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[Brockololly]

phaonica wrote...
I guess she could conceivably be wearing less clothing. That'd appeal to the Bros, right?

They'll throw her in a spiky metal bikini or something with really bad goth makeup... that would be so "amped up!":?

Hell, just look at Jack in ME2- I bet they go that route for Morrigan:blink:

Modifié par Brockololly, 14 juillet 2010 - 10:55 .

[Addai]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

There was a bald Qunari in Awakening that had no stumps or anything. How would one go about removing that?

I thought of him, but maybe he was half human or something.  Sten's scars could be hidden by his cornrows.

I hope that Qunari can't breed with humans. If they could I'd be a sad panda.

Why sad?

Why is everyone dual-wield in concept art?

Why ask why?

[MoSa09]

Addai67 wrote...


Why ask why?

why not? sorry, couldn't resist

[Herr Uhl]

Because I dislike how everything can have sex with everything in fantasy settings (that includes post Star Trek Sci-Fi).

[MKDAWUSS]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Because I dislike how everything can have sex with everything in fantasy settings (that includes post Star Trek Sci-Fi).

I feel ya on that one. I try to have "house rules" when it comes to that sort of thing in personal RP and whatnot

[Axekix]

Addai67 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

There was a bald Qunari in Awakening that had no stumps or anything. How would one go about removing that?

I thought of him, but maybe he was half human or something.  Sten's scars could be hidden by his cornrows.

Hair doesn't grow from scar tissue.  I'm guessing the horns quote is referencing their helmets/armor.

[Addai]

Axekix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

There was a bald Qunari in Awakening that had no stumps or anything. How would one go about removing that?

I thought of him, but maybe he was half human or something.  Sten's scars could be hidden by his cornrows.

Hair doesn't grow from scar tissue.  I'm guessing the horns quote is referencing their helmets/armor.

No, but it could grow over/around it.

I think the fact that ogres have horns is a pretty good indication that qunari have them, too.  Maybe they've found a way to alter themselves short of physical de-horning.

[MKDAWUSS]

Addai67 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

There was a bald Qunari in Awakening that had no stumps or anything. How would one go about removing that?

I thought of him, but maybe he was half human or something.  Sten's scars could be hidden by his cornrows.

Hair doesn't grow from scar tissue.  I'm guessing the horns quote is referencing their helmets/armor.

No, but it could grow over/around it.

I think the fact that ogres have horns is a pretty good indication that qunari have them, too.  Maybe they've found a way to alter themselves short of physical de-horning.

But Ogres are also much taller than Qunari. Also, Genlocks can use magic, something their non-darkspawn equivalents can't do. Then there's also the darkspawn animals (blight wolf, bereskarn) which gain physical traits when tainted.

[Addai]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Because I dislike how everything can have sex with everything in fantasy settings (that includes post Star Trek Sci-Fi).

Alien sex is one thing, but I don't think it's that complicated with humanoids.

Speaking of Star Trek, I wonder if the Morrigan banters with Sten is a Klingon easter egg.

[Axekix]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

There was a bald Qunari in Awakening that had no stumps or anything. How would one go about removing that?

I thought of him, but maybe he was half human or something.  Sten's scars could be hidden by his cornrows.

Hair doesn't grow from scar tissue.  I'm guessing the horns quote is referencing their helmets/armor.

No, but it could grow over/around it.

I think the fact that ogres have horns is a pretty good indication that qunari have them, too.  Maybe they've found a way to alter themselves short of physical de-horning.

But Ogres are also much taller than Qunari. Also, Genlocks can use magic, something their non-darkspawn equivalents can't do. Then there's also the darkspawn animals (blight wolf, bereskarn) which gain physical traits when tainted.

Pretty much this.  I don't think ogres having horns means the qunari absolutely have to as well.  If they are retconning it, they'll have to explain the 2 qunari we've already seen in game and why they have no stumps/scars. 

Not that I honestly care about any of this really...  WTB more Flemeth and/or black armored chantry girl news.

Modifié par Axekix, 14 juillet 2010 - 11:37 .

[MKDAWUSS]

Axekix wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

There was a bald Qunari in Awakening that had no stumps or anything. How would one go about removing that?

