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[adneate]

SirOccam wrote...
Okay, all of that above I see as needless pessimism. It's all assumptions, like how the 10-year thing will work or that more responsive = hack and slash.

So when you make the assumption based on the few scraps of information that Dragon Age 2 will be great and I make the assumption based on the same information that the direction causes me concern, you are right and I am wrong. Funny how this always works, the people saying the game will be great and BioWare never makes a mistake are always right and those who express concerns are just whiny and pessimistic and we shouldn't listen to what they say because they're wrong.

SirOccam wrote...
I'm not trying to talk anyone into liking the game if they don't, but this all just illustrates my point.

Well you seem to be trying pretty hard to discredit anyone who doesn't think DA2 is going to be the greatest thing since sliced bread, I suppose BioWare should thank you for the free PR you're doing for them.

SirOccam wrote...
They've told us plenty. I'm excited by it, you seem to be on the opposite end of the spectrum. But either way, we're both beyond simply being interested or having reservations.

I said what my reservations are and would appreciate more information to either confirm or dispel them, I don't seem to recall saying DA2 was a bad game or it would be categorically worse than Origins. Prehaps since I'm not blindly singing a faceless corporation's praises and promising them my hard earned money in advance, you naturally pidgeon hole my opinion so you don't have to bother with it.

SirOccam wrote...
I don't see how they're ditching anything or not "properly finishing" their game. How do you know this isn't how they intended to resolve the Morrigan storyline all along?

The simple fact that they planned 2 years of DLC and now have changed their plan to make Witch Hunt the final DLC for Origins demonstrates that this wasn't how they orginally intended to finish the Morrigan storyline. They had previous plans but now have changed them because of Dragon Age 2, I don't claim to know how they intended to finish the storyline however I doubt this was the original plan after Origins shipped.

SirOccam wrote...
Anyway...whatever. If people want to be dead-set against the game no matter what, that's their business. Obviously people can put a negative spin on any piece of news, as you demonstrated above.

Just as people can put a positive spin on anything and blindly defend every change made to the franchise, see I can condescend  as well.

[Master Shiori]

Could we keep this discussion focused on Morrigan please?



I don't want to see this thread get locked due to going off topic.

[SirOccam]

adneate wrote...

SirOccam wrote...
Okay, all of that above I see as needless pessimism. It's all assumptions, like how the 10-year thing will work or that more responsive = hack and slash.

So when you make the assumption based on the few scraps of information that Dragon Age 2 will be great and I make the assumption based on the same information that the direction causes me concern, you are right and I am wrong. Funny how this always works, the people saying the game will be great and BioWare never makes a mistake are always right and those who express concerns are just whiny and pessimistic and we shouldn't listen to what they say because they're wrong.

I'm not making assumptions, though, you are. They say combat is streamlined, I say great. Streamlining is good, in my opinion. I'm not adding anything to what they are saying. You, on the other hand, are saying streamlining = turning the game into hack and slash. You're adding to what they are saying.

No matter how good the game eventually could be, I won't expect everyone to love it, and I don't expect everyone to love everything we've heard so far. But 99% of the complaints I hear are baseless assumptions. "There's a dialogue wheel so clearly the game is a Mass Effect clone." "They say combat is more responsive so that means it's a God of War clone." "They are improving the console version so obviously they don't care about PC players anymore and are just chasing the dollar."

Same thing with the game having a 10-year span. You are assuming they're going to make it like Fable 2, where it'll just have a "10 years later..." screen in the middle. I am not assuming anything. 10-year span sounds really cool to me. That's all.

It's funny how you accuse me of trying to pigeonhole your viewpoint, but you're trying, at least as hard as you say I am, to paint me as some kind of rabid fanboy. I don't think BioWare are infallible. There was a bunch of stuff I didn't like in DAO, and from what little we know of DA2, I really don't like the look of the new Darkspawn, for example. But even that is at least based on something I've already seen.

Anyway, yes, this is getting way off-topic. The original point wasn't, but I don't think there's any more progress to be made there.

