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[Master Shiori]

I think they'll release it tomorrow.



Not sure where we can find it though.

[Herr Uhl]

Master Shiori wrote...

I think they'll release it tomorrow.

Not sure where we can find it though.

Their site?

[bl00dsh0t]

I think we will get an announcement in the origins and da2 forums as well as on their sites. Still it will probably be released at the ea conference theyll have and then published online. It is at 1600 in germany so for once I don't have to stay awake too damn late to watch footage from the US Yipee, all hail ze germans! ;D Wow that came out wrong xD My guess is that its -6 hours from the US east coast in timedifference so you guys should get it around 10am, but then again since most of the activity in this thread seems to be happening when I'm off snoring peacefully Ill assume you guys are not east coasters

[ximena]

I have come across a fic which is most interesting. It actually explores the Morrigan-dragon cult angle.

Here's a quote.

She had no choice. 'Twas pre-ordained, decided when the darkspawn had woken the archdemon. Although, in truth, her fate was sealed years ago, when Flemeth made her drink as a child. Morrigan's eyes were exotic, golden, mesmerizing. But they were green before she drank…normal. She had seen them in the beloved golden mirror her mother had smashed. She knew. And it was not just her eyes that had been affected. Her strength, her endurance, her aggressiveness. The Warden had admired her ferocity in battle, but he would not have if he had known. The Binding had changed her in unmistakable ways. And it had shackled her to them for the rest of her life.

Flemeth had undergone the Binding countless years ago, after the death of her lover, Osen…after she murdered her husband, Bann Conobar Elstan and fled back to the Wilds, an abomination. She had bound herself to them…to the cause.

'Twas only now the archdemon awoke. 'Twas only now He called to them to free Him, to release Him from his maddened husk, to let him be born again as He was, apart from the Taint, but in a new form…that of a man. When He first began to speak to them in their dreams…in the Fade, she and Flemeth understood. The ancient texts had been preserved through the ages. She was expected to read them. The language was known to her. And because she drank, she heard.

(The Blood of the Dragon)

Any thoughts on that angle? xD

Modifié par ximena, 16 août 2010 - 12:12 .

[bl00dsh0t]

ximena wrote...

I have come across a fic which is most interesting. It actually explores the Morrigan-dragon cult angle.

Here's a quote.

She had no choice. 'Twas pre-ordained, decided when the darkspawn had woken the archdemon. Although, in truth, her fate was sealed years ago, when Flemeth made her drink as a child. Morrigan's eyes were exotic, golden, mesmerizing. But they were green before she drank…normal. She had seen them in the beloved golden mirror her mother had smashed. She knew. And it was not just her eyes that had been affected. Her strength, her endurance, her aggressiveness. The Warden had admired her ferocity in battle, but he would not have if he had known. The Binding had changed her in unmistakable ways. And it had shackled her to them for the rest of her life.

Flemeth had undergone the Binding countless years ago, after the death of her lover, Osen…after she murdered her husband, Bann Conobar Elstan and fled back to the Wilds, an abomination. She had bound herself to them…to the cause.

'Twas only now the archdemon awoke. 'Twas only now He called to them to free Him, to release Him from his maddened husk, to let him be born again as He was, apart from the Taint, but in a new form…that of a man. When He first began to speak to them in their dreams…in the Fade, she and Flemeth understood. The ancient texts had been preserved through the ages. She was expected to read them. The language was known to her. And because she drank, she heard.

(The Blood of the Dragon)

Any thoughts on that angle? xD

I find the premise intriguing tbh, would be an interesting story to explore. It is an interesting reason for her to have done what she did and could make for great continuation of her story if handled well. Ill check the fic out when I have some time, interesting find indeed  

[Brockololly]

Master Shiori wrote...

I think they'll release it tomorrow.

Not sure where we can find it though.

Public Service Announcement courtesy Brockololly:

EA has their Gamescom press conference at 4PM CET (the 17th), which I think translates to 10AM EST or 7AM PST, correct?

It supposedly starts at 4PM CET and can be viewed here:
http://live-event.ea.../gamescom/live/

Or here:
http://pc.ign.com/ar.../1112456p1.html



I'd guess sites like Kotaku will live blog the EA conference too, FWIW. But I'm happy its early in the day (EST) so I don't have to wait around at least...

ximena wrote...

I have come across a fic which is most interesting. It actually explores the Morrigan-dragon cult angle.

Interesting....The whole dragon cult thing was one of the first ideas that popped up after the game came out. Its really as likely as anything else I guess. My only question is that if Morrigan is in a dragon cult, why wasn't she more vocal when dealing with Kolgrim? Obviously she might not want to betray her affiliation with a dragon cult, but at the same time, I have a hard time picture Morrigan actually being a member of a dragon cult- she is quite the loner. 

So maybe she drank the dragon blood or something and read up on the cults, but is just kind of doing her own thing? Seeing as the whole setting is called "DRAGON" Age, and how Flemeth turns into a dragon, I'm guessing dragons would fit more prominantly into the story going forward. We shall see......

Modifié par Brockololly, 16 août 2010 - 08:00 .