I thought of him, but maybe he was half human or something.  Sten's scars could be hidden by his cornrows.

Hair doesn't grow from scar tissue.  I'm guessing the horns quote is referencing their helmets/armor.

No, but it could grow over/around it.

I think the fact that ogres have horns is a pretty good indication that qunari have them, too.  Maybe they've found a way to alter themselves short of physical de-horning.

But Ogres are also much taller than Qunari. Also, Genlocks can use magic, something their non-darkspawn equivalents can't do. Then there's also the darkspawn animals (blight wolf, bereskarn) which gain physical traits when tainted.

Pretty much this.  I don't think ogres having horns means the qunari absolutely have to as well.  If they are retconning it, they'll have to explain the 2 qunari we've already seen in game and why they have no stumps/scars. 

Not that I honestly care about any of this really...  WTB more Flemeth and/or black armored chantry girl news.

We see more than 2 qunari in game, BTW

[Addai]

Axekix wrote...

Pretty much this.  I don't think ogres having horns means the qunari absolutely have to as well.  If they are retconning it, they'll have to explain the 2 qunari we've already seen in game and why they have no stumps/scars. 

Not that I honestly care about any of this really...  WTB more Flemeth and/or black armored chantry girl news.

You don't want to talk about alien sex?  Sometimes you disappoint me, Axe. 

From the DA forum, here is an interesting interview with a muckety muck that I had never seen before.
"This morning I did tell developers that he goal of doing triple-A
for consoles is a bad idea right now."

...sooo, they're going to do it anyway??

Modifié par Addai67, 15 juillet 2010 - 01:04 .

[Terra_Ex]

Brockololly wrote...

phaonica wrote...
I guess she could conceivably be wearing less clothing. That'd appeal to the Bros, right?

They'll throw her in a spiky metal bikini or something with really bad goth makeup... that would be so "amped up!"[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]

Hell, just look at Jack in ME2- I bet they go that route for Morrigan[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]

Terra_Ex (a closet bro) would definitely approve of this change 

Anyway, today's GI update - where's the stuff for for the bros man?! All I see is text - wtf dat all about? I need a full voiceover rite now - no way am I gonna read all that!

Ok, that's out of the system...

I notice you've taken to stalking Gaider on the DA2 threads pertaining to Morri (or at least pre-empting his appearances), Brock, and he continues to dangle the carrot, ever out of reach. fun times  

Addai67 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Pretty much this.  I don't think ogres having horns means the qunari absolutely have to as well.  If they are retconning it, they'll have to explain the 2 qunari we've already seen in game and why they have no stumps/scars. 

Not that I honestly care about any of this really...  WTB more Flemeth and/or black armored chantry girl news.

You don't want to talk about alien sex?  Sometimes you disappoint me, Axe.  [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

From the DA forum, here is an interesting interview with a muckety muck that I had never seen
before. "This morning I did tell developers that he goal of doing triple-A for consoles is a bad idea right now."

...sooo, they're going to do it anyway??

Likely in reference to crunch times in game dev that he spoke about earlier...
http://www.develop-o...-devs-on-crunch

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 15 juillet 2010 - 01:33 .

[Brockololly]

Terra_Ex wrote...

I notice you've taken to stalking Gaider on the DA2 threads pertaining to Morri (or at least pre-empting his appearances), Brock, and he continues to dangle the carrot, ever out of reach. fun times

Hey, the OP in that thread wasn't making much in the way of a coherent argument for the Warden/Morri reunion so I felt compelled to step in. And as soon as I lay out my masterful argument- and claim that there is no way Gaider will respond,  BAM! A wild Gaider appears! For posterity's sake, here is the thread I'm referring to with my reply lower and Gaider's shortly after:

David Gaider wrote...

thenemesis77 wrote...
All I would ask.....why did you let all of the timeline and this new epic story not contain our Warden....thats all I ask, I need to know this and may never know, If I get to kind of  reply from you, then I know it's  over and I need to take all of the stuff I bought from BioWare out of  the system of mine, bash me call me a **** or not having  faith.........I had faith in the Warden I made, not the DA world. So  just let me know, David and I will leave thsi frorum as you would like  and I will not return. I really need to know this.  I know alot of you  that do feel this way, won't speak up, it's ok.

