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[soignee]

Master Shiori wrote...

Which bear?

Night Elf sleeps-on-the-job escort from Darkshore to Ashenvale or that Tauren imprisoned by the furbolgs?

The latter, I'm a Horde-y.

Also, I really doubt Gaider would let Morrigan be possessed by Flemeth. Can't say why I have that feeling. Maybe because the whole "Morri ends up possessed by Flemeth" thing is a tad bit obvious and wouldn't even be a proper "gotcha!" moment.

I hope Morrigan got away =/

What I'm wondering though is when exactly does Hawke encounter Flemeth? Do you think she was the one who rescued him from Lothering and set him on the journey to Free Marches?
In GI they said she kills some darkspawn while in her dragon form and then switches to human form and talks to Hawke. Would be interesting if his entire rise to power was actually orchestrated by Flemeth in the first place...

Hmmmmm. I hope the give us some Flemeth closure, so to speak, anxd explain a few things. And she not be DA's version of Lost.

[Addai]

GardenSnake wrote...

Ya, its pretty sad, I actually got, "its just a game, calm down" as a reply when I just posted that I thought VO was the wrong way to go. Its funny, that guy said its just a game, but seemed ready to give his life to defend it. I guess I'm just MYOPIC is all.

Yeah, the Bros aren't even half as annoying as the gurus who want to lead everyone in solemn meditation.

[Brockololly]

Master Shiori wrote...

Also, I really doubt Gaider would let Morrigan be possessed by Flemeth. Can't say why I have that feeling. Maybe because the whole "Morri ends up possessed by Flemeth" thing is a tad bit obvious and wouldn't even be a proper "gotcha!" moment.

Yeah, it seems awfully predictable. Of course that just means he'll find some other way to twist that knife a little deeper in weird and unexpected ways.

Master Shiori wrote...
What I'm wondering though is when exactly does Hawke encounter Flemeth? Do you think she was the one who rescued him from Lothering and set him on the journey to Free Marches?
In GI they said she kills some darkspawn while in her dragon form and then switches to human form and talks to Hawke. Would be interesting if his entire rise to power was actually orchestrated by Flemeth in the first place...

I'm thinking Flemeth is pulling the strings in a major way here- with the Warden, Morrigan, the DR and now woth Hawke....but to what end???

soignee wrote...

Hmmmmm. I hope the give us some Flemeth
closure, so to speak, anxd explain a few things. And she not be DA's
version of Lost.

My fear with the direction they are seemingly taking with DA with having each game a new story is that you end up having tons of loose ends that get no resolution. Now some things make sense to be unresolved- stuff like religion and stuff I'm fine if it stays vague. But with characters, I want at least some solid answers otherwise you just end up frustrated.

[Brockololly]

Another question to pose: If Hawke starts out in Ferelden and Lothering to escape the Blight, what direction does he go to escape? And where does he necessarily escape to? Does he make a direct run to the Free Marches and Kirkwall, crossing the Waking Sea?

Option 1:

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Or does he go the round about way over land, which could take him through Orlais, The Dales and Nevarra?
Option2:



I guess it depends on how many different areas of Thedas they want to show off in DA2. But since it spans 10 years, I'm curious how travel will work in the game too.

And if Hawke does head west and make the land journey to the Free marches....going over the Frostbacks....passing through Orlais.....yeah, that could set up a certain meeting with a certain someone  if the writers wanted it to happen...

Modifié par Brockololly, 13 juillet 2010 - 09:51 .

[Master Shiori]

With Morrigan it's clear they plan to provide us with answers at some point and also a closure to her story.



As for potential Hawke related loose ends, that's why I really hope there's an ending where we can have him/her die. That way any potential lose ends are dealt with before DA3.



One thing I'm never going to do is have my Warden commit US just for the sake of closure. I'll accept Ximena's Demons Within comic as the ending to my Warden's story (which is an awesome comic for any DA fan who likes Morri or dark ritual. I highly recommend it) and Bioweare be damned.



If Kotor and Revan taught me anything it's that iyou should always have alternative ways of getting closure in case the devs fail you.

[Herr Uhl]

Boat most likely. The darkspawn are in the way of the western route, well, he could go around lake Calenhad.

[Master Shiori]

And yes, if Flemeth is a companion I want her to be a romance option. I kid you not.