[ximena]

What if Flemeth made her drink it when she was young? I don't think young Morrigan would have a choice. This can also add something to the "I am already lost" line which I often read too much into.

Hmmm. Morrigan. So many mysteries in a future which is rather uncertain.

EDIT: Hmm. Interesting. Looks like I will be able to watch the conference live. 4PM CET is 8PM where I live. Kekekekeke.

Modifié par ximena, 16 août 2010 - 01:37 .

[Brockololly]

ximena wrote...

What if Flemeth made her drink it when she was young? I don't think young Morrigan would have a choice. This can also add something to the "I am already lost" line which I often read too much into.

True....that line can be interpreted a couple ways I guess. One, she could simply be resigning herself to having to be "lost" to the Warden and thus leaving him once the Archdemon is dead. Or maybe it has something to do with her "fate" and her plan as dictated to her by Flemeth.

Thats another thing I don't care for in the DR scene. Its like all of a sudden Morrigan feels compelled to do the DR as if compelled by fate or destiny or some force outside of herself. And all throughout the game, Morrigan is all about independence and free will, yet she acts as if the DR is something she just has to do, but especially if she is romancing the Warden, something she has doubts about doing, but does anyway.

And I don't quite get her rationale in trusting Flemeth's magic with the DR. Put yourself in her shoes- she just (supposedly) discovered that her mother has plans oto snatch her body and then you willingly subject yourself to a magical ritual your body snatching mother had planned for you from the time you were very young? And you don't think that maybe your abomination mother who can see into the future might have nasty plans associated with the DR?

I could definitely see BioWare and Gaider doing something nasty to Morrigan in her pursuit of power, as maybe Flemeth sort of tricks Morrigan into doing the DR and the DR has unintended consequences for Morrigan....

[Master Shiori]

David Gaider hinted that it might not be something Flemeth or some other higher power forced her to do, but rather something Morrigan herself places great importance on and believes it simply must be done.

My take is that Flemeth manipulated Morrigan into believing the DR is important and has to be done no matter what. Kind of like how the Grey Wardens believe any price is worth paying to end a Blight.



Honestly, whatever they have planned for Morri I just hope she will end up being able to determine her own destiny and not be a tool to be used by Flemeth and then discarded once she's served her purpose.

[Brockololly]

I went ahead and made a new Trailer discussion topic in Quett's Morrigan group, so as to hopefully avoid getting this thread shutdown tomorrow when the mods will likely be out in full force.

Here is the thread:http://social.biowar...scussion/10043/ with what seems to be a CGI Blur Hawke image from Kotaku...

Anyway-

Master Shiori wrote...

David Gaider hinted that it might not be something Flemeth or some other higher power forced her to do,  but rather something Morrigan herself places great importance on and believes it simply must be done.

Right- I think he referred to the DR as Morrigan's "mission" and that she wasn't going to let love get in her way of completing it, as much as that may have pained her; that maybe it was just something she felt she needed to do.

Of course, its the "why" she felt compelled to leave the Warden and "why" she needs to do the DR that is the big question...

Master Shiori wrote...
My take is that Flemeth manipulated  Morrigan into believing the DR is important and has to be done no matter what. Kind of like how the Grey Wardens believe any price is worth  paying to end a Blight.

Honestly, whatever they have planned for  Morri I just hope she will end up being able to determine her own destiny and not be a tool to be used by Flemeth and then discarded once  she's served her purpose.

Seeing as it seems Flemeth saves Hawke in DA2, she certainly seems to maybe be setting up some grand scheme. I wouldn't be surprised if she has tricked Morrigan with the DR some way. Or perhaps, MOrrigan thought she could use the DR for her own purposes with Flemeth dead, only to be mistaken.

I too hope they don't just chuck Morrigan aside as some tool of Flemeth's once her role in the plot is made clear. But I just have a bad feeling- with DA2 seemingly taking a page from MacBeth and being a cautionary tale about power- that Morrigan might meet a bad end, at least potentially. What better way to get people talking about a game than to kill off or otherwise do something drastic to a recognizable character like Morrigan?- epsecially if all the characters are just pawns in the larger scheme of Thedas being the main character?

Modifié par Brockololly, 16 août 2010 - 09:28 .

[Giggles_Manically]

So all Dragon Age can be summed up as:

A Flemeth did it?

[Nighwolfa]

lol

[Fntsybks]

Brockololly wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

David Gaider hinted that it might not be something Flemeth or some other higher power forced her to do,  but rather something Morrigan herself places great importance on and believes it simply must be done.

Right- I think he referred to the DR as Morrigan's "mission" and that she wasn't going to let love get in her way of completing it, as much as that may have pained her; that maybe it was just something she felt she needed to do.

Of course, its the "why" she felt compelled to leave the Warden and "why" she needs to do the DR that is the big question...

I was thinking about this, especially in relation to the fanfic Ximena posted. Why couldn't the Old Gods have spoken to Morrigan and Flemeth, as they did to the Tevinter Magistrates? They could have given them the knowledge/ability to create the OGB, and any Old God-worshipping ritual could explain Morrigan's eyes. That would explain the "why" Morrigan left the Warden: she was (insert here: pledged, tricked, bribed, or convinced) to free the Old God, and Morrigan would likely leave the Warden to do whatever she had agreed to, as she would rate overall good above personal attachment.

