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[Brockololly]

Tellervo wrote...
And I seriously second those thoughts on the DLC. I learned my lesson after buying Awakening on day of release. Until I see a familiar, friendly face or hear something earth-shatteringly epic, I've given up on all that jazz. DA:O seems to be like a novel, albeit one you thought was going to start a series with all this epic stuff left hanging (Morri's plot in particular), but then the author just kind of tra-la-las off in a different direction with subsequent short stories and books.

Yeah, I was all hyped that maybe thee would be a mention of Morrigan in Awakening- but nothing. And hardly any mention of the other companions either. The only DLC or expacks I'll be touching is stuff that actually has a story to tell and isn't just a 30 minute grind...

Giggles_Manically wrote...
That raises the point though, what is Morrigan doing in Orlasis without the DR having been done?

Good question. Its deep in this thread somewhere I'm sure, but whatever you do, Morrigan always ends up headed west over the frostbacks to Orlais. If you didn't do anything with her and get her knocked up even with a normal child, she insinuates herself in the Court of Orlais. I can only imagine it has something to do with power- but I never would have pictured Morrigan getting along in High Society given her disdain for societal norms like hand shaking or anything.

The fact that there is the "Urthemiel Plateau" right near Orlais can't be a coincidence though....

adneate wrote..

The higher price the better, as crazy as that sounds. The $5 DLCs have been wothless garbage without fail, Leliana's Song was $7 and dispite it's  flaws was actually worth the money and good. Warden's Keep was also $7  and it's the only piece of DLC to follow the expectional KotN blueprint. Shale is probably $7 as well but since EA wanted to use it as a way to  screw over the second hand market they jacked the price way up. If they  try to wrap up a Warden Morrigan story on a $5 DLC budget . . . I  shudder to think of what they would do I doubt they'd even bring in Claudia Black. Yeah it would be that bad.

Yeah, I've only gotten Shale, Warden's Keep, Leliana's Song and Awakening. WK and LS were a bit short, but they actually had a story so I didn't mind. But yeah, if whatever DLC they may or may not have planned is just some dinky wrap up DLC just for the sake of wrapping things up- I won't be happy. The Warden/Morrigan reunion, should it happen is more than just saying hi and bye- you've potentially got the OGB kicking around! What were Morrigan's plans? Ugh.....

phaonica wrote...

If we don't get an expansion, if we "just" get a DLC, then I'd assume the  story would be pretty simple with not a lot of conflict. I could tell  you what my expectations would be, but they'd be pretty low. What I'd  personally like is a story where the OBG turns out to be kind-of-a-big  deal, for better or worse, but I don't think a DLC would be epic enough  to cover that story (an expansion would be, though).  

Agreed. There is only so much you could do on a DLC budget. I'd sincerely hope that MOrrigan's role with the Warden and Origins wouldn't be limited to a DLC. I totally want the OGB to be a big deal too but to have the Warden deal with it to for better or worse. And I just don't think the resources are there to properly tell that story just in a DLC. In an expack? Maybe.

And like you mentioned- if we get a little DLC, it'll likely either give closure for the Warden or Morrigan but not both. Outside of killing off the Warden or throwing some other Plot Hammer moment at the Warden or Morrigan, I don't think a DLC would suffice for any possible reunion. Which is why I'm thinking any Morrigan DLC we may get could even be an extra quest a la RtO maybe, that provides some background? I don't know- I'm just worried we'll get some sort of Morrigan DLC and we'll play it and like so much from BioWare as of late- just kind of sit there scratching our heads afterwards going "Huh?"

I'm really hoping that 2/1/2011 is one last expansion for Origins and not the goofy anime....

Modifié par Brockololly, 11 août 2010 - 04:14 .

[GardenSnake]

Brockololly wrote...

I'm really hoping that 2/1/2011 is one last expansion for Origins and not the goofy anime....

 <------ That's me right now, already picturing what comes out on that day. Dragon Age plushies.........

[Brockololly]

GardenSnake wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

I'm really hoping that 2/1/2011 is one last expansion for Origins and not the goofy anime....