1) Repeatedly making threads on the subject will not make Morrigan come back to your Warden sooner.

2) You will need to wait and see what (and if anything) happens with Morrigan in the future. Insofar as DA2 is concerned, the Warden's story is done. I'm sorry if that upsets you, but that's simply the way it is.

I may lurk around the dev posts but its always in the interest of getting more info! No sycophantic melodramatics for me!

I chuckled at Gaider's response though- its like he is trying to console a little kid...Dammit man, if we make more threads about Morrigan she'll surely reunite with the Warden sooner- right? RIGHT?!? :lol:

Modifié par Brockololly, 15 juillet 2010 - 01:54 .

[adneate]

Brockololly wrote...

I chuckled at Gaider's response though- its like he is trying to console a little kid...Dammit man, if we make more threads about Morrigan she'll surely reunite with the Warden sooner- right? RIGHT?!? :lol:

Or we get her back and then get Horizoned. I'll be honest I'm more looking forward to ME3 than DA2, maybe I'll get some conclusion there. DA2 is just so bloody exhausting to me right now, my expectations for the entire series has been so throughly destroyed that I just don't care about anything anymore. I'm just so beyond giving a sh*t they can do whatever the hell they want with that game, they can kill my warden off with no good reason, have Morrigan get possessed by Flemeth and have Leliana get executed in Orlais for all I care. Whatevs, I got Hawke and a sequel that looks worse than the original what do I need all that other crap for.

[Brockololly]

I'm not thrilled with what I've seen thus far with DA2, but I will say this: every BioWare game in which Gaider has written in, I've really enjoyed. I can't say the same for JE or ME1 & ME2. I enjoyed JE, ME1 and ME2 but especially in the ME games the writing at times is straight up bad.

So yeah, for all the crap DA2 is (rightfully) getting right now, I'm willing to give it a chance. I'm not crazy about many of the choices to seemingly simplify everything, but I'll wait and see before I give up on DA altogether.

An solid ToB style expack with the Warden and Morrigan would certainly help get me interested again though...

Modifié par Brockololly, 15 juillet 2010 - 02:24 .

[Giggles_Manically]

I really want to see some new Bioware stuff, but in 2011 we get TOR, DA2, the DA anime, and a few other projects that are hinted at (novels/comics). Sad we have to wait so long but ah well.

[adneate]

Brockololly wrote...

An solid ToB style expack with the Warden and Morrigan would certainly help get me interested again though...

That would be a great idea, so scratch that. Take that idea and make it dumber and more insulting to the fanbase and then come back to me.

[Barbarossa2010]

adneate wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

I chuckled at Gaider's response though- its like he is trying to console a little kid...Dammit man, if we make more threads about Morrigan she'll surely reunite with the Warden sooner- right? RIGHT?!? :lol:

Or we get her back and then get Horizoned. I'll be honest I'm more looking forward to ME3 than DA2, maybe I'll get some conclusion there. DA2 is just so bloody exhausting to me right now, my expectations for the entire series has been so throughly destroyed that I just don't care about anything anymore. I'm just so beyond giving a sh*t they can do whatever the hell they want with that game, they can kill my warden off with no good reason, have Morrigan get possessed by Flemeth and have Leliana get executed in Orlais for all I care. Whatevs, I got Hawke and a sequel that looks worse than the original what do I need all that other crap for.

I'll second that one adneate.  I truly am looking forward to ME3.  There will be a climax to the story, you can count on a great endgame, and definitive closure for our hero Shep (even if the plot gods determine that he must sacrifice himself for the salvation of the galactic body)...you know sort of what normal people expect out of any story, not some pale comparison to what people want to believe is a reflection of "real" life.  If I wanted "real" life and chaotic relationships that go nowhere, I do have a door I can walk through that leads from the relatively safe sanctuary of my home to "real" life, and I can use it any time I need to be slapped up side the head with the best human "reality" has to offer.

@Brock, I saw your interjection into that well meaning, but grotesquely presented thread and I have to say that was a very charitable thing you did.  The OP was well intended to be sure, but unfortunately he wasn't up-armored or remotely prepared with any semblance of a coherent argument for the inevitable crushing assault of the BW love droolers.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 15 juillet 2010 - 02:58 .

