Warden's
abandonment until I hear that it's well and truly over.

When did that happen, i thought DA 2 was that mysterious release date in February. I agree no one has specified a release date for DA 2 as far asi know (Priestly once spoke of months til DA 2 release), but that
Dragon back when that date was announced and the cover dragon of DA 2 look very much alike.

They said DA2 is being released in March/April. So that means either the Feb-11 date is DA2 and it's already been pushed back without mentioning not to expect a product 2-11, or it's 2 different products hitting close to one another.

I would normally side with common sense and say 2-11 was DA2, but with how absolutely cryptic they are being about the Warden and not to count his story out quite yet, I'm not tossing aside the idea of a final Origins xpac and then DA2 hits.

It is odd, but we have to take into account that Hawke's story is infinitely more important than anything else, past present and future and would thereby overshadow any potential DA Warden-related product that happened to be released around the same time as his godly descent from the heavens... Releasing a final expansion so close to Hawke-day would be sheer foolishness.

Molyneux used to make good games, this was back in the day of Bullfrog - Populous 2 & Syndicate. Now however... some nice ideas, extremely flawed execution.

[Kryyptehk]

adneate wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

I learned not to trust Molyneux after Fable 1 and Black &White. The guy just has these really big ideas and thinks his games are sooo awesome, but after looking foward to Fable II for months, I barely made it halfway through the game.

Plus I'm pretty sure he's a rapist/pedophile.

Why?

[adneate]

Somebody in that cesspool of a DA2 forum asked what kind of companions should Hawke have I thought about it and came to one conclusion:

adneate wrote...



I think there is only one logical companion and all others will fail, since Hawke is the most important person in all of Thedas all the companions should just be Hawke. The problem I found when playing as my Warden was that I was too invested in the character and my companions, I wasn't amping it up and taking it to the limit. However Hawke already comes with all sorts of amps that are up and limits that have already been taken to since he is fresh from generic fantasy hero warehouse, the problem is he is so much more important than the warden I can't imagine anyone being worthy of standing next to him. So since Hawke is superior in every way all the companions should just be Hawke, otherwise it would be a disservice to the most important man in Dragon Age.



Get on it BioWare.

[adneate]

Kryyptehk wrote...

adneate wrote...

Plus I'm pretty sure he's a rapist/pedophile.

Why?

Well I mean look at him bald head those beaty little eyes, the only problem is he would really oversell his rape. Plus that whole Milo thing for Xbox, they're not going to release it because Peter spends every night with it sans clothing.

[Swoo]

Taking it to the limit! Aaaaaugh, why didn't I think of working this into my snark in any form?!

[Ash Wind]

Well this was a disappointing week. To learn that finally we're going to hear something about DA:2 brought me up, only to crash and burn as I've learned its going to be about the pretend epic adventures of Timmy Hawke, a Shepard clone, whose name is intended to try to convince us he's cool... but comes across like a dweeb.



I've had to stop reading the DA:2 boards, as it seemingly has been overrun by the ass-kissing kool-aid drinking whatever you write is totally awesome crowd.



Is it just me, or do the devs posts seem to be from the point of view that its our job to do everything conceivable to let them sell us this pile of garbage. Its not.... its their job to sell me on it, and they haven't. Starting with the hackneyed, sterotypical rags to riches pud with the 'hey, he's cool, his name is... hawke.' clown.



As a Morrigan Fan, DA;O is unfinished... and incomplete. And at this stage of the game I am not going to shell out more $$$ for a lame-ass character in another unfinished, incomplete game.



Nothing I've seen so far tells me this is worth my while. They can take the story in any direction they like, doesn't mean I have to go with them.

[adneate]

Swoo wrote...

Taking it to the limit! Aaaaaugh, why didn't I think of working this into my snark in any form?!

Being snarky about DA2 is about the only thing I have left that makes me feel positive about this sequel. Also as a child of the 90's I lived in a time when people used to say extreme without irony, so I've got tons of ammo.

[phaonica]

adneate wrote...

Somebody in that cesspool of a DA2 forum asked what kind of companions should Hawke have I thought about it and came to one conclusion:

The problem I found when playing as my Warden was that I was too invested in the character and my companions, I wasn't amping it up and taking it to the limit.

Ahahaha

[Brockololly]

[quote]Herr Uhl wrote...
It seems to be more of a third person narrative. If there were a mod to choose responses in text and/or turn off the VO I would be more optimistic.

But I think Hawke will be a lot more flexible than Shepard. Call me an optimist.
[/quote]

Yeah, Mary Kirby pretty much nails down the conversation system here. Basically its the ME conversation wheel with paraphrasing only when you go over the blurb an icon in the middle of the wheel indicates the tone (flirty, angry, sarcastic...)

