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[SirOccam]

sickserb wrote...

alright well i want to know what the last stage of romance iis with morrigan, i dont want to accidentally screw it up

im up to the point where i ask her to join me in my tent and she says IF THATS ALL YOU WANT FROM ME, something along those lines

and then when i say we need to discuss us and i say about what you said when i asked you to join me in my tent...

and she says she loves me (i think) and tells me to break up with her and tell her its over, but i said i dont want it to end and she says im a selfish bastard or something and we will suffer, and that is how it should be

is that the end of the romance storyline?

i know that sounded like a bunch of he said she said nonsense but i really want to know

No, you should still be good at that point. The bug only hits if you talk to her during the climax (so to speak). Either avoid talking to her or bring along a gold mirror or something and re-initiate the romance.

[Brockololly]

It just seems like tremendous waste of an opportunity story wise but more practically for BioWare, money wise, by not turning Morrigan's story at least into part of a full expansion. Maybe if this DLC sells really well they might realize that?

But of course, I think the connection many may feel towards Morrigan is only due to the Warden. While Morrigan's story is interesting, you take the Warden out of the equation and it sort of just turns Morrigan into yet another Plot Device and not the multi-faceted witch we know.

[wickedwizzard01]

i believe most people wouldn't had much problem with paying $20 or so for an expansion with morrigan

like you said Monica , i at least am very surprised it's a DLC .

i really had expected it to be an expansion, but iguess i was wrong

[ximena]

Brockololly wrote...

It just seems like tremendous waste of an opportunity story wise but more practically for BioWare, money wise, by not turning Morrigan's story at least into part of a full expansion. Maybe if this DLC sells really well they might realize that?
But of course, I think the connection many may feel towards Morrigan is only due to the Warden. While Morrigan's story is interesting, you take the Warden out of the equation and it sort of just turns Morrigan into yet another Plot Device and not the multi-faceted witch we know.

I wouldn't be as interested if Morrigan is dealt with by another character. It's not that engaging. Nevertheless, I'd be interested on knowing more about the witch. But yeah...

[SirOccam]

Brockololly wrote...

It just seems like tremendous waste of an opportunity story wise but more practically for BioWare, money wise, by not turning Morrigan's story at least into part of a full expansion. Maybe if this DLC sells really well they might realize that?

But of course, I think the connection many may feel towards Morrigan is only due to the Warden. While Morrigan's story is interesting, you take the Warden out of the equation and it sort of just turns Morrigan into yet another Plot Device and not the multi-faceted witch we know.

That's true, but I think if the Warden has a significant impact on her, it will have been worthwhile, even if he must die. If she comes back in DA2 or DA3 or whatever, even though the GW won't be there, if she acts a certain way that you can tell was a result of her relationship with the GW (be it friendly or romantic), then I for one would be content with that. To quote Wynne: "Yes, I am content. It is enough." I'll at least know that it wasn't all in vain.

Obviously it's not my first choice for ending the Morrigan/GW saga, but I'm just trying to make my peace with the reality of the situation, which is that Morrigan looks like she will go on and the GW won't.

[wickedwizzard01]

SirOccam wrote...

sickserb wrote...

alright well i want to know what the last stage of romance iis with morrigan, i dont want to accidentally screw it up

im up to the point where i ask her to join me in my tent and she says IF THATS ALL YOU WANT FROM ME, something along those lines

and then when i say we need to discuss us and i say about what you said when i asked you to join me in my tent...

and she says she loves me (i think) and tells me to break up with her and tell her its over, but i said i dont want it to end and she says im a selfish bastard or something and we will suffer, and that is how it should be

is that the end of the romance storyline?

i know that sounded like a bunch of he said she said nonsense but i really want to know

No, you should still be good at that point. The bug only hits if you talk to her during the climax (so to speak). Either avoid talking to her or bring along a gold mirror or something and re-initiate the romance.

Nope, its at the end of the game just before the final battle with the arch demon

[TJPags]

Brockololly wrote...

