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[Brockololly]

adneate wrote...
 Still inspite off it all I enjoy the game, I just didn't want all of BioWare's products to be like it.

No doubt- I really enjoyed ME2, that said, I don't want every BioWare game to necessarily remind me of ME... differences are good!

[KnightofPhoenix]

Same here. In fact, I considered the Mass Effect and Dragon Age era (when they weredeisgned to be different) to be a golden age. Despite differences, they were both awesome in their own right (though my preference leans towards Origins more).

Hopefully DA2 will feel more like DA then anythign else.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 12 juillet 2010 - 05:25 .

[Barbarossa2010]

SadisticChunkyDwarf wrote...

adneate wrote...

SadisticChunkyDwarf wrote...

A bunch of stupid crap because he's a dumb console owner.

Dear Moron,

Lick me.

Sincerely My Balls.

Ahh well, Ill stop taking the high road, its really not as much fun as telling you that you're a worthless skank who shouldve been aborted to prevent you from tarding up the already inbred gene pool that spawned you. That is infinitely more fun than simply reporting you or something stupid like that. What was I thinking? Mouth breathing cvnt crotches like yourself are just begging to be put in their place. You're a waste of preconceptual ooze. and should go die or rot in mediocrity somewhere I dont have to smell you. Dismissed.

Ahhh, I dont think I could have handled that situation better.

Nobody makes fun of me for being a console owner. That really makes me ANGRY! Caps to emphasize my net rage.

Meet the targeted demographic for DA2.

[adneate]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

Meet the targeted demographic for DA2.

What's funny is he worked really hard on that insult and he probably thought it really hurt me. However when you do what I do for a living you sorta get immune to stuff like that.

[Barbarossa2010]

adneate wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Eum I am a console owner.
But who cares, sadisticdwarf's comment is below useless.

I said a dumb console owner not a smart one like you Knight!

Console user here too.  But like Knight (Bro), I'll be switching to PC for RPGs.  Really want to use Terra_Ex's Mods.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 12 juillet 2010 - 05:30 .

[Terra_Ex]

Thanks for the link Brock, I won't deny that the console version's combat mechanics  (for DA:O) were less than optimal, we can only hope that this new focus on the console versions won't inhibit the PC version.

@Barbarossa

Barbarossa, you really don't remind of the usual suspects on Xbox LIVE, so I think you're doing yourself a disservice. Join us, and realise your potential

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 12 juillet 2010 - 05:36 .

[Addai]

Can someone interpret "Spartan" for me?  I didn't watch 300.  I am picturing a close-up, maybe even camera-eye view, of the PC cutting someone's head off.  Sort of like Fallout 3, how VATS would zoom in on the bullet traveling towards your enemy's head.  Am I close?

[Master Shiori]

Addai67 wrote...

Can someone interpret "Spartan" for me?  I didn't watch 300.  I am picturing a close-up, maybe even camera-eye view, of the PC cutting someone's head off.  Sort of like Fallout 3, how VATS would zoom in on the bullet traveling towards your enemy's head.  Am I close?

Not sure how to interpret that gameplay wise. Probably by comparing it to combat in God of War or something.

To me it comes across as fast paced action where you mash buttons to produce different combos followed by visuals of your character performing some fancy move like decapitation.

Though I can't really imagine that working out for a game that sports a 4 person party like DA:O had, and that by all accounts DA2 wil have as well.

[ximena]

I think when the copywriters were writing "Spartan" into the initial copy, they were probably going for... er... Epic fighting. or whatever. Really though. They have a bad head copywriter. XD Or a lame boss. Probably the latter. Haha.

[phaonica]

Master Shiori wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Can someone interpret "Spartan" for me?  I didn't watch 300.  I am picturing a close-up, maybe even camera-eye view, of the PC cutting someone's head off.  Sort of like Fallout 3, how VATS would zoom in on the bullet traveling towards your enemy's head.  Am I close?

Not sure how to interpret that gameplay wise. Probably by comparing it to combat in God of War or something.

