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[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

The conversation where she calls him a selfish bastard and they're supposed to kiss.

Ah, I might be able to help there.  Erm... how do I send you a save?

Edit:  Top of the page screenshot, courtesy of the Gauntlet.  How come I enjoyed this scene more than I usually do with female PCs?  LOL 

Modifié par Addai67, 10 avril 2010 - 03:56 .

[blademaster7]

Ejoslin... I can send you my post epilogue save..



The conversation is still there...



And the guys who missed the last 5-6 pages or so.... if you read them you'll want to kill puppies.

[blademaster7]

Addai67 wrote...

blademaster7 wrote...

Speaking of kisses... I found another one that's missing.

The conversation where she begs the PC to break with her.... there was supposed to be an angry kiss there..

Something like...

PC: I don't want this to end.
Morrigan: You miserable selfish bastard..
*KISS*
Morrigan: You will regret this and so will I. And... perhaps that is how it must be.

Damn!

Oh wow, I just played that a day or two ago and that would have changed the dynamic of that conversation quite a bit.  As it stands, it really sounds like she hates your guts.

She does sounds like a hostile **** that hates your guts, yes. But there was supposed to be a love-hate kiss right there that changes the whole perspective...

Here's what I found in the scripting comments


-awkward... uncomfortable -- she has no idea how to discuss her feelings
-Distressed

*when she aks you to "release" her

- she is near the breaking point here -- she can't stand the fact that she's in love with the player, and she begs him to be cruel. This should be very emotional, almost unreasonable moment.

if you tell her she's insane her next line has this comment

flagged for re-recording because it had too much anger last time -- this leads to a kiss, so we need the line to be half-angry, half-seductive. Like she can't help but be drawn to the player. Grrrowl.

The kiss animation is also in the toolset but the game doesn't play it....

Modifié par blademaster7, 10 avril 2010 - 05:46 .

[dadrowranger]

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[Sabriana]

Go away, spammer. I hope no one clicks that link. You people are utterly annoying.

[blademaster7]

Indeed they are annoying. This is getting ridiculous.



I think I might have fixed the kiss at camp(the hate one) but it doesn't seem right.... Maybe i should try adding the Bella kiss there.. huh?

[Addai]

I sent ejoslin a save where that dialogue will trigger. *fingers crossed for a fix*

[Sabriana]

The best cut-scene modder I know is Charsen. I don't know if he's still awake though. He's not been in the thread for a while.

He's doing the Zevran/FemElf kiss right now, but I'm sure he'd help you out. You want me to PM him?

[Addai]

blademaster7 wrote...

- she is near the breaking point here -- she can't stand the fact that she's in love with the player, and she begs him to be cruel. This should be very emotional, almost unreasonable moment.

Aww.  Her line about a "normal woman" is heartwrenching.  Flemeth's tender touch, no doubt.

[blademaster7]

Well... I failed... obviously. The normal kiss just doesn't fit there... It's supposed to have a bit of aggression...

[Addai]

blademaster7 wrote...

Well... I failed... obviously. The normal kiss just doesn't fit there... It's supposed to have a bit of aggression...

Is this a kiss that's already there and just won't trigger?

The aggressive kiss would fit in with the direction that she is "desperate."  It's hard to imagine what my PC must be thinking without knowing what is coming.  She's been hinting a few times, but I doubt he's caught it.  Poor sod, I don't think he even knows how deep he's in it.  I pictured him at the post-coronation and it's really sad to think of him being celebrated as the Hero of Ferelden, happy to be alive, but so heartbroken at the same time.

[Sabriana]

Speaking of Flemeth, I believe the developers meant to show the player (and the PC) that Morrgian is telling the truth about Flemeth's plans. That 'robe of possession' convinced my mage on my first and very unspoiled run-through.



Blade, is there a kiss in the romance that comes close to the 'bit aggressive/angry' kind?

[Addai]

Sabriana wrote...

Speaking of Flemeth, I believe the developers meant to show the player (and the PC) that Morrgian is telling the truth about Flemeth's plans. That 'robe of possession' convinced my mage on my first and very unspoiled run-through.

I never doubted she was, though I don't gladly kill Flemeth.  She saved your life and she seems to be the only one in Ferelden with priorities straight where the Blight is concerned.

[blademaster7]

Sabriana wrote...

Blade, is there a kiss in the romance that comes close to the 'bit aggressive/angry' kind?

Even if there is I just can't get it to play so I don't know.

If I can ever put a kiss in there it will be the Bella one...

[Addai]

blademaster7 wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

Blade, is there a kiss in the romance that comes close to the 'bit aggressive/angry' kind?

Even if there is I just can't get it to play so I don't know.

If I can ever put a kiss in there it will be the Bella one...

That definitely is a hot kiss.  Almost... almost... comes up to what Zevran fans know as THE KISS.  I love the shot of the goofy militia guys gaping at you.

[Sabriana]

I have to have my dalish try that one, Addai. I hope it doesn't fargle up the romance with Morrigan. She's already at 40ish and interested. Gah! I'm such a noob when it comes to that romance. I better save a lot.

I do want to play, but if Blade and Ejo are still working on it, I'd rather wait. It seems like the cut lines and scenes make a whole lot of difference in the romance. Especially on how Morrigan feels. It'll make her leaving so much more heart-breaking and bitter-sweet.

Modifié par Sabriana, 10 avril 2010 - 06:42 .

[Addai]

Sabriana wrote...

I have to have my dalish try that one, Addai. I hope it doesn't fargle up the romance with Morrigan. She's already at 40ish and interested. Gah! I'm such a noob when it comes to that romance. I better save a lot.