[quote]phaonica wrote...

I took a break from this board to visit a whole bunch of other gaming sites to see what the comments there were like, and I think you're right. Quite a lot of people there are saying "Hey, I wonder if we'll get to see what happened with Morrigan!"[/quote]

You look across any DA related forum or comment section on the internet and you are almost guaranteed to see at least a handful of posts/comments wanting to know what the hell is going on with Morrigan or hopes to have the Warden reunite with her. In speaking with buddies who have played Origins, Morrigan and specifically finding her or at the very least finding out more about her always comes up. BioWare cannot be so stupid as to not realize the desire for MOAR! Morrigan, can they? Or are they playing coy and trying to hold off so that when they eventually plop Morrigan back into DA in 20 years, they'll go "HEY everybody its Morrigan! But this game!":mellow:


[quote]phaonica wrote...
Right now, my main question about the game is why wouldn't my warden get involved in whatever's going down in the Freemarches, if it has to do with darkspawn or OGB. I'd accept it if they didn't explain it... but I'd be irritated.
[/quote]

Exactly- there are clearly darkspawn in play still in DA2. Maybe other Wardens besides our own is a possible companion, but if the darkspawn play a major role, I want to know why The Warden isn't around if they're just bumming around Thedas anyway.

[quote]adneate wrote...
Why would I want to go out and get invested in new characters when you can't properly end the ones you've already made? Oh wait Neverwinter Nights I keep forgetting, I must be myopic.
[/quote]

This is exactly my feeling. If every game is going to be a new story with a new hero, why should I bother getting attached to them when its likely the Plot Hammer of Doom will just destroy everything in the end anyway? And given the lack of closure for any DR Warden, whats the point?

[quote]Axekix wrote..
If DA2 isn't going to bring us any closure, it's something worthy of its own DLC title imo.
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Exactly- if BioWare cannot realize this simple fact (and yes, its a FACT) they are complete, blubbering morons, I'm sorry. Its not about being clever and holding out for something grand, its about giving a sizeable chunk of the Origins fanbase the middle finger. Morrigan is likely one of the major dangling plot threads that people want to learn more about and want her back because she was a fantastic character. If they don't do anything meaningful with her soon, I guess I'm just too stupid to understand BioWare's Master Plan...

[quote]adneate wrote..
Well we all know deep down inside that Awakening has never mattered, it's a one off.
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Sadly, since Thedas is all that matters (not the characters), it seems like every story is going to be a one off affair.

[quote]Terra_Ex wrote...
This kind of situation is probably my main reason I hate the NWN style of loosely connected tales, there's too many variables to begin with, the potential to continue or conclude particular subplots is tempered by fan choice and the fact the plug can be pulled on the franchise at any given moment... It's particular aggravating as its the individual characters that draw you in rather than the generic let's save the plot, so when you're that invested in something, you do feel entitled to something when its all over. That youhave the fact that Morri is slated to appear again at an undisclosed time will continue to torment her fans till bioware show their hand. [/quote]

Right on, Terra. Ultimately I would be much more open to accept the "new" of DA2 if my Warden's story had some closure. As of now it doesn't- at all. And given that its all about Thedas and its epic tales, there is no guarantee any interesting plot thread left dangling, intentionally or not will ever be resolved. The lore and history of Thedas is interesting- but its only interesting because of the relationships you develop with the characters. If the characters are all disposable plot elements, why should I bother getting attached to any of them or be emotionally engaged when BioWare has said its not about the characters, its about the landmass? If I want a history, I'll read a damn textbook, thank you very much. And about dangling Morrigan about, seriously BioWare? Next thing we know DA4 or 5 will be rolling out and they'll still be claiming "Oh but Morrigan's story isn't over!" Shove it.<_<

[quote]Swoo wrote...
I'm also waiting to hear what this Feb release is, because it's not DA2. It's a game of some sort, so perhaps the last hurrah of the Warden before they move on to the 'new' story of Thedas? Anyways, keeping the vitriol in check about the Warden's abandonment until I hear that it's well and truly over.
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This is true-  If you go to play.com and check out the DA2 preorder page it says DA2 is scheduled to ship March 25, 2011. And the EA press release also says DA2 is due out in March 2011. Which makes sense as thats still in EA's fiscal Q4. But I think Priestly more recently said how the 2/1/2011 date wasn't necessarily DA2's release date. So what is it? The thing that sticks with me is that its probably another expansion pack, or at least I hope. They hinted at it in Awakening, an expansion so it was aimed at the "hardcore" DA fan. A solid expack to tie off some loose ends for the Warden and Morrigan would really give me a bit more faith that BioWare knows what they're doing.

