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[Terra_Ex]

@Addai
Choice and consequences are handled very well in Witcher, it deserves to be played for that reason alone. Geralt's pursuit of random women is optional iirc. Combat could be better but you'll get used to it. And you really should play the Baldurs Gate series Addai.

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 14 juillet 2010 - 04:30 .

[Brockololly]

Addai67 wrote...
To The Witcher fans:  I looked at it again last night because I'd like to try out a game with a voiced protagonist (other than Mass Effect which I didn't like), but the story seems less than appealing.  A grim-looking guy kills monsters and mindlessly beds random chicks.  Is there something else about the story that makes people say it's so good?

The thing with the Witcher is that its a Polish game- so the voice acting in English is no where near the quality you'd expect from a BioWare title. If you try it, I'd advise using subtitles as it makes it a more pleasurable experience.

I think there is a demo available for the Witcher, which you could try out. The combat is really bizarre- its a time based click fest which for some people makes or breaks the game right away. I don't care for it, but I got used to it. The story also starts out fairly slow and the whole naked lady card aspect is quite goofy. But if you can get through the first 10-15 hours of the game, the story does get better and the game does an interesting job in having consequences to your decisions pop up later in the game, sometimes in unepected ways. 

Its a good game if you're looking to try a different sort of RPG, but its certainly not to everyone's taste.

ejoslin wrote...

I now get what's going on, though. They're making DA2 for the consoles, and it should work fine for the PCs. That explains the voiced  protagonist (the text for DA is SMALL on my 23 inch monitor at 1920x1080 --can't imagine if I were sitting across the room from it). It's an interesting trend, to limit the potential of PC game play to the ability of the oldest console the game is being developed for.

Yeah, that is certainly what they're doing. I just hope that they don't just lazily port over all of the simplifications from the console version to the PC like they did with ME2.

ejoslin wrote...
I've  never been crazy about multi platform games. Then again, maybe the days of keeping up an expensive gaming rig are over. My guess, though, is other companies will step up to make PC only games.

I just built a new gaming PC earlier this year and given how long this console life cycle ihas been, it'll probably last for a while. Its just disappointing that the consoles are really holding back graphical innovation. Sure you;ve got nice stuff like id's Tech 5 but the hardware limitations of the consoles goes beyond graphics too while with a PC you've got an open platform able to do anything you want. 

Funny thing is that developers and publishers make more $$$ from a $50 sale of a PC game than they do from the $60 sale of a console game since they don't have to shell out money to MS or Sony. So you'd think more publishers would try and cater to the PC market a bit... I think Activision's CEO Kotick mentioned how he wants to see Dell and HP make smaller, prebuilt gaming PCs to compete with the consoles. As much as I don't care for Kotick, having more people with gaming PCs would be good- then of course though all the developers would turn games into subscription affairs I'm sure...

ejoslin wrote...
Anyway, would it be too obvious that it turns out that Flemeth gets Hawke to go afterMorrigan? And that Hawke swears vengeance on the warden for killing Flemeth? I have a feeling that we're going to see Flemeth as a  sympathetic character.

It would be interesting if you had to actually hunt down and kill your warden; that they disappeared because they were dumped in an unmarked grave.

I could see it where like in Origins maybe you have to choose between Morrigan and Flemeth- except this time Flemeth orders you to kill or track down Morrigan. I have a feeling Flemeth will be her usual cryptic scheming self, sort of like a Kreia, advisor type role.

But heaven help them if they have Hawke kill the Warden and dump him in an unmarked grave.... grrrr....

Modifié par Brockololly, 14 juillet 2010 - 04:45 .

[ejoslin]

MoSa09 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...


To The Witcher fans:  I looked at it again last night because I'd like to try out a game with a voiced protagonist (other than Mass Effect which I didn't like), but the story seems less than appealing.  A grim-looking guy kills monsters and mindlessly beds random chicks.  Is there something else about the story that makes people say it's so good?

it's just the framework for story of betrayal and power. Annd about decisons,, Geralt has to decide what site to take, if at all, and face the consequences of his actions. And you don't need to bang any girl, that is optional, so just ignore the dialogue option if you even manage to find them, as some are well hidden.

But Geralts Origin will play a role throughout the game, he is a Witcher after all.

I'm enjoying it so far.  The one thing I don't like is the way his having sex is handled.  I don't mind the meaningless sex -- it's actually to be expected (sexy, stolid man who has or may save you -- yeh, I can see that); it's the way the playing card is used to block out the sex scene.

