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[Giggles_Manically]

Axekix wrote...

RyuAzai wrote...

So in a way, if she was set to love at the end, you could get her to cheat with on your character with your other character. I just think it'd be interesting.

Interesting?  I'm thinking more along the lines of awkward and pointless.

What the Rotwieler said.

[GardenSnake]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Axekix wrote...

RyuAzai wrote...

So in a way, if she was set to love at the end, you could get her to cheat with on your character with your other character. I just think it'd be interesting.

Interesting?  I'm thinking more along the lines of awkward and pointless.

What the Rotwieler said.

Ba doom ch?

[Giggles_Manically]

GardenSnake wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Axekix wrote...

RyuAzai wrote...

So in a way, if she was set to love at the end, you could get her to cheat with on your character with your other character. I just think it'd be interesting.

Interesting?  I'm thinking more along the lines of awkward and pointless.

What the Rotwieler said.

Ba doom ch?

[GardenSnake]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

GardenSnake wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Axekix wrote...

RyuAzai wrote...

So in a way, if she was set to love at the end, you could get her to cheat with on your character with your other character. I just think it'd be interesting.

Interesting?  I'm thinking more along the lines of awkward and pointless.

What the Rotwieler said.

Ba doom ch?

 
But on a more serious note. Does anybody else think anything substantial for the Warden and company could come out before DA2? Being forced to see Morri and the gang in DA2 would BLOW IMO.

[ximena]

GardenSnake wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Axekix wrote...

RyuAzai wrote...

So in a way, if she was set to love at the end, you could get her to cheat with on your character with your other character. I just think it'd be interesting.

Interesting?  I'm thinking more along the lines of awkward and pointless.

What the Rotwieler said.

Ba doom ch?

No. Just no. D:

[Brockololly]

Axekix wrote...

RyuAzai wrote...

So in a way, if she was set to love at the end, you could get her to cheat with on your character with your other character. I just think it'd be interesting.

Interesting?  I'm thinking more along the lines of awkward and pointless.

Ummm....NO. Seriously if Morrigan is an LI for Hawke, I'll take the disc out of my DVD drive, stick it back in the box, and promptly mail it back to Gaider with a little note attached saying "DO NOT WANT"

GardenSnake wrote...
But on a more serious note. Does anybody else think anything substantial for the Warden and company could come out before DA2? Being forced to see Morri and the gang in DA2 would BLOW IMO.

My hope is that there may be some substantial DLC or one last expansion pack or something to wrap up loose ends for the Warden, hopefully the 2/1/2011 date.  I'm just skeptical that BioWare will continue supporting Origins in any meaningful way once DA2 comes out.

But if closure can be provided for the Warden and Morrigan prior to DA2 coming out, then I'd be fine seeing Morrigan or some other companions in DA2.  I just would hate to have nothing Morrigan related until DA3 or worse, have Morrigan in DA2 but no mention of the Warden if you had romanced her. In that sense, I'm curious how the Import process will work, because as we all know, they botched it in Awakening and there are quite a few errors in the epilogue to Origins to.

Modifié par Brockololly, 01 août 2010 - 03:28 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Is it like this Brock:


or like this:

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 01 août 2010 - 03:42 .

[Jacks Smirking Revenge]

Well.. 2/1/11 is just enough time to hype up a Valentines Day DLC. Maybe a 1200pt DLC that has about 4-5 hours worth of content, but covers the five potential lovers(Alistair, Anora, Leliana, Morrigan, and Zevran) giving them each around 60mins worth of content and some romance closure for our Warden, but not totally ending his story. They could recycle zones and even give us a taste of a DA:2 zone if they chose too. Highly unlikely, but I'm very curious on what it is. They surely couldn't of got us all hyped up for an anime, so in my eyes it is either new content or the original DA2 release date. I'm thinking the latter and hoping for the former.

[Brockololly]

I think Priestly mentioned that the 2/1/2011 thing is something different than DA2- initially I figured that was the DA2 release date, but its scheduled for a release sometime in March.



2/1/2011 is a Tuesday as well, which is the game release day of the week in the US but also the DVD release date, so it could be the anime. And on the flip side of the Awakening card was an ad for the DA comic, so maybe it is the anime? I just have a hard time believing BioWare would cryptically hint at a little anime a year before its release.... then again, BioWare hyped up the EPic Bazarre too, so who the hell knows...

