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[Giggles_Manically]

Wow once again Gaider talks to use like we are a bunch of whiny idiots.

[Herr Uhl]

 At least some interesting news from there about darkspawn.

David Gaider wrote...

tez19 wrote...
mr. gaider if you please could clear up the following quote as i think it is an interesting point somebody made.
thanks in advance.

It's an interesting question. Where could they have gotten the qunari from, if there were no qunari in Thedas at the time?

Hmmm...

[Brockololly]

Aphetto_LC wrote...

Not good news regarding how Morrigan will look if she does indeed appear in DA2.

David Gaider wrote...

For those who are concerned:

Yes, on one level the qunari look different-- just as the darkspawn look different, or the elves and dwarves look different or any other model in the game will look different. The artistic style has changed, and that will affect everything you see to one degree or another. If you met Sten now he would no doubt look different.

Would he have horns? No, he would not. We are telling you that not all qunari have horns. Is that different than what you saw before? Yes it is. We never said then that qunari could have horns, but neither did we say they couldn't. In this case both appearances are possible.

If someone wishes to say that a change in the artistic style is a ret-con, then by all means do so. We aren't saying that all qunari have horns and the ones you saw were a figment of your imagination, but we certainly could have if we'd wanted to. Is that a big deal? I don't know-- was it a big deal when Klingons in Star Trek started having carapaces on their foreheads? Maybe to some, but speaking personally I always wanted qunari to look more strikingly different-- and I really like their new look.

Maybe some people thought whatever we had before was good enough, and if people mistook qunari for large humans then that was their problem? Fair enough, but this is where we wanted to go with it. Like it or not, the look of the game is changing. We look on this as a positive development.

 

This whole sham reminds me of Prince of Persia: Warrior Within- you had Sands of Time as a well liked game and for no apparent reason other than to "amp up" the art, you end up with the goth freak Prince in Warrior Within. I really don't give a flying rat's ass about DA2 anymore- give me a Morrigan DLC for Origins then I'l cash in my chips and say adios. I'm willing to bet DA2 will be a fine game but the marketing seriously has killed my interest in this franchise. Bravo, BIoWare. You killed my interest before when you went with NWN, you're doing it again by retconning DA.

This isn't DA2- its a reboot- I wish BioWare would quit trying to act otherwise. Its embarassing.

[Axekix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Wow once again Gaider talks to use like we are a bunch of whiny idiots.

Haha really.  His posts always have the most condescending tone.

They should hire some PR people or something.  Gaider is an awesome writer, but talking to the public is just not his forte.

[Giggles_Manically]

Gaider: WHAT people actually have an opionion different from mine!

They must be idiots.!

[ximena]

Hmmm. My interest on the game seem to fluctuate in a wild manner. *facepalm* I'm still willing to try DA2, but I have a feeling I won't be engaged with it like I was with Origins. I will stick to my fancomic and Origins. Thankyouverymuch.



Beloved Morrigan enthusiasts, let us enjoy Origins-Morrigan while it lasts. XD

[MKDAWUSS]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Wow once again Gaider talks to use like we are a bunch of whiny idiots.

There are times where I've seemed to get that vibe off him. ... but I guess that's his right to do so. It's his franchise, after all.

[Giggles_Manically]

Anyone care to hazard a guess on what Morrigan would do to the architect in awakening?



I always kill him :intelligent, tougher, talking darkspawn? NONNNOO!

[Giggles_Manically]

Oh Ximena

The vigoursly moving furniture and the facial expressions made me laugh!

[ximena]

I can't quite picture how Morrigan would react at the moment. Mind clouded with thesis. Haha. Anyway, I always kill him too. A darkspawn can only be good if dead. XD



Ohdearlord. I haven't released v2 of that parody. Because it's just... goofy and wrong. Hahaha. But here it is.







Full view

[Herr Uhl]

I feel bad for the kid.

[Giggles_Manically]

Wow your PC whose name escapes me seems to have popped right out of the 70's!



Also when my fic hits the parts with Morrigan in it would you mind giving it a quick glance Ximena since you seem to be the most knowledgeable on Morrigan and I really want to do her charachter justice.

[ximena]

@Herr



Fortunately, that scene does not happen in DW canon. XD



@Giggles



Sure, I can give it a look and help you.

[Brockololly]

I can't say I've ever been very enthused with DA2, but I'll wait and see the PC gameplay and hopefully see how the rest of Origins DLC and maybe expacks shape up. If they just unceremoniously ditch the Warden and the Origins companions, then I won't have any motivation to play DA2. Time shall tell....





