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Brockololly wrote...
So I'd treat this DLC as a goodbye to your Warden.:crying:


You know, that does make me really sad.

Dragon Age to me was my Warden and all the people who were with him. From my favorites like, well, everyone but Wynne...to the people I didn't like, like Wynne...and Wynne.

Without them I just can't get much excitement going about DA2. I don't mean that as I 'I hate you Bioware and I'll never, ever play anything you make ever again!', but just more overall melancholy to the end of some of Bioware's best NPCs. I'm sure the counter point is 'You don't think we can make new guys just as cool?', but I'm not too sure... Awakening didn't exactly have me forgetting about Team A.

I agree with the other poster, I would have easily/gladly/happily paid 12-15 bucks for a larger DLC that made sure they got it right, and it didn't feel rushed. My worst fear for this is that it will be a 30 minute to 1 hour DLC like all their other DLC, and that the actual Morrigan resolution will be done in 2 minutes time, sandwhiched inbetween meeting new people and fighting monsters.

I am really glad it's being made though, the not knowing would have been killer. And when I pick up DA2 when it's on sale for 10-15 bucks, maybe some of the stuff I learn in Witch Hunt will make Flemeth's interactions a little bit sweeter.

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Everything good must come to an end, and it's natural we feel a bit of sadness that we get to leave Origins and move on, especially since it affected us, or at least me, deeply in almost every way. In my first playthrough, I was choking up from the DR scene, to the companion speeches before the battle to the post-coronation and epilogue, with the thought of "I don't want it to end" in my head. In fact, I always choke up at the end part in all my playthroughs.

But the "I don't want it to end" sentiment was complemented, for me, with "this is the best damn ending I've ever experienced". Or at least I am hoping this DLC will have that affect on me, so I can leave Origins behind and try to move on to DA2 (which I am almost certain I won't like just as much).

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I had that feeling too...

Except it was more saying:

"Well about 5 minutes till Thomas Cousland dies".



Great ending but kinda sucks that I was walking right into my own death for the last hour.



I just want it to end, and not leave some stupid plot hanging, if they say:

Morri kills the warden, so you can move on to Hawke I will just... well do something.

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Brockololly wrote...

I don't know whether she'll be surprised to see the Warden or not. After all, she said she was leaving Ferelden forever and you would never see her again. Oops. I'm guessing the reaction would hopefully be different depending on your prior relationship with her, but maybe thats expecting too much? Certainly her reactino upon seeing her love and father of her child would be different than seeing a Wardeen who dumped her at Lothering and turned down the DR.

I'm curious if this DLC will actually have some meaningful RP and choices. I'd just hate it if it gets railroaded into a one size fits all ending. The production values and quality on this need to be top notch.

However this ends up, I'll be sad once its over. 'Twas a good ride while it lasted, I suppose. :crying:



i expect the reunion something like Morri saying:  i told you not to follow me .....
but am happy you did...:P maybe im too positive here ,dunno
it will be a sad day indeed once it is over:(:unsure:

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MKDAWUSS wrote...

Anyone think we might see the OGB by any chance? Or at least a mention? (Assuming the DR was done of course)


If we don't get at least a mention of the OGB, I'd borderline consider the DLC a failure. They don't have to spill the beans necessarily, but they've promised some answers, I damn well expect Morrigan to be more forthcoming than she was in the DR scene. As to whether we'll see the OGB? Chances are it would only be about several months old if Witch Hunt is taking place 1 year after the AD died. So I don't know...did Morrigan find a nanny for it or is she going to be carting it around in a stroller?:wizard:


Swoo wrote...
 I'm sure the counter point is 'You don't think we can make new guys just as cool?', but I'm not too sure... Awakening didn't exactly have me forgetting about Team A.


Right on- It wasn't even their relative lack of dialogue; I just couldn't shake the feeling that the companions in Awakening weren't as interesting as Origins. Maybe DA2 will make us forget about Origins? Doubtful....