Modifié par Fntsybks, 17 août 2010 - 01:51 .

[Brockololly]

Fntsybks wrote...

I was thinking about this, especially in relation to the fanfic Ximena posted. Why couldn't the Old Gods have spoken to Morrigan and Flemeth, as they did to the Tevinter Magistrates? They could have given them the knowledge/ability to create the OGB, and any Old God-worshipping ritual could explain Morrigan's eyes. That would explain the "why" Morrigan left the Warden: she was (insert here: pledged, tricked, bribed, or convinced) to free the Old God, and Morrigan would likely leave the Warden to do whatever she had agreed to, as she would rate overall good above personal attachment.

I guess then the question is how do the Old Gods communicate to Morrigan and Flemeth? O rmore specifically, why them? If they drank dragon blood and are dragon cult members I guess that works. But I mean the darkspawn and Wardens hear the Old Gods through the taint....so I guess it comes down to whether or not the Old Gods are merely normal High Dragons or something more significant?

[Giggles_Manically]

Maybe Flemeth is an Old God herself, since I doubt she is just an demon.

Think about it every demon failed to do anything:
Circle tower
Kitty in Honnleath
The Queen of the Blackmarsh
Demon in Warden's Keep.

Flemeth is far more intelligent and capabale than any demon we have run across, plus she has lasted far longer than any other. Morrigan may believe that she is an abomination, but if so she is a tier or three above any other abomination in game. Since even the pride demon in Awakening is stupid and ego bound to a great deal.

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 17 août 2010 - 02:41 .

[Brockololly]

At the very least Flemeth is likely a demon of some kind plus maybe a spirit joined together...or maybe an Old God. She certainly doesn't seem to be just your typical abomination, thats for sure.

And a Morrigan picture, courtesy UrbanZebra on deviantart:

Modifié par Brockololly, 17 août 2010 - 02:47 .

[MKDAWUSS]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Maybe Flemeth is an Old God herself, since I doubt she is just an demon.

Think about it every demon failed to do anything:
Circle tower
Kitty in Honnleath
The Queen of the Blackmarsh
Demon in Warden's Keep.

Flemeth is far more intelligent and capabale than any demon we have run across, plus she has lasted far longer than any other. Morrigan may believe that she is an abomination, but if so she is a tier or three above any other abomination in game. Since even the pride demon in Awakening is stupid and ego bound to a great deal.

That could give credence to Flemeth wanting Morrigan to do the DR.

[phaonica]

Brockololly wrote...

I guess it comes down to whether or not the Old Gods are merely normal High Dragons or something more significant?

I think I read somewhere that the Old Gods were "ascended" even higher than High Dragons. Or I might have gotten that out of the old god codex, which according to the dragon age wiki says: "most agree that they were likely actual dragons--ancient high dragons of a magnitude not known today"

If Morrigan is somehow "bound" to the Old Gods or Dragon Cult, it would make the DR seem a whole lot more like something Morrigan might want to do in the name of her freedom--as in maybe somehow her 'obligation' would end by handing over the old god soul/baby to someone.

[Homebound]

Brockololly wrote...

At the very least Flemeth is likely a demon of some kind plus maybe a spirit joined together...or maybe an Old God. She certainly doesn't seem to be just your typical abomination, thats for sure.

And a Morrigan picture, courtesy UrbanZebra on deviantart:

My Morriganomics might be a bit off but, I do believe that Morrigan does not wear a bra while wearing her robe.

[Master Shiori]

Just_mike wrote...

My Morriganomics might be a bit off but, I do believe that Morrigan does not wear a bra while wearing her robe.

Yes, she does.

It's just that in most cases the bra will be covered by the robe.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 17 août 2010 - 07:51 .

[Nighwolfa]

Wonder if bra's were even invented in the dragon age, im pretty sure women of that time let them all hang loose, and it doesnt look like morri wears one, only when the love scenes happen to stop the game looking like a porno.

[ximena]

Teehee.

[Maria13]

Nighwolfa wrote...

Wonder if bra's were even invented in the dragon age, im pretty sure women of that time let them all hang loose, and it doesnt look like morri wears one, only when the love scenes happen to stop the game looking like a porno.

The bra is actually quite a sophisticated piece of clothing, I understand a socialite first came up with the design in the early 20th century when she tied two handkerchiefs together...  Breastwraps were worn however...

[GardenSnake]

ximena wrote...

Teehee.

Teehee indeed. Ya, the crazy brashifting in the love scene's was REALLY awkward. There's this one comic on DeviantArt that 'explains' that it's a side effect of Morrigan being a shapeshifter. But more likely it's just the side effects of not wanting to get an A rating from the ESRB. Would they get one of those for showing too much skin? I'm curious.

Modifié par GardenSnake, 17 août 2010 - 12:52 .

[Brockololly]

I always wondered how shapeshifting works with clothing- do you lose the clothes and go naked when you shapeshift or is it like in the game where your clothing is sort of shifted with you?



Oh, and the EA conference is about to start if anyone is interested....