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[bl00dsh0t]

I think many of us are in your position nighwolfa, but at this point I personally am still on the fence about da2. It might turn out to be a good game, if so I'm pretty sure Ill buy it. But still it is a bloody annoying situation we are in where they have left too many openings that just seem like obvious hooks for sequells, all endings except for the ultimate sacrifice are just plain screaming for continuity. Lets just hope for some expansions that are worth our while, otherwise we can say with certainty that the warden is a goner.

Edit: Btw we have broken the 7000 mark, yay us ;D

Modifié par bl00dsh0t, 15 août 2010 - 09:02 .

[Nighwolfa]

Lol awesome, keeping Morrigan alive FTW. Ive done 4 playthroughs, each time i go to romance sum1 else but i always end up with morrigan love 100% lol guess it was meant to be.,

Modifié par Nighwolfa, 15 août 2010 - 09:13 .

[ximena]

@Night can't resist the swamp witch eh? XD

As for DA2, my only wish is they don't... ugh.. butcher Morrigan in there... if she appears even for a second.

Modifié par ximena, 15 août 2010 - 09:22 .

[Nighwolfa]

Hehe, yeh somehow, as much as i try to romance others, Morrigan always sneaks in and takes it

[Master Shiori]

Nighwolfa wrote...

Lol awesome, keeping Morrigan alive FTW. Ive done 4 playthroughs, each time i go to romance sum1 else but i always end up with morrigan love 100% lol guess it was meant to be.,

Tell me about it...

For me, the thing that does it is her speech about never having a male friend. I'm just a sucker for those lines and that look she throws me.

Well, my male Wardens are all happily dancing to Morrigan's tune.


Same thing with my female Wardens and Leliana.

[Nighwolfa]

Hehe, i think i will do 1 char with Leliana just for the experience

[Brockololly]

blademaster7 wrote...

They were using the "we can go anywhere and do anything" mentality from day 1 and this is what led the straight into a corner. They were free to toss cliffhangers left and right, make everyone killable and give the player a lot of choices.... choices that eventually have no outcomes or consequences(I intend to find Morrigan! BOOYA!). The new protagonist is basically the "get out of jail free" card.

For the most part DAO handles player choice and freedom pretty well.....up until the DR and then vowing to find Morrigan. What really irritates me about the Morrigan ending is that you can tell multiple people you're going to track her down. The whole OGB ending is given this ominous feel, just begging for a sequel and continuation. And what do we get? Feastday Gifts, Darkspawn Chronicles, Awakening, Golems of Amgarrak, and Hawke? Huh?

Not to go on  a DLC rant, but I just think they've totally wasted an opportunity to make meaningful story based episodic content. I surely haven't been excited for the vast majority of the DLC because its all mostly standalone stuff or they're just standalone quests. The quests in the main game are good when you can put them within the context of the whole game- its like watching any sports game: if you're just watching one game by itself it may be exciting, but take that one game and maybe put it in the context of it being a playoff game and its even more exciting. A DLC that just has you grinding through the Deep Roads? Meh....

It would have just been nice if the DLC was episodic content that linked together and had the Warden dealing iwth the Origins companionsand moved the Warden's story forward, instead of the throwaway stuff we've mostly gotten so far.

blademaster7 wrote...
No need for closure(hey, giving questions is easier than giving answers), no need to track down the voice actors to bring back old companions and no need to satisfy your fans, because if you do, they might leave and not check up your DLC's and expansions...

Scrap everything and start from scratch. Instead of continuing an unfinished story and give answers, you can start a totaly new story and give more questions.

Agreed on all counts Blademaster. BioWare needs to learn how to finish a story. Cliffhangers are nice when you know there will be resolution. But with Morrigan and the Warden and how DA2 is shaping up, it doesn't look like the Warden will be getting any resolution to Morrigan. Its not an ambiguous, open ended ending where the player can fill in the blanks. Its just the total lack of an ending. And IMO, thats just crummy story telling. Pure and simple.

ximena wrote...
As for DA2, my only wish is they don't... ugh.. butcher Morrigan in there... if she appears even for a second.

Yeah.... I really wonder what they have in store for Morrigan. I mean, if they've gone all "hot rod samurai" with their story telling....ugh. Laidlaw can say what he wants in saying that Morrigan fans won't be disappointed with their plans for Morrigan, but he also the guy "amping up" DA2, so I'm not quite sure I take his word as great assurance they won't butcher Morrigan.

My "amped up" Morrigan guess- either she'll have been messed up by the DR or she does something dastardly and villainous, OGB or not. But seeing as the Art Director said they were inspired by Throne of Blood, which is basically MacBeth, which is basically one big cautionary tale about power- yeah, maybe they're going to make an example out of Morrigan?

[Giggles_Manically]

That would suck, if they pulled a Macbeth on Morrigan.

If you do the DR you lose her to the power of the OBG.

If you turn her down she leaves you for good.

Dont know about you but that seems like a total GOTCHA! moment to me.