Swoo wrote...
I agree with the other poster, I would have easily/gladly/happily paid 12-15 bucks for a larger DLC that made sure they got it right, and it didn't feel rushed. My worst fear for this is that it will be a 30 minute to 1 hour DLC like all their other DLC, and that the actual Morrigan resolution will be done in 2 minutes time, sandwhiched inbetween meeting new people and fighting monsters.


Yeah, thats my fear too. That it'll be a dungeon grind for 90% only to stumble on Morrigan in the last 5 minutes, maybe have one line of her remembering the romance and then fade to black. Game over, Warden. I just think BioWare screwed up big time by not having Morrigan's resolution and other Origins companions show up in an expack for Origins. I would have gladly payed upwards $20 to be sure to have a solid end to the Warden's story. I really hope this DLC sells well, since sales numbers are the only thing BioWare seems to measure when gauging the success of a product. Of course, even then they' d draw the wrong conclusions from it...

Swoo wrote...
I am really glad it's being made though, the not knowing would have been killer. And when I pick up DA2 when it's on sale for 10-15 bucks, maybe some of the stuff I learn in Witch Hunt will make Flemeth's interactions a little bit sweeter.


Yup, my interest in DA2 will likely plummet after this DLC. Which is probably a good thing for my studies and my grades!:wizard:

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Everything good must come to an
end, and it's natural we feel a bit of sadness that we get to leave
Origins and move on, especially since it affected us, or at least me,
deeply in almost every way. In my first playthrough, I was choking up
from the DR scene, to the companion speeches before the battle to the
post-coronation and epilogue, with the thought of "I don't want it to
end" in my head. In fact, I always choke up at the end part in all my
playthroughs.

But the "I don't want it to end" sentiment was
complemented, for me, with "this is the best damn ending I've ever
experienced". Or at least I am hoping this DLC will have that affect on
me, so I can leave Origins behind and try to move on to DA2 (which I am
almost certain I won't like just as much).


Same here KoP- its like when watching Return of the King- every time Theoden gives his speech and clashes his swords down the line, knowing how he'll end up-:crying: I just hope this is a quality DLC and not some scrapped together mess like most of the other DLCs have been.  I want tears of joy when I'm done playing this- not wanting to call an Exalted March on Edmonton.

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Its funny when you go around the internet and read most of the articles regarding this DLC- the vast majority are surprised that they're dealing with Morrigan in DLC and not a full fledged sequel or expansion. A Warden/Morrigan expack would have been GOLD, but oh well....

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Brockololly wrote...

Its funny when you go around the internet and read most of the articles regarding this DLC- the vast majority are surprised that they're dealing with Morrigan in DLC and not a full fledged sequel or expansion. A Warden/Morrigan expack would have been GOLD, but oh well....


Yes. It's quite funny. Well I could understand since if you're dealing with a story like this, you'd have to deal with it in an epic way. Would have gladly payed a lot more if this was an expac. But oh well.

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Its funny, this is the one time I would happily fork over more money to BioWare and EA if it meant MOAR!... Guess they only want my $7!:whistle:

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Brockololly wrote...

Its funny when you go around the internet and read most of the articles regarding this DLC- the vast majority are surprised that they're dealing with Morrigan in DLC and not a full fledged sequel or expansion. A Warden/Morrigan expack would have been GOLD, but oh well....


QFE

DA should have gotten another ExPack period. It feels kind of weird having only one ExPack for DAO. Hopefully they didn't mail it in on this DLC like they did with GOA

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

I just want it to end, and not
leave some stupid plot hanging, if they say:
Morri kills the warden,
so you can move on to Hawke I will just... well do something.

oh the warden will certainly be afforded another opportunity to off himself in this outing, most likely offing himself after the second kick in the balls he's due to receive.

