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[Brockololly]

MoSa09 wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Eh...you have far too much optimism for being a Morrigan fan. Even if they announce a Morrigan DLC, I'll expect a swift kick in the balls courtesy of Gaider and BioWare somehow...

lol.. indeed. You'll recognize a true Morrigan fan by his constant depression, always assuming the worst to happen

*Raises hand and waves*

I find it funny that back when Gaider said this :

David Gaider wrote...

"Always leave them wanting more."

Closure is for suckers.

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And then mentioned liking to stir up a hornet's nest, its not much of a hornet's nest for the Morrigan fans after the DR and having the Warden dumped at the curb- its like beating a dead horse...

[MoSa09]

Brockololly wrote...


And then mentioned liking to stir up a hornet's nest, its not much of a hornet's nest for the Morrigan fans after the DR and having the Warden dumped at the curb- its like beating a dead horse...

Thats something he completely fail to understand for months or is simply unwilling to understand.

I've just decided to gie it a shot and be excited about those rumors one last time. Maybe, in the end, this dead horse will be re-animated after all

or ressurected:wizard:

Modifié par MoSa09, 22 août 2010 - 08:02 .

[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...

Nighwolfa wrote...

Thats pretty Much back and white, they are gonna give the closure we want

Eh...you have far too much optimism for being a Morrigan fan. Even if they announce a Morrigan DLC, I'll expect a swift kick in the balls courtesy of Gaider and BioWare somehow...

What does everyone think a Morrigan DLC would look like? I mean, would it be a cheap thing or something more substantial like a mini expansion pack? Thats my hope- maybe a 4-5 hour, $15 mini-expack that gives the Warden closure for Morrigan and the whole DR thing from the Warden's POV...I just worry that any Morrigan DLC is going to disappoint somehow and possibly only make the DR scene look supremely satisfying in comparison, especially given how disappointing most of the post-release content for DA has been...

We already got a kick in the balls with DR and whole Morrigan leaving thing in Origins. If they wanted to screw us over they'd leave it at that and not bother with wasting time and resources on a DLC that reunites Morrigan with the Warden.

They said Morrigan fans will be happy so I asume some kind of a "happy" ending will be involved, though with this being Dragon Age I wouldn't expect it to be "sunshine and rainbows" kind of thing.

I know they said we haven't seen the last of Morrigan and that her story isn't over, but somehow I get the feeling they weren't refering to this DLC when they said that. If that's true then whatever is coming will ned to wrap up the lose ends between Warden and Morri from Origins and leave Morrigan free to be part of DA3 (which we know is planned after Hawke's story is done).

Going by that, possible endings are:

1) Warden finds Morri and then leaves for his calling - quite possible and in line with whole dark fantasy thing

2) Warden finds Morri but dies by the end of DLC - depends on the execution, but not really great

3) Warden finds Morri and they stay together - rainbow and butterflies ending, not sure if that's in the cards

4) Warden finds Morri and she refuses to continue their relationship - your "kick in the balls" ending, makes the whole DLC pointless though so unlikely to happen (unless somebody at Bioware is a sadist...)

[Brockololly]

What I'd love to see is just for Morrigan and the Warden to come to some sort of understanding. Ideally it would be sort of how the Jaheira romance is handled in the ToB epilogue- basically have MOrrigan and the Warden sort of affirm their relationship but come to an understanding that they aren't going to always be together, that while at times they may be off doing their own thing, fulfilling their own responsibilities, that they'll always come back to each other in the end. That sort of gives the Warden some closure but frees up Morrigan to show up in further DA games if need be...

Sadly, I just have the bad feeling that Morrigan's story won't end well for her, especially with Flemeth seemingly around in DA2. Just a gut feeling that Morrigan's story is going to end tragically...

Edit: Or another DLC bad idea would be that its mostly the Warden searching but for some Plot Hammer reason, its preordained by the Plot Gods that the Warden can't find Morrigan and gives up or something... I'm sure I could come up with more bad ideas on how to frustrate Morrigan fans, but BioWare is probably taking notes so I'll stop there...

Modifié par Brockololly, 22 août 2010 - 08:33 .

[soundchaser721]

Given the way bioware is handling their dragon age protagonists I don't know if they're going to bring the warden and morrigan back for part 3. As much as that would be awesome it would mean a hell of a lot more time without any closure and at that point i think people would stop caring. Either way this morrigan dlc needs to happen, and its gotta be good. I really hope it doesn't take place before origins because that would just be the biggest kick in the nuts ever.