The interface is interesting, the game itself is beautiful, and the story is compelling.  Your choices DO have a huge influence on the way things turn out.  I have about 10 hours in, and I've barely begun.  It's a huge game.

Edit: And errant_knight, I'm with you on making the game a frisbee if that were to actually happen.  I think DAO was Morrigan's story, DA2 will be Flemeth's story, and at least a few loose ends will be tied up.

Modifié par ejoslin, 14 juillet 2010 - 04:42 .

[Brockololly]

ejoslin wrote...

I'm enjoying it so far.  The one thing I don't like is the way his having sex is handled.  I don't mind the meaningless sex -- it's actually to be expected (sexy, stolid man who has or may save you -- yeh, I can see that); it's the way the playing card is used to block out the sex scene.

The interface is interesting, the game itself is beautiful, and the story is compelling.  Your choices DO have a huge influence on the way things turn out.  I have about 10 hours in, and I've barely begun.  It's a huge game.

I thought they uncensored the sex scenes for the US version? Or maybe at least there is a patch you can download if you're so inclined...I thought I read something about that but its been a while since I played The Witcher.

Funny thing with the Witcher is that runs off of BioWare's NWN engine, heavily modified of course. On ething that always bugged me with the Witcher was the repetitive faces- like every old lady has the exact same face. Its just kind of funny...

[KnightofPhoenix]

I am going to try and get the Witcher soon, cause I trust the recomendations of Morrigan fans!

About the screenshots, I am still undecided abotu the new darkspawn. On one hand, they look more like corrupted humans which is the whole point. With that in mind, I really want to see Genlocks and Shrieks. On the otherhand though, they look weirdish. Maybe it's the armor that is trying to hard to be intimidating.

Oh and I hope mage robes won't be slight variations of the robe we have here.

[Brockololly]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I am going to try and get the Witcher soon, cause I trust the recomendations of Morrigan fans!
About the screenshots, I am still undecided abotu the new darkspawn. On one hand, they look more like corrupted humans which is the whole point. With that in mind, I really want to see Genlocks and Shrieks. On the otherhand though, they look weirdish. Maybe it's the armor that is trying to hard to be intimidating.
Oh and I hope mage robes won't be slight variations of the robe we have here.

Yeah, I like the whole corrupted human look for the hurlocks, its just that in the screens, the faces especially don't look twisted enough when compared to the concept art. Its like they're just really low texture faces and as a resuly don't look as creepy as they should. And the armor I'm kind of neutral about- I get what they want to achieve with that look, but I just hope every piece of armor isn't all angualr like that.

What I'll be curious to see is how the new style looks in areas and on characters we've already known from Origins. I hope they don't retcon the look of Lothering or any of the old companions too much.

And is that mage in the screen a female? Given the use of fire, it makes me think thats probably Bethany, Hawke's sister, no?

[ejoslin]

Brockololly wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

I'm enjoying it so far.  The one thing I don't like is the way his having sex is handled.  I don't mind the meaningless sex -- it's actually to be expected (sexy, stolid man who has or may save you -- yeh, I can see that); it's the way the playing card is used to block out the sex scene.

The interface is interesting, the game itself is beautiful, and the story is compelling.  Your choices DO have a huge influence on the way things turn out.  I have about 10 hours in, and I've barely begun.  It's a huge game.

I thought they uncensored the sex scenes for the US version? Or maybe at least there is a patch you can download if you're so inclined...I thought I read something about that but its been a while since I played The Witcher.

Funny thing with the Witcher is that runs off of BioWare's NWN engine, heavily modified of course. On ething that always bugged me with the Witcher was the repetitive faces- like every old lady has the exact same face. Its just kind of funny...

I should make clear, I don't like the card; whether or not I see a sex scene is irrelevant to me (I prefer a fade to black).  The card just cheapens everything.  Sex, meaningless or not, shouldn't be viewed as a conquest I don't think.

The faces are the same, true.  I'm used to that in games, so as long as the more important characters are unique, it doesn't bother me.  Even the voiced protagonist doesn't bother me.  I don't feel like I'm Geralt, mind you; I'm definitely directing him.  But it's still very enjoyable.

[MoSa09]

ejoslin wrote...

I'm enjoying it so far.  The one thing I don't like is the way his having sex is handled.  I don't mind the meaningless sex -- it's actually to be expected (sexy, stolid man who has or may save you -- yeh, I can see that); it's the way the playing card is used to block out the sex scene.

i guess those cards are somewhat like every high scholls boys fantasy collectable. In the end, you can close to 20 different sex cards. And yeah it blocks out the actual scene, but there is an edition with uncensored cards that show the breasts of most girls Geralt beds, so while hiding the actual scene, it still shows more than Origins ever did if you want. But you don't have to pursue, and they promised Witcher 2 would treat sex and relationships more serious and mature

ejoslin wrote...

