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[Shade of Wolf]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

phaonica wrote...

Ugh. It'd make me so unhappy if the OGB turned out to be a big baddie in DA2 and my Warden was nowhere to be found. If that turned out to be true, I'd never do the DR in Origins again.

But the OGB would still be in DA2, though, wouldn't it?

Think about it this way though; assuming that the game starts directly after Lothering, or even the events at Denerim, DA2 takes place over 10 years so if Morrigan carries the child for about 9 months, or less considering that it may form quicker if it is a god then the child should be about ten at the end of DA2. Bioware might wait for another 10 year game so that the child is about 20-25 and make it into a real villain/PC/or ally. But this is all just assuming that the child grows at the rate of a normal human, otherwise anything could happen.

[Shade of Wolf]

phaonica wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I doubt the DR is going to be all happines and roses, but then Gaider wont simply write that the OGB is the Devil hopefully.

I always thought that Morrigan was so sad and passionate about the DR. Even if you are not in a romance with her, you can bring her almost to tears over it. What in the world would possibly make her break down like that?

Dont do the DR in any of my real runs so its a nonstarter.

Stupid, stupid falling in love and letting that cloud my judgment.  How does Morrigan do it? 

Don't forget the whole 'sorrow and regret' thing!! It also says after that the the Warden felt 'nothing more', this may be Morri's resolve to do something evilish lol.

[GardenSnake]

I'M BACK!!!!!!! This thread spreads like wild fire in terms of pages, sheesh. Ummm, what I will say about all of this Flemeth talk is that it would be great if Flemeth kept alluding to the DR and in cryptic convos with her in DA2 she would constantly talk about this 'great evil' that will soon make its presense known. That would personally keep me interested and maybe the end could give a little nudge nudge wink wink to the DR being important in DA3?



As for phaonic's comment about seeing Momento, I'll rent it tonight, might as well.



I'm still reading The Stolen Throne and must say that Gaider really is good at his craft and I trust the story will be great despite the Warden not being front and center in the second game, but would it really kill him to stop pulling a Kreia on the forums all the time?



As for that thing I said about gay romances a few pages back, you do have to remember that although Gaider is capable of putting them in the game, he kept stressing in the thread that I found the issue in that being a writer gets in the way of being a designer sometimes. Cutting potential romances out (straight or gay) would be a real shame if it came down to a question of money.

[phaonica]

Master Shiori wrote...

Wow, I didn't interpret that line that way at all. I didn't hear "it won't be a child yet, so you won't hurt it". I heard "after it contains the old god soul, it wont' be a child any more".

Morrigan: "Ignoring that after but one night it could barely be called a child... no, it will not be hurt. It will be changed."

What she meant is that after the DR the fetus cannot be considered a child and therefore it can absorb the essence of the Archdemon without being destroyed. But it will be a normal child afterwards, just one who carries the soul of an Old God.
Morrigan even tells you she will raise the child, which implies it will be a normal kid for all intents and purposes, although it might have unknown powers due to it's soul.

I think I understand what you're saying. That once the DR is done it will not be a child but a vessel, then once it has the old god soul it will be a child again.

I still don't interpret the line that way, though. I see "after one night, it won't be a child", meaning that from the moment the child is conceived up to the moment it has the old god soul it will be a child, but once it has the old god soul it will not be a child any more it will be changed into something else.

Modifié par phaonica, 18 juillet 2010 - 07:07 .

[Addai]

phaonica wrote...

I still don't interpret the line that way, though. I see "after one night, it won't be a child", meaning that from the moment the child is conceived up to the moment it has the old god soul it will be a child, but once it has the old god soul it will not be a child any more it will be changed into something else.

I compare it to Alia in the Dune series.  She was changed in the womb to be hyper-conscious, so physically she was a child like any other, but her mind/ soul was altered.

[phaonica]

MoSa09 wrote...

And i still believe this to be somewhat out of character. If you wanna desperately persuade someone, you would either tell him the truth in the end or lie to him to make him agree. That she keeps us in the dark is just the writers wanna leave us hanging without knowledge. At this moment, this is not Morrigan speaking but Gaider telling us "we won't tell you until a later game"

Well, as much as I blame Alistair and not the writers for handing over the leadership torch to me, I thus must blame Morrigan and not the writers for keeping her OGB intentions a secret.

[Brockololly]

phaonica wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

Wow, I didn't interpret that line that way at all. I didn't hear "it won't be a child yet, so you won't hurt it". I heard "after it contains the old god soul, it wont' be a child any more".

Morrigan: "Ignoring that after but one night it could barely be called a child... no, it will not be hurt. It will be changed."

What she meant is that after the DR the fetus cannot be considered a child and therefore it can absorb the essence of the Archdemon without being destroyed. But it will be a normal child afterwards, just one who carries the soul of an Old God.
Morrigan even tells you she will raise the child, which implies it will be a normal kid for all intents and purposes, although it might have unknown powers due to it's soul.