My Aedan character sent her away.  He's not stupid. 

I did get the Leliana "I see you're still seeing Morrigan" lecture.  *sigh*  No one does a guilt trip like Leliana, except maybe Alistair.  But it's my fault- HNM did flirt with Leli early on.  It was just the thing to do!  Who knew it would blow up into all the drama!

I do want to play, but if Blade and Ejo are still working on it, I'd rather wait. It seems like the cut lines and scenes make a whole lot of difference in the romance. Especially on how Morrigan feels. It'll make her leaving so much more heart-breaking and bitter-sweet.

Too late for me, though I'm hoping for something at the gates.  No matter, I'm in the zone and ready to finish this character.  I never was a good one about not peeking ahead to the end of a story, and I want to see the DR play out with this background.

Modifié par Addai67, 10 avril 2010 - 06:51 .

[Sabriana]

I've never done the DR, although all my femWardens were at 100+ with Morrigan. I wonder how it will play out with my dalish. I know there would be no way he'd let Alistair touch her.

I'll do my Saturday morning errands, and then I'll open the toolset myself. I didn't want to spoil myself too much, but with all that has come to light, I better. I'll definitely check the DR conversations.

[blademaster7]

There isn't much emotion during the DR. I think that's what drives people crazy and call her a manipulative ****.



There is however one line that is somewhat hidden in the game and I only saw it in the toolset. You can say "I don't want to lose you Morrigan" and she replies with for your sake and mine lets do this.... it's terribly paraphrased but you get the picture

[TheBlackBaron]

Addai67 wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

I have to have my dalish try that one, Addai. I hope it doesn't fargle up the romance with Morrigan. She's already at 40ish and interested. Gah! I'm such a noob when it comes to that romance. I better save a lot.

My Aedan character sent her away.  He's not stupid. 

I did get the Leliana "I see you're still seeing Morrigan" lecture.  *sigh*  No one does a guilt trip like Leliana, except maybe Alistair.  But it's my fault- HNM did flirt with Leli early on.  It was just the thing to do!  Who knew it would blow up into all the drama!

tbh that's about...1/4 the fun when romancing Morrigan, flirting with Leliana at the same time. The runaround with the two them, especially their party banters, is a goldmine of highly quotable lines.

[TheBlackBaron]

blademaster7 wrote...

There isn't much emotion during the DR. I think that's what drives people crazy and call her a manipulative ****.

There is however one line that is somewhat hidden in the game and I only saw it in the toolset. You can say "I don't want to lose you Morrigan" and she replies with for your sake and mine lets do this.... it's terribly paraphrased but you get the picture

You can get it if you say you'll go talk to Alistair about doing the DR and then talk to her by the fire afterward.

Alistair's got some great lines when you try to persuade him, as well.

[Sabriana]

Yeah, I do get the picture.

She never makes a secret of being manipulative, at least to the femWarden. But I never got the feeling that Morrigan was trying to manipulate my girls later on in the game, when the approval is raised high enough.

I disliked her in my first play-through up until the mirror came into play. It showed a completely unsure Morrigan, and hearing that she never received a gift before just for the sake of a gift was heartwarming.

She is in unfamiliar territory, and her behavior shows it. She struggles to get her emotions under control, and does so by turning all 'business-like". That's when I started to look a little deeper, and that's when I really started to appreciate the character.

[blademaster7]

I just found a conversation that made me laugh really hard. Her approval must be below 70 but it's worth it.



You can say to her "we've never talked about our nights together". She takes the whole thing as a joke and tells you she prefers actions over words(aka let's go to my tent). If you play along you can sleep with her... or you can make the discussion serious.



The funniest part is that you can actually bring that topic up even if you're not at camp



Morrigan: I prefer actions over words. Why don't you prove it to me, hmm?

PC: Right here? We're not even in camp!

Morrigan: Details, Details.



I just can't stop laughing.... I knew that discussion was there but I had no clue you can bring it up outside of camp

[Master Shiori]

Sabriana wrote...

Yeah, I do get the picture.
She never makes a secret of being manipulative, at least to the femWarden. But I never got the feeling that Morrigan was trying to manipulate my girls later on in the game, when the approval is raised high enough.
I disliked her in my first play-through up until the mirror came into play. It showed a completely unsure Morrigan, and hearing that she never received a gift before just for the sake of a gift was heartwarming.
She is in unfamiliar territory, and her behavior shows it. She struggles to get her emotions under control, and does so by turning all 'business-like". That's when I started to look a little deeper, and that's when I really started to appreciate the character.

Sadly, this is true of both Morrigan and Zevran.

A lot of people tend to make their mind about them based on initial interaction. They tend to think of Zev as a murdering pervert and Morrigan as a cold-hearted self-serving ****.

It's only after you invest enough time in trying to get to know them better that you can really appreaciate the depth of these characters.

[Master Shiori]

blademaster7 wrote...

I just found a conversation that made me laugh really hard. Her approval must be below 70 but it's worth it.

You can say to her "we've never talked about our nights together". She takes the whole thing as a joke and tells you she prefers actions over words(aka let's go to my tent). If you play along you can sleep with her... or you can make the discussion serious.

The funniest part is that you can actually bring that topic up even if you're not at camp

Morrigan: I prefer actions over words. Why don't you prove it to me, hmm?
PC: Right here? We're not even in camp!
Morrigan: Details, Details.

I just can't stop laughing.... I knew that discussion was there but I had no clue you can bring it up outside of camp

If you want a more emotional response you can pick "I just want to know where this is going" followed up by "I don't know. What do you want?"

Morrigans expression and response is quite interesting.