[Brockololly]

FWIW, I'd agree with adneate. Much of how I view DA2 story wise, will be based on how WItch Hunt turns out. But I've ranted on the shortcomings of the DR and the lack of resolution for Morrigan in Origins enough before. As for Hawke, to me it comes down to BioWare seemingly adopting more from NWN and ME for DA2 rather than BG2, which is what DA was supposed to be inspired by. So instead of getting a sequel that expands on the characters introduced in the first game and provides some actual character development, we get a NWN style brand new PC with no connection to the first. Thats fine, but you damn well better have closed off the PC from the first game before doing so- like ToB closed off the Bhaalspawn's story. And being a PC player....yeah, I'm not thrilled with the the direction and choices they;re making with DA2. All we've gotten thus far is mostly useless marketing gibberish thats killed my interest in the game for the reasons adneate and others have mentioned.  

But back on topic of Morrigan!

Master Shiori wrote...

Wouldn't mind to see how Morrigan looks with DA2's engine.

I'm curious but as I've said before, would hope she is recognizable face wise. I'm not a fan of the art style retcon but out of a sense of curiousioty if nothing else, I'd be curious to see how they reimagine old characters. Could be neat or a disaster- like so much else with DA2.

Another Morrigan related question:
In going around the internet and reading the articles on Witch Hunt it seems some people think Morrigan and her "secret" she carries is that she has upped her shapeshifting abilities and can turn into a dragon now, courtesy of the OGB possibly? Don't know if I buy that, but if you did the DR, she would have had the OGB by now, right? Did she just leave it with Grandma Flemeth while she is off scouring ancient Elven ruins? Where is it?

I'm wondering if maybe the OGB is a means to an end and that perhaps, just like they retconned away Morrigan going to Orlais, or how they retconned away Morrigan's promise to never return to Ferelden, they find a way to have Morrigan retconned away from simply having the OGB as a symbol of freedom but maybe instead no baby ever comes from the DR, but rather Morrigan somehow just utilizes the soul of Urthemiel for her own needs and desire for power?

Considering they already have MOrrigan a liar in that she blatantly says she'd never return to Ferelden and she is (seemingly) back, what else might get retconned away in this DLC?

[Aphetto_LC]

I can only imagine what the original plan for Morrigan was, but it would have been awesome to have played a 10-15 hour expansion where you have to track down Morrigan.  Not a little DLC where you put forth no effort in finding her.  To just imagine roaming through Orlais, stumbling across rumors and clues that could possibly lead you to Morrigan and if you came across enough of these plot points you would indeed find her, while finding to few, your search would end up in failure.  All the while, the Warden falls into the issues Orlais must deal with.  Would have also enjoyed talking to Orlaisian Wardens.

Modifié par Aphetto_LC, 26 août 2010 - 10:07 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Is Flemeth possesing an Female Qunair mage now?

Or does she bring magical abilities to a non mage?



Kate Mulgrew is getting interview somewhere, I have heard and I would love to ask her about Flemeth.

[Aphetto_LC]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Is Flemeth possesing an Female Qunair mage now?
Or does she bring magical abilities to a non mage?

Kate Mulgrew is getting interview somewhere, I have heard and I would love to ask her about Flemeth.

More likely just a visual retcon, like the Qunari.

Edit - And Kate Mulgrew returning to voice Flemeth is the only news I have liked about DA2.  If Morrigan does appear in DA2, it better be Claudia Black.

Modifié par Aphetto_LC, 26 août 2010 - 10:11 .

[IndigoWolfe]

I have a question; Morrigan couldn't have gone through her entire pregnancy without having at least some help. Do you think she will have a companion that's been following her around for a while in Witch Hunt?

[SirOccam]

Brockololly wrote...

I'm wondering if maybe the OGB is a means to an end and that perhaps, just like they retconned away Morrigan going to Orlais, or how they retconned away Morrigan's promise to never return to Ferelden, they find a way to have Morrigan retconned away from simply having the OGB as a symbol of freedom but maybe instead no baby ever comes from the DR, but rather Morrigan somehow just utilizes the soul of Urthemiel for her own needs and desire for power?