I do wonder though in the DR when you turn her down, if she more hurt that you dont trust/believe her, or that she dosent get what she wants?

I think its a mix between the two myself, but it does have to hurt knowing that a friend or a lover cant trust you.

[Aphetto_LC]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

That would suck, if they pulled a Macbeth on Morrigan.
If you do the DR you lose her to the power of the OBG.
If you turn her down she leaves you for good.
Dont know about you but that seems like a total GOTCHA! moment to me.

If they did that then they basically admit they are liars since Bioware has frequently said that choices are supposed to be "grey", not black and white.  If they turn the DR into nothing more than a means to make Morrigan go crazy with power, I see that the DR choice then falls into the "black" category (i.e. its evil).

[Brockololly]

I think its been brought up before, but it would be interesting if maybe the only way to get a "happy" ending with Morrigan might have been to turn down the DR? That would amount to a "gotcha!" moment IMO- should the Warden ever get a chance at an ending of some sort with Morrigan, I'd hope it was left open based on player choice whether its "good" or "bad."



Not to go off on a DA2 tangent, but with the whole Rise to Power tagline and the comments about Throne of Blood/MacBeth- you've got the 3 witches in MacBeth that basically sort of see into the future. Not unlike Flemeth...nothing terribly insightful there I guess, as witches often have the power of prophecy in stories, but it'll be interesting to see if DA2 ends up a tragedy of sorts like MacBeth.....

[Nighwolfa]

I wouldn't keep you hopes up guys, this could be another lost cause, developers make what they want, if they decide to make another Morri story, i doubt it will be anytime soon.



If it does happen it will be halfarsed prob a little 5 min clippet or something...

[Brockololly]

Nighwolfa wrote...

I wouldn't keep you hopes up guys, this could be another lost cause, developers make what they want, if they decide to make another Morri story, i doubt it will be anytime soon.

If it does happen it will be halfarsed prob a little 5 min clippet or something...

Oh, I'm pretty sure most of us here have had their Morrigan hopes crushed for quite some time now- I think you're just now  joining us in our despair. Welcome to the club!

[Giggles_Manically]

Brockololly wrote...

Nighwolfa wrote...

I wouldn't keep you hopes up guys, this could be another lost cause, developers make what they want, if they decide to make another Morri story, i doubt it will be anytime soon.

If it does happen it will be halfarsed prob a little 5 min clippet or something...

Oh, I'm pretty sure most of us here have had their Morrigan hopes crushed for quite some time now- I think you're just now  joining us in our despair. Welcome to the club!

After getting gaider punched after my first Morrigan run, I stick to Leliana,
Very well done romance, but I cant stick around to get teh shaft again..

[MKDAWUSS]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
I do wonder though in the DR when you turn her down, if she more hurt that you dont trust/believe her, or that she dosent get what she wants?
I think its a mix between the two myself, but it does have to hurt knowing that a friend or a lover cant trust you.

I think that depends on what the relationship is between the two.

On the flip side, then, if you do the DR, is it because you want to save your life, free an Old God, or just have a baby with Morrigan? Conversely, could Morrigan's motivations be a combination of those as well?

[Nighwolfa]

Well, they will have to go leaps and bounds to make the chars in da2 better than what they are in da, Everytime i watch the ashes trailer kinda makes me think they have wasted so much open content they could of done, so you killed 1 blight, theres been 4 and there will be more, doesnt mean the wardens story is over... THERE IS ALWAYS, another evil in the world the wardens work is far from finished, But he is destined to find morrigan, one way or the other.

[bl00dsh0t]

Hehe indeed but they have already stated that they won't do yet another blight for the story in a dragon age game anytime soon. Would not really make sense since the blights are 100s of years apart usually. But yes they gotta finish that story as well as the stories of the other companions since not all just "end" in a matter that is much more than some open ended epilogue slide. Ahh well fanfiction authors need some hook to work with xD

[MKDAWUSS]

bl00dsh0t wrote...

Hehe indeed but they have already stated that they won't do yet another blight for the story in a dragon age game anytime soon. Would not really make sense since the blights are 100s of years apart usually. But yes they gotta finish that story as well as the stories of the other companions since not all just "end" in a matter that is much more than some open ended epilogue slide. Ahh well fanfiction authors need some hook to work with xD

Yet doesn't the possibility of another imminent Blight occur in a couple of Awakenings endings? I think one could happen regardless of what you did with the Architect. There were way too many variables what "what-ifs" surrounding his offer.

[adneate]

It's the Orlesian Warden ending that specifically mentions another blight, one at Weisshaupt Fortress in the Anderfells. The Commander of the Grey is recalled to the Fortress to investigate rumors of another blight coming immediately after the end of the 5th, but perhaps it was just rumors or maybe it's something more substantial. At any rate it's not the plot for DA2 as far as we can tell, perhaps it's for DA3 but that would be on a new generation console so at the very least it might do a far better job of grapically portraying what a blight is like.