[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...

What I'd love to see is just for Morrigan and the Warden to come to some sort of understanding. Ideally it would be sort of how the Jaheira romance is handled in the ToB epilogue- basically have MOrrigan and the Warden sort of affirm their relationship but come to an understanding that they aren't going to always be together, that while at times they may be off doing their own thing, fulfilling their own responsibilities, that they'll always come back to each other in the end. That sort of gives the Warden some closure but frees up Morrigan to show up in further DA games if need be...

That is perfect.

If we actually got something along those lines I'd be quite happy.

[Brockololly]

soundchaser721 wrote...

Given the way bioware is handling their dragon age protagonists I don't know if they're going to bring the warden and morrigan back for part 3. As much as that would be awesome it would mean a hell of a lot more time without any closure and at that point i think people would stop caring. Either way this morrigan dlc needs to happen, and its gotta be good. I really hope it doesn't take place before origins because that would just be the biggest kick in the nuts ever.

Yeah, seeing as it seems our time with the Warden is sort of limited now, a prequel DLC or anything of the sort with Morrigan would be a major letdown, as much as it may be interesting to get more backstory.

I think in one of the recent interviews from Gamescom, Laidlaw did mention that DA2 is Hawke's story and that while we may see him/her down the road, it seems they're fairly well set in having each game a new protagonist. Which is fine so long as they don't leave plot threads dangling best suited to be resolved by the PC of a given game- like the whole DR/OGB thing with Origins...

That said, I think Laidlaw also mentioned how mysteries from DAO may not necessarily be resolved in DA2... to me that screams of the OGB. Maybe thats for the best- I just don't want BioWare dragging out certain plot threads for years and years...

[Barbarossa2010]

Given all the evidence and indicatiors that economy in development is the rule going forward, don't expect much satisfaction from the DA Team for dangling plot threads out of Origins. They have made it abundantly clear that their intent is to move "their" story forward, "their" way and streamline it all at the same time.



Since money and tightening the development belt is the new methodology, they had better adjust their story telling technique to limit choices and close out plot threads. Dangling threads and kick in the balls "gotcha" moments don't sit well with me, they damn sure will not sit well with the casual players they have opted to court. I hope Gaider and Co. know this. S#i+ty DR endings won't brief well to the casual dem.

[soundchaser721]

Brockololly wrote...

soundchaser721 wrote...

Given the way bioware is handling their dragon age protagonists I don't know if they're going to bring the warden and morrigan back for part 3. As much as that would be awesome it would mean a hell of a lot more time without any closure and at that point i think people would stop caring. Either way this morrigan dlc needs to happen, and its gotta be good. I really hope it doesn't take place before origins because that would just be the biggest kick in the nuts ever.

I think in one of the recent interviews from Gamescom, Laidlaw did mention that DA2 is Hawke's story and that while we may see him/her down the road, it seems they're fairly well set in having each game a new protagonist. Which is fine so long as they don't leave plot threads dangling best suited to be resolved by the PC of a given game- like the whole DR/OGB thing with Origins...


That said, I think Laidlaw also mentioned how mysteries from DAO may not necessarily be resolved in DA2... to me that screams of the OGB. Maybe thats for the best- I just don't want BioWare dragging out certain plot threads for years and years...

Exactly, dragon age 2 is no doubt Hawke's story and thats one of the reasons i don't think that morrigan will have a huge role in it; it would steal a lot from Hawke. That being said, if this morrigan dlc was released and gave morrigan romancers the closeure they wanted (which at this point is just seeing morrigan again with our wardens) then i think they'll have a much more positive view of dragon age 2. I don't mind dragon age 2 being about Hawke, but i've had it with these revan-like disappearing acts and walking off into the sunset never to be heard again. Its not badass, to me it just seems like apathy on the part of the developers.

[GardenSnake]

Different protagonists every game? Really? What will the bros think when they play DA3? "Where's my epic Hawke? That guy was so badass. Oh well, Jerey pass the Coors, the Colts are playing. **** this game!"



The quote where Laidlaw talks about revisiting characters and such is intriguing. Morri closure in an hour dlc though? I can haz doubts. Still, the potential to revisit places and characters sounds pretty enticing. Maybe Couslands can go back home? Who knows.