[Addai]

This sounds to me like the fortress we saw would be Kirkwall and not Weisshaupt.

David Gaider wrote...

Kimarous wrote...
I have to wonder...
if Kirkwall was originally a Tevinter settlement, has it ALWAYS been
known as Kirkwall? Somehow I get the impression it was renamed to
something more local after the Imperium got booted out. Minrathous,
Ostagar, Kirkwall... it has a slight "Aerith and Bob" flavour to it.

You
are correct-- it had a different name when it was part of the Imperium,
a name that was discarded after the slave rebellion (who hated the
Imperium for probably understandable reasons). The current name refers
to the massive black cliffs that border the waking sea, atop which the
fortress was originally built. You'll no doubt see this when we start
putting out more concept art/screenshots.

[Barbarossa2010]

adneate wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

An solid ToB style expack with the Warden and Morrigan would certainly help get me interested again though...

That would be a great idea, so scratch that. Take that idea and make it dumber and more insulting to the fanbase and then come back to me.

"An excellent idea Mr. Brock: a sequential gaming experience playing to the fanbase we gained through our Origins model; a compelling use of existing characters; an excellent leveraging of the relationships developed by our consumers within the 80 hours of in game time to deepen the immersive experience...you're fired."

[MKDAWUSS]

Addai67 wrote...

This sounds to me like the fortress we saw would be Kirkwall and not Weisshaupt.

David Gaider wrote...

Kimarous wrote...
I have to wonder...
if Kirkwall was originally a Tevinter settlement, has it ALWAYS been
known as Kirkwall? Somehow I get the impression it was renamed to
something more local after the Imperium got booted out. Minrathous,
Ostagar, Kirkwall... it has a slight "Aerith and Bob" flavour to it.

You
are correct-- it had a different name when it was part of the Imperium,
a name that was discarded after the slave rebellion (who hated the
Imperium for probably understandable reasons). The current name refers
to the massive black cliffs that border the waking sea, atop which the
fortress was originally built. You'll no doubt see this when we start
putting out more concept art/screenshots.

At least that cuts back on Hawke's potential travel mileage significantly

[Brockololly]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I really want to see some new Bioware stuff, but in 2011 we get TOR, DA2, the DA anime, and a few other projects that are hinted at (novels/comics). Sad we have to wait so long but ah well.

Yeah, we've been spoiled though from DA last November to ME2 a couple months later, that never happens. Its usually just one new BioWare game a year. But waiting for the games is half of the fun too...

Barbarossa2010 wrote...
@Brock, I saw your interjection into that well meaning, but grotesquely presented thread and I have to say that was a very charitable thing you did.  The OP was well intended to be sure, but unfortunately he wasn't up-armored or remotely prepared with any semblance of a coherent argument for the inevitable crushing assault of the BW love droolers.

Yeah, if you aren't in lock step with anything the devs are posting in the DA2 forums its like jumping in to a piranha filled lake with a lump of bloody meat AKA fanboys are firmly in control over there. There are reasonable posters over there, but they seem to be few and far between.

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

adneate wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

An solid ToB style expack with the Warden and Morrigan would certainly help get me interested again though...

That would be a great idea, so scratch that. Take that idea and make it dumber and more insulting to the fanbase and then come back to me.

"An excellent idea Mr. Brock: a sequential gaming experience playing to the fanbase we gained through our Origins model; a compelling use of existing characters; an excellent leveraging of the relationships developed by our consumers within the 80 hours of in game time to deepen the immersive experience...you're fired."

"Well, how about this Mr. Barbarossa-  how about we make Dragon Age 2 a family friendly Kinetic/ Wii dancing game! Get into a dance off with Sten, Morrigan, Duncan and the whole gang! But watch out! The Archdemon is back and he is bringing the funk- be careful or you'll get served! I mean those newfangled motion controls are just so darn neato!  When you look like this guy using the Kinect, how can you not be having fun!?"

*clears throat* Ahem... Now back to Morrigan speculation...

In this thread, Gaider recently posted this in response to people saying how the Wardens who did the DR and "vanish" at the end of Awakening got a crap ending and should have returned in DA2 (bolded stuff is my emphasis):

David Gaider wrote...

tbsking wrote...
But the fact that the Warden doesn't get an ending is what's pissing people off about it. Every ending a Warden can get - aside from dying - implies that his adventures continue.