It just seems like tremendous waste of an opportunity story wise but more practically for BioWare, money wise, by not turning Morrigan's story at least into part of a full expansion. Maybe if this DLC sells really well they might realize that?
But of course, I think the connection many may feel towards Morrigan is only due to the Warden. While Morrigan's story is interesting, you take the Warden out of the equation and it sort of just turns Morrigan into yet another Plot Device and not the multi-faceted witch we know.

True.  They really missed a chance for a full blown OGB resolution . . .could have been epic.

[SirOccam]

wickedwizzard01 wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

sickserb wrote...

alright well i want to know what the last stage of romance iis with morrigan, i dont want to accidentally screw it up

im up to the point where i ask her to join me in my tent and she says IF THATS ALL YOU WANT FROM ME, something along those lines

and then when i say we need to discuss us and i say about what you said when i asked you to join me in my tent...

and she says she loves me (i think) and tells me to break up with her and tell her its over, but i said i dont want it to end and she says im a selfish bastard or something and we will suffer, and that is how it should be

is that the end of the romance storyline?

i know that sounded like a bunch of he said she said nonsense but i really want to know

No, you should still be good at that point. The bug only hits if you talk to her during the climax (so to speak). Either avoid talking to her or bring along a gold mirror or something and re-initiate the romance.

Nope, its at the end of the game just before the final battle with the arch demon

I was under the (perhaps mistaken) impression that that was the climax. The post-coronation stuff (if that's what you thought I meant) is more like denouement. (And Morrigan's not there anyway )

Modifié par SirOccam, 26 août 2010 - 03:13 .

[wickedwizzard01]

there's somefin really wrong with this tread again . posts keep dissappearing then show up again then i am 3 pages back and so on
all kinds of weird stuff happenig

EDIT: HEELPPP,  .... Everything is screwing up now:sick:

Modifié par wickedwizzard01, 26 août 2010 - 03:16 .

[wickedwizzard01]

Maybe EA virus:P

[Brockololly]

On the topic of any hope for the further adventures with the Warden in DAO, well as we knew Witch Hunt is it, apparently because BioWare wants to shove Hawke down our throats pronto, screw any previous plans for Origins expansions or DLC .... I could rant about DA2 and how it seems BioWare wants to kill off Origins fast, but I'll politely refrain^_^:

Chris Priestly wrote...

To clear a few things up.

No new content for Dragon Age: Origins INCLUDES no new content for Dragon  Age: Origins Awakening. Witch Hunt is the final new content for Dragon Age: Origins.

I know this is not what a lot of you wanted to hear, but I thought it better to let you all know so you can look forward to Witch Hunt and DA2 without holding hope for more DA:O.

And much is being said of "What about the promise of 2 years of DLC?" or  "You broke your promise" or similar. We made this promise while we were finishing Dragon Age: Origins and were working on Dragon Age: Origins Awakening and DLC. We did not expect DA2 to come together so well or so quickly. We could have chosen to delay DA2 and continued to put out DA:O DLC, but we know how awesome DA2is going to be. The decision was made to continue making DLC all the way to Witch Hunt and then it would end  as we ramped up for DA2. When we said "2 years of DLC" we said that in good faith, but when something as excellent as Dragon Age 2 comes along, it changes plans for the better.

While I understand this upsets a few of you, you still get awesome DLC like Darkspawn Chronicles, Golems of Amgarrak, and Witch Hunt, plus loads of excellent fan made  adventures through the Dragon Age toolset  and then have a brand new  Dragon Age adventure to look forward to with Dragon Age 2. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]




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I'm really trying to not to vomit and roll my eyes at some of that.....*sigh*

So for all we know, they had another expansion planned or something to further expand the Warden's story, but Hawke killed it. Lovely. I'll just hold Darkspawn Chronicles and Feastday Gifts ever so close to my chest and never let those gems go...<_<

Modifié par Brockololly, 26 août 2010 - 04:08 .

[Aphetto_LC]

Might as well just admit DA:2 is officially a reboot.

Could also make the claim that DA:2 killed Morrigan's continued story that would have included the Warden (i.e the Orlais plot line).  Why else is Bioware delaying her story until DA:3?  Watch them completely reintroduce her.

