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[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...

So Gaider responded in usual brisk fashion to this thread:

David Gaider wrote...

"Always leave them wanting more."

Closure is for suckers.

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To which I comment on Gaider's status page:

You enjoy tormenting us poor Morrigan fans, don't you?

Whereby Gaider replies:

Sometimes you just have to throw a rock at the hornet's nest.

And then Laidlaw adds to the thread:

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Dammit man, Laidlaw comes in and instills a little hope only for Darth Gaider  to bust down the door and force choke the hope out of the poor Morrigan romancing Wardens and Morrigan fans.

This is the key to Dragon Age: Gaider and Laidlaw locked in a Balrog-and-Galdalf-like duel as we plunge through the burning heart of Thedas.

Someone should really get on drawing that, and try to work a chrome griffon playing an electric guitar into the background somewhere.

There is an idea for you Ximena!

Heh, they're just pulling the good cop/bad cop routine on us for fun.

By now everyone at Bioware and their mother know how much we love Morrigan and that we want our Warden(s) to find her.

This reminds me of that Warden's Calling trailer when we threw in "New ****" just for fun and everyone went up in arms saying "OMG! They're putting in Marilyn Mason music into the game!".

Really, we need to take a deep breath and remember that people at Bioware aren't serious all the time. Sometimes they'll just post something to rill us up and have a few laughs.

Gaider especially likes playing at being evil. Not that I blame him. When you need to deal with so many trolls, bros or outright idiots on these forums you need to let yourself unwind once in a while.

[ximena]

Well, being evil to fans... is rather enjoyable. XD *looks at the comments on her deviantart page*



*cough* Anyway, haha. Brock. I'd rather make more DW pages though. XD

[Nighwolfa]

Tbh, to ignore the need to finish the story line and the community wouldnt be wise on there part, so i assume there is some truth in what mike says.

[Nighwolfa]

And the time it was written was in the middle of a serious discussion and not comedy banter.

[Nighwolfa]

Nighwolfa wrote...



Just though i would add a link to a counter-part forum, to the same point of effect as this one. Please check and comment on both.



social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/47/index/1798678/268#4373805

I've linked this thread from my thread, so hopefully people can see/comment on both.

[Jarlof Seoul]

Nighwolfa wrote...

Possible title for an expansion with regards the god baby, Dragon Age: The Tainted Prince.
or Dragon Age: The Dark Prince

How about Dragon Age: the Search for the Uncorrupted?

...since OGB is free from that which corrupted the old gods...

[Nighwolfa]

Yeh, I'd like to think all that work of breaking down morrigans barriers would be rewarded at the end of the story at least in some way for closure.

[Nighwolfa]

Ofc if thats the route you take, im not saying it should end like that for every senario

[bl00dsh0t]

Well lads hate to burst your bubble but since the OGB is not considered a canon, i.e. it is not standardized as the one way the story ends, an expansion based solely on morrigan and the ogb is very unlikely. Then again they have done the alternate universe crap with darkspawn chronicles...but no it is not going to happen xD OGN centric expansion is just too damn narrow, too many wouldn't want to play it and scream for the annihilation of bioware because their choices were not respected

[Nighwolfa]

It's not a case of won't happen its more of a case of when and in what form.

[Giggles_Manically]

Well 70% who responded in the ending polls I put up, did the DR. While it shows only about 240 or so people, it does show that among forum goers it is the most often taken.



Me I always get Loghain Redeemer endings, my first time it was between me, Alistair, and the DR so sadly my story ended with a bang. Knowing Bioware now, the OGB and Morigan are going to be some evil force he has to smite, in a sidequest to boot that takes him five minutes.

[Nighwolfa]

I'm pretty sure they could just add some nasty stuff to kill and make it into a small exp. even make some money from doing it I for one would buy that exp

[Master Shiori]

bl00dsh0t wrote...

Well lads hate to burst your bubble but since the OGB is not considered a canon, i.e. it is not standardized as the one way the story ends, an expansion based solely on morrigan and the ogb is very unlikely. Then again they have done the alternate universe crap with darkspawn chronicles...but no it is not going to happen xD OGN centric expansion is just too damn narrow, too many wouldn't want to play it and scream for the annihilation of bioware because their choices were not respected

Oh come on. Everybody did the DR at least once, even if it was justr for the achievement.

Yes, I know some people want their US Warden to be canon or the one where Alistair/Loghain died, but that doesn't mean you can't have a DLC/expansion that focuses on DR.

Hell, we had Darkspawn Chronicles that focued on AU for goodness sake!

Also, not everyone loves Leliana either but that didn't stop them from releasing Leliana's Song DLC.