To me it comes across as fast paced action where you mash buttons to produce different combos followed by visuals of your character performing some fancy move like decapitation.

Though I can't really imagine that working out for a game that sports a 4 person party like DA:O had, and that by all accounts DA2 wil have as well.

I played the God of War series and enjoyed the hell out of it. But that doesn't mean I think *every* game should be more like God of War. I actually am not crazy about the pause and play style in Origins, but I like the if-then tactics system. I think that it's all well and good if they try to improve the combat system, so long as the *good* things about the game don't suffer for it.

[Brockololly]

A little Morrigan/Amell hotness, courtesy of Aimo:

[Brockololly]

Good posts by Gaider here- the point about mainstreaming games I think is the poignant one:

David Gaider wrote...

MerinTB wrote...
While I mostly agree wtih you in spirit, David...

This is becoming something of a tautology for you.

"The game is being changed thisway because we design the game and feel it should be this way."
is like
"I am a game designer because I design games.  The sky is blue because it is a blue sky."

I agree. It does end up sounding that way, but that's because people keep asking me to explain
the obvious.

My fear is that the gaming industry (including BioWare at this point, I'm sad to say) is moving with the rest of the entertainment industry into trying to find this "mythical" mainstream audience.  All this does is makemish-mashes of genres and mediocre products that large numbers can go "eh, it was alright" about.
Bottom line, it makes finanacial sense - better to have 2/3rds of the game consumers buying and forgetting your game in a couple months than 1/3rd of the game consumers buying and loving your game to death.

Maybe.

I'd suggest maybe taking a look here: www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/publishers-note/7688-Publisher-Note-10-E-for-Everyone-Except-Me

It's not a bad article, in terms of explaining some of the realities we face. I don't think it's the entire reason these choices were made, as DAO was quite successful on its own, but it certainly addresses the idea you're expressing.

As I've often said, I'll most likely end up buying DA2.  And probably liking it a lot.
But I waited years for DAO and am in love with the game (even though, yes, it sacrificed a few sacred cows of mine.)  Right now DA2 looks to be sacrificing a few more sacred cows, and my herd is looking so thin that I'm afraid I won't survive the winter.

I like this turn of a phrase. Well done!

Sacred cows are yummy. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png

Modifié par Brockololly, 12 juillet 2010 - 06:17 .

[Terra_Ex]

I still have God of War kicking around somewhere, it was okay but always just seemed like a pretender to Devil May Cry's combat mechanics with QTE moments thrown in. I liked the bosses but found the generic enemies to be boring, I may get the trilogy pack if I feel the need to kill things in the near future. Origins was a pretty nice system, but lacked the complexity and new of skills and spells of BG.

Brock, nice find, now you need to find us a new Gaider quote, there's a distinct lack of them over the last few pages, did you notice this over in warzone btw,


Akizora wrote...

The world is changing, I feel it in the earth, I feel it in the water, I smell it in the air. Much that once was is now
forgotten; for none now live who remember it.

It began with the making of the great games: Three of Baldurs Gate and Neverwinter Nights were given to the oldschool RPG-fans, the most dedicated and loyal of all beings. Two of Knights of the Old Republic and Jade Empire were given to the new generation of RPG fans, great gamers and players of the new era. And Two were passed to the race of men, who  above all else desire power and were thus given Mass Effect.

The oldschool RPG-fans rejoiced upon the release of Dragon Age: Origins and as did all the other races.

...But they were all of them decieved for another game was made: in the halls of Bioware, in the fires of Internet Hate, the dark lord Gaider forged, in secret, a master game to control all others. And into this game he poured his cruelty, his malice, and his will to dominate all life....This game was Dragon Age 2


And literally, the second I post this, you find a new Gaider quote 

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 12 juillet 2010 - 06:17 .

[Brockololly]

Terra_Ex wrote...

Brock, nice find, now you need to find us a new Gaider quote, there's a distinct lack of them over the last few pages, did you notice this over in warzone btw,

Hahaha=]

I was going to post the LotR spoof but forgot about it. Good stuff.