Brockololly wrote...
I may regret saying this, but I trust Gaider not to screw over the
Morrigan romancers or Morrigan herself by going the route of some goofy
death. Hopefully.

when will you learn brock :)

Brockololly wrote...
I just hope this is a quality DLC and not some scrapped together mess like most of the other DLCs have been.  I want tears of joy when I'm done playing this- not wanting to call an Exalted March on Edmonton.


My money's on a facepalm moment, coupled with a Gaidering. Maybe one or two lines to acknowledge your relationship, though tbh I'll be amazed if the dlc even takes that into account considering their track record on importing & managing plot flags. I look forward to Barbarossa's post when/if he plays it though. Oh yeah, I'm looking forward to the boulder/desire demon moment too :)

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Brockololly wrote...

Its funny, this is the one time I would happily fork over more money to BioWare and EA if it meant MOAR!... Guess they only want my $7!:whistle:


Indeed! xD They only want our $7. They could have made so much MOAR. Wrong move BW, wrong move. XD We will gladly pay so much more for Morrigan.

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ximena wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Its funny, this is the one time I would happily fork over more money to BioWare and EA if it meant MOAR!... Guess they only want my $7!:whistle:


Indeed! xD They only want our $7. They could have made so much MOAR. Wrong move BW, wrong move. XD We will gladly pay so much more for Morrigan.


If it ends up being a total flop, $7 may feel like it was too much.

I'm excited, but also worried about this at the same time. The entire Morrigan story arc is a minefield IMO - if it's done horribly, there's going to be a LOT of e-raging across the net.

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Terra_Ex wrote...

My money's on a facepalm moment, coupled with a Gaidering. Maybe one or two lines to acknowledge your relationship, though tbh I'll be amazed if the dlc even takes that into account considering their track record on importing & managing plot flags. I look forward to Barbarossa's post when/if he plays it though. Oh yeah, I'm looking forward to the boulder/desire demon moment too :)


Dammit! I forgot I provided Gaider with the Desire Demon/Trapped in Fade Morrigan reunion idea. Damn!:whistle:

Do you think your mod will work ok with any importation into Witch Hunt, Terra? I PM'd Fernando Melo asking what the relevent flags to worry about when importing to Witch Hunt may be, but no word as of yet. Maybe this is what that "still_in_love" thing is all about?

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alright well i want to know what the last stage of romance iis with morrigan, i dont want to accidentally screw it up



im up to the point where i ask her to join me in my tent and she says IF THATS ALL YOU WANT FROM ME, something along those lines



and then when i say we need to discuss us and i say about what you said when i asked you to join me in my tent...



and she says she loves me (i think) and tells me to break up with her and tell her its over, but i said i dont want it to end and she says im a selfish bastard or something and we will suffer, and that is how it should be



is that the end of the romance storyline?



i know that sounded like a bunch of he said she said nonsense but i really want to know

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Brockololly wrote...

Terra_Ex wrote...

My money's on a facepalm moment, coupled with a Gaidering. Maybe one or two lines to acknowledge your relationship, though tbh I'll be amazed if the dlc even takes that into account considering their track record on importing & managing plot flags. I look forward to Barbarossa's post when/if he plays it though. Oh yeah, I'm looking forward to the boulder/desire demon moment too :)


Dammit! I forgot I provided Gaider with the Desire Demon/Trapped in Fade Morrigan reunion idea. Damn![smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

Do you think your mod will work ok with any importation into Witch Hunt, Terra? I PM'd Fernando Melo asking what the relevent flags to worry about when importing to Witch Hunt may be, but no word as of yet. Maybe this is what that "still_in_love" thing is all about?

Should do, if not it's a very simple matter to write a script to force specific flags to be set/unset regardless.

And yes Brock, if this does come to pass we all know who is to blame.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie] If Gaider is hinting that Morrigan may persist beyond the dlc I really wouldn't expect too much.

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I'm wondering if maybe this DLC explains the MorriClone Army in the DA2 trailer? XD

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Terra_Ex wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Terra_Ex wrote...