[phaonica]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

One thing that is nice about the Dragon Age camera man was that he focused on people's faces, not their behinds. While I can appreciate a womans padding, I dont need it shoved in my face during a convo.

Sorry, I've been away for a few hours an missed this conversation, but I wanted to comment on it. I haven't played Mass Effect, but I've watched enough clips on youtube to notice that their cameraman sucked really bad. Not only focusing under and behind various butts, but just in really not-working places. Like the back of someone's head filling up nearly the whole shot so that you can't even see Shepard. The camerawork in that game is terrible, from what little I've seen of it.

[Master Shiori]

Hmm, does anyone else think the 2/1/2011 date could be that Romance Pack the doctors hinted at?



They did say releasing something like that for both DA:O and ME2 would be fun. It certainly would be worth the money and might sell pretty well.

[KnightofPhoenix]

phaonica wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

One thing that is nice about the Dragon Age camera man was that he focused on people's faces, not their behinds. While I can appreciate a womans padding, I dont need it shoved in my face during a convo.

Sorry, I've been away for a few hours an missed this conversation, but I wanted to comment on it. I haven't played Mass Effect, but I've watched enough clips on youtube to notice that their cameraman sucked really bad. Not only focusing under and behind various butts, but just in really not-working places. Like the back of someone's head filling up nearly the whole shot so that you can't even see Shepard. The camerawork in that game is terrible, from what little I've seen of it.

One scene literaly made me laugh out loud. It's when Miranda is convincing us to do her loyalty mission. When we are asked to choose "yes" or "no", the camera all of a sudden focuses on her butt, as if telling us "try saying no to this butt" lol
I would say this is genius if the game was meant to be comedic.  

[Giggles_Manically]

Possible things for the Feb. release date:

The Anime.

An Awakening Style Expac

Another large DLC style item

Dragon Age 2

Darkspawn Plushies!



I would put money on an xpac or the anime right now.



Also if DA2 has Morrigan in it, and it focuses on her tushie for a whole convo. is that o a good or bad thing to you Knight?

[Brockololly]

Master Shiori wrote...

Hmm, does anyone else think the 2/1/2011 date could be that Romance Pack the doctors hinted at?

They did say releasing something like that for both DA:O and ME2 would be fun. It certainly would be worth the money and might sell pretty well.

Could be- As much as I love the romances in BioWare games, I don't know how a Romance pack DLC would work... its really my issue with most DLC- you take a single quest or a romance out of the context of the whole game I don't thinkI'd find it quite as compelling. And how would they do that with Morrigan anyway? I t would no doubt have to take place during Origins, unless they feel like moving the story forward, which I doubt...

[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

Hmm, does anyone else think the 2/1/2011 date could be that Romance Pack the doctors hinted at?

They did say releasing something like that for both DA:O and ME2 would be fun. It certainly would be worth the money and might sell pretty well.

Could be- As much as I love the romances in BioWare games, I don't know how a Romance pack DLC would work... its really my issue with most DLC- you take a single quest or a romance out of the context of the whole game I don't thinkI'd find it quite as compelling. And how would they do that with Morrigan anyway? I t would no doubt have to take place during Origins, unless they feel like moving the story forward, which I doubt...

You do realize they need to move the story forward at some point, right?

Otherwise we'll never get the reunion between Morrigan and the Warden. The newest DLC for Origins is moving the story forward, since it's about Warden's adventures after Awakening.
Right now we need to stop imagining the perfect scenario about Warden and Morri and start fighting to get something.
The new DLC may not be as great as Leliana's Song (which, imo, was what DLC should be like) but it at least keep us Warden alive and kicking as opposed to dropping him into a limbo aka Awakening.

And even should such a romance pack take place during Origins, there are plenty of things it could do. For one it could focus on those elements of Origins LI that were never properly highlighted in DA:O itself due to lack of time/resources.
We all go on about how disappointing the DR was for Morrigan fans. Well, what if we get a DLC that showed us more orf Morrigan's character and her feelings towards the Warden? So that when we do the DR we know what she's feeeling there and don't need a fan comic to connect 2 and 2 together.