Modifié par Aphetto_LC, 26 août 2010 - 04:15 .

[Blacklash93]

TJPags wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

It just seems like tremendous waste of an opportunity story wise but more practically for BioWare, money wise, by not turning Morrigan's story at least into part of a full expansion. Maybe if this DLC sells really well they might realize that?
But of course, I think the connection many may feel towards Morrigan is only due to the Warden. While Morrigan's story is interesting, you take the Warden out of the equation and it sort of just turns Morrigan into yet another Plot Device and not the multi-faceted witch we know.

True.  They really missed a chance for a full blown OGB resolution . . .could have been epic.

Umm... we don't know how WH will play out. Morrigan's story could very well continue after this DLC. For all we know, she'll just drop a few hints to what she's doing and disappear again.

Besides, Urthemiel should have already been reborn by the time this takes place and I doubt he's with her.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 26 août 2010 - 04:22 .

[Aphetto_LC]

The more I think about the whole thing. It is a blatant reboot.

2 years of DLC scrapped because of DA:2.

The mystery flier that came with Awakening, which Bioware has basically swept it under the rug. Then promptly an "anime" gets announced that has a released date that coincides with the flier. Makes no sense to hint at the release date of a stupid "anime" in video game packaging.
I believe that this was going to be Morrigan's story in Orlais. To scrap that just to eliminate the Warden in a blatant attempt to make people like the "Coward of Lothering". No thanks.

For all the claims that the story is the most important feature of Bioware games and the way they are handling DA:O, the story is irrelevant. If the story was actually important, Bioware would not be going about retconing things left and right.

Modifié par Aphetto_LC, 26 août 2010 - 04:32 .

[Brockololly]

Aphetto_LC wrote...

The more I think about the whole thing. It is a blatant reboot.

Yeah, you're probably right and that makes me sad and apathetic towards future DA stuff. The very fact that they retconned Morrigan going to Orlais is telling- what they hell is the deal with her epilogue now where she insinuated herself in the Orlesian court? Ooops. Whats the deal with the Urthemiel plateau? Just a coincidence or will that magically have been retconned to have been located in Ferelden.

All the DA stuff since Origins has felt rushed and rough around the edges, I hope Witch Hunt isn't but given how they're trying to shovel DA2 out the door and down our throars ASAP, I can't help but imagine what might have been....

But yeah, I'll say it again- DA2 is a reboot and like you said above, shuffling Morrigan's story to the side is likely so that they can re-introduce stock generic Morrigan for the Bros in DA3.

*sigh* At least we've got Ximena's comic to provide some actual Warden/Morrigan plot!

[SirOccam]

It would be interesting to see a venn diagram of "Morrigan Fans" and "People Who Think DA2 is Going to be Awesome."

From reading this thread, it seems like the overlap would be very small indeed.

[Zjarcal]

SirOccam wrote...

It would be interesting to see a venn diagram of "Morrigan Fans" and "People Who Think DA2 is Going to be Awesome."

From reading this thread, it seems like the overlap would be very small indeed.

Don't assume every single Morrigan fan lives on this thread. There are plenty of Morri fans looking forward to DA2.

[SirOccam]

Zjarcal wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

It would be interesting to see a venn diagram of "Morrigan Fans" and "People Who Think DA2 is Going to be Awesome."

From reading this thread, it seems like the overlap would be very small indeed.

Don't assume every single Morrigan fan lives on this thread. There are plenty of Morri fans looking forward to DA2.

I don't assume that...I was just remarking on what I perceive to be an inordinate amount of DA2 hate (or at least pessimism), and within a thread dedicated to Morrigan fandom. I, for one, am nestled quite comfortably in that overlap. I know there are many in there with me, but it just seems curious to find so much Morrigan fanaticism and so much DA2 pessimism both here.

[ximena]

PureMethodActor wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
*sigh* At least we've got Ximena's comic to provide some actual Warden/Morrigan plot!

I agree! I love "Demons Within." Its one of the things I look most forward to when I check my devian****ch messages for new BiowareFanClub submissions.

Ximena, I just want to say great job with the art and story!

Also, you don't happen to do commissions by any chance, do you?