But given some of Gaider's comments today about sometimes just having the hero walk into the sunset, the problem is that we may never know if the Warden has been abandoned for good! They may just leave it the open ended mess it is now...*sigh*

[quote]Barbarossa2010 wrote...
Ferelden is just not that interesting.  What made Dragon Age great was the Grey Warden Barbarossa [of course, insert favorite Warden here].  Am I just totally out in left field on this one?  Certainly BW can see that![/quote]

No, you're spot on. Its the characters that made Origins interesting. I have no doubt DA2 will have great characters, but if you want me to be emotionally engaged with any of them, you can't just treat them like disposable parts in the big machine that is Thedas. Give them closure and an ending of some kind if we're never going to see them again. Otherwise, why should I bother getting attached to any character in DA2, 3, 4 or 5 if we're never going to see them again or they're just being treated as cheap plot elements? Hell, maybe BioWare really doesn't give a flying f*** about the characters- they crapped all over them in Darkspawn Chronicles.

[quote]KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Well someone's pissed here.[/quote]

You're not alone >

[quote]MoSa09 wrote...
If they really do and end the Warden's chapter, and provide a meaningful and satisfying ending, i'll be a happy and camper and will gladly see what DA 2 has to offer
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Me too, MoSa. If they leave things as is, I have no desire to buy another game thats just going to inevitably write off characters and replace them just for the sake of telling the next most AwESOMe story EVAR! If they're just going to cheaply write off the Warden by "vanishing!"- F*** that noise- thats as bad as damn boulder crushing him. Come on BioWare.

[quote]Swoo wrote...

They said DA2 is being released in March/April. So that means either the Feb-11 date is DA2 and it's already been pushed back without mentioning not to expect a product 2-11, or it's 2 different products hitting close to one another.

I would normally side with common sense and say 2-11 was DA2, but with how absolutely cryptic they are being about the Warden and not to count his story out quite yet, I'm not tossing aside the idea of a final Origins xpac and then DA2 hits.
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I can't find the post, but Priestly mentioned a couple days ago that 2/1/2011 is something cool for DA fans but not necessarily DA2. And with the EA release saying DA2 is March, the February thing is definitely something else. My hope is its an ex-pack, my fear is its something stupid like the Bazzar or the anime.
 
There is also the interview with Muzyka and Zeschuk from a March episode of GTTV where he clearly said they were working on DA2 but another title as well. Surely they wouldn't be working on an ex-pack to DA2 already, would they?


Question for everyone: who has read George RR Martin's Song of Ice and Fire? I haven't but from what I've read about it and everything surrounding GRRM's lack of progress on the latest books, I am reminded of Dragon Age. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the books have a wide number of characters and he regularly kills them off and is more focused on the story of the land at large. And then you've got fans currently upset because it seems he is never going to finish the series.

Is that what they're modeling DA after? Just a bunch of stories with the land connecting everything together, meanwhile us Morrigan romancers get the shaft waiting for resolution that may never happen?

Modifié par Brockololly, 11 juillet 2010 - 03:49 .

[Herr Uhl]

Brockololly wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...
It seems to be more of a third person narrative. If there were a mod to choose responses in text and/or turn off the VO I would be more optimistic.

But I think Hawke will be a lot more flexible than Shepard. Call me an optimist.

Yeah, Mary Kirby pretty much nails down the conversation system here. Basically its the ME conversation wheel with paraphrasing only when you go over the blurb an icon in the middle of the wheel indicates the tone (flirty, angry, sarcastic...)

I know, hence why I used the term "mod".

[MKDAWUSS]

I'm beginning to think that Dragon Age is going to be more comparable with Star Wars, primarily the pre-Skywalker era. Where it wasn't really about one person or individual, and favorite characters often getting the shaft and never seen or heard from again.

The problem is, the Dragon Age universe isn't quite as established as the Star Wars one, and even then, the original main character (FAI&P Luke) was well established and his story was, for the most part, wrapped up.

In a way, it's kinda like KOTOR-TSL all over again, only with less establishment (again, you have the entire Star Wars universe that was already well established in everyone's minds at that point). I'm slowly wondering if there's going to be some big retcon to the Warden and Blight as well, kinda like Revan and the Mandalorian Wars/Jedi Civil War...

[Barbarossa2010]

Swoo wrote...

Barbarossa2010 wrote...
What made Dragon Age great was the Grey Warden Barbarossa [of course, insert favorite Warden here].  Am I just totally out in left field on this one? 