Or better yet, why not a DLC that deals with our search for Morrigan? DA2 showed us that Bioware won't drag unresolved plot threads into full fledged sequals (unless they add something for every player and not just a few hardcore fans) so why not solve those things through a DLC or an expansion (which isn't likely right now)?
Morrigan will be back at some point, but that return doesn't mean the return of the Warden himself. Such a reunion would be handled either through an DLC or an epilogue slide in DA3 (if it even happens at all). It's up to us to choose if we want something or nothing.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 01 août 2010 - 02:53 .

[Brockololly]

Master Shiori wrote...

You do realize they need to move the story forward at some point, right?

Dude, thats all I want to have happen at this point![smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/sideways.png[/smilie] If I had my way, we wouldn't have DLC like Return to Ostagar or Leliana's Song, or Darkspawn Chronicles... all the DLC would move the story forward in some meaningful way. The new Golem DLC is nice that it seemingly takes place after Awakening, but my problem with it is that as of now, it just seems like a side quest that has nothing  to do with anything established in Origins. So sure, its technically  moving things forward chronologically, yet it doesn't seem like its  moving any of the companion's stories forward or that it has any big significance to things that may take place down the road. Maybe it does, but the DLC released thus far has been underwhelming to say the least with respect to being able to craft a compelling story that adds to the lore in a significant way.

Master Shiori wrote...
The new DLC may not be as great as Leliana's Song (which, imo, was what DLC should be like) but it at least keep us Warden alive and kicking as  opposed to dropping him into a limbo aka Awakening.

Yeah, I mean its nice the Warden is around for a DLC, but its the problem I had with the Warden being in Awakening- why bother having the Warden around if you're not going to do anything to show any personal growth for the  Warden? I mean, at  the start of Origins to the end of Origins, your Warden changes in many  ways. Can the same be said for Awakening or any DLC? Not really- in Awakening the Warden (or Orlesian Warden for that matter) is just an empty sack going around killing stuff. You hardly have the  chance for any character development of the Warden.

So yeah, its nice the Warden's story is technically moving forward with the new DLC, but it doesn't seem to me that this story isn't something that any other bloke couldn't deal with. Maybe its just my cynical side, but at  least with the new DLC it seems like its just BioWare marketing pushing "Hey! Don't want to be Hawke? Play as your Warden in this new DLC!"- not realizing  that the reason I want to play as the Warden again is to interact with  the Origins companions again- not to grind through the Deep  Roads.....again.

Master Shiori wrote...
Or better yet,  why not a DLC that deals with our search for Morrigan? DA2 showed us  that Bioware won't drag unresolved plot threads into full fledged  sequals (unless they add something for every player and not just a few  hardcore fans) so why not solve those things through a DLC or an  expansion (which isn't likely right now)?  Morrigan will be back at  some point, but that return doesn't mean the return of the Warden  himself. Such a reunion would be handled either through an DLC or an  epilogue slide in DA3 (if it even happens at all). It's up to us to  choose if we want something or nothing.

I'd love a search for Morrigan DLC. I definitely want something but at the same time I don't just want to be clamoring for something only to have it be subpar and simply leave an even worse taste in my mouth than what we've got now. And in my view at least, the DLC and Awakening have done more to hurt my view of DA than it has to make me  want more. Leliana's Song was a step in the right direction, but even  that wasn't too terribly remarkable. If it comes down to it, I'd gladly  pay more for a more polished DLC experience.

At the end of the day, I'm putting my faith in BioWare that they have the sense to realize the Warden/Morrigan romance ending straight up sucks- The Warden is treated like a damn mushroom, being fed s*** and kept in the dark as to Morrigan's plans or why she feels compelled to leave and the Warden just has to sit there and nod his head. And the icing on the cake is that "Oh! I'll choose to search for Morrigan!" only to thus far not be able to pick up that glaring loose end.

As nefarious as Gaider may be, he knows people want resolution to the Morrigan/Warden story and I'd sincerely hope BioWare isn't as straight up stupid not to realize that continuing that plot would likely be a fairly good selling proposition. Then again, its not Gaider calling the shots- its Darrah and Laidlaw, who given the world focus on DA now, I don't know they really give a damn about characters beyond being plot instruments.