I think I understand what you're saying. That once the DR is done it will not be a child but a vessel, then once it has the old god soul it will be a child again.

I still don't interpret the line that way, though. I see "after one night, it won't be a child", meaning that from the moment the child is conceived up to the moment it has the old god soul it will be a child, but once it has the old god soul it will not be a child any more it will be changed into something else.

Well, when I first heard that line I thought she meant it wouldn't be a normal child since it would have the old God Soul and everything. But after thinking about it and hearing it a bunch I think Morrigan is just saying that after 1 night its just going to be a blob of cells and thus by the time the Old God Soul enters the picture, the sperm would have hardly even met the egg yet.

[phaonica]

Addai67 wrote...

phaonica wrote...

I still don't interpret the line that way, though. I see "after one night, it won't be a child", meaning that from the moment the child is conceived up to the moment it has the old god soul it will be a child, but once it has the old god soul it will not be a child any more it will be changed into something else.

I compare it to Alia in the Dune series.  She was changed in the womb to be hyper-conscious, so physically she was a child like any other, but her mind/ soul was altered.

Maybe. Or it could be born a dragon-child, or a darkspawn-child... Or a Renesmee Cullen-child (from Twilight). When I hear "it could barely be called a child" then I assume the worst  that it would be called something significantly other. Mind and soul, we can be almost sure that it won't resemble a "normal" child, but there is the potential for it to not physically resemble one either (given the obvious limitations of having to be birthed by a human).

[MoSa09]

phaonica wrote...

I think I understand what you're saying. That once the DR is done it will not be a child but a vessel, then once it has the old god soul it will be a child again.

I still don't interpret the line that way, though. I see "after one night, it won't be a child", meaning that from the moment the child is conceived up to the moment it has the old god soul it will be a child, but once it has the old god soul it will not be a child any more it will be changed into something else.

i think Brock got it right. After just one night, there is no child, biologically speaking. Just one cell and a biological process that is beginning to start. But after one night, it's just an egg cell that has recently been impregnated, nothing more. There is no child, no body, no conscious, nothing. I believe that is way that "child" can survive absorbing the dragon. There still is no conscious that could be destroyed by the very presence of a second conscious. So instead of developing its own in the months to come, the blob of cells will evolve into a child one day and simply "use", so to speak, the already present conscious or soul of the old god.

Modifié par MoSa09, 18 juillet 2010 - 07:28 .

[Shade of Wolf]

phaonica wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

Wow, I didn't interpret that line that way at all. I didn't hear "it won't be a child yet, so you won't hurt it". I heard "after it contains the old god soul, it wont' be a child any more".

Morrigan: "Ignoring that after but one night it could barely be called a child... no, it will not be hurt. It will be changed."

What she meant is that after the DR the fetus cannot be considered a child and therefore it can absorb the essence of the Archdemon without being destroyed. But it will be a normal child afterwards, just one who carries the soul of an Old God.
Morrigan even tells you she will raise the child, which implies it will be a normal kid for all intents and purposes, although it might have unknown powers due to it's soul.

I think I understand what you're saying. That once the DR is done it will not be a child but a vessel, then once it has the old god soul it will be a child again.

I still don't interpret the line that way, though. I see "after one night, it won't be a child", meaning that from the moment the child is conceived up to the moment it has the old god soul it will be a child, but once it has the old god soul it will not be a child any more it will be changed into something else.

I think that what she meant was that biologically speaking, a 'child' in the womb isn't considered a child until it has grown a nervous system and most organs ( although this is argued a lot, so don't take this as an attack!) which is why in real life an abortion isn't available after that point, this also fits in well with Morrigan's  atheism etc.

[Shade of Wolf]

Or a Renesmee Cullen-child (from Twilight).

Oh crap no!!!

[phaonica]

Ok, yeah, I finally do see how you could interpret the lines that way. I can't explain exactly why it clicked into place finally, but I see it now. I think *either* way could be a valid interpretation, now.

[phaonica]

Shade of Wolf wrote...

Or a Renesmee Cullen-child (from Twilight).

Oh crap no!!!

S/he could be a little creepy monster child that would have to be 'tamed'. S/he could grow super fast, and be imprintable romanceable.

Go Team Jacob Hawke.

Modifié par phaonica, 18 juillet 2010 - 08:59 .

[Herr Uhl]

Shade of Wolf wrote...

I think that what she meant was that biologically speaking, a 'child' in the womb isn't considered a child until it has grown a nervous system and most organs ( although this is argued a lot, so don't take this as an attack!) which is why in real life an abortion isn't available after that point, this also fits in well with Morrigan's  atheism etc.

Things do have souls in Thedas. That has nothing to do with atheism.

So unless it gains it's soul at that stage too she has done something else.

[ximena]

*revives thread*



Someone started a Morrigan group at deviantART. click here



Still new and still needs to be filled with all the ones which are in dA. But yeah... finally some kind of collection page of her fan art.