Ahaha. Thank you. It gives me some fuzzy feelings that a lot of you like, even love, the fan comic. Ahaha. I am currently closed for commissions since there's still leftover work from my.... neglected list. XD


Anyway, I am very excited yet very wary of the DLC. *narrows eyes* I hope this time around we won't get kicked around that much.

[sickserb]

what epilogue slide means morrigan is still in love with you???

[adneate]

SirOccam wrote...

It would be interesting to see a venn diagram of "Morrigan Fans" and "People Who Think DA2 is Going to be Awesome."

Well I don't understand how anyone can think DA2 is going to be awesome based on the nothing they've told us about the game as it exists as a video game. Maybe a flashy CG trailer a bunch of memes  and a few vague answers from the Devs are enough for some people but I don't think there is enough information to form a firm opinion in either direction. You can either be concerned with the direction of the game or interested in the game, anything else seems a tad silly.

As for Morrigan fans somehow being more against DA2 than other people, Is that so surprising Morrigan romancers got promised and kicked around the most in Origins. They're the most invested in The Warden as the vehicle for their experience with the world and the consequences of their choices. Obviously anything that removes The Warden and that personalized vehicle for dealing with the consequences isn't going to be met with cheers, since it largely robs the player of the expected resolution to the larger plot that the Morrigan romance plays in to. It's based on rational concerns not just some blind frothing hatred of new things and new characters.

[MoSa09]

Aphetto_LC wrote...

Could also make the claim that DA:2 killed Morrigan's continued story that would have included the Warden (i.e the Orlais plot line).  Why else is Bioware delaying her story until DA:3?  Watch them completely reintroduce her.

I am in a strange mood today, and willing to give BioWare some faith. Yeah, the Warden's story ends after Witch Hunt, and i think to hope for more is futile. And yes, Morrigan's story does not need to end after Witch Hunt.

But that does not necessarily mean its all meaning less.

1. In that same french video interview where Laidlaw hinted they were saving Morri's story for DA 3, he also tried to evadse spilling the beans to announce the rumored Morrigan dlc. So all of this could be some big smokescreen. The same can be said about Gaider's comment lately. They wanna get the people to buy Witch Hunt, and at the same time keep the content of Witch Hunt a sacret. What better way to do so than leaving players in the dark about what goings to happen, thereby providing some false or maybe just partly correct information about her future involvement.

Maybe not very likely, but something to consider.

2. Flemeth, by now, is the shared being that connects both Dragon Age games, and she also connects Morrigan and the Warden. Flemeth part seems to vital for DA 2, and as Hawke is about to change the world regardless of what he does, its safe to assume whatever happens to Flemeth, her impoact will be felt in DA 3as well.

And as it was her who started the Morrigan plot line in the first place, Morrigan's future role in DA 3 might not be as big as we think, but merely a result of being Flemeth daughter, her mother helping Hawke changing the world, and her being the vessel of Flemeth first plan with the Warden.

In short, she could be part of DA 3 without such a heavy personal involvement, giving Witch Hunt some more space to provide for a meaningful and better personal resolution.

3. As i said before, DA 3 could be less about Morrigan herself but about the things she initiated. Maybe DA 3 playes ten years after DA 2, the old god baby is in his 20s and either the hero or the villain of DA 3 then. OR something entirely different makes the plot, something what Morrigan did before returning to Ferelden. Anyway, DA 3 could be less about her but about her plan coming into action. This equally leaves some room for Witch Hunt to provide meaningful closure, as Morrigan's role in Da 3 could be fairly limited givin this scenario.

4. DA 3 could be decades after Origins, the Warden long dead, and Morrigan being old and taking the role of Flemeth from DA 2. That way, Witch Hunt could also provide personal closure for the time the Warden is alive, leaving Morrigan to return with her story after her lover had to dohis calling.

I am just trying, as weird as it may sound from a devoted Morrigan fan, to be positive that her future impact in DA 3 might, even if unlikely, just some smokescreen or close to non-existant on a personal level, which would open up opportunities for the dlc to do something good and satisfying, both short term and long termn as the franchise expands to her fanboys.