 <------ That's me right now, already picturing what comes out on that day. Dragon Age plushies.........

I just can't imagine why, if the 2/1/2011 thing is the anime, they would announce and tease that almost a year in advance. And even then, you'd basically be advertising an advertisement- as thats all the anime is: an ad for DA2.
Hopefully its one last expansion pack to wrap up the loose ends from Origins but given the looming Ultimate Edition of Origins in early October, I'm worried that may be it for the Warden come October. I have a hard time picturing BioWare supporting Origins in any meaningful way when they're trying to push DA2...

But I digress....

[Jarlof Seoul]

Nighwolfa wrote...

I think the warden wondered off so in the next exp, he can be alone with morri.

or atlease search for her alone.

That'd be awesome. Will dowload and play new DLC probably this weekend after I finish DAA replay.

[Jarlof Seoul]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

If one is not pleased with the direction of DA and is vocal about it, but continues to buy sub-par DLC (even if out of curiosity), well they are only helping to reinforce bad behavior on the part of BW.

On the other hand, if you don't buy it, they might kill the 'chise off, seeing as it doesn't bring in as much money anymore. Just sayin'.

Personally DA3 is my limit regarding no Morri closure. Hopefully we'll getr some closure from BW before then. Of course a Morri-Warden expansion to DAO would be nice. Would love to see a trailer for it starting with "Because you demanded it!"

Modifié par Jarlof Seoul, 11 août 2010 - 05:18 .

[adneate]

Jarlof Seoul wrote...

That'd be awesome. Will dowload and play new DLC probably this weekend after I finish DAA replay

IF I CAN SAVE JUST ONE !!!!!!!!!!

Don't buy the DLC DON'T BUY IT! It's horrible it's rubbish it's God awful, it's man's sins made digital. This DLC is God's punishment for a sinful world, take the $5 and flush it down the toilet I promise you'll get more out of it than this, abomination. I'll save you the money here's the best part of the DLC



That's right the blank screen when it abruptly ends, contributing nothing to anything in the world of Dragon Age. A pointless side quest involving The Warden with severe balance issues, bugs and a nonsensical story line.

Modifié par adneate, 11 août 2010 - 05:49 .

[phaonica]

Brockololly wrote...

GardenSnake wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

I'm really hoping that 2/1/2011 is one last expansion for Origins and not the goofy anime....

 <------ That's me right now, already picturing what comes out on that day. Dragon Age plushies.........

I just can't imagine why, if the 2/1/2011 thing is the anime, they would announce and tease that almost a year in advance. And even then, you'd basically be advertising an advertisement- as thats all the anime is: an ad for DA2.
Hopefully its one last expansion pack to wrap up the loose ends from Origins but given the looming Ultimate Edition of Origins in early October, I'm worried that may be it for the Warden come October. I have a hard time picturing BioWare supporting Origins in any meaningful way when they're trying to push DA2...

But I digress....

I wonder if the anime could cover Morrigan's story? For obvious reasons, they couldn't import our choices concerning the DR/US into it, so it might be considered an AU thing if it only covered one branch of that. Still might be better than what little ground a DLC would cover.

[SirOccam]

Kats_RK wrote...

I have a question.
I remember there was a link to a video where Leliana calls Morrigan a B***.
Does anybody know the link to it ??
thanks

A couple others here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWWuHGwzyag

Most of it is pretty harsh, even for Morrigan. I wonder if they took it out because they felt it was a little too much.

Modifié par SirOccam, 11 août 2010 - 06:12 .

[phaonica]

Brockololly wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...
That raises the point though, what is Morrigan doing in Orlasis without the DR having been done?

Good question. Its deep in this thread somewhere I'm sure, but whatever you do, Morrigan always ends up headed west over the frostbacks to Orlais. If you didn't do anything with her and get her knocked up even with a normal child, she insinuates herself in the Court of Orlais. I can only imagine it has something to do with power- but I never would have pictured Morrigan getting along in High Society given her disdain for societal norms like hand shaking or anything.

The fact that there is the "Urthemiel Plateau" right near Orlais can't be a coincidence though....