[Jacks Smirking Revenge]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Shade of Wolf wrote...

I think that what she meant was that biologically speaking, a 'child' in the womb isn't considered a child until it has grown a nervous system and most organs ( although this is argued a lot, so don't take this as an attack!) which is why in real life an abortion isn't available after that point, this also fits in well with Morrigan's  atheism etc.

Things do have souls in Thedas. That has nothing to do with atheism.

So unless it gains it's soul at that stage too she has done something else.

I wouldn't even say she is athiest I think she would qualify more in the paganism range. Where she believes in powerful spirits(OG, Fade Spirits, Flemeth even) that can shape the world.

[Shade of Wolf]

phaonica wrote...

Shade of Wolf wrote...

Or a Renesmee Cullen-child (from Twilight).

Oh crap no!!!

S/he could be a little creepy monster child that would have to be 'tamed'. S/he could grow super fast, and be imprintable romanceable.

Go Team Jacob Hawke.

Meh...I'll go with it.

[Shade of Wolf]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Shade of Wolf wrote...

I think that what she meant was that biologically speaking, a 'child' in the womb isn't considered a child until it has grown a nervous system and most organs ( although this is argued a lot, so don't take this as an attack!) which is why in real life an abortion isn't available after that point, this also fits in well with Morrigan's  atheism etc.

Things do have souls in Thedas. That has nothing to do with atheism.

So unless it gains it's soul at that stage too she has done something else.

That's not what I meant, but Morrigan is obviously an atheist (we discussed this earlier on in the thread) in the way she denies the existence of a 'Maker' and this can be easily heard in many different conversations. Morrigan is an outspoken member of the group, a study of the conflicts in the world, you can't simply state something without evidence.

[Shade of Wolf]

On this point anyway, there is magic in Thedas, so I guess we all have to remember what type of fantasy this is, even if it is a 'dark' one.

[Shade of Wolf]

ximena wrote...

*revives thread*

Someone started a Morrigan group at deviantART. click here

Still new and still needs to be filled with all the ones which are in dA. But yeah... finally some kind of collection page of her fan art.

Cool, I'll join.

[Shade of Wolf]

Jacks Smirking Revenge wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Shade of Wolf wrote...

I think that what she meant was that biologically speaking, a 'child' in the womb isn't considered a child until it has grown a nervous system and most organs ( although this is argued a lot, so don't take this as an attack!) which is why in real life an abortion isn't available after that point, this also fits in well with Morrigan's  atheism etc.

Things do have souls in Thedas. That has nothing to do with atheism.

So unless it gains it's soul at that stage too she has done something else.

I wouldn't even say she is athiest I think she would qualify more in the paganism range. Where she believes in powerful spirits(OG, Fade Spirits, Flemeth even) that can shape the world.

But we do know that these spirits exist in Thedas. OK, I will eat my words (along with Morrigan) if the PC ever meets 'The Maker'.

[bl00dsh0t]

T'would be a shame for the thread to go belly up before beating the good old morrigan thread!!! Only 1000 posts to go, we can do this!!!

I think we will be back in action once comic con gets us speculating again. Until then ximena will have to keep us busy

I've started a dalish elf archer that will finally get me the zevran romance, only time I got close to it was accidentally making morrigan jealous, boy that was hilariously cute...damn i miss the gloriously ****y witch already

Edit: Lol I can't start up dragon age because "steam servers are too busy" while all other steam games are up and running just fine, WTF. Is the patch release doing this?

Modifié par bl00dsh0t, 19 juillet 2010 - 06:51 .

[adneate]

More than likely every single Steam copy in the world is trying to update right now, I was already logged in when the update dropped so I got it in a few minutes without any problem.

[MoSa09]

bl00dsh0t wrote...


I've started a dalish elf archer that will finally get me the zevran romance, only time I got close to it was accidentally making morrigan jealous, boy that was hilariously cute...damn i miss the gloriously ****y witch already

If you haven't tried, get in love with her, take her to the pearl and offer Isabella a "different" payment for teaching you that spec. And just wait what Morrigan has to say

Oh, and make a save before that, you lose some approval

@adneate: a Liara T'Soni fan as well. Welcome to the club my friend. We have been burned twice. First Morrigan in Awakening and than Liara in ME 2. That has been a horrible winter...

Modifié par MoSa09, 19 juillet 2010 - 06:59 .

[bl00dsh0t]

adneate wrote...

More than likely every single Steam copy in the world is trying to update right now, I was already logged in when the update dropped so I got it in a few minutes without any problem.

Ahh bollocks thats what I get for turning the laptop off before going to work, blast and damnation! xD

@ mosa hehe indeed sadly my rogue archer this time around is lacking in the penis department so that won't be tested on this round ;D At least my what feels like 45th cousland run back home on the desktop has yet to reach denerim so I can experiment there. Must swallow pride to avoid just catching isabella cheating if it really is that good