@Ximena:I just picture that parody strip as like a GI Joe PSA, with Edric going in the last panel, "And knowing is half the battle!"

[adneate]

Well at least they admit it's a visual retcon, now they just have to admit that it's a total reboot of the entire series and they're never going to actually close the Warden's story and we should all just make up whatever we want since that's about the most they're going to give us. All The Warden's consequences will be dealt with by someone else, which of course bodes ill for pretty much anything Morrigan related. I'd say it could be worse but to be honest I can't really think of any way to make it worse without it being to the point of parody.

[Ulicus]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

People are angry that instead of chosing to go over to the Dark Side and conquer the galaxy Revan was instead tricked by the Dark Emperor into the Dark side and sent back to grab the star forge to help the invasion.

However Revan and Malak went rouge and tried to take power (SUPRISE!), then the events of KOTOR 1 happened.

It kinda screwed with the super Sith model people had of Revan.

No, it really didn't.

Revan is already established as being on the search for the Star Forge prior to the end of the Mandaloran Wars in the KotOR Campaign Guide, and even the JCW timeline video acknowledges he had already fallen to the dark side by the time the wars concluded.  So we know, for a fact, that the Emperor did not "trick" him into the dark side.

Additionally, at most, the Emperor co-opted Revan's quest for the Star Forge, Revan bowed nicely, got given a heapload more of Sith lore -- which is what he wanted , anyway-- and pretended to be a nice docile servant until he took the Star Forge for himself and began planning his conquest of the galaxy and attack on the hidden Sith Empire.

What it screwed with was people's perceptions of Revan as a "nice Sith" who was so uber he never even turned to the dark side and was always trying to defend them. But that was based on a bad grasp of KotOR II, anyway....

So, in conclusion, the video doesn't paint Revan as a pawn in the slightest. A pawn would have taken control of the Star Forge on behalf of the Emperor and done what he was told.

Uh, and with that interlude, I will allow you to get back to your Morrigan discussions.

Modifié par Ulicus, 30 juillet 2010 - 03:17 .

[Brockololly]

adneate wrote...

Well at least they admit it's a visual retcon, now they just have to admit that it's a total reboot of the entire series and they're never going to actually close the Warden's story and we should all just make up whatever we want since that's about the most they're going to give us. All The Warden's consequences will be dealt with by someone else, which of course bodes ill for pretty much anything Morrigan related. I'd say it could be worse but to be honest I can't really think of any way to make it worse without it being to the point of parody.

Yeah, being a fan of DA  and Origins at this point is like being in an abusive relationship. I mean they apparently think its a great marketing strategy to insult and alienate fans of their earlier products thinking that we're all such mindless drones we'll end up coming back no matter what.

I'll wait until the August trailer and until we see PC footage, but I can't help but feel the August debut trailer will end up being a massive "WTF?" moment for all of us- especially given BioWare's idiotic marketing.

I saw this on the DA2 thread on the Penny Arcade forums... I chuckled:

"Bro what can we do to crank these Qunari mother****ers up to eleven"

"Slap some horns on dat **** yo"

"..."

"..."





"****ING BRILLIANT, DO IT"

"I'll get to work writing the stupid retcon straightaway"

Modifié par Brockololly, 30 juillet 2010 - 03:44 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

If DA2 has BOTH horned and hornless Qunari, the change would be much more tolerable. But if all Qunari in the game are with horns, it would be difficult to shake the feeling that it is a retcon (even if I believe it's not, from what I know so far).

[Brockololly]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

If DA2 has BOTH horned and hornless Qunari, the change would be much more tolerable. But if all Qunari in the game are with horns, it would be difficult to shake the feeling that it is a retcon (even if I believe it's not, from what I know so far).

Yeah, definitely. But even without horns, the new ones look more like HellBoy/Daedra than Sten. I don't know- its not a huge thing, but its the tip of the iceburg as far as all the visual changes they've no doubt done. Change for the sake of change isn't always a good thing- I just think BioWare went too far with the visual style changes. Of course we'll get a more complete picture as more stuff gets released.

But if they muck up any old companions' faces....grrrrrrr.....<_<

[phaonica]

[quote]Brockololly wrote...


I'll wait until the August trailer and until we see PC footage, but I can't help but feel the August debut trailer will end up being a massive "WTF?" moment for all of us- especially given BioWare's idiotic marketing.

[/quote]

I have this sinking feeling that we'll be looking at a cinematic trailer. Unless you're Blizzard, I'm not interested in the cinematics, I want to know what the game actually looks like.

[quote]

I saw this on the DA2 thread on the Penny Arcade forums... I chuckled:

[quote] "Bro what can we do to crank these Qunari mother****ers up to eleven"

"Slap some horns on dat **** yo"

"..."