Considering they already have MOrrigan a liar in that she blatantly says she'd never return to Ferelden and she is (seemingly) back, what else might get retconned away in this DLC?

I don't think any of those things are necessarily retcons, and I think calling Morrigan a liar is a bit premature. She could easily have never intended to return. Maybe something significant happened that altered her plans. Maybe she forgot her toiletries back at Flemeth's hut.

Also, how do we know she never went to Orlais? Maybe she went there and came back. Seems pretty straightforward to me. Even the "insinuating herself into the Orlesian court" ending doesn't HAVE to mean she took a long time to do it. It could be as simple as her seducing a current, high-ranking member of court.

Anyway, I highly doubt they will retcon the OGB away, especially if the foundation of that theory are these other "retcons."

Edit: I don't want to keep spamming, so I'll just add it here. The Qunari did not get retconned.

Modifié par SirOccam, 26 août 2010 - 10:13 .

[phaonica]

A little bit of new info on DA2. For the sake of keeping things on topic, the Morriclone army is apparently fighting Wardens, not Templars.

http://social.biowar...1/index/4582524

Modifié par phaonica, 26 août 2010 - 10:13 .

[Aphetto_LC]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I have a question; Morrigan couldn't have gone through her entire pregnancy without having at least some help. Do you think she will have a companion that's been following her around for a while in Witch Hunt?

Another plot hole...

[Aphetto_LC]

phaonica wrote...

A little bit of new info on DA2. For the sake of keeping things on topic, the Morriclone army is apparently fighting Wardens, not Templars.

http://social.biowar...1/index/4582524

Wardens dressed as Templars...  <_<

And, a Army of Wardens and the Hero of Fereldan is not there...  <_<

Edit - The Qunari do not look the same as they did in Origins = visual retcon

Modifié par Aphetto_LC, 26 août 2010 - 10:16 .

[phaonica]

Aphetto_LC wrote...

phaonica wrote...

A little bit of new info on DA2. For the sake of keeping things on topic, the Morriclone army is apparently fighting Wardens, not Templars.

http://social.biowar...1/index/4582524

Wardens dressed as Templars...  <_<

And, a Army of Wardens and the Hero of Fereldan is not there...  <_<

Well, you know.... no Blight.

[Aphetto_LC]

Brockololly wrote...

In going around the internet and reading the articles on Witch Hunt it seems some people think Morrigan and her "secret" she carries is that she has upped her shapeshifting abilities and can turn into a dragon now, courtesy of the OGB possibly? Don't know if I buy that, but if you did the DR, she would have had the OGB by now, right? Did she just leave it with Grandma Flemeth while she is off scouring ancient Elven ruins? Where is it?

I'm wondering if maybe the OGB is a means to an end and that perhaps, just like they retconned away Morrigan going to Orlais, or how they retconned away Morrigan's promise to never return to Ferelden, they find a way to have Morrigan retconned away from simply having the OGB as a symbol of freedom but maybe instead no baby ever comes from the DR, but rather Morrigan somehow just utilizes the soul of Urthemiel for her own needs and desire for power?

Considering they already have MOrrigan a liar in that she blatantly says she'd never return to Ferelden and she is (seemingly) back, what else might get retconned away in this DLC?

I am suspecting that "Witch Hunt" will ignore the existence of the OGB.

[Aphetto_LC]

phaonica wrote...

Well, you know.... no Blight.

Ah.  So those Grey Wardens are just there to make sure no darkspawn interfere with the Morriclone Army.  Such a noble group they are.

[MoSa09]

Brockololly wrote...

Considering they already have MOrrigan a liar in that she blatantly says she'd never return to Ferelden and she is (seemingly) back, what else might get retconned away in this DLC?

To be fair, calling her a liar because of that might be a bit too much, don't you think. At the moment she told you so, she might have been determined to never return and completely believed it herself.

But things changed, and maybe she is forced to return for some reason we do not know and she never expected herself. Maybe Witch Hunt will also reveal this reason to us players as well.