[MoSa09]

@Brock: one possibility they meet that way. But i doubt it.

1. Morrigan has no need to meet Hawke, and she is not exatcly known to be a social woman who easily makes friends along the way. If you refuse her offer, she becomes an advisors at the royal court in Orlais. I doubt Hawke would meet her there. If she is pregnant with an abomination god child, she has every reason to avoid all living beings. If she is just pregnant, well she is still ot exactly a social being who makes friends easily.

2. Hawke is the Champion of Kirkwall in the Free Marshes. If i understood the game concept correct, the story is told in Flahbacks how that came to be. Sf it's rather doubtful he travels the countryside for years and then just qiuckly becomes the Champion in the Free marshes.

3. He flees Lothering at around the same time the Warden leaves Lothering, so Morrigan travelling west is still a long way to go. Once she does, he should be more than long gone.

Modifié par MoSa09, 13 juillet 2010 - 09:59 .

[MKDAWUSS]

But does he head straight to the Free Marches? He could make a few detours. This is the part we don't know. 10 years is a long time. Keep in mind that it didn't take the Warden that long to rally all of Ferelden against the Blight.

[Master Shiori]

I believe he would travel to the coast and book passage on a ship. At least to me it's seems like the most logical route.



Unless he flew there on Flemeth's back...

[Master Shiori]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

But does he head straight to the Free Marches? He could make a few detours. This is the part we don't know. 10 years is a long time. Keep in mind that it didn't take the Warden that long to rally all of Ferelden against the Blight.

I believe they said Origins spans over a period of 1-2 years (my guess would be 1 year since I find it strange that the Archdemon would wait around for longer than that...). Travelling across a country on foot sure takes time.

[Brockololly]

Master Shiori wrote...

And yes, if Flemeth is a companion I want her to be a romance option. I kid you not.

:sick::sick::sick::sick::sick::sick::sick::sick::sick::sick:

Flemeth is interesting as a character and no offense to Mulgrew who does a fine job with the VO, but I cannot stand Flemeth's wishy washy, cryptic dialogue. Epic Hawke is killing her ASAP (unless it adversely affects Morrigan or the Warden )

MoSa09 wrote...

@Brock: one possibility they meet that
way. But i doubt it.

1. Morrigan has no need to meet Hawke, and
she is not exatcly known to be a social woman who easily makes friends
along the way. If you refuse her offer, she becomes an advisors at the
royal court in Orlais. I doubt Hawke would meet her there. If she is
pregnant with an abomination god child, she has every reason to avoid
all living beings. If she is just pregnant, well she is still ot exactly
a social being who makes friends easily.

True, but if Flemeth is involved with Hawke, whatever Flemeth is doing I doubt she'll forget about Morrigan, who could be carrying around an OGB. With Flemeth possibly linked into the plot I think Morrigan will work her way in somehow. I can't remember who mentioned it already, but I could see Flemeth tasking Hawke to find and kill Morrigan just like Morrigan tasked you to find and kill Flemeth in Origins. Then Hawke gets to pick who to side with.

MoSa09 wrote...
2. Hawke is the
Champion of Kirkwall in the Free Marshes. If i understood the game
concept correct, the story is told in Flahbacks how that came to be. Sf
it's rather doubtful he travels the countryside for years and then just
qiuckly becomes the Champion in the Free marshes.

But maybe he travels the countryside building up his legend before coming to the Free Marches? Its not quite clear as of yet whether he heads straight for Kirkwall or if he kind of ends up there after some wandering as a penniless refugee.

MoSa09 wrote...
3. He flees
Lothering at around the same time the Warden leaves Lothering, so
Morrigan travelling west is still a long way to go. Once she does, he
should be more than long gone.

Good point- You figure the events of Origins takes 1-2 years probably, so unless Hawke lingers in Ferelden, the Frostbacks or Orlais for a while, he'd be long gone by the time Morrigan was headed west.

[adneate]

Master Shiori wrote...

And yes, if Flemeth is a companion I want her to be a romance option. I kid you not.

"Old Flemeth is cold in her tent all alone . . ."

[Herr Uhl]

adneate wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

And yes, if Flemeth is a companion I want her to be a romance option. I kid you not.

"Old Flemeth is cold in her tent all alone . . ."