[wickedwizzard01]

i am starting to be quite optimistic about the Morrigan DLC , dunno if it is a good thing tho?

but on the other hand i do not expect it to be in Sept judging on how hey handle the LotSB DLC it might be some time before before we hear anything about it,

i hope to be wrong but.....i wont expect a release or date for quite a while now

[MKDAWUSS]

jln.francisco wrote...

Seems we can expect a revolving door of protagonists from here on out- don't bother getting too attached to Hawke...

Kinda makes you wonder (or at least makes me wonder) what the point of buying a sequel would be. If it's going to be have different characters and different combat/development system why not buy a different game and get the bonus of exploring an entirely new world?

Why do people get Star Wars games? Most of their sub-series have new PCs in each installment...

[wickedwizzard01]

@ brock



you probably know the answer to tis more than anyone else here.

but wasn't Morrigan already confirmed for DA2?

or was it just speculation from someone?

haven't been on here for a couple of weeks now

the last thing i can remember that it was either hinted at or said that Morrigan was in DA2

i could be mistaken, i am not sure anymore

[MKDAWUSS]

GardenSnake wrote...

Different protagonists every game? Really? What will the bros think when they play DA3? "Where's my epic Hawke? That guy was so badass. Oh well, Jerey pass the Coors, the Colts are playing. **** this game!"

The quote where Laidlaw talks about revisiting characters and such is intriguing. Morri closure in an hour dlc though? I can haz doubts. Still, the potential to revisit places and characters sounds pretty enticing. Maybe Couslands can go back home? Who knows.

They'll have dumped Hawke for someone EVEN MORE EPIC!!!

[wickedwizzard01]

GardenSnake wrote...

Different protagonists every game? Really? What will the bros think when they play DA3? "Where's my epic Hawke? That guy was so badass. Oh well, Jerey pass the Coors, the Colts are playing. **** this game!"

The quote where Laidlaw talks about revisiting characters and such is intriguing. Morri closure in an hour dlc though? I can haz doubts. Still, the potential to revisit places and characters sounds pretty enticing. Maybe Couslands can go back home? Who knows.

an hour DLC with Morrigan closure?? now that can't be good:mellow:

[Brockololly]

wickedwizzard01 wrote...

@ brock

you probably know the answer to tis more than anyone else here. but wasn't Morrigan already confirmed for DA2? or was it just speculation from someone? haven't been on here for a couple of weeks now the last thing i can remember that it was either hinted at or said that Morrigan was in DA2 i could be mistaken, i am not sure anymore

No, they've confirmed that Flemeth is in DA2 and there have been a couple of screens of Flemeth in DA2.
But Morrigan or any other old companions have not been confirmed for DA2. Gaider has said we'll run into some familiar faces, but no word on who. Both Laidlaw and Melo have mentioned that Morrigan's story is not over yet, so its fair to assume we'll see her again. Whether thats in DA2 or not we don't know. Laidlaw mentioned a while back in a Morrigan thread on the DA2 forum that Morrigan fans wouldn't be disappointed with what they have in store- whatever that means.

Concerning DLC and Morrigan you had these couple of questions from the Gamescom chat on Saturday:

[Comment From David: ] Fernando, will there be any more dlc for origins when DA2 comes out ?

Fernando@BIoWare: Funny you should mention this... yes, we're not done with Origins yet More details very soon.

[Comment From Brockololly: ] So are the rumors of a Morrigan DLC in September true? Will the Warden ever get a chance to deal with the consequences of the Dark Ritual?

Fernando@BIoWare: @Brockololly:
Rumours are rumours of course. But Morrigan is obviously an important character in the DA world, and i'm sure it is not the last we've seen of her.

So thats all we've got. Pretty much anytime someone asks the devs about Morrigan they say the same thing- "Morrigan is a very important character in DA and its a good bet you haven't seen the last of her." So I guess whether that means we'll see her in DLC or DA2 or DA3- only BioWare knows...

Modifié par Brockololly, 23 août 2010 - 02:03 .

[wickedwizzard01]

Brockololly wrote...

wickedwizzard01 wrote...

@ brock

you probably know the answer to tis more than anyone else here. but wasn't Morrigan already confirmed for DA2? or was it just speculation from someone? haven't been on here for a couple of weeks now the last thing i can remember that it was either hinted at or said that Morrigan was in DA2 i could be mistaken, i am not sure anymore

No, they've confirmed that Flemeth is in DA2 and there have been a couple of screens of Flemeth in DA2.
But Morrigan or any other old companions have not been confirmed for DA2. Gaider has said we'll run into some familiar faces, but no word on who. Both Laidlaw and Melo have mentioned that Morrigan's story is not over yet, so its fair to assume we'll see her again. Whether thats in DA2 or not we don't know. Laidlaw mentioned a while back in a Morrigan thread on the DA2 forum that Morrigan fans wouldn't be disappointed with what they have in store- whatever that means.