Anyway, things can happen we never imagined and force people to do things they never expected to do. So just saying, calling her a liar and concluding we get this and more retcons is a bit far fetched until we actually played the dlc and see for ourself if there is a valif reason for return or not?

Aphetto_LC wrote...


Edit - The Qunari do not look the same as they did in Origins = visual retcon

This

Edit: And on on the Wardens fighting mages: OGB (even if just theoretically as the Warden refused) - reborn god - old god = arch demon - Flemeth shapeshifting into a dragon: mix this up and i am sure you'll come up with something that might be of some concern for the Grey Wardens

Modifié par MoSa09, 26 août 2010 - 10:34 .

[SirOccam]

Aphetto_LC wrote...

phaonica wrote...

A little bit of new info on DA2. For the sake of keeping things on topic, the Morriclone army is apparently fighting Wardens, not Templars.

http://social.biowar...1/index/4582524

Wardens dressed as Templars...  <_<

And, a Army of Wardens and the Hero of Fereldan is not there...  <_<

Edit - The Qunari do not look the same as they did in Origins = visual retcon

Sten does not have horns = no retcon. We saw only un-horned Qunari in Origins, but who says that means Qunari as a whole don't have horns?

Anyway, I don't think I trust very much about that GameTrailers video. Why would Wardens be fighting apostates? Not to mention they look exactly like Templars. Some of their info is oddly specific (like naming Viscout Dumar), so I don't think they made it all up, but I think at least some of it is guesswork.

Edit: hmm, I take that back:

Chris Priestly wrote...

SteveGarbage wrote...

This
is horrible. It has information that can't be verified or is just flat
out wrong (Grey Wardens fighting robed mage army? WRONG)
Here's a better breakdown at greywardens.com.

Well, since we supplied them with the information they put up.....




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Modifié par SirOccam, 26 août 2010 - 10:28 .

[GardenSnake]

I'm pretty sure the new Flemeth look is just a retcon.... I mean her shapeshifting into a younger slightly more youthful version of herself for reasons unknown :/



Honestly, hoping that Witch Hunt will be story heavy is probably too much, which is sad seeing as the fact that it's a send off to our Warden (at least for Origins, fingers crossed for future titles. I don't care what you say!) and this is an RPG that prides itself on its story. Just a grind and a few convos as a send off sounds really lame. Hopefully one of the party members bites the dust and Morri has to join you temporarily. I know that not much can be done story wise in an hour, but if it's just a grind with three or four dialouges in between, that'll be 7 bucks I wish I haden't spent. But what does Bio/EA care? They got my dough, I'm the sucker.



And to the two arguing above, come the **** on. Wrong thread, and the chances of you convincing the other that you're right over the INTERNET of all places is 0% As the Superintendant once said," Keep it clean."

[phaonica]

SirOccam wrote...

Anyway, I don't think I trust very much about that GameTrailers video. Why would Wardens be fighting apostates? Not to mention they look exactly like Templars. Some of their info is oddly specific (like naming Viscout Dumar), so I don't think they made it all up, but I think at least some of it is guesswork.

Except that it's been confirmed...

Chris Priestly wrote...

SteveGarbage wrote...

This is horrible. It has information that can't be verified or is just flat out wrong (Grey Wardens fighting robed mage army? WRONG)
Here's a better breakdown at greywardens.com.

Well, since we supplied them with the information they put up.....

[ejoslin]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I have a question; Morrigan couldn't have gone through her entire pregnancy without having at least some help. Do you think she will have a companion that's been following her around for a while in Witch Hunt?

Why couldn't she have?  

Edit: I have children, so don't try to explain the difficulties of pregnancy.  A young woman with magic at her disposal would probably be able to handle a pregnancy and a delivery.  Riskier?  Sure.  But doable.

Modifié par ejoslin, 26 août 2010 - 10:30 .

[phaonica]

It's a Morriclone Army VS The Wardenclone army!



For Flemeth's amusement.

[MoSa09]

SirOccam wrote...

Sten does not have horns = no retcon. We saw only un-horned Qunari in Origins, but who says that means Qunari as a whole don't have horns?

That the lousