Why did you not like it?Swoo wrote...
I picked up the Witcher and put it down the same day I got it. You folks must have a super version compared to the one I got
Addai67 wrote...
Why did you not like it?Swoo wrote...
I picked up the Witcher and put it down the same day I got it. You folks must have a super version compared to the one I got
Re. Baldur's Gate- I think Mr. Addai actually owns it. But it's hard for me to go back to the primitive games.
Swoo wrote...
Ah yeah, I know they never would but to be completely upfront everything I've seen for DA2 so far graphically has made it pretty clear they are going to get slaughtered visually by just about any other major RPG release. It's a shame because the Unreal engine is soooo good and they already have it staring them in the face.
Modifié par adneate, 14 juillet 2010 - 06:20 .
Modifié par adneate, 14 juillet 2010 - 07:10 .
adneate wrote...
Well we've already seen The Witcher 2 it looks great on the RED Engine. If Bethesda gets involved and they have Elder Scrolls 5 on ID's Tech 5 engine it's going to be painfully obvious that BioWare is way behind the curve. Eclipse just is not going to be able to stand up against that, period.
Indeed, get the game installed Addai, if Barbarossa can do it, so can you.Swoo wrote...
Addai67 wrote...
Why did you not like it?Swoo
wrote...
I picked up the Witcher and put it down the same day I got it. You folks must have a super version compared to the one I got
Re. Baldur's Gate- I think Mr. Addai actually owns it. But it's hard for me to go back to the primitive games.
Baldurs Gate 2 is far from primative! I'm playing through it right now and it's just as fun now as it was then. The engine held up well, and it's still one of the better tactically sound RPGs (at higher difficulties) I've played.
Witcher,lesse. The combat was horribly clunky. The voice overs were cringe worthy. The story was incredibly bland and boring and I'm pretty sure they telegraphed the reveals so heavily that I could guess them with ease (Amnesia my ass and the Order isn't a setup waiting to happen, ect). I hear they released like two to three reworkings of the game and have been patching and adding on like crazy, but everyone keeps telling me 'Just keep playing a few more hours and it will get good!' but they told me those lies with a Final Fantasy game who's 'tutorial' took about twenty hours before I gave up.
If you like it I bear no ill will, I just did not dig it enough to keep playing. I kept looking at Bloodlines, BG2, and Arcanum and drifting into which one I should load up and play again.
adneate wrote...
Well we've already seen The Witcher 2 it looks great on the RED Engine. If Bethesda gets involved and they have Elder Scrolls 5 on ID's Tech 5 engine it's going to be painfully obvious that BioWare is way behind the curve. Eclipse just is not going to be able to stand up against that, period.
Their other major Fanchise looks like this:
Their competition could have an RPG that looks like this:
And anybody could get licence for CryEngine3 which looks like this:
And this is the best they can do for Dragon Age 2
They'd better get down on both knees and pray every damn day that they only have to worry about CD Projekt.
Modifié par Terra_Ex, 14 juillet 2010 - 06:35 .
adneate wrote...
To add insult to injury here's something to really make your blood boil.
That's Oblivion.
Modifié par Brockololly, 14 juillet 2010 - 06:37 .
The writers are insisting that it will be a Dragon Age game because of the tone and atmosphere. Gaider says to trust them, they know what a DA game is supposed to feel like, etc.Brockololly wrote...
Another side point- if BioWare is making such drastic changes to the DAO formula, why are they calling this Dragon Age 2? Obviously we don't know quite how much is being changed but wouldn't something like Dragon Age: Rise to Power or some other subtitle make more sense? It just seems like if they titled Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance as Baldur's Gate 3- it wouldn't make any sense.
Modifié par MoSa09, 14 juillet 2010 - 06:50 .
Addai67 wrote...
As I said in the DA2 forum, I could just trust them if the DLCs did not already feel like a big departure, and if the devs weren't out trashing the very things I loved most about the game.
MoSa09 wrote...
I just had a random thought: what If Flemeth possesses the body of Bethany, Hawkes sister, sometime along the way? That would add some nice personal touch to the game. And Hawke might be forced to seek help by someone who knows Flemeth and her powers better than anyone else?
Maybe, the course you can pursue from there depends if you gave Morrigan the Grimoire or not?
Let's keep it fair, this is not a screenshot from vanilla Oblivion.adneate wrote...
To add insult to injury here's something to really make your blood boil.
That's Oblivion.
Ba DOOM CH!Brockololly wrote...
MoSa09 wrote...
I just had a random thought: what If Flemeth possesses the body of Bethany, Hawkes sister, sometime along the way? That would add some nice personal touch to the game. And Hawke might be forced to seek help by someone who knows Flemeth and her powers better than anyone else?
Maybe, the course you can pursue from there depends if you gave Morrigan the Grimoire or not?
Ooooooh, I like your thinking, MoSa!
That would certainly be very interesting and provide some nice conflict. Of course since it sounds like a fantastic idea, it won't be in Dragon Age 2;)
laradenton wrote...
Let's keep it fair, this is not a screenshot from vanilla Oblivion.
Brockololly wrote...
Ooooooh, I like your thinking, MoSa!
That would certainly be very interesting and provide some nice conflict. Of course since it sounds like a fantastic idea, it won't be in Dragon Age 2;)
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adneate wrote...
They patched in advanced lighting techniques by themselves, what is BioWare's excuse for not being able to do it to their Eclipse Engine.
Modifié par Brockololly, 14 juillet 2010 - 07:04 .
Then do say so when you post the image. For somebody who never played Oblivion, that image might look authentic and it's not.adneate wrote...
laradenton wrote...
Let's keep it fair, this is not a screenshot from vanilla Oblivion.
I'd counter that it is fair. BioWare has professional artists and designers, yet they can't even out do modders working on a 4 year old game. They patched in advanced lighting techniques by themselves, what is BioWare's excuse for not being able to do it to their Eclipse Engine.
Brockololly wrote...
See: Xbox 360, PS3
laradenton wrote...
Then do say so when you post the image. For somebody who never played
Oblivion, that image might look authentic and it's not.
Modifié par adneate, 14 juillet 2010 - 07:13 .
Brockololly wrote...
Addai67 wrote...
As I said in the DA2 forum, I could just trust them if the DLCs did not already feel like a big departure, and if the devs weren't out trashing the very things I loved most about the game.
Exactly- I figured with Awakening it would pretty much be more of the same with a great story. Thats what the devs said in the build up to Awakening- that they weren't changing things up too much just building off of what made Orgins great. As we know, that wasn't exactly the case.
And then they release throw away DLC like Darkspawn Chronicles and it just really makes me wonder if the devs have any idea why so many people liked Origins in the first place. The Leliana DLC was a step in the right direction, but in light of all the ME style changes they're seemingly bringing in to DA, the Leleiana DLC just seems like a test for a more simplified, linear Dragon Age.
adneate wrote...
Their other major Fanchise looks like this:
Their competition could have an RPG that looks like this:
And anybody could get licence for CryEngine3 which looks like this:
And this is the best they can do for Dragon Age 2
They'd better get down on both knees and pray every damn day that they only have to worry about CD Projekt.
phaonica wrote...
The wasteland in that second picture looks great.
errant_knight wrote...
Indeed. And judging the reaction to that from the reaction to Leliana's Song, really doesn't work. For one thing, it's a short one-off about past history, where much of it is unchangable. For another, it's a companion, not a PC. We don't expect to feel like we really are her, more like we're seeing through her eyes--and we know and expect her voice. It's a completely different kettle of fish than voicing a PC. Also, it was very short, as were all the DLC. We can accept something simplified in a way that we couldn't in a real game. That was also why I was able to accept most conversation opportunities being replaced by cutscenes. Most importantly, it came right on the heels of Darkspawn Chronicles, a DLC so appalling that there just aren't words to express it's awfulness. All in all, it made Leliana's Song look AMAZING. On the other hand, I absolutely don't want that to be a game model. I would find it dull and uninvolving over extended play.
adneate wrote...
Crytek has CryEngine 3 running on both of those machines and when John Carmack first demoed Tech 5 he boasted that it would look almost exactly the same across all 4 systems.
errant_knight wrote...
Most importantly, it came right on the heels of Darkspawn Chronicles, a DLC so appalling that there just aren't words to express it's awfulness.All in all, it made Leliana's Song look AMAZING. On the other hand, I absolutely don't want that to be a game model. I would find it dull and uninvolving over extended play.
Modifié par Brockololly, 14 juillet 2010 - 07:25 .
adneate wrote...
phaonica wrote...
The wasteland in that second picture looks great.
Tech 5
I'm really confused who they're targeting right now. If they're going for the Bros, the graphics are sadly lacking. Meanwhile they're throwing us- the type of player to whom Origins was marketed- under the bus.Brockololly wrote...
But at the end of the day, your average Bro consumer doesn't give a hoot about the technical considerations of why DA2 looks like poo while Rage looks like it descended from Heaven on a golden platter- all the "mainstream" consumer will wonder is why DA2 doesn't look as good as Rage and thus if DA2 looks crummy, the whole game must be crummy. If thats the demographic BioWare is shifting towards, those are the expectations they'll have to deal with.
We held off because husband is off playing other games and because I was on vacation and hate Leliana. But those coincidences have convinced me that holding off on future DA purchases until you know exactly what you're getting is a good idea. They're changing too much.It tells a decent story, but I absolutely wouldn't want DA2 to be like Leliana's Song. It was ok and was probably one of the more polished post release things we've seen after Origins, but I've played Leliana's Song once and sadly I probably won't touch it again anytime soon.
Modifié par Addai67, 14 juillet 2010 - 07:37 .
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