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[MoSa09]

The Real Fletch Fletcher wrote...

Thanks for the info.  Fingers crossed it works.

I hope it works then. Sad we have to be tricky a watch a certain epilogue dialogue cause it's most probably a stupid bug that affects most Morrigan romancers and is well known ( i remember back in early December i found a thread people were discussing that the post arch demon autosave plays before the climax but Morrigan'S approval is not reset to pre arch demon lvl, so it's in the public dicsussion for three months now).
Could of course be done on purpose (only a dev can tell), but i can think of no reason that convinces me why that would be done on purposes (not to say they nevertheless couldn't come up with one i didn't think of

[MoSa09]

Avissel wrote...

The Real Fletch Fletcher wrote...

Thanks for the info.  Fingers crossed it works.

For the record, I did those exact things, and I never got the "ring" epilouge until I equipped her ring before fighting the Arch Demon.

Yes. forgot that sorry, you must at least have the ring in your inventory, even better wear it

[ejoslin]

The Real Fletch Fletcher wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Arl Eamon's estate is weird that way. No matter who you're romancing, you get the friend greeting.

Ah, so it's not just me then?

Yeh, I hate it too.  At least you can still kiss Morrigan.  For people who depend on DT to kiss their romance partner, no go there.

[The Real Fletch Fletcher]

MoSa09 wrote...

Avissel wrote...

The Real Fletch Fletcher wrote...

Thanks for the info.  Fingers crossed it works.

For the record, I did those exact things, and I never got the "ring" epilouge until I equipped her ring before fighting the Arch Demon.

Yes. forgot that sorry, you must at least have the ring in your inventory, even better wear it

So: equip the ring, tell her I'll find her, don't speak to her again, tell the king/queen that I intend to find Morrigan and the Awakening epilogue will be mine.

[MoSa09]

The Real Fletch Fletcher wrote...

So: equip the ring, tell her I'll find her, don't speak to her again, tell the king/queen that I intend to find Morrigan and the Awakening epilogue will be mine.

to be on the safe site, don't ever talk to her in Denerim during the climax (her farewell speech she gives to you is okay), but nothing more, than that SHOULD do the trick. But unless we get official confirmation, that's the best advice out of all rumors i can give

[The Real Fletch Fletcher]

MoSa09 wrote...

to be on the safe site, don't ever talk to her in Denerim during the climax (her farewell speech she gives to you is okay), but nothing more, than that SHOULD do the trick. But unless we get official confirmation, that's the best advice out of all rumors i can give

Thanks for the advice.  I think I'll probably keep my pre-Landsmeet save handy for when/if Bioware respond to this topic or release a fix, so hopefully we can get the ring epilogue and the Awakening epilogue in the future.

[Booglarize]

Brockololly wrote...

Gaaah.. all this talk of bugged romances in Bioware games takes me back to all of the possible hangups you could get into in BG2 and Throne of Bhaal trying to complete Jaheira's romance

Oh lord, don't even get me started on that... at one point I got stuck in an infinite loop where some part of that Harper quest started repeating over and over again (when Dhermin shows up, after which she leaves the part and goes to the hold, leaving you that note). I think my main character's inventory was almost completely filled with multiple copies of that same note from Jaheira before I finally figured out how to fix it by tweaking the game variables.

Speaking of which - is there any way to do something similar for Awakening? I know game editors will allow you to tweak the flags for Mass Effect saves - is there any way to do this for this game? I have a "close to the ending, but not quite" save game just for this purpose.

[Brockololly]

The Real Fletch Fletcher wrote...

So: equip the ring, tell her I'll find her, don't speak to her again, tell the king/queen that I intend to find Morrigan and the Awakening epilogue will be mine.

I guess thats the current thinking- although I'm curious when you do this if you get the whole "ring" epilogue in Origins. I don't think you will but I'm curious...

[MoSa09]

Those BW guys are insane: they can't provide a closure to the romance, they can't provide an epilogue trigger that works, but you can buy that shirt at their store.

And where is the "I will never forget you my love" shirt?

[The Real Fletch Fletcher]

Brockololly wrote...

The Real Fletch Fletcher wrote...

So: equip the ring, tell her I'll find her, don't speak to her again, tell the king/queen that I intend to find Morrigan and the Awakening epilogue will be mine.

I guess thats the current thinking- although I'm curious when you do this if you get the whole "ring" epilogue in Origins. I don't think you will but I'm curious...

I'm just getting to the Landsmeet now.  I'll report back what I got in the epilogue when I finish up, if you want.

