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[bl00dsh0t]

ximena wrote...

Teehee.

<- Currently drooling uncontrollably Very well done!!

[Brockololly]

Ok, links to high def trailer:

Jesse.Reid wrote...

For those of you looking for downloadable versions, here you go:

720p 131MB
1080p 409MB

Now, on to Morrigan/Flemeth speculation!

Edit: Updated with higher res shots:

So, in the trailer you've got the scene in the flashback or whatever with the templars fighting some army...and of course we know that the Chantry is in ruins supposedly...

Check this shot of Flemeth out:


Very much reminds me of LotR with Saruman reviewing his army- if you notice at the bottom of the screen it looks like whatever reviewing platform or cliff Flemeth is standing on has a dragon carved into it. Perhaps Flemeth is raising an army of Witches, like she supposedly did in legend? Could Morrigan fit into that plan somehow?

Then here, you've got a clear view of the army opposing the Templars:


They all look female, and seemingly have a similar outfit as Morrigan's Sacred Ashes robes. Then you've got the dragon statue on the left side.

So who are they and do they relate at all to Morrigan and Flemeth? Are they Morrigan and Flemeth's dragon cult? Are they free mages rallying to Flemeth? Are they Old God worshippers? Are they Flemeth's daughters? Are they Morrigan clones?

Or is this all much to do about nothing?

Modifié par Brockololly, 17 août 2010 - 05:56 .

[Fntsybks]

Brockololly wrote...

I guess then the question is how do the Old Gods communicate to Morrigan and Flemeth? O rmore specifically, why them? If they drank dragon blood and are dragon cult members I guess that works. But I mean the darkspawn and Wardens hear the Old Gods through the taint....so I guess it comes down to whether or not the Old Gods are merely normal High Dragons or something more significant?

We know that the Old Gods were able to communicate with the Tevinter Magisters, so why not with Morrigan and Flemeth? As to why the Old Gods would select them, the Old Gods need powerful servants/partners, and those servants/partners cannot be too attached to the current society, as helping the Old Gods risks destroying society. An apostate mage with a desire for power/freedom and a dislike of the weak, along with an ancient abomination fit those requirements nicely.

As to the theory of Flemeth being an Old God, I think that it is possible, as long as Flemeth has some way to stop attracting darkspawn. If the DR was performed, and the Warden who killed the Archdemon were to die from some other cause, (blood loss, darkspawn, friendly fire, etc.), immediately following the Archdemon's "death," then there would be no evidence of the DR and the Old God's release. 

[bl00dsh0t]

Yeah I downloaded the 1080p version and went through it frame by frame, those mages do look awfully alike and if you look at the outfit it does look a lot like the sacred ashes outfit of morrigan. Interesting indeed, sadly we will have to wait ages for more info ;D

[Barbarossa2010]

No Morrigan...and no Warden. It's as bad as I thought. That looked like a trailer from a completely different game with the exception of Kate Mulgrew narrating. Hawke seems like an imposter thrust upon us whether wanted or not. He doesn't even give me that bad ass vibe. He looks like someone who desperately WANTS to be a bad ass. Someone propped up to be a bad ass. Which makes him inferior as a protagonist compared to the Warden.



Oh well, it appears Morrigan will return anyway. I suppose that's a good thing. I'm just not that excited anymore since the Warden is exiting stage right and an imposter is taking his place. That's the problem with making the environment (Thedas) the main character. There's nothing to capture the imagination, personalize and attach to, and call your own. That's what I was hoping for from this franchise, but after a string of disappoinments...well, meh.



Here's to hoping (although it is forsaken in these lands) it's an "excellent" game anyway. That's all they promised anyway, right? "Excellent" as defined by BW and the DA Team, of course, certainly not the most devoted Origins fans obviously. Gaider did say, that some would be disappointed way back in Nov/Dec. It just sucks to be counted among that number.

[adneate]

I get a real Illusive Man vibe from Flemeth in that trailer, that she's manipulating everything and everyone somehow even if said manipulation is forced upon the player by the plot gods.

[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...

Ok, links to high def trailer:

Jesse.Reid wrote...

For those of you looking for downloadable versions, here you go:

720p 131MB
1080p 409MB

Now, on to Morrigan/Flemeth speculation!

Edit: Updated with higher res shots:

So, in the trailer you've got the scene in the flashback or whatever with the templars fighting some army...and of course we know that the Chantry is in ruins supposedly...

Check this shot of Flemeth out:


Very much reminds me of LotR with Saruman reviewing his army- if you notice at the bottom of the screen it looks like whatever reviewing platform or cliff Flemeth is standing on has a dragon carved into it. Perhaps Flemeth is raising an army of Witches, like she supposedly did in legend? Could Morrigan fit into that plan somehow?

Then here, you've got a clear view of the army opposing the Templars:


They all look female, and seemingly have a similar outfit as Morrigan's Sacred Ashes robes. Then you've got the dragon statue on the left side.