See this is one of many things that leads me to believe that the OGB is more than something that's going to go down quietly and innocently. I seriously doubt that Morrigan was so excited by Leliana's stories about the culture of nobility in Orlais that she decided to go hang out there just for the lulz. Flemeth and/or Morrigan had something else in mind, which honestly, I would *love* for it to escalate the conflict between Ferelden and Orlais somehow due to the delicious delicious drama. But even something that triggered a conflict between the Chantry and the Old Gods would be pretty epic though I have a feeling that this is a story in DA2, which would of course involve the OGB story contiuing without the Warden, which I hate.

[adneate]

I haven't heard that stuff in a long time, since I'm usually playing a female Warden. I forgot that they come to hate each other that much, Morrigan does come across really bad in those banters. Though I suppose to a certain degree Morrigan wants the OGB with The Warden and Leliana represents a serious threat to said plans.

[ximena]

phaonica wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...
That raises the point though, what is Morrigan doing in Orlasis without the DR having been done?

Good question. Its deep in this thread somewhere I'm sure, but whatever you do, Morrigan always ends up headed west over the frostbacks to Orlais. If you didn't do anything with her and get her knocked up even with a normal child, she insinuates herself in the Court of Orlais. I can only imagine it has something to do with power- but I never would have pictured Morrigan getting along in High Society given her disdain for societal norms like hand shaking or anything.

The fact that there is the "Urthemiel Plateau" right near Orlais can't be a coincidence though....

See this is one of many things that leads me to believe that the OGB is more than something that's going to go down quietly and innocently. I seriously doubt that Morrigan was so excited by Leliana's stories about the culture of nobility in Orlais that she decided to go hang out there just for the lulz. Flemeth and/or Morrigan had something else in mind, which honestly, I would *love* for it to escalate the conflict between Ferelden and Orlais somehow due to the delicious delicious drama. But even something that triggered a conflict between the Chantry and the Old Gods would be pretty epic though I have a feeling that this is a story in DA2, which would of course involve the OGB story contiuing without the Warden, which I hate.

Well, isn't Orlais like the center of the Andrastian Chantry? (If I remember correctly) I was thinking maybe Flemeth is trying to destroy the chantry or what. Though I don't really see Morrigan exerting effort in that UNLESS there's a really valid reason and for now, I can't think of any.

[Nighwolfa]

I think there i alot of good in Morrigan, she may be a hard up lady, but shes not evil, she went into the fade to save a possesed young man, fought the blight till the end... Flemeth on the other hand, she does seem somewhat evil so attacking the chantry i can beleive.

[Jacks Smirking Revenge]

I think she runs off to Orlais to get away from Flemeth what better ally to fight a near immortal abomination than the Divine of Orlais. Their power and her knowledge would be able to threaten Flemeth maybe.

[Brockololly]

phaonica wrote...

I wonder if the anime could cover Morrigan's story? For obvious reasons, they couldn't import our choices concerning the DR/US into it, so it might be considered an AU thing if it only covered one branch of that. Still might be better than what little ground a DLC would cover.

No, no, no, no, no, NO, NO, NO. A thousand times no.... I personally can't stand anime and to see Morrigan in anime form would cause my head to explode. I'd rather have no resolution at all than to see it in anime form, but thats just my opinion.

ximena wrote...

phaonica wrote...
See this is one of many things that leads me to believe that the OGB is  more than something that's going to go down quietly and innocently. I  seriously doubt that Morrigan was so excited by Leliana's stories about  the culture of nobility in Orlais that she decided to go hang out there  just for the lulz. Flemeth and/or Morrigan had something else in mind,  which honestly, I would *love* for it to escalate the conflict between  Ferelden and Orlais somehow due to the delicious delicious drama. But even something that triggered a conflict between the Chantry and the Old Gods would be pretty epic though I have a feeling that this is a story in DA2, which would of course  involve the OGB story contiuing without the Warden, which I hate.