A reunion between Warden and Morrigan would certainly work better as DLC content, but even an expansion wouldn't be a wrong choice.
Right now nobody except Bioware know how many people did DR as opposed to US, Warden Commnader or Redeemer endings. Since they're dead set on bringing Morrigan back and are even hinting at the possibility of having a reunion between her and the Warden, we can conclude that enough have.
Othewise, why bother with her if most people never liked her to begin with?

Bioware does things that sell well. As log as there's a potential for $$ they'll do it.

[Brockololly]

bl00dsh0t wrote...

Well lads hate to burst your bubble but since the OGB is not considered a canon, i.e. it is not standardized as the one way the story ends, an expansion based solely on morrigan and the ogb is very unlikely. Then again they have done the alternate universe crap with darkspawn chronicles...but no it is not going to happen xD OGN centric expansion is just too damn narrow, too many wouldn't want to play it and scream for the annihilation of bioware because their choices were not respected

I wouldn't go that far. BioWare is going to make whatever the hell they want to make. If they want to make an alternate universe DLC where you play as darkspawn- did it. How about a flashback story where you play as Leliana? Did it. 

I don't think its at all out of the realm of possibility they make a DLC or an expack that centers around Morrigan. Even if you didn't do the DR you could still have your Warden survive, and even if you didn't have the Warden survive, the Orlesian Warden might get orders from Weisshaupt to investigate the disappearance of the strange apostate that travelled with the Hero Of Ferelden. The question is whether we'll just ened up with a cookie cutter version of Morrigan should we get the chance to meet back up with her? It really depends on how much work BIoWare wants to put into it...

As far as canon, goes- there is no canon- neither the US or OGB are canon. So while an OGB expansion might not be likely, a Morrigan expansion could be- and maybe the OGB figures into it that way.

[Brockololly]

Master Shiori wrote...
Othewise, why bother with her if most people never liked her to begin with?

On the flip side, they brought back Oghren as a "fan favorite"....

[Giggles_Manically]

Bioware seems to think that we are bros at this point.



I wanted Shale in Awakening personally, but whatevs.

[Brockololly]

Seriously, any companion BUT Oghren would have been fantastic. Shale, Zev, Leliana, Dog, Alistair, Loghain, Morrigan, Wynne- anyone would have been better than Oghren.



My thinking is that the reason they picked Oghren though was that while possible to kill him off, it took quite a bit of effort to do so. I mean, basically, the only 2 un-killable companions were Morrigan and Oghren.

[Nighwolfa]

She is the strongest char in the game imo, from the start she is very powerfull, if u get her to full romance, she has all 4 plot buffs she does majo dmg very handy, i see they have left open here alot of potential in the future, i dont see why they wouldnt exploit that, that being said alot of demand from fans for a return, like they are gonna pass over the oppertunity to make more money off the market from her. Its like looking a gift horse in the mouth.

Modifié par Nighwolfa, 07 août 2010 - 03:17 .

[Cat Fancy]

Brockololly wrote...

Seriously, any companion BUT Oghren would have been fantastic. Shale, Zev, Leliana, Dog, Alistair, Loghain, Morrigan, Wynne- anyone would have been better than Oghren.

My thinking is that the reason they picked Oghren though was that while possible to kill him off, it took quite a bit of effort to do so. I mean, basically, the only 2 un-killable companions were Morrigan and Oghren.

How can you kill Oghren? Can you kill Oghren? Whoa. I actually liked him a lot in Origins, but he was just terrible in Awakening, of course. I did think he made the most sense as the character who would come back- people would get super-offended if it were a love interest, and come on, Wynne? WYNNE? I also find Sten kind of boring and one-dimensional (whereas Oghren is sometimes funny and one-dimensional). Don't know what's up with Dog disappearing, aside from the fact that he's kind of limited in combat.

Anyway, Morrigan: what a card. THERE'S your discussion and research.

[Giggles_Manically]

Why , Alistair, and Dog never show up while Al is still a warden makes no freaking sense at all.

Also I miss dog he was awsome.

[Brockololly]

umwhatyousay wrote...

How can you kill Oghren? Can you kill Oghren? Whoa. I actually liked him a lot in Origins, but he was just terrible in Awakening, of course. I did think he made the most sense as the character who would come back- people would get super-offended if it were a love interest, and come on, Wynne? WYNNE? I also find Sten kind of boring and one-dimensional (whereas Oghren is sometimes funny and one-dimensional). Don't know what's up with Dog disappearing, aside from the fact that he's kind of limited in combat.