All I know is that if we don't get resolution to the Warden/Morrigan romance before DA2 comes out or we don't get word of it ever being resolved, I'll lose a whole lot of respect for BioWare, not as a video game company, but as far as being able to tell a good story. Because as of now, for the Wardens that did the DR, their story isn't over so long as Morrigan and the OGB are still around.

Modifié par Brockololly, 01 août 2010 - 03:32 .

[Master Shiori]

If Gaider does give us the much wanted reunion between Morri and the Warden he'll do it for the same reason he gave us the Ascension ending in ToB: because he cares about the fans.

If DA2 sells even a few thousand copies over Origins that's the point when you can cross out your Warden for good. Because nobody will bother with him/her after the "awesomeness" that is Hawke proves to be a financial success.

DA2 is a lost battle for those of us who want a continuity and a resolution to the Warden's story. The best we can do now is keep letting Bioware know that these things matter to us and hope they get the point and give us something before DA3.

If they don't than the best case scenario you're looking at in DA3 is to have an epilogue slide or 2 that mentions Morrigan going back to the Warden. They keep saying her story isn't over which mean more Morri at some point, but doesn't mean her seeing the Warden again.

The only bright spot in all this mess is Gaider hinting they might give us the reunion we crave for, which isn't even certain at this point.

So we need to keep pressing the issue ever now and then in order to draw out more info and let the devs know what we want. If we're stubborn enough (or lucky) we might just do it.

[Giggles_Manically]

Good master Shiori has a point:

Mass Effect fans convinced Bioware to make Tali and Garrus LI in ME2 with all their posts.



Hopefully we can pull this off in regards for the warden returning.

[Master Shiori]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Good master Shiori has a point:
Mass Effect fans convinced Bioware to make Tali and Garrus LI in ME2 with all their posts.

Hopefully we can pull this off in regards for the warden returning.

I'm not sure we can ever have another Da title where we play as the Warden.

We shouldn't create entire topics of "We want the Warden back" but rather, should use any oportunity where the devs are talking to us to remind them of our choices in Origins and to ask for a resolution to the whole "Morri+Warden" story as well as DR.

If we do it in a civil manner we just might get what we want in a DLC.

ME is done by a different team so something that worked there won't necesserily work with Gaider and co.

What we need to do now is not bash the changes in DA2 (since those are already a done deal and cannot be changed at this point) but rather ask about things that do matter like: "Will our romance with Morrigan be acknowledged in DA2?", "Will Morrigan remember the Warden and the DR?".

And most importantly, we need to finally get someone to reveal what the whole "Warden's story isn't over" line even means. More Warden related DLC for Origins? A possibility of Warden coming back in the future?

Lastly, we need a clear answer on the possibility of a reunion between him and Morri.

[Brockololly]

Agreed Shiori. It just seems to me that they have much of the DA stuff pre-planned out as far as potential stories go. Maybe the Warden does fit into those somewhere down the road. But our best bet in the short term is with DLC or an Expack.



Sure, bombarding the writers with Morrigan/Warden requests will only help so much though- they no doubt realize the demand is there, but its not up to them. Its up to Darrah and Laidlaw and the higher ups to determine what content gets made. Maybe we should all just PM Melo or Ferret Baudoin about Morrigan DLC since that seems to be their area of control...

[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...

Agreed Shiori. It just seems to me that they have much of the DA stuff pre-planned out as far as potential stories go. Maybe the Warden does fit into those somewhere down the road. But our best bet in the short term is with DLC or an Expack.

Sure, bombarding the writers with Morrigan/Warden requests will only help so much though- they no doubt realize the demand is there, but its not up to them. Its up to Darrah and Laidlaw and the higher ups to determine what content gets made. Maybe we should all just PM Melo or Ferret Baudoin about Morrigan DLC since that seems to be their area of control...

That's it.

These guys aren't holled up in some office between title releases. They're out there talkign to online magazines, game sites, etc.

This is where we need to ask the really important questions. Greg already said Bioware doesn't really pay much attention to these forums since most of the time it's all complaints, trolls and insults.

If Darrah, Laidlaw or even the doctors hear people asking about Morrigan and Warden (as in "will our choice to romance Morri and have the OGB with her be recognized? You gave me the option of goign after Morrigan in Awakening. Will you ever follow up on that in some way?").