How Morrigan, Flemeth and the OGB figure into all this is still a total mystery. It might very well be that those 3 are the only thread that holds the DA games together, or The Warden returns in DA3 after Hawke brings the World to near ruin. However it's just as likely they'll have Commander Shepard save the world in DA3 the way things are going . . .

[GardenSnake]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

bl00dsh0t wrote...

Hehe indeed but they have already stated that they won't do yet another blight for the story in a dragon age game anytime soon. Would not really make sense since the blights are 100s of years apart usually. But yes they gotta finish that story as well as the stories of the other companions since not all just "end" in a matter that is much more than some open ended epilogue slide. Ahh well fanfiction authors need some hook to work with xD

Yet doesn't the possibility of another imminent Blight occur in a couple of Awakenings endings? I think one could happen regardless of what you did with the Architect. There were way too many variables what "what-ifs" surrounding his offer.

That's what really got me worried when I finished the game. How the hell were they going to deal with all those variables when I imported my Warden into DA2? OH WAIT  

[GardenSnake]

adneate wrote...

How Morrigan, Flemeth and the OGB figure into all this is still a total mystery. It might very well be that those 3 are the only thread that holds the DA games together, or The Warden returns in DA3 after Hawke brings the World to near ruin. However it's just as likely they'll have Commander Shepard save the world in DA3 the way things are going . . .

And as it turns out, when Shepard reaches the last boss, it's been Revan and Morrigan working together all along. And the OGB is actually HK-47. Wait..... that would be kind of cool actually.

[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...

I think its been brought up before, but it would be interesting if maybe the only way to get a "happy" ending with Morrigan might have been to turn down the DR? That would amount to a "gotcha!" moment IMO- should the Warden ever get a chance at an ending of some sort with Morrigan, I'd hope it was left open based on player choice whether its "good" or "bad."

I don't think we'll have much of a choice when it comes to Morrigan and the Warden. If we're lucky and the writers feels generous; we're looking at Morrigan and Warden being reunited after her story is over.

The only on screen reunion would be in a DLC.

And I think you guys and gals are being too pesimistic when it comes to Morrigan. If Bioware really didn't give a damn about her they wouldn't keep saying how her story isn't over. We know she'll be back at some point and that there will be references about her in DA2.

As for what the writers say, we shouldn't dismiss that out of hand. Right now Morrigan fans at least have something to look forward to, unlike fans of Alistair, Leliana or Zevran, who aren't likely to ever see their LI's again.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 15 août 2010 - 05:23 .

[adneate]

Master Shiori wrote...

As for what the writers say, we shouldn't dismiss that out of hand. Right now Morrigan fans at least have something to look forward to, unlike fans of Alistair, Leliana or Zevran, who aren't likely to ever see their LI's again.

Well that can go either way, they could do something great with her however it's unlikely given the "VOed Characters are BioWare's thang yo", that she'll ever be reunited with The Warden in anything outside of Origins. Also while the potential for a positive outcome exists they could also pull an Oghren in Awakening on her and totally run anything unique and likeable about the character into the dirt and then burn it.

[Brockololly]

Well, thats the problem as I see it with Morrigan- we know we'll see her again, but in what capacity? Thats whats worrying to me- seeing how they're going all Bro-centric in DA2, what does that mean for Morrigan's future role? The Bros see Morrigan as the hot evil chick. Will BioWare craft DA2 and future versions of Morrigan into that role- seeing as the consoles are BioWare's "audience" now? Or will they keep her the complicated character as she was in Origins, provided you spent the time to crack her shell?

Presumably, Gaider and the writers have had an idea as to where Morrigan's story is headed but have they been tempted to "amp up" her story? Its not like we'd know, but I just worry whatever they have in store for Morrigan will have us go "Huh?"- not unlike the whole Dark Ritual scene...

Modifié par Brockololly, 15 août 2010 - 05:33 .

[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...

Well, thats the problem as I see it with Morrigan- we know we'll see her again, but in what capacity? Thats whats worrying to me- seeing how they're going all Bro-centric in DA2, what does that mean for Morrigan's future role? The Bros see Morrigan as the hot evil chick. Will BioWare craft DA2 and future versions of Morrigan into that role- seeing as the consoles are BioWare's "audience" now? Or will they keep her the complicated character as she was in Origins, provided you spent the time to crack her shell?

Presumably, Gaider and the writers have had an idea as to where Morrigan's story is headed but have they been tempted to "amp up" her story? Its not like we'd know, but I just worry whatever they have in store for Morrigan will have us go "Huh?"- not unlike the whole Dark Ritual scene...

Changes to gameplay mechanics aren't the same as changes to a characters personality. Making combat more action packed doesn't mean they'll dumb down the story and characters as well. Well crafted characters are one of the strongest points of DA and I can't see them getting rid of that.

Gaider himself has clearly said that he won't tolerate anyone messing around with his creations and that includes Morrigan. As long as he's the one writing her story things should be alright.