"..."





"****ING BRILLIANT, DO IT"

"I'll get to work writing the stupid retcon straightaway"[/quote]
[/quote]

[/quote]

HAHA

[MoSa09]

Brockololly wrote...

You killed my interest before when you went with NWN, you're doing it again by retconning DA.

This isn't DA2- its a reboot- I wish BioWare would quit trying to act otherwise. Its embarassing.

Welcome to the club. They finally managed that i don't even care any more about DA 2. Let them have their thing.

I suppose when He-Hawke gets nasty in fighting the Darkspawn who look like Skeletors cousins who spend some years fighting along Joker against Batman, he cries out "By the power of Grayskull", and then Bethany will transform herself into a green mabari dog with three heads and kill his enemies. And i can already see Gaider telling us: "Well, many Mabari have three heads, the best ones among then all have. Its just coincidental that none in Origins and Awakening had and that you never heard of that before. But we give you a perfectly sane explanation while you sever saw a three-headed mabari among the hundreds you saw before, and if you think we're doing a retcon, its all your fault."

And maybe the most prominent member of the Qunari, Hellboy (the one with the nice cut off horns, fits right into the lore), will fight along Hawkes side and his use favor to shape the fate of the world

If BioWare wanna go this way, i simply don't care anymore. They finally managed i don't care what they do with the Dragon Age franchise. This is just outright ridiculous and i only laugh about their foolih atemts o reboot the franchise while still claiming "you're all idiots, we're not doing a reboot, we just make it better while keeping all thats good."

Modifié par MoSa09, 30 juillet 2010 - 07:07 .

[Swoo]

Brockololly wrote...

For reference here are the new horny Qunari:




I fear for how the new Morrigan will look.....

Hey, a Tiefling, complete with the swept back horns and the Turathi bloodpainting! Kickass, I always wanted to play one of those but never got around to it!

So I guess Flemeth is possessing a Tiefnari and that explains that.

I'm totally using Bioware reasoning on people this week. 'Hey, I never said that couldn't happen, so I'm in the right, ****** off!' It's practically bulletproof, I can't waaaaaait.

[MoSa09]

hit the wrong button, double post. Ignore this.

Modifié par MoSa09, 30 juillet 2010 - 07:10 .

[Brockololly]

Swoo wrote...

I'm totally using Bioware reasoning on people this week. 'Hey, I never said that couldn't happen, so I'm in the right, ****** off!' It's practically bulletproof, I can't waaaaaait.

Yeah! The ol' just because you didn't see it doesn't mean its not true bit. I can't wait for DA3-

"Oh all humans really have a 3rd eye hidden in the back of their mouth in the DA universe... and also have hidden horns under their hair and can sprout detatchable spiky armor bits!"
"But what about the bald guys from Origins or DA2?"
"Oh, they're the extra special humans who are really rare...yeah."
"...."
"....."
"We're just making changes to DA that make it a better game. We really like where its going."
"......"
*narrows eyes and gives puzzled glance*
"DA3 will be totally amped up!"
*walks away shaking head in disgust and shame*

[Master Shiori]

Err, changes to a race that we knew precious little of doesn't mean they'll retcon how every character from Origins looks like.



And keep in mind that Morrigan spent her life living in a wilderness. It's not like she had a lot of options when it came to chose what she'll wear or what her hair will look like. Now, that she's seen civilization in more detail (DA:O) she might decide to go with a different style. As long as her face and hair color stay the same and as long as you can look at her and say "yes, this is Morrigan" than it's fine.

People change their looks even in real life and there's nothing strange about it. Sten might suddently decide to wear his hair differently and use some armor and weapons we didn't see in Origins, but he's still the Sten we know. I seriously doubt he'd have horns on his head all of a sudden.

Which doesn't mean some of the Qunari don't have horns. Gaider clearly said that those who flee Qunari society and choose their own path remove their horns, so it's no wonder we haven't seen any horned Qunari in Origins (real reason probably being the technical shortcomings that prevented them from adding horns).



Like I said before, the only character that can change drastically since Origins is Flemeth, since she can possess a body that looks nothing like her old one.

Morrigan and everyone else will need to, at very least, keep their faces as they were. Clothing and hairstyle are all subject to change and that might not even turn out to be a bad change.



Not to say that every change is a good thing, but somethimes we need to keep an open mind and not just be asume the "everything we saw in game 1 is law and cannot be touched" mentality.



As long as the faces and personality don't change things should be ok. Fashion changes all the time, no matter where you are.