I dunno man, we are talking about Redbeard himself, the man who led two scores of ships and fought with diamond encrusted blades (given to him by an Ottoman Sultan!), who after kicking the hell out of some Spaniards decided to just stick around and become ruler instead of casting off to kick more ass.

Or the infamous German Emperor Frederick who led the second Crusade...but sadly ended an epic life drowning in a river prior to reaching the Holy Land.

OR

The Eastern Front campaign of the Third Reich...

Your choice.

Sorry, my inner geek seeps out about as often as my inner rage demon.

[Barbarossa2010]

Ash Wind wrote...

Is it just me, or do the devs posts seem to be from the point of view that its our job to do everything conceivable to let them sell us this pile of garbage. Its not.... its their job to sell me on it, and they haven't.

Amen to that.  Bioware may have their bottom line, but so does their consumers.

[Barbarossa2010]

Brockololly wrote...

I have no doubt DA2 will have great characters, but if you want me to be emotionally engaged with any of them, you can't just treat them like disposable parts in the big machine that is Thedas. Give them closure and an ending of some kind if we're never going to see them again. Otherwise, why should I bother getting attached to any character in DA2, 3, 4 or 5 if we're never going to see them again or they're just being treated as cheap plot elements?

Another Amen.  Exactly.  Why even bother, if come next year we're right back here again?  Oh, I can't wait to play DA2, be a new and improved uber-dude, attach to a whole new set of companions, develop a new LI, and take another shot to the groin from Gaider.  ...then do it all over again in DA3!  WTF?
 
Well said Brock.

[ximena]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

I have no doubt DA2 will have great characters, but if you want me to be emotionally engaged with any of them, you can't just treat them like disposable parts in the big machine that is Thedas. Give them closure and an ending of some kind if we're never going to see them again. Otherwise, why should I bother getting attached to any character in DA2, 3, 4 or 5 if we're never going to see them again or they're just being treated as cheap plot elements?

Another Amen.  Exactly.  Why even bother, if come next year we're right back here again?  Oh, I can't wait to play DA2, be a new and improved uber-dude, attach to a whole new set of companions, develop a new LI, and take another shot to the groin from Gaider.  ...then do it all over again in DA3!  WTF?
 
Well said Brock.

I've already decided I won't involve myself too much emotionally in DA2. If they're probably going to screw us over again. >_>

[Brockololly]

ximena wrote...
I've already decided I won't involve myself too much emotionally in DA2. If they're probably going to screw us over again. >_>

I'm kind of coming to terms that its just a very different game than Origins was, for better or worse. Some stuff does sound neat and could be a legitimate improvement over Origins, but then again, stuff like the lack of a silent PC or Thedas's timeline being filled out as the most important aspect, kind of leave me a bit cold to the whole thing.

I'm certainly willing to give it a chance. BioWare creates great characters and they have an interesting world going in Dragon Age. I just hope they realize that people like the characters the most- whether I become Emperor of Thedas or get to see the varying geography of Thedas, I don't really care as much about.

If the writers and devs treat the characters as disposable cogs that can be replaced the following year when Dragon Age 2k12's roster update comes out, give me a reason why I should become emotionally engaged in their stories? Thats not to say I couldn't enjoy a series of stand alone games loosely tied together, but at least give closure to plot threads and relationships started in one game before moving on to the next new and shiny thing *cough* MORRIGAN and the WARDEN *cough*

[ximena]

Brockololly wrote...

ximena wrote...
I've already decided I won't involve myself too much emotionally in DA2. If they're probably going to screw us over again. >_>

I'm kind of coming to terms that its just a very different game than Origins was, for better or worse. Some stuff does sound neat and could be a legitimate improvement over Origins, but then again, stuff like the lack of a silent PC or Thedas's timeline being filled out as the most important aspect, kind of leave me a bit cold to the whole thing.

I'm certainly willing to give it a chance. BioWare creates great characters and they have an interesting world going in Dragon Age. I just hope they realize that people like the characters the most- whether I become Emperor of Thedas or get to see the varying geography of Thedas, I don't really care as much about.

If the writers and devs treat the characters as disposable cogs that can be replaced the following year when Dragon Age 2k12's roster update comes out, give me a reason why I should become emotionally engaged in their stories? Thats not to say I couldn't enjoy a series of stand alone games loosely tied together, but at least give closure to plot threads and relationships started in one game before moving on to the next new and shiny thing *cough* MORRIGAN and the WARDEN *cough*

Oh. I'm coming into terms with DA2 as well. But what I was going to say is pretty much in your post. So yeah. *runs back to making DW pages*

[Herr Uhl]

I'm just going to ask now, what is it you want?



The warden to meet Morrigan, or just the God-baby plot thread to be resolved?