When the official NWN1 campaign was out people loved Aribeth and were pissed off with how that romance ended. By always bringing it up they got some form of resolution in HotU. Yes, it wasn't perfect but it happened. Same for all those maniacs who cried for Tali to be a LI in ME2.

As long as we're respectful and civil we'll be heard. 

It's already happening bit by bit. A few weeks ago nobody was talking about Morrigan or DR. Now we have several high ranking staff at Bioware saying how Morrigan will be back and even Gaider hinting at Warden finding her.
Hopefully, they'll keep going in that direction with our support.

[Brockololly]

Master Shiori wrote...

If Darrah, Laidlaw or even the doctors hear people asking about Morrigan and Warden (as in "will our choice to romance Morri and have the OGB with her be recognized? You gave me the option of goign after Morrigan in Awakening. Will you ever follow up on that in some way?").

Right- it has to be the IGN, Gamespot and all those "journalists" that ask those questions. Yet I have zero faith that most of those meatbags would ask many thoughtful questions like that. I think its safe to say that BioWare knows people want to see more Morrigan, the important question is whether or not we'll see Morrigan together with the Warden ever again or if Morrigan will be changed at all from her relationship with the Warden going forward or if we'll simply have some stock Morrigan in DA2 and beyond.

Master Shiori wrote...
As long as we're respectful and civil we'll be heard. 

It's already happening bit by bit. A few weeks ago nobody was talking about Morrigan or DR. Now we have several high ranking staff at Bioware saying how Morrigan will be back and even Gaider hinting at Warden finding her.
Hopefully, they'll keep going in that direction with our support.

I'd like to think BioWare would get it, but at the same time, they seem intent on ignoring the gaming populace and just doing their own thing, just to make a "review proof" game. But like I've said a million times it seems, the Morrigan/Warden romanc and the OGB is something that needs resolution with the Warden- not some other hero.

Modifié par Brockololly, 01 août 2010 - 08:09 .

[bl00dsh0t]

I think we can blame the wardenlessness of DA2 solely on one factor: That f*cking voiceover... I mean how weird would it be to import the warden and suddenly having a voice different from the one we had in our head? Ahh well I'm all raged out over this crap, reading brock's rants are a good way to let the rage loose



At least the new dlc seems like something worth getting. Im itching to grab lvl 35 aedan and stick the bastard in a fight where he might actually drop ;D Then again there are already a few mods out there that make nightmare mode seem like beating a toddler with a baseball bat...weird imagery...weird...nvm...



If anyone feels like some hardcore DAO mmo parody that is very nice and challenging try classic week: http://social.biowar...m/project/2647/ This sucker is a nailbiter. Haven't gotten very far but wherever you go at first you will get your ass handed to ya, trust me

[Axekix]

Master Shiori wrote...


It's already happening bit by bit. A few weeks ago nobody was talking about Morrigan or DR. Now we have several high ranking staff at Bioware saying how Morrigan will be back and even Gaider hinting at Warden finding her.

I missed this.  Anybody have a link? 

[Brockololly]

Axekix wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...


It's already happening bit by bit. A few weeks ago nobody was talking about Morrigan or DR. Now we have several high ranking staff at Bioware saying how Morrigan will be back and even Gaider hinting at Warden finding her.

I missed this.  Anybody have a link? 

Right here:

David Gaider wrote...

tbsking wrote...
But the fact that the Warden doesn't get an ending is what's pissing people off about it. Every ending a Warden can get - aside from dying - implies that his adventures continue.

And if they do? The story of Origins was the battle against the Blight-- which you finished. You killed the Archdemon. That's as definitive an ending as you're likely toget. The hero walks off into the sunset and his adventures continue. Perhaps he heads off in search of Morrigan-- perhaps we even pick up on that plot in the future, who knows? But if the idea is that picking up on that one possible thread as the basis for DA2, continuing the "adventures of the Warden" (which would have to be an all-new adventure since, as I pointed out above, his battle is already done), is the entire point of Origins... well, I'm not so sure about that. I can see why you might be attached to your Warden character and even the romance plot your pursued, and perhaps the Warden's story might not be entirely done yet, but it certainly isn't the focus of DA2. There are new stories to be told.

Modifié par Brockololly, 01 août 2010 - 10:00 .