And if they do? The story of Origins was the battle against the Blight-- which you finished. You killed the Archdemon. That's as definitive an ending as you're likely to get. The hero walks off into the sunset and his adventures continue. Perhaps he heads off in search of Morrigan-- perhaps we even pick up on that plot in the future, who knows? But if the idea is that picking up on that one possible thread as the basis for DA2, continuing the "adventures of the Warden" (which would have to be an all-new adventure since, as I pointed out above, his battle is already done), is the entire point of Origins... well, I'm not so sure about that. I can see why you might be attached to your Warden character and even the romance plot your pursued, and perhaps the Warden's story might not be entirely done yet, but it certainly isn't the focus of DA2. There are new stories to be told.

Unless BioWare doesn't want to make gobs of money,  they have something with the Warden and Morrigan brewing. They can't be that dense can they?

And I think most people would be fine with starting a new story if ALL the Wardens had some closure and finality. If the Warden was just going to walk off into the sunset, give them a little cutscene of them walking off into the sunset, saying he was rumored to have had further adventures but was never seen again- something with some closure and finality is all we want. Stories have a beginning, middle and ending- for the DR Wardens right now, there isn't an ending. Maybe there was an ending to the Blight, but if BioWare thought I played Origins because of the Blight plot, sorry the plot was the most boring part of the game- it was the characters that made me keep going.

Take Throne of Bhaal- here is the ending cutscene to Throne of Bhaal, it clearly ends the Bhaalspawn's story yet hints at further adventures. But you know what? Once ToB was over, I was perfectly content with leaving my Bhaalspawn PC behind and moving on to some other story in the Forgotten Realms- because the BG stories had CLOSURE. Compare that to Awakening- you stab a broodmother in the face and walk off to some powerpoint slides... yeah, thats not closure.

* and if DA2 uses narrators, for the love of god, bring back the Baldur's Gate 2 narrator! PLEASE!

Modifié par Brockololly, 15 juillet 2010 - 03:51 .

[phaonica]

The hero walks off into the sunset and his adventures continue. Perhaps he heads off in search of Morrigan-- perhaps we even pick up on that plot in the future, who knows? ... I can see why you might be attached to your Warden character and even the romance plot your pursued, and perhaps the Warden's story might not be entirely done yet, but it certainly isn't the focus of DA2. There are new stories to be told.

Ok, if the Warden's story is not the focus of DA2, and they might pick up on the story of Morrigan later.. does that mean they aren't picking up Morrigan's story in DA2? Or just not letting the Warden search for her yet? If the Warden's story was just about the Blight, why introduce a new responsibility for the Warden in the form of the OGB right at the end? So frustrating.

[MKDAWUSS]

phaonica wrote...

The hero walks off into the sunset and his adventures continue. Perhaps he heads off in search of Morrigan-- perhaps we even pick up on that plot in the future, who knows? ... I can see why you might be attached to your Warden character and even the romance plot your pursued, and perhaps the Warden's story might not be entirely done yet, but it certainly isn't the focus of DA2. There are new stories to be told.

Ok, if the Warden's story is not the focus of DA2, and they might pick up on the story of Morrigan later.. does that mean they aren't picking up Morrigan's story in DA2? Or just not letting the Warden search for her yet? If the Warden's story was just about the Blight, why introduce a new responsibility for the Warden in the form of the OGB right at the end? So frustrating.

And don't forget about XPs like Awakening, which was Post-Blight and still featured the Warden. From the looks of it, they were probably better off doing what they're doing in DA2 (save game imports and new PC) in Awakening.

Also, to me, it seemed like Origins was about everything but the Blight - to me, that felt secondary to all the other storylines that were going on in Ferelden. If it were just about the Blight, then why the significant development of the Warden if that were the case? It should have been a race to build the army and slaughter the AD if that were the case, and any companions you picked up were only along for the ride and nothing else.

I'm now worried that if our old companions make returning appearances, the Warden will be gone from their memories. If they were along for the ride in Origins, something like that would be plausible and possibly even acceptable, but I doubt that any companions wound up just being along for the ride the whole time.