The second one is what I would like to have closure to personally. If it is by the warden or some other person doesn't matter that much to me (the ending being bitter, not everything has to end happily), I can accept the warden not finding Morrigan or the Old God, if that is what happens.

[adneate]

Herr Uhl wrote...

I'm just going to ask now, what is it you want?

The warden to meet Morrigan, or just the God-baby plot thread to be resolved?

The second one is what I would like to have closure to personally. If it is by the warden or some other person doesn't matter that much to me (the ending being bitter, not everything has to end happily), I can accept the warden not finding Morrigan or the Old God, if that is what happens.

I'm not saying it has to be rainbow and butterflies either but I'd like more thought put into it than "You vanished one day". As for why The Warden should be present is simple, The Warden and the player feel exactly the same and have the same amount of information about the Dark Ritual and the baby. Somebody who wasn't involved in the DR and had no real personal stake in the OGB is just not going to cut it for me since as the player I'll want to ask questions that this new player character would never ask since they aren't as involved as I am.

[Brockololly]

ximena wrote...

Oh. I'm coming into terms with DA2 as well. But what I was going to say is pretty much in your post. So yeah. *runs back to making DW pages*

Hooray for more DW!

Herr Uhl wrote...

I'm just going to ask now, what is it
you want?

The warden to meet Morrigan, or just the God-baby plot
thread to be resolved?

The second one is what I would like to
have closure to personally. If it is by the warden or some other person
doesn't matter that much to me (the ending being bitter, not everything
has to end happily), I can accept the warden not finding Morrigan or the
Old God, if that is what happens.

Here is the thing for me- The devs have said Morrigan's story isn't over yet. So more than likely she'll pop up somwhere in a future DA game. Whether thats DA2 or not, we don't know. But if my Super Cousland is scouring the ends of the earth to find Morrigan and his kid, when Morrigan does turn up I'd like it if the Warden is the one reuniting with her. That is to say, I'd find it a hell of a lot more emotionally engaging if the Warden who romanced Morrigan is able to reunite with her for whatever reason, under whatever circumstances versus having Hawke or some other random dude stumble across Morrigan. And upon meeting back up with Morrigan, the Warden can ask her questions about the OGB and her plan and all that.

And if the Warden X Morrigan reunion is to never happen, then I'd like the Warden to have some closure at least. Last I heard from my Cousland, he was off to Orlais in search of Morrigan. How dumb would it be if in DA2 or whenever, Morrigan shows up in Orlais, but with some other PC? Whats going on with my Cousland then?

I want to learn more about the OGB plot, but the whole point in my view of the DR was that you not only created the OGB but the Warden also got the chance to live on. I want the Warden specifically to be the one dealing with any consequences of the DR, not some other chump Hero. The Warden thats alive from the DR needs a better send off than just " he vanished." And as far as learning more about the OGB plot, if we ever stumble across Morrigan I think she'd be more willing to spill the beans on her plan to the father of her child than to some random Hero guy.

[Herr Uhl]

The random hero guy would probably not encounter her without there being some reason for it. Like her agenda for the child. But that is besides the point.



I would prefer if there was a DLC to give closure to this for the reasons stated. But I can accept the warden "vanishing" if I know that he/she didn't reach Morrigan or OGB. Then the vanishing is more saying that you choose the way that the warden fails after what you think your character would do, kind of like the "it could be a golden age if [warden] and Anora got along". Granted, a lot more vague than that.

[phaonica]

Right now, I would definitely rather have an expansion handle the Morrigan/OGB question. I don't like the idea that if Morrigan and/or the OGB turn out to be part of the "most important story in the Dragon Age" that those Wardens who are looking for her somehow manage to miss the news. And if the OGB turns out to be a disaster, no one is more responsible for that disaster than the Warden. If the OGB turns out to be big news in the world, it would suck if the Warden mysteriously vanished just after the events in Awakening, and there is no other explanation for why s/he isn't there.

[blademaster7]

phaonica wrote...

Right now, I would definitely rather have an expansion handle the Morrigan/OGB question. I don't like the idea that if Morrigan and/or the OGB turn out to be part of the "most important story in the Dragon Age" that those Wardens who are looking for her somehow manage to miss the news. And if the OGB turns out to be a disaster, no one is more responsible for that disaster than the Warden. If the OGB turns out to be big news in the world, it would suck if the Warden mysteriously vanished just after the events in Awakening, and there is no other explanation for why s/he isn't there.

Excellent point.

I doubt Morrigan and the god baby will be something to go unnoticed.

I guess the whole point with Awakening's ending was to get rid of the Warden and any possible reunion...