[JamieCOTC]

I romanced Morrigan once, but I lost that save w/ a computer crash. So, I feel for the Morrigan fans too. Leli and Zev fans were supposed to get letters, but that was cut out, or so I hear. Out of all the companions, it makes the most sense that Morrigan isn't in the game, but would it have killed them to add something? Maybe an "Easter Egg" trigger that activates the ring. It would just take one little trigger and another codex entry.

[Avissel]

Brockololly wrote...

I guess thats the current thinking- although I'm curious when you do this if you get the whole "ring" epilogue in Origins. I don't think you will but I'm curious...

Thats what I did and I got the ring epilouge. Following those exact directions without the ring equipped got me no mention of the ring.

[Booglarize]

Anyway, Brockololly - the sentiment around the forums seems to be that Awakening is the end of the road for our character. If that is indeed the case, then at least we won't have to worry about this bug messing up future character importations. And we can (I know I will) still regard the Morrigan epilogue as the one that was morally and rightfully ours, while disregarding (handwaving, if you will) the one that actually showed up.



Still, I can't say I'm not disappointed. This whole brouhaha has kinda ruined my week - though I'm making up for it by replaying BGII (to be followed by Throne of Bhaal, of course) to get a good fix of video game romance done right.

[Brockololly]

Meh- I keep reading people saying that Awakening is the end of the road for our Warden, but I honestly don't get it. I've finished Awakening, read the epilogues, but I just don't see where people are coming from that we won't possibly continue on as our Warden in an expansion or DA2.



Sure the devs haven't said one way or the other, and they certainly haven't been shy about saying they want DA to be this big franchise where they can explore different areas geographically and chronologically, but I fail to see how Awakening specifically makes for the end of the road for the Warden.



If anything the ending is even more open ended than Origins- I mean in almost all of the ones I've read, the Warden basically moves on from Vigil's Keeo because there is nothing more for him/her to do there. It was only a temporary post anyway, I thought, and with the Blight gone and the Mother/Architect dealt with in Amaranthine, there is no reason the Warden can't go off and vanish



IMO, having the Warden "vanish" gives the writers freedom to let the Warden pop up in any part of Thedas they want in DA2 or another expansion.

[Booglarize]

Honestly, I hope everyone's wrong about the story coming to an end with Awakening. It's just that when I ended the game, the epilogue just seemed to have an air (albeit sloppily executed) of finality about it. And it seems that a lot of other people got the same feeling as well.

[MoSa09]

Booglarize wrote...

Honestly, I hope everyone's wrong about the story coming to an end with Awakening. It's just that when I ended the game, the epilogue just seemed to have an air (albeit sloppily executed) of finality about it. And it seems that a lot of other people got the same feeling as well.

i don'tknow, maybe final is a different thing than closure. Comparing Origns/Awakening ending to that of the Bg series and NWN, they got some closure of what happens to the party, one ending that tighten up the lose ends and let you say farewell to put your characters and friends to rest.
Awakening might have an aura of being final /though i'm not so sure) in the sense that nothing more might follow, but absolutely not in the meaning of closure, to put an ending to story and characters tha let you say farewell and put them to rest. Not at all. Remember, Origins, at least for most, is not about the Blight, but about it's characters, their stories and backgrounds, and many of the old have have still uncertain futures and no closure.
Whatever Awakening provided, it's no closure to the story, so declaring it final would nevertheless be unfinished

[Booglarize]

  MoSa09

Oh I agree, there was definitely no closure at the end of Awakening. It definitely feels like there's something missing. I'm just not confident that the missing pieces will actually end up being addressed.

Although I like the point you brought up about the characters being the important part of the game, as opposed to Thedas or darkspawn or blights or what have you... and I think it bears repeating. People keep going on about how BioWare's created this great new world and that they can keep on writing great new stories for it, but I always felt that that was missing the point. I mean, if you get down to the basics, there's nothing really that special about the universe BioWare has created - it hits upon most of the standard cliches and arrangements that you see in other fantasy worlds in video games and literature, and it does very little to distinguish itself in that way - and I can think of a few that I feel were actually better-designed than this one. (In fact, the last fantasy world from a video game which I thought actually felt original was from a little game called Arcanum; a shame that it won't be seeing any continuation, but I digress...)

What really brought it to life, and gave the world an actual sense of personality, was the characters. And I don't think the franchise will continue to remain great if they just reboot the characters with every new instalment while leaving storylines incomplete or sloppily finished. The Awakening characters were nowhere near as memorable as the Origins cast, and it showed - I felt it myself, and it' was mentioned specifically as one of the weak points of the game in just about every review that I read. I suspect that BioWare knows this too (they'd be a little stupid not to, to be honest), so I look forward to them proving my cynical pessimism wrong, and actually getting back to their winning ways in the next expansion/sequel. 