My money's on a facepalm moment, coupled with a Gaidering. Maybe one or two lines to acknowledge your relationship, though tbh I'll be amazed if the dlc even takes that into account considering their track record on importing & managing plot flags. I look forward to Barbarossa's post when/if he plays it though. Oh yeah, I'm looking forward to the boulder/desire demon moment too :)


Dammit! I forgot I provided Gaider with the Desire Demon/Trapped in Fade Morrigan reunion idea. Damn![smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

Do you think your mod will work ok with any importation into Witch Hunt, Terra? I PM'd Fernando Melo asking what the relevent flags to worry about when importing to Witch Hunt may be, but no word as of yet. Maybe this is what that "still_in_love" thing is all about?

Should do, if not it's a very simple matter to write a script to force specific flags to be set/unset regardless.

And yes Brock, if this does come to pass we all know who is to blame.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie] If Gaider is hinting that Morrigan may persist beyond the dlc I really wouldn't expect too much.


in the interview on the french site Mike implied that there will be more Morrigan even after DA2 so..hmm
maybe a linkup with our warden in DA3? 

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where did my postt go?

EDIT:aaah there it is:P

Modifié par wickedwizzard01, 26 août 2010 - 02:24 .


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Brockololly wrote...

I'm wondering if maybe this DLC explains the MorriClone Army in the DA2 trailer? XD

lol, makes about as much sense as why Morrigan left to travel to frostback and beyond only to turn around and come back pretty sharpish, meanwhile awakening's warden allegedly went searching for her and since she said she wouldn't return to ferelden... *sigh*

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Swoo wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
So I'd treat this DLC as a goodbye to your Warden.:crying:


You know, that does make me really sad.

Dragon Age to me was my Warden and all the people who were with him. From my favorites like, well, everyone but Wynne...to the people I didn't like, like Wynne...and Wynne.

Without them I just can't get much excitement going about DA2. I don't mean that as I 'I hate you Bioware and I'll never, ever play anything you make ever again!', but just more overall melancholy to the end of some of Bioware's best NPCs. I'm sure the counter point is 'You don't think we can make new guys just as cool?', but I'm not too sure... Awakening didn't exactly have me forgetting about Team A.

I agree with the other poster, I would have easily/gladly/happily paid 12-15 bucks for a larger DLC that made sure they got it right, and it didn't feel rushed. My worst fear for this is that it will be a 30 minute to 1 hour DLC like all their other DLC, and that the actual Morrigan resolution will be done in 2 minutes time, sandwhiched inbetween meeting new people and fighting monsters.

I am really glad it's being made though, the not knowing would have been killer. And when I pick up DA2 when it's on sale for 10-15 bucks, maybe some of the stuff I learn in Witch Hunt will make Flemeth's interactions a little bit sweeter.

Both of these *10

I’ve never understood, and I don’t have to, the premise that Thedas is the Main Character of DA. It’s a deep and interesting backdrop, but in no way, shape or form the Main Character. The Warden was, and the best part of the game was the assembling of the rag-tag team of those who stayed to help you (unlike those who ran away to the free marches as fast as their yellow feet would carry them), despite the overwhelming odds against you and the deep and complex relationships you had.

Awakening failed to build on that, though I really liked the potential in Nathaniel Howe’s character, it just didn’t get deep enough and explored.

It will be nice to get some more Morrigan and some closure. I have a sinking feeling BW wasn’t expecting some of the reaction they received when they announced DA:2, and will try to ‘cure’ many of us of our Warden fixation. The best way to try to get people to embrace Mickey Weasel, er Hawke, is to eliminate the competition, and making his or her death canon. I’m thinking, US Part II.

Modifié par Ash Wind, 26 août 2010 - 02:40 .


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Ash Wind wrote...

Swoo wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
So I'd treat this DLC as a goodbye to your Warden.:crying:


You know, that does make me really sad.

Dragon Age to me was my Warden and all the people who were with him. From my favorites like, well, everyone but Wynne...to the people I didn't like, like Wynne...and Wynne.