Concerning DLC and Morrigan you had these couple of questions from the Gamescom chat on Saturday:

[Comment From David: ] Fernando, will there be any more dlc for origins when DA2 comes out ?

Fernando@BIoWare: Funny you should mention this... yes, we're not done with Origins yet More details very soon.

[Comment From Brockololly: ] So are the rumors of a Morrigan DLC in September true? Will the Warden ever get a chance to deal with the consequences of the Dark Ritual?

Fernando@BIoWare: @Brockololly:
Rumours are rumours of course. But Morrigan is obviously an important character in the DA world, and i'm sure it is not the last we've seen of her.

So thats all we've got. Pretty much anytime someone asks the devs about Morrigan they say the same thing- "Morrigan is a very important character in DA and its a good bet you haven't seen the last of her." So I guess whether that means we'll see her in DLC or DA2 or DA3- only BioWare knows...

it is at the very least some interesting info, and thanks Brock for the answer
well... i guess we'll just have to wait and see if she will be in DA2 or that they mean only a DLC
somehow i think it will be both, since i believe that the Morrigan story arc goes beyond Origins maybe even beyond DA2

[Nighwolfa]

@Brockolloly Optimism is all i have right now, i dont wanna doubt its gonna happen cuz i will stop playing the game period.

[Master Shiori]

My guess is they'll use the DLC to wrap up her relationship with the Warden and leave her free to return in DA3.



With all that "Morri is important and you haven't seen the last of her" stuff floating around, I can't imagine they're all refering just to 1 DLC...

[wickedwizzard01]

Master Shiori wrote...

My guess is they'll use the DLC to wrap up her relationship with the Warden and leave her free to return in DA3.

With all that "Morri is important and you haven't seen the last of her" stuff floating around, I can't imagine they're all refering just to 1 DLC...

i do expect Morrigan to show up at some point during DA2
And there might be a final confrontation between Morrigan and Flemeth on wich the player decides who lives or dies (sort of the  Samara - Morinth in ME2) 
but maybe i am a bit too positive here..

[Barbarossa2010]

I personally think we will see Morrigan in DA2. I just think its total bull$#i+ and completely unacceptable after the DR gotcha moment that it will probably be some other schmuck protagonist (or some schmuck narrator) who will be the one that continues her story through personal interaction.



Our Warden who is part ****** hound and part Darkspawn/Archdemon killing bad ass can't find her, but epic hawke (or someone equally unworthy)...well...you know the rest.

[Master Shiori]

wickedwizzard01 wrote...

i do expect Morrigan to show up at some point during DA2

Maybe. So far they neither confirmed nor denied that Morrigan will be in DA2.

DA2 could be about Flemeth setting her plan into motion and then we have her and Morri face each other off in DA3.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

[MoSa09]

Master Shiori wrote...

Maybe. So far they neither confirmed nor denied that Morrigan will be in DA2.

DA2 could be about Flemeth setting her plan into motion and then we have her and Morri face each other off in DA3.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

Well, at least i am sure the Morrigan Flemeth plot they set into motion in DAO will somehow matter in DA 2.

Its already confirmed Flemeth is part of DA 2. We know the chantry is in ruins, and Hawke has something to do with it. We know Morrigan followed along one of Flemeth'S plans to give birth to the untainted soul of an old god (successfully or not doesn't matter here).

And i found this on the DA 2 website today:

Any ship approaching Kirkwall will first see the cliffs – the “wall”  that the city is named for – from many miles off. This sheer cliff is made of the same black stone that the city was built on, a pantheon of  vile guardians representing the Old Gods carved into its face. Over the years the Chantry has effaced many of these profane sentinels, but it is next to impossible to destroy them all.

Somehow, i have my dounts that this is all just coincidental. If Morrigan is appearing, i have my doubts. But i am sure she will be mentioned, and that "return the old gods plot" she has started in Origins will also continue to play an important role as well. Who knows, maybe the dlc will wraup up her and the Warden's story, and whatever she said in motion will appear throughout the whole Thedas games until its finally solved in way or the other at the end of the series. When her and the Warden (as well as Hawke) might long be dead.

Modifié par MoSa09, 23 août 2010 - 02:22 .