So who are they and do they relate at all to Morrigan and Flemeth? Are they Morrigan and Flemeth's dragon cult? Are they free mages rallying to Flemeth? Are they Old God worshippers? Are they Flemeth's daughters? Are they Morrigan clones?

Or is this all much to do about nothing?

Right now my guess is those are Flemeth's daughters. Which makes me wonder:

Did Morrigan tell us the truth when she said that Flemeth possesses her daughters? If that was a lie then why did she want Flemeth dead so badly? Finally, what is the relationship between Flemeth and her daughters?
Does she control them in some way? Do they form some kind of sorcereous cabal?

And the big question: How does Morrigan tie in all this? Did she escape whatever fate Flemeth had in store for her or is she still under her control?

[Brockololly]

Article up on IGN:  http://pc.ign.com/ar.../1113408p1.html

Some slight spoilers...

In the article it mentions when  Flemeth saves Hawke she requests he deliver a package for her....

I'm guessing that whatever that delivery quest involves probably sets in motion another of Flemeth's plans. Mainly, I'm guessing Flemeth and her possible Army of Morrigan clones is at least in part responsible for the Chantry being in ruins during the present time.

But the big question is how does Morrigan fit in? Or the Old God Baby for that matter? Questions, questions....

Oh and if those Sith looking females are in fact related to Flemeth or Morrigan, I do fear if Morrigan herself shows up in DA2, as part of her "hot rod samurai" look, she'll look all gothic and Sith like....

Modifié par Brockololly, 17 août 2010 - 06:57 .

[Nighwolfa]

Hmm, doesnt look that appealing tbh

[Aphetto_LC]

Nighwolfa wrote...

Hmm, doesnt look that appealing tbh

I'll be frank.  Nothing so far regarding DA2 has looked appealing.

I'll be silently hopeful for a Morrigan DLC for Origins, but I am not going to hold my breath.

[Brockololly]

Heh...bad idea of the day:



What if Morrigan is technically still in DA2....albeit as part of Flemeth's little Morrigan clone army? So its not really "Morrigan" but just another Witch of the Wilds that looks like Morrigan? Morrigan romance for Hawke!



I'll shut up now....

[Aphetto_LC]

Brockololly wrote...
I'll shut up now....

Ugh.     

Modifié par Aphetto_LC, 17 août 2010 - 07:35 .

[Nighwolfa]

Stake him!! dont give em ideas on how to kill off morri

[MoSa09]

Brockololly wrote...
Or is this all much to do about nothing?

We should probably be careful to not read too much into this.

1. Remember the sacred ashes trailer. It was nicely done, but how many things from that were similar to what the real game/quest was like. Not that much in fact.

2. The chantry is in ruins, Flemeth is a mage opposing the chantry. Hawke has a sister whi is an apostate mage, and judging by the trailer (contradicting my own point 1, i know ), Hawke seem to have some kind of magical ability as well that does not look that chantry approved. So the idea that mages or magic brought the chantry down is not that far fetched. In short, the mages in the background could be mages who joined Flemeth in her cause, might even be recruited by her.

3. We only see the first in line, and they appear to be female. Maybe Flemeth just recruits women, maybe them being dressed like her is some kind of uniform.  Maybe they become Witches of the wild by joining Flemeth.

4. now the Morri point. Judging by Origins, i have my doubts she would join her mother on any kind of quest or her power games. Regardless of ending, Morrigan had issues with her mother and she has a completely different personality. If Flemeth is up to something big, its possible Morrigan is unwillingly part of the scheme as well, but i doubt she would willingly join her mother in such a big power game Flemeth seems to play with Hawke.
I wouldn't be surprised if you're forced to choose betwenn the two, either knowingly or without knoiwledge, and to infleunce her fate in one way or another by doing so.

[Aphetto_LC]

At least the in-game image of Varric shows that the concept art is not being replicated in the game. A sliver of hope regarding Morrigan's appearance should she be in DA2: The Reboot.

[Master Shiori]

Aphetto_LC wrote...

At least the in-game image of Varric shows that the concept art is not being replicated in the game. A sliver of hope regarding Morrigan's appearance should she be in DA2: The Reboot.

There's an ingame image of Varric?

Where?

[Aphetto_LC]

[Brockololly]

Remember to try and keep this Morri related... the Morrigan group has plenty of other general DA2 talk.

So I busted out my horrible photoshop skills to go all detective on the Morrigan army picture!

So first we have exhibit A, Morrigan from the Sacred Ashes trailer:





Compare those to exhibit B, the Morrigan Clone Army, zoomed in and sharpened courtesy of my Godly photoshopped skills (literally, if you zoom in you'll notice several were literally copy/pasted):



I'm pretty damn sure thats at least someone decked out in Morrigan's Sacred Ashes outfit and looks a whole hell of a lot like Morrigan's Blur image face wise too with the darker eye shadow and such. The front of the outfit is the same, the utility belt is the same, the frilly skirt is there....