The interface is interesting, the game itself is beautiful, and the story is compelling.  Your choices DO have a huge influence on the way things turn out.  I have about 10 hours in, and I've barely begun.  It's a huge game.

Yeah, it takes some time. And once you actually reach Wyzima, it gets even better than just hanging around on the outskirts of the city. And be aware what to decide and whom you help or not, the effects might be severe in the long run

Modifié par MoSa09, 14 juillet 2010 - 04:55 .

[ejoslin]

MoSa09 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

I'm enjoying it so far.  The one thing I don't like is the way his having sex is handled.  I don't mind the meaningless sex -- it's actually to be expected (sexy, stolid man who has or may save you -- yeh, I can see that); it's the way the playing card is used to block out the sex scene.

i guess those cards are somewhat like every high scholls boys fantas colloection. In the end, you can close to 20 different sex cards. And yeah it blocks out the actual scene, but there is an edition with uncensored cards that show the breasts of most girls Geralt beds, so while hiding the actual scene, it still shows more than Origins ever did if you want.

ejoslin wrote...

The interface is interesting, the game itself is beautiful, and the story is compelling.  Your choices DO have a huge influence on the way things turn out.  I have about 10 hours in, and I've barely begun.  It's a huge game.

Yeah, it takes some time. And once you actually reach Wyzima, it gets even better than just hanging around on the outskirts of the city. And be aware what to decide and whom you help or not, the effects might be severe in the long run

Yeh, I am heading to the town now.  I made my choice there and got my pass; I have an honorable Geralt right now who stood for what he felt was right.  Maybe he's being played as for a tool, but we'll see what ends up happening.

[GardenSnake]

The new screenshots just look bad imo..... and I actually liked the JE combat system for all of its flaws. So if they went for something like that for DA2, I would be disappointed but I'd get used to it pretty quickly.

The events from Origins happening from a different perspective really have me thinking as to how they're going to pull that off. Since its a third person narrative, they could potentially have you play as someone who isn't Hawke for certain parts. Unlikely, but they did it in Origins so it's a possibility. What would really suck is if they had characters telling Hawke's story but at random points they would just mention, "Oh by the way, I was one of Eamon's generals who led forces during the battle of Denerim. But you don't want to hear about that right? Hawke's way more interesting." Buzzkill.....

Modifié par GardenSnake, 14 juillet 2010 - 04:56 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Brockololly wrote...
What I'll be curious to see is how the new style looks in areas and on characters we've already known from Origins. I hope they don't retcon the look of Lothering or any of the old companions too much.

Morrigan having her looks retconned would be uber-annoying.

Brockololly wrote...
And is that mage in the screen a female? Given the use of fire, it makes me think thats probably Bethany, Hawke's sister, no?

That's what I thought first, yes.
I am interested t learn more about the sis.
Who knows, if Hawke annoys me, my Warden will probably do his sis just out of spite

[MoSa09]

ejoslin wrote...

Yeh, I am heading to the town now.  I made my choice there and got my pass; I have an honorable Geralt right now who stood for what he felt was right.  Maybe he's being played as for a tool, but we'll see what ends up happening.

I played a honorable Geralt as well, but it will get much more difficult in the end. What about Abigail, without spoiling anything for the others, what did you do? Or not there yet?

[Addai]

errant_knight wrote...

So...everything that sucks about the upcoming game is because of consoles? Well that...sucks. No wonder they won't talk about why they made such apalling changes. They don't want to start a war.

Heh, Hawke gets into a fight with the warden, and I (being Hawke, sadly) just stand there until I die, take the game out of the computer, and fling it down the street like a frisbee.

LOL  That almost sounds worth the purchase price.

They really don't want to start a war.  They also don't want "elitists" to slam the person who drops 60 bucks on the game and never plays it again, i.e. "don't care if you're obsessed- they have therapists for that."

Modifié par Addai67, 14 juillet 2010 - 05:00 .

[ejoslin]

MoSa09 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Yeh, I am heading to the town now.  I made my choice there and got my pass; I have an honorable Geralt right now who stood for what he felt was right.  Maybe he's being played as for a tool, but we'll see what ends up happening.

I played a honorable Geralt as well, but it will get much more difficult in the end. What about Abigail, without spoiling anything for the others, what did you do? Or not there yet?

He believed her.

[MoSa09]

ejoslin wrote...

He believed her.

Me too. It will take a long while, but in the end, you will see the consequences of your decision.

[Terra_Ex]

errant_knight wrote...

So, what's up with the style of the graphics? It lools weird as heck to me. Unnatural, angular and plastic. Is that what JRPGs look like? Are they trying to copy something? Cause I don't get it. I just looks really ugly.

Well, if DA had the visual flair of say... Valkyria Chronicles then I'd have no problem with them going with trying to nail down a aesthetic style for DA.  If they can get a style that's even close to the vision put forward in the concepts I'd be happy, as it is though, it's not striking enough to stand out from the pack...
heck it looks pretty generic to me atm.

Brockololly wrote...

Oh, I don't really care what they do with the consoles either. Its just my impression from the info available is that they're focusing on the consoles first and any fundamental design changes they're making  to increase accesibility for the console users will find its way over to the PC. It just seems they're neglecting any improvements to the PC version and are only focusing on the consoles- kind of like with ME2.  The combat statements confuse me- are they really going to have fundamentally different gameplay between the PC and consoles? That just seems like a rather expensive proposition, what with having to balance and QA the 2 different gameplay systems. Which is why I think they're making changes now with the consoles in mind and simply porting over any "accesibility" changes to the PC,
without considering too much how it affects the PC experience.

That's the impression I'm getting as well, of course you have to be careful how you word it or all hell breaks loose. We won't be able to judge till we see some gameplay I suppose.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I am going to try and get the Witcher soon, cause I trust the recomendations of Morrigan fans! About the screenshots, I am still undecided abotu the new darkspawn. On one hand, they look more like corrupted humans which is the whole point. With that in mind, I really want to see Genlocks and Shrieks. On the otherhand though, they look weirdish. Maybe it's the armor that is trying to hard to be intimidating.Oh and I hope mage robes won't be slight variations of the robe we have here.

Dunno why, but I'm getting an S & M vibe from them, probably the gimp mask like chainmail they're wearing. 'Tis most disturbing.

MoSa09 wrote...

i guess those cards are somewhat like every high scholls boys fantasy collectable. In the end, you can close to 20 different sex cards. And yeah it blocks out the actual scene, but there is an edition with uncensored cards that show the breasts of most girls Geralt beds, so while hiding the actual scene, it still shows more than Origins ever did if you want. But you don't have to pursue, and they promised Witcher 2 would treat sex and relationships more serious and mature

Who are we playing as in Witcher 2, a completely new protagonist? I've been trying not to follow it too much to avoid spoilers.

GardenSnake wrote...
The new screenshots just look bad imo..... and I actually liked the JE combat system for all of its flaws.So if they went for something like that for DA2, I would be disappointed but I'd get used to it pretty quickly.

I also liked JE's combat, though the restriction to one companion at a time was not so good. Also, you the player were practically immortal wheras your companion was merely around to draw enemies away from you, by the end of the game they could barely scratch most enemies.

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 14 juillet 2010 - 05:08 .

[phaonica]

errant_knight wrote...

So...everything that sucks about the upcoming game is because of consoles? Well that...sucks. No wonder they won't talk about why they made such apalling changes. They don't want to start a war.

Heh, Hawke gets into a fight with the warden, and I (being Hawke, sadly) just stand there until I die, take the game out of the computer, and fling it down the street like a frisbee.

I hope my Warden is just not in this game. If people complained about killing their companions in the darkspawn DLC, why on earth would the devs think that any of their players would want to kill their own Wardens?

I'm hoping that the Warden is explained away somewhere. Surely since the Warden is silent, you couldn't put him/her into a fully voiced game.

Just... don't put my Warden into a game where I can't play her, that's really not fair.

[MoSa09]

@Terra_Ex: no, you will be playing as Geralt again. I can recommend you this fansite if you're interested
witcher2game.com/


its made by the same guys who run greywardens.com/

[Terra_Ex]

MoSa09 wrote...

@Terra_Ex: no, you will be playing as Geralt again. I can recommend you this fansite if you're interested
witcher2game.com/


its made by the same guys who run greywardens.com/

Fans of The Witcher will be happy to know that the story follows
directly after the first game and continues straight apace.

That's all I needed to hear 

[Brockololly]

Terra_Ex wrote...

That's the impression I'm getting as well, of course you have to be careful how you word it or all hell breaks loose. We won't be able to judge till we see some gameplay I suppose.

Yeah, I'd really just like to know from the developers if the PC is still the lead platform. Of course they'll just say they're working on all 3 simultaneously, but I've got to think the overarching design choices are being made with one platform in mind.