Modificata da Booglarize, 19 marzo 2010 - 08:18 .

[MoSa09]

I am not confident, here is just hoping they will bring the pieces together before starting something new. *Sigh* But before i put my hopes on that, i would love to know more about the thing this thread was created for, that annoying

[fanman72]

Hmmm.....I did get the epilogue in Awakening where it mentioned Morrigan



-I did NOT talk to her during the final battle in Origins (reloaded once i realized what would happen)

-I had her ring on at the end of Origins and all through awakening

-Told Allister at the end of origins it was my intent to search for her and that goddamn satan baby

[Booglarize]

Well, I think we've pretty much concluded that it's a bug. The only thing to wonder about now is whether/when it'll end up being fixed. Though I'm not sure whether Gaider is necessarily the right person to be asking about this, since it seems more like a technical question.

[InvaderErl]

Since Awakening does not make a COMPLETION save is there even any point to trying to get this slide to show up?

[MoSa09]

Booglarize wrote...

Well, I think we've pretty much concluded that it's a bug. The only thing to wonder about now is whether/when it'll end up being fixed. Though I'm not sure whether Gaider is necessarily the right person to be asking about this, since it seems more like a technical question.

Any ideas whoelse to ask, it can't do any harm to make the bug more public and hopefully get some acknowledgement it's a bug or was done on purpose.
Otherwise, i have to reload that save to gain this epilogue and therefor skip the ring ending, which is also bad in a way. So you have to decide to follow her or to know that she misses you, but you can't have both. Cmon, the ending of Origins was cruel enough, why even more punishment?

[Booglarize]

MoSa09 wrote...


Any ideas whoelse to ask, it can't do any harm to make the bug more public and hopefully get some acknowledgement it's a bug or was done on purpose.
Otherwise, i have to reload that save to gain this epilogue and therefor skip the ring ending, which is also bad in a way. So you have to decide to follow her or to know that she misses you, but you can't have both. Cmon, the ending of Origins was cruel enough, why even more punishment?

 Well, I suppose we could just keep this thread up for as long as we can and hope that one of the devs replies at some point with an actual answer. Barring that, I don't see what else we could do. I know I personally can't be buggered to redo my Origins ending and then play through all of Awakening again just to get an epilogue slide that I should have already had in the first place.

Also, as InvaderErl points out, the lack of a completion save indicates to me that there may not even be future importations for this particular character to begin with. If that is the case, then there really would be no point to it at all. Still, I'd like some official comment on the issue. 

Modificata da Booglarize, 19 marzo 2010 - 09:52 .

[Barbarossa2010]

I think the lack of confidence in continuation of our characters forward is justified. It is a result of a botched romance and storyline, a possible glitch (which is neither confirmed nor denied) and the absolute silence on the part of developers and writers to address it. I mean we are let down time and time again. When is enough going to be enough.

First, we were criticized for wanting white picket fences (which was BS) and now all we want is a stupid sentence in an epilogue card (that's pretty much how pathetic this has gotten) and unless you follow this totally contrived and stupidly narrow dialogue branch, you're going to be denied even that miniscule bone. I really wish I'd known what I was getting into here before I ever picked up this game and now spent $115 and invested hundreds of hours in trying to get the story just right.

Well, based on BW's response to the Morrigan fan base (and the silence is defeaning) all they're telling us is that we were fools and whining fools at that. But we keep coming back for more, right? That well's getting ready to dry up for me. This has been the most frustrating gaming experience I've ever had.

The lack of confidence in continuing forward is well founded. What's the sense of continuing forward with your character anyway, if we're facing the challenge of Morrigan AND the developers and writers who seem dead set on sticking to the straight male romancers. If they were to fix everything perfect and make it all swell and dandy with wedding bells and babies (which will happen with BW when cats do Shakespeare), it wouldn't have been worth all this. Sorry, just my take.

At least Gears of War 3 should be out in a year or so.

Modificata da Barbarossa2010, 19 marzo 2010 - 09:56 .

[MoSa09]

For the future importations, that is indeed interesting. I remember in an interview with Fernando Melo from Bw he said that there will be no autosave after Awakening and we will understand once the newest piece of dlc is announcement/has arrived. What to make out of that, i have no clue.

Maybe they return to add more to the Original game like Warden's Keep and RtO? Two things are certain. there will be future content for Origins, at least dlc, and there is no autosave after Awakening.

The rest is pure speculation.

But keeping this up is a good idea, let's say the miracle happens and we get closure only to realize that bug prevent's that from happening...