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, i do believe we have ourselves a Morri clone army in DA2....unless this scene is one of Varric's exaggerations:wizard:

Modifié par Brockololly, 17 août 2010 - 08:31 .

[MoSa09]

Brockololly wrote...

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, i do believe we have ourselves a Morri clone army in DA2....unless this scene is one of Varric's exaggerations:wizard:

I do repeat myself and would advise to not read too much ino this. The possibilites of what that could be are nearly endless, given we know close to nothing yet. And just keep in mind that Morrigan never wears her Sacred Ashes robe in game.

I can't say there is much faith left in me when it comes to BioWare and/or the writing team, but i am sure they would pull off such a stunt as to turn her into a faceless clone and just call one of them Morrigan. She is indeed way too important for that. That story about all those other girls who dress alike (let it be her sister or just followers of Flemeth and her teachings) might affect her, but i am sure that is not her.

[Brockololly]

No, I'm not reading too much into it as of yet. Its just fun speculating on the story at least as the actual PC gameplay seems to be nerfed. Oh well.



I just hope Morrigan isn't some free-will unaltered clone, like Boba Fett. Meanwhile Flemeth has been building up an army of conditioned Morrigan witches....

[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, i do believe we have ourselves a Morri clone army in DA2....unless this scene is one of Varric's exaggerations:wizard:

Can you say: "Plenty of Morrigan to go around"?

[Giggles_Manically]

Soooooo......



After watching the trailer, and reading the interview a lot of my concerns melted off very quickly.

Hearing that PC is only getting tweaked is good, and the trailer at least wasent Manson.

Also yah for Kate Mulgrew!



I doubt that Flemeth has an army of Morrigans at her disposal, an army of apostates yes, but not something like clones.

Outside of the toolset, and how much you can RP Hawke I may just be looking forward to DA2.

[MoSa09]

Brockololly wrote...

No, I'm not reading too much into it as of yet. Its just fun speculating on the story at least as the actual PC gameplay seems to be nerfed. Oh well.

I just hope Morrigan isn't some free-will unaltered clone, like Boba Fett. Meanwhile Flemeth has been building up an army of conditioned Morrigan witches....

oh, i don't wanna stop everyone from speculating, i just wanted to be a voice of warning. Back in November/December, we speculated alot of what could happen, and at least i got pretty excited about that. Well, let's say DA 2 hit me hard.

So while its fun to speculate on DA 2, that short glimpse within a trailer (that might have have to do with the) of some girls that appear to wear the same robes as Morrigan does within the Sacred Ashes trailer. MAybe i am just too careful to refrain from getting excited about nothing again :innocent:

I just think that looking at those tiny glipmses within a trailer, its all good for any speculation about Morrigan, but not enough to build a solid or reasonable opinion about her appearance, impact (or that of her sisters).

I am still undecided wheter i want her to appear in DA 2 or i want her to absent, and i am still undecided if i should further care about her story or simply forget the whole franchise and move on (recent DA 2 news led me to believe the latter is it will be).

In the end, DA 2 seems to have a bunch of strong characters already, most prominent being Hawke and FLemeth. Morrigan is such a kind of character as well, hard to imagine her staying as we know her and being sidelined. I suppose that wouldn't work out, and so i have a rather hard time figuring her as part of DA 2. I suppose Flemeth might not have snatched her body, but rather the role of the tough and mysterious woman with hidden intentions  Morrigan got to play in DAO.

[Master Shiori]

I figure we'll have more freedom when it comes to RPing Hawke than we had with Shepard. Mostly due to there not being a good/evil polarization in DA, like there was in ME.



Everything I've read about combat on pc seems to be alright, apart from the camera. I'll wait until I see what they've done there before passing judgement.



So far the only thing I'm concerned about is the possible lack of toolset for DA2. Hopefully something will be done to adress that issue.



Overall, I'm excited about DA2 after seeing the trailer. Can't wait to find out what Flemeth has in store for Hawke and, more importantly, to see how Morrigan ties into all this.

[bl00dsh0t]

Im still jumping between excited and not excited at the moment ;D



The trailer it self did very little for me, at best it showed off a mage fatality and otherwise just another cgi trailer that has nothing to do with the game at all. The morrigan army I think can be explained by the fact that it appears for 1 second in the trailer so they just copy pasted an army of lookalikes, its the same with the templars, all standing in exactly the same poses if you slow the trailer down to frame by frame. More likely that it was not intended to be viewed in the obsessive way we have ;D



Either way I stand by that if they introduce morrigan in a reasonable and meaningfull manner into the story of DA2, read not as a romancable wench, then there may still be hope. The game might turn out to be good, the question is whether it is the game we were waiting for or not. Sure gaider can go on about us being myopic or building imaginary games in our minds but frankly their classification of thedas as the main character of the franchise is just nagging me more and more. Its the characters that kept us replaying the game, its their approval we were encouraged to mess with, not the worlds. Meh shooting yourselves in the foot you are bioware ;D