[Brockololly]

Master Shiori wrote...

Though I can't really imagine that working out for a game that sports a 4 person party like DA:O had, and that by all accounts DA2 wil have as well.

Thats another of my big unsubstantiated fears- they neuter the party mechanics somehow. You could argue it was already limited in DAO coming from BG2, but I fear they'll dumb it down even more for the consoles so you end up with a brain dead squad system like Mass Effect.

I doubt they will, but then again nothing is safe from changes it seems...

[MKDAWUSS]

I see the 7/12 update hasn't occurred yet

[bl00dsh0t]

Haha I had a pretty ****ty day but reading these last 5 pages has made me crack up hardcore...bros
A lame little troll, and probably brocks best rant eva! Barbarossa is getting some competition, is nice ^^

Anyways Im curious as to how they will implement this new combat system, odds are its going to be some mediocre crap but there is still a 1% chance it will actually be kinda neat. Also annoying I agree MK that the times for the GI updates are probably western us times or osmething so we get to wait till its afternoon over there...read when Im balls deep in my pillow

The hilarity of the glibness of the devs remains to be, once again well researched everyone, that they were defending the old system so damn hard while they were actually right. Perhaps there is a chance that the new system is better than the ME system but the odds are the level of immersion will just not be the same. Doesn't necessarily mean it will stink like hell, but just won't be as mindblowingly awesome as the original. And god damnit hawke <<<<<< my couslands, mahariels, ammells, and so forth. They were epic a sskickers of darkspawn and human alike. How the hell another can another SOB come around that kicks as much butt as a level 35 awakening warden? T'will neva happen!!!

And on the matter of bro's, the most awesomily accurate depiction of a bro of all time is found in l33tworld: http://smoothfewfilm.../reality-bites/

Its a counterstrike machinima, starts off kinda lame but becomes very amusing if you have ever played cs after a couple of episodes. But the bro in it is a true bro ^^

Modifié par bl00dsh0t, 12 juillet 2010 - 06:51 .

[blademaster7]

Addai67 wrote...

Can someone interpret "Spartan" for me?  I
didn't watch 300.  I am picturing a close-up, maybe even camera-eye
view, of the PC cutting someone's head off.  Sort of like Fallout 3, how
VATS would zoom in on the bullet traveling towards your enemy's head. 
Am I close?

I can give you an in-depth explanation of the Spartan culture if you'd like but I won't bore you. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

What they were trying to say is that you are gonna be playing a macho killing machine with lots of hack n slash and some brutal combat. And then add some more hack n slash and more killing.

bl00dsh0t wrote...
and probably brocks best rant eva! Barbarossa is getting some competition, is nice ^^

You know, we should make a "Morrigan thread awards" competition for the 200th page. Vote for the best posters...  NOW:wizard:

Modifié par blademaster7, 12 juillet 2010 - 07:02 .

[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

Though I can't really imagine that working out for a game that sports a 4 person party like DA:O had, and that by all accounts DA2 wil have as well.

Thats another of my big unsubstantiated fears- they neuter the party mechanics somehow. You could argue it was already limited in DAO coming from BG2, but I fear they'll dumb it down even more for the consoles so you end up with a brain dead squad system like Mass Effect.

I doubt they will, but then again nothing is safe from changes it seems...

Personally, I found the party sytem in DA:O to be exactly the same as in BG2, except I could set up tactics and thus there was less need to micromanage everything.

As for making it the same as it was in ME, that's not really possible unless you want to reduce the amount of spells and abilities by about 70-80% which I can't see happening.
ME allowed for 4-5 abilities per squadmate. In DA you have about 8-10 on average.

The way I see it so many abilities and talents were a hell to manage on consoles due to bad control system thgat was tailor made for pc users. Now they're doing it the other way around. They making sure the controls work well on consoles before dealing with that on pc (where it should remain the same since it was designed for it in the first place).