I 've never pissed off Oghren enough, but I think if his approval gets low enough he'll fight you and its possible to kill him. But I've never seen that myself. Honestly, more often than not, you have to try really hard to get your companions to hate you- outside of maybe Wynne or Leliana at the Ashes or killing Zev.

But sure, assuming you didn't kill off anyone in Origins, Sten was going back to Qunari Land, Wynne and Shale were likely going to Tevinter (yet Wynne shows up even though she should be dead- with the whole spirit thing).
Oghren wasn't bad in Origins, but they just made him the Jar Jar Binks comic relief in Awakening.

But so long as you played as the Warden, there isn't any reason your faithful Mabari shouldn't have been there. Its oversights like that that make me think they just shoved the option to import your Warden in at the last second...

Modifié par Brockololly, 07 août 2010 - 03:50 .

[bl00dsh0t]

 @shiori yes ffs I agree, but frankly making an expansion of length worthy of the ogb plot is something bioware is very unlikely to do. Sure they blew off the US ending in awakening and just look at the backlash that gave them. We cannot view the forum as a statistically sound representation of the over 3 million people that played the game. Besides of the people I know who do not dwell in these forums that have played dao not a single one has played the game more than once. And these guys are pretty gamin heavy individuals, 2 of which were huge baldurs gate fans that followed origins from the very beginning of the development. Still they finished the game only once. 

The problem with the ogb story is that it is one of 4 endings, while surely these 4 endings all happen at varying frequencies and the OGB one most likely is the most prominent, that it is still somewhat redicolous to propose and expansion pack that is only valid in one of four endings of a game. 

Don't misunderstand me here, I'm as much of a morrigan addict as anyone in here and want a good resolution to this worthy of the story it can be... I just don't see them pulling it off well anymore because they cannot do it the way it must be done to allow for all the options that expansion should offer to satisfy as many players as possible. I.e. you should be able to either harm her and the ogb, help them or be somewhat neutral, the kinda standard bioware choices. But what I fear is that it will be a 1-2 hour dlc where this choice has to be made, of which it will most likely be 50% combat, 40% running around and 10% actual dialogue.

Im sorry but my optimism threw itself of a cliff last night 

Modifié par bl00dsh0t, 07 août 2010 - 03:57 .

[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...

umwhatyousay wrote...

How can you kill Oghren? Can you kill Oghren? Whoa. I actually liked him a lot in Origins, but he was just terrible in Awakening, of course. I did think he made the most sense as the character who would come back- people would get super-offended if it were a love interest, and come on, Wynne? WYNNE? I also find Sten kind of boring and one-dimensional (whereas Oghren is sometimes funny and one-dimensional). Don't know what's up with Dog disappearing, aside from the fact that he's kind of limited in combat.

I 've never pissed off Oghren enough, but I think if his approval gets low enough he'll fight you and its possible to kill him. But I've never seen that myself. Honestly, more often than not, you have to try really hard to get your companions to hate you- outside of maybe Wynne or Leliana at the Ashes or killing Zev.

But sure, assuming you didn't kill off anyone in Origins, Sten was going back to Qunari Land, Wynne and Shale were likely going to Tevinter (yet Wynne shows up even though she should be dead- with the whole spirit thing).
Oghren wasn't bad in Origins, but they just made him the Jar Jar Binks comic relief in Awakening.

But so long as you played as the Warden, there isn't any reason your faithful Mabari shouldn't have been there. Its oversights like that that make me think they just shoved the option to import your Warden in at the last second...

How would Dog, Alistair, Zevran or Leliana showing up at Vigil's Keep make any sense for an Orlesian Warden Commander?

All of them would come to the aid of our Origins Warden easily, but why bother if he/she isn't there?

The only reason Oghren was there as opposed to anyone else is because he was expendable so nobody would shed a tear if they never used him again post Awakening.

It's nothing to do with bad implementation and everything to do with getting rid of excess baggage.

[Addai]

Warden Alistair has plenty of reason to show up at the Keep, and any one of the companions has as much reason as Wynne to turn up in Amaranthine.  Edit:  Although I think they are setting up something for DA2 there, with the mages meeting in Cumberland.

Modifié par Addai67, 07 août 2010 - 04:00 .

[Master Shiori]

Addai67 wrote...

Warden Alistair has plenty of reason to show up at the Keep, and any one of the companions has as much reason as Wynne to turn up in Amaranthine.  Edit:  Although I think they are setting up something for DA2 there, with the mages meeting in Cumberland.

Most of the companions had stuff to do elsewhere.

The only one who didn't have anyting special going on was Oghren.


I'm also curious about the meeting of Colleges of Magi in Cumberland. Makes me wonder if we'll see some refference to it in DA2...