Without them I just can't get much excitement going about DA2. I don't mean that as I 'I hate you Bioware and I'll never, ever play anything you make ever again!', but just more overall melancholy to the end of some of Bioware's best NPCs. I'm sure the counter point is 'You don't think we can make new guys just as cool?', but I'm not too sure... Awakening didn't exactly have me forgetting about Team A.

I agree with the other poster, I would have easily/gladly/happily paid 12-15 bucks for a larger DLC that made sure they got it right, and it didn't feel rushed. My worst fear for this is that it will be a 30 minute to 1 hour DLC like all their other DLC, and that the actual Morrigan resolution will be done in 2 minutes time, sandwhiched inbetween meeting new people and fighting monsters.

I am really glad it's being made though, the not knowing would have been killer. And when I pick up DA2 when it's on sale for 10-15 bucks, maybe some of the stuff I learn in Witch Hunt will make Flemeth's interactions a little bit sweeter.

Both of these *10

I’ve never understood, and I don’t have to, the premise that Thedas is the Main Character of DA. It’s a deep and interesting backdrop, but in no way, shape or form the Main Character. The Warden was, and the best part of the game was the assembling of the rag-tag team of those who stayed to help you (unlike those who ran away to the free marches as fast as their yellow feet would carry them), despite the overwhelming odds against you and the deep and complex relationships you had.

Awakening failed to build on that, though I really liked the potential in Nathaniel Howe’s character, it just didn’t get deep enough and explored.

It will be nice to get some more Morrigan and some closure. I have a sinking feeling BW wasn’t expecting some of the reaction they received when they announced DA:2, and will try to ‘cure’ many of us of our Warden fixation. The best way to try to get people to embrace Mickey Weasel, er Hawke, is to eliminate the competition, and making his or her death canon. I’m thinking, US Part II.


NO Way my warden is way to much of a bad  ass to die, and if Morrigan is suposed o kill my warden like some people say
She wont do that just cares too much:P he might eventually die in the deep roads but not without killing loads of darkspawn first:sick: 

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wickedwizzard01 wrote...

Ash Wind wrote...

 I’m thinking, US Part II.


NO Way my warden is way to much of a bad  ass to die, and if Morrigan is suposed o kill my warden like some people say
She wont do that just cares too much:P he might eventually die in the deep roads but not without killing loads of darkspawn first:sick: 


Posted Image I hope you're right! I just don't get that impression.

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US Part II???



BS - I never did it once, I won't do it now --if I go out, it won't be through a sacrifice when I have an alternative

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Brockololly wrote...

Its funny when you go around the internet and read most of the articles regarding this DLC- the vast majority are surprised that they're dealing with Morrigan in DLC and not a full fledged sequel or expansion. A Warden/Morrigan expack would have been GOLD, but oh well....

I've never played a male character, but Morrigan always ends up as my best friend by the end of the game. Every time I hear her apologizing for not earning my friendship before she's even offered the DR I choke up. I don't know what happened, but I know she saved my life. I still feel guilty that she left, as if there was something I could have done to make her want to stay. I am one who would happily have paid for a full expansion, if only because I want a resolution other than "my best friend left to raise Maker knows what by herself."

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So this is it for the Warden? Posted Image For a long at least. I can only hope that Bio sees reason by DA3 and goes back to the Origins format. How I miss the time when I was playing my original playthrough. I remember myself  thinking,"man, this is just like the Jade Empire and KOTOR days! Bioware's the ****!" And then I went onto the forums and found you guys, now I'm just skeptical and negative towards everything Posted Image

As for Witch Hunt, I bet that the last part of it will involve a conversation with Morri. What'll be weird though is that these two random people will just be standing there, totally out of place. Unless something happens to them (I have a sneaking suspicion that they'll get offed somehow), or the Warden has to face Morri alone.

Diamond on a Landmine

Great song sumarizing the whole Morrigan plot/romance and Witch Hunt.