Terra_Ex wrote...
Dunno why, but I'm getting an S & M vibe from them, probably the gimp mask like chainmail they're wearing. 'Tis most disturbing.

Same here- Its like a Frank Frazetta/ Conan the Barbarian/ He-Man cartoon from the 80s/ Heavy Metal meets Fable vibe I'm getting. I'm glad its not cel shaded but I need to see more and especially stuff in motion before I'll know if I like the new direction. WIth the whole emphasis on angular jaggies, I'm curious if everything is getting angular though- In Origins, the signature style point of the Dwarven armor and architecture was the sort of Aztec, angular feel, so if everything in Thedas gets spiky doesn't that hurt the differentiation in visual style between cultures?

[Addai]

Brockololly wrote...

Funny thing is that developers and publishers make more $$$ from a $50 sale of a PC game than they do from the $60 sale of a console game since they don't have to shell out money to MS or Sony.

Maybe those companies have a way of either sweetening the deal, like agreeing to help market the games, or else giving them an offer they can't refuse, like tying contracts for big sports games to how many other games the company is putting out for their consoles.

[Swoo]

I picked up the Witcher and put it down the same day I got it. You folks must have a super version compared to the one I got

Back to Dragon Age 2, and being brutally honest, the graphics suck. I wonder how long it would delay a release to put it on the far superior Unreal engine?

Edit: Ah, and to the question about Hawke's Magi sister and ending up with Cousland genetic 'variations', they did give him a canon appearance, so I expect that to be the fallback answer. Handwave, we already told you what you looked like, but it's still really as much your character as the Warden, honest!

Modifié par Swoo, 14 juillet 2010 - 05:38 .

[adneate]

Acharnae wrote...

I'm a bit pissed that hawke's sister is a mage. I always play a mage
and I hate it when key characters are mages because it means I will
have two mages whereas I'd prefer two tanks.

Really I love running a two mage party in Origins. That being said in Origins characters you meet at the beginning of the game have a nasty habit of dying, or never being seen in the party ever again.

ejoslin wrote...

It would be interesting if you had to actually hunt down and kill your
warden; that they disappeared because they were dumped in an unmarked
grave.

Ugh. That would suck big time, sad thing is I can see them doing it and thinking it's bloody brillant.

Swoo wrote...

I picked up the Witcher and put it down the same day I got it. You folks must have a super version compared to the one I got

Back
to Dragon Age 2, and being brutally honest, the graphics suck. I wonder
how long it would delay a release to put it on the far superior Unreal
engine?

The Witcher was buggy and busted on it's first release they fixed it since then. As for a switch to Unreal Engine 3 at this stage, probably a year maybe two. They'd never do it though, after the fiasco of Origins EA would never let them repeat that.

[Brockololly]

Addai67 wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Funny thing is that developers and publishers make more $$$ from a $50 sale of a PC game than they do from the $60 sale of a console game since they don't have to shell out money to MS or Sony.

Maybe those companies have a way of either sweetening the deal, like agreeing to help market the games, or else giving them an offer they can't refuse, like tying contracts for big sports games to how many other games the company is putting out for their consoles.

Yeah, at least with something like ME1 and ME2, BioWare likely gets a good chunk of $$ from MS for keeping that on 360 and not PS3. But I'm sure there is other secretive shenanigans going on too like you mentioned.

Swoo wrote..

Back to Dragon Age 2, and being brutally honest, the graphics suck. I wonder how long it would delay a release to put it on the far superior Unreal engine?

Yeah its not looking too good right now. I was expecting so much more given the hype they were spewing that DA2 would look way better than Origins.Honestly at this point I'll be happy if DA2 looks as good as Origins on my PC. But its still very early in the process so hopefully things improve... drastically.

Modifié par Brockololly, 14 juillet 2010 - 05:57 .

[Swoo]

adneate wrote...
As for a switch to Unreal Engine 3 at this stage, probably a year maybe two. They'd never do it though, after the fiasco of Origins EA would never let them repeat that.

Ah yeah, I know they never would but to be completely upfront everything I've seen for DA2 so far graphically has made it pretty clear they are going to get slaughtered visually by just about any other major RPG release. It's a shame because the Unreal engine is soooo good and they already have it staring them in the face.

Edit: Brock, there's only so much they can do to that engine. Plus, all the graphics in the world won't save them from the Japanamation they are trying to slide in. I can just hear the cacophony now, 'Whatever! It's like Guts in Berserk! It's wicked! You just fear change lame forum posting type person!'

Modifié par Swoo, 14 juillet 2010 - 06:05 .