Well, isn't Orlais like the center of the Andrastian Chantry? (If I remember  correctly) I was thinking maybe Flemeth is trying to destroy the chantry or what. Though I don't really see Morrigan exerting effort in that  UNLESS there's a really valid reason and for now, I can't think of any.

Yeah, Orlais is the heart of the Andrastian Chantry. I guess I could see Morrigan/Flemeth having no love for the Chantry but at least with Morrigan, would she want to invest time and effort to destroy it? It just seemed to me that whatever her plan was with the OGB it had to be something almost bigger than just dismantling an earthly institution like the Chantry. It just seems to me that Morrigan wants power and freedom above all else- surely dismantling the Chantry would be good for an apostate like herself, but I think she has bigger goals.

No clue as to what beyond garnering enough power for herself to ensure her survival in a hostile world, but who knows...I can definitely see whatever her plans are going awry though- if Throne of Blood is an inspiration for DA2, thats basically MacBeth, which is pretty much a cautionary tale on power.I could see Gaider doing nasty things to Morrigan if her pursuit of power gets the better of her- maybe thats where the Warden could come in to save the day and either take out Morrigan or redeem her? Thats seems the obvious path, but if handled well, could be interesting- sadly though we won't see that in DA2- at least with the Warden....

I'm just disappointed DA2 isn't set in Orlais- there were so many hints that it would go that way in Origins, and instead we get stuck in the Free Marches?

Modifié par Brockololly, 11 août 2010 - 11:03 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Actually for me, DA2 being in the Free Marches is one of its few redeeming qualities as of yet. Plenty of room for politics there, in an environement of city-states. Of course, that would seem to imply that Morrigan won't be in DA2 in any essential way, or at least I hope so. I don't want Hawke meeting her to be honest, and if a meeting is necessary, I prefer it very short. I don't want a Morrigan cameo just for the sake of it. I would prefer her appearing in an installement involving the Warden.

[Jacks Smirking Revenge]

Yeah I like the city state and political intrigue potential of the Free Marches. One of the only things I liked about Awakening was the very small taste of politics and ruling we got to engage in.

As for seeing Morrigan with Hawke not too interested in that possible meeting. Especially if Hawke gets to influence her future as one of his choices. That would really suck.

I'm not to optimistic on any DA games involving the Warden. The Warden is mute and BioWare loves their voiced PCs. Though if the Warden does come back for content involving the story of DA & Thedas I would be thrilled, but I think s/he is forever trapped in the world of DLC.

Modifié par Jacks Smirking Revenge, 11 août 2010 - 12:14 .

[ximena]

Jacks Smirking Revenge wrote...

I think she runs off to Orlais to get away from Flemeth what better ally to fight a near immortal abomination than the Divine of Orlais. Their power and her knowledge would be able to threaten Flemeth maybe.

Plus the fact that Orlais must be teeming with templars. Though I do think Flemeth can fight even outside her home base. D:


Reposting this since it's really relevant to the topic. XD



And forgive me if this is a little off-topic, but if anyone is interested. an artist at dA is calling for Grey Warden volunteers for her calendar project. XD Read more here

[bl00dsh0t]

@ximena repost that pic as much as you want, it is plain awesomesauce:D

If morrigan reappears in DA2 she better be on par with that pic and sure as hell not romancable! Although i would not mind if she were romancable if she is not in love with the warden, that would be a pretty nifty way to pay homage to our wardens imo if she is becomes a party member at some point.



Still I am very worried about this morrigan dlc. While I would consider lelianas song to be among the best of the dlc I still doubt very much that any kind of closure can come from a 1-2 hr dlc. If episodic as suggested by some in this thread it might work but then continuity between the dlc's and the choices made therin. As we have seen from awakening they don't exactly have a spotless record in the continuity department, but perhaps they do eventually learn from their mistakes, who knows ;D

[MoSa09]

bl00dsh0t wrote...

 As we have seen from awakening they don't exactly have a spotless record in the continuity department, but perhaps they do eventually learn from their mistakes, who knows ;D

Looking at the recent dlc: RtO, DC, then suddenly Leliana's Song, then GoA... Learning from ones mistakes seems to be beyond BioWare. But who knows, i don't know the sales, maybe we'Re a minorty while most others don't care about all that and just enjoy fighting through any kind of dungeon without any real background story. Or a plot at all, s it was with DC.