Shapeshifting can solve all her beauty problems. And that experience *drools*

[adneate]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Shapeshifting can solve all her beauty problems. And that experience *drools*

Exactly she can become a dog, beauty factor up 200%.

[MoSa09]

Brockololly wrote...

True, but if Flemeth is involved with Hawke, whatever Flemeth is doing I doubt she'll forget about Morrigan, who could be carrying around an OGB. With Flemeth possibly linked into the plot I think Morrigan will work her way in somehow. I can't remember who mentioned it already, but I could see Flemeth tasking Hawke to find and kill Morrigan just like Morrigan tasked you to find and kill Flemeth in Origins. Then Hawke gets to pick who to side with.

if they would meet there, it would more at less at the beginning at DA 2. I doubt Flemeth has her hands wrapped around Hawke that tightly right after he flees Lothering already. It might end up Hawke has to choose, but right from the start just after that coward left Lothering, Flemeth approaches: "you don't know me, but i'll know you'll be important, so kill my daughter in the frostback mountains?". BW would not spoil such a surprise right at the story, it would be a story twist right before the end.

and secondly, you forget, OGB is not mandatory. So the explanation would have to work for all Origin choices.

Brockololly wrote...


But maybe he travels the countryside building up his legend before coming to the Free Marches? Its not quite clear as of yet whether he heads straight for Kirkwall or if he kind of ends up there after some wandering as a penniless refugee.

true. I am just assuming by becoming the champion of a whole area, he spent some more time there than just happen to pop right in and do the right thing in the last few minutes of the game

Brockololly wrote...

Good point- You figure the events of Origins takes 1-2 years probably, so unless Hawke lingers in Ferelden, the Frostbacks or Orlais for a while, he'd be long gone by the time Morrigan was headed west.

Exactly. Lothering is destroyed right after you left it and started another main quest. Once you see the map again, Lothering is gone. But Morrigan and the Warden still have three more main quests to go before even going to Denerim with Eamon. So Hawke is either dead (which would DA 2 a rather short game) or long gone when Morrign passes through the Frostback Mountains

Modifié par MoSa09, 13 juillet 2010 - 10:34 .

[Herr Uhl]

adneate wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Shapeshifting can solve all her beauty problems. And that experience *drools*

Exactly she can become a dog, beauty factor up 200%.

No, like a nug. Natures own sex-machine.

[Giggles_Manically]

Either Flemeth is pulling something big, like an overthrow of the world that takes centuries. Because every other demon plan fails that goes to fast (ULdred) or gets killed by Templars and Wardens. I hope we can see more of her in 2, and find out what she is doing.



Or she can be doing it for this:

[Herr Uhl]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Either Flemeth is pulling something big, like an overthrow of the world that takes centuries. Because every other demon plan fails that goes to fast (ULdred) or gets killed by Templars and Wardens. I hope we can see more of her in 2, and find out what she is doing.

I think that whatever is going to change the world forever is the reason for her appearance. She seems to branch out from being a local phenomenon.

[Brockololly]

Yeah, Flemeth is definitely wielding a rather massive Plot Hammer....

[adneate]

Acharnae wrote...

I just hope the system requirements for DA2 will not be extravagant...

Well judging by what we've seen so far I'd say they are going to be exactly the same. HIGH OOHHHH!

Modifié par adneate, 13 juillet 2010 - 11:12 .

[GardenSnake]

My money is on the fact that he goes there by boat. Darkspawn are in the way otherwise plus if its about uniting the city states, wouldn't Bioware want you to get the show on the road and just do that instead of stalling the player? Maybe the tutorial is in Orlais or Nevarra while Mike is traveling. Something like that.



As for romancing Flemeth? No thanks, she could shapeshift into Scarlett Johanson for all I care I still wouldn't touch her with a stick *thinks about it* well I'd be tempted but most likely not. She basically is Kreia but without the floating lightsabers and the creepy eyes. Imagine the scene after you sleep with her, she would be all cryptic and foreboding. No thanks.

[GardenSnake]

adneate wrote...

Acharnae wrote...

I just hope the system requirements for DA2 will not be extravagant...

Well judging by what we've seen so far I'd say they are going to be exactly the same. HIGH OOHHHH!

Isn't it supposed to be hey oh? Not high oh?