As for story and dialogue being dumbed down to ME level. Keep in mind that only the way you choose your replies is different. The quality and depth (I believe also the amount) will be the same since it's still DA writers who are crating it and not ME team (who obviously has different writing style). David Gaider said that he could easily recreate any dialogue from Origins with this new system without it losing anything.

[Barbarossa2010]

Addai67 wrote...

Can someone interpret "Spartan" for me?  I didn't watch 300.  I am picturing a close-up, maybe even camera-eye view, of the PC cutting someone's head off.  Sort of like Fallout 3, how VATS would zoom in on the bullet traveling towards your enemy's head.  Am I close?

My guess is that it is a mixture (in concept and vision) of 300 with Leonidas' bare chested hooah, and (in gaming actuality) with Spartan-117 (Master Chief) from HALO.  Those who play the latter (and they are legion) are most definitely the bulk of the targeted audience.  I'm sure all you have to do is look at the sales figures for HALOs 1 through 3, HALO Wars, and ODST (which did not actually include Spartans); and I'm sure we can safely predict big numbers for HALO Reach (to be released in Sep with an veritable army of Spartans to play). 

Listen, I love this series, but I'm not looking for it's extreme-ness, awesomeness and amped-uped-ness at all in Dragon Age.  What I loved about Dragon Age was that it was adult, but still completely badass in it's own way without all the twitchy, adolescent, juiced-up hype. 

Believe me, BW/EA knew what they were doing here if we're right about the course they're taking with DA2.  Ritalin America will react in it's predictably Pavlovian manner to the word "Spartan."

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 12 juillet 2010 - 07:45 .

[ejoslin]

Brockololly wrote...

Good posts by Gaider here- the point about mainstreaming games I think is the poignant one:

David Gaider wrote...

MerinTB wrote...
While I mostly agree wtih you in spirit, David...

This is becoming something of a tautology for you.

"The game is being changed thisway because we design the game and feel it should be this way."
is like
"I am a game designer because I design games.  The sky is blue because it is a blue sky."

I agree. It does end up sounding that way, but that's because people keep asking me to explain
the obvious.

My fear is that the gaming industry (including BioWare at this point, I'm sad to say) is moving with the rest of the entertainment industry into trying to find this "mythical" mainstream audience.  All this does is makemish-mashes of genres and mediocre products that large numbers can go "eh, it was alright" about.
Bottom line, it makes finanacial sense - better to have 2/3rds of the game consumers buying and forgetting your game in a couple months than 1/3rd of the game consumers buying and loving your game to death.

Maybe.

I'd suggest maybe taking a look here: www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/publishers-note/7688-Publisher-Note-10-E-for-Everyone-Except-Me

It's not a bad article, in terms of explaining some of the realities we face. I don't think it's the entire reason these choices were made, as DAO was quite successful on its own, but it certainly addresses the idea you're expressing.

As I've often said, I'll most likely end up buying DA2.  And probably liking it a lot.
But I waited years for DAO and am in love with the game (even though, yes, it sacrificed a few sacred cows of mine.)  Right now DA2 looks to be sacrificing a few more sacred cows, and my herd is looking so thin that I'm afraid I won't survive the winter.

I like this turn of a phrase. Well done!

Sacred cows are yummy. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png

*sigh* So we know it's not coming from the writers.  I'm sure they'll do a good job with what they were given to do.  They're amazing writers.  And I guess I can understand them being defensive.

Truly, I would pay $100 for a game like DAO.  I would pay $40 for a game like ME.  But I think people like me may be in the minority.

Edit: I understand that excessive quoting is, well, excessive, this post was too good not to quote in it's depressing entirety.

Modifié par ejoslin, 12 juillet 2010 - 07:17 .

[MoSa09]

Just in case you don't know this yet, i have to post this

[KnightofPhoenix]

That's depressing in a funny way.

[Master Shiori]

MoSa09 wrote...

Just in case you don't know this yet, i have to post this

You, sir or madam, owe me a new laptop.

That was beyond funny!

[blademaster7]

It's funny at first... yeah.... but then it makes you wanna cry