I think we should take a retreat from valuating her story that much that it douldn't be dealt within a dlc. I thought the same, as the OGB plot has much potential and sounded so important i was sure something meaningful would happen.
Now, i think it was just a prank thrown into the game to add some "whoa, where did that come from" moment into the game and they never had the intention to do anything about it (or changed their plans). If you eleminate that point, she is just another companion and her story can be solved within a dlc

[Terra_Ex]

Brockololly wrote...


And like you mentioned- if we get a little DLC, it'll likely either give closure for the Warden or Morrigan but not both. Outside of killing off the Warden or throwing some other Plot Hammer moment at the Warden or Morrigan, I don't think a DLC would suffice for any possible reunion. Which is why I'm thinking any Morrigan DLC we may get could even be an extra quest a la RtO maybe, that provides some background? I don't know- I'm just worried we'll get some sort of Morrigan DLC and we'll play it and like so much from BioWare as of late- just kind of sit there scratching our heads afterwards going "Huh?"

I'm really hoping that 2/1/2011 is one last expansion for Origins and not the goofy anime....

Brock, did BioWare ever state that the dragon age 2 release date and the awakening flyer date were not one and the same?

An expansion would definitely be preferable if both the warden and morri are in it but the problem with another expansion is the game is already unbalanced beyond belief (which is why I can't fathom why they thought a combat-oriented dlc was a good idea). Another expansion post-Awakening would likely be akin to swatting flies unless they take steps to rebalance things.

As for any potential morri dlc, yeah I'll keep my expectations low to offset the inevitable disappointment, her demeanor doesn't make her a good choice as protagonist, like Leli was in her DLC. Maybe a shapeshifted morri and a group of enlisted wolves (hence no voices required) from the swamp will be exploring the korcari wilds or some such nonsense.

[i love lamp x3]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Actually for me, DA2 being in the Free Marches is one of its few redeeming qualities as of yet. Plenty of room for politics there, in an environement of city-states. Of course, that would seem to imply that Morrigan won't be in DA2 in any essential way, or at least I hope so. I don't want Hawke meeting her to be honest, and if a meeting is necessary, I prefer it very short. I don't want a Morrigan cameo just for the sake of it. I would prefer her appearing in an installement involving the Warden.

if she really wants to avoid the warden as she says, the ring allows her to forever be a step ahead of him/her

[i love lamp x3]

i have a feeling flemeth and morrigan's storyline is a much larger arc than i initially expected. she won't be concluded in a dlc. i'm willing to bet she'll appear in some capacity in da2 and i wouldn't be surprised if her storyline continues even beyond da2

Modifié par i love lamp x3, 11 août 2010 - 04:03 .

[Jarlof Seoul]

i love lamp x3 wrote...

i have a feeling flemeth and morrigan's storyline is a much larger arc than i initially expected. she won't be concluded in a dlc. i'm willing to bet she'll appear in some capacity in da2 and i wouldn't be surprised if her storyline continues even beyond da2

I'd preffer Morri-Warden closure at some point, somehow.

[Nighwolfa]

Yeh i second that.

[Tellervo]

MoSa09 wrote...

Looking at the recent dlc: RtO, DC, then suddenly Leliana's Song, then GoA... Learning from ones mistakes seems to be beyond BioWare. But who knows, i don't know the sales, maybe we'Re a minorty while most others don't care about all that and just enjoy fighting through any kind of dungeon without any real background story. Or a plot at all, s it was with DC.

Yeah, I wonder this myself, if the people who participate in the LI fan communities are a minority.

MoSa09 wrote...

Now, i think it was just a prank thrown into the game to add some "whoa, where did that come from" moment into the game and they never had the intention to do anything about it (or changed their plans).

This is one of my greatest fears about the game.  That's it's one great big joke.  "Lol, guys, just playin'!"  They certainly seem intent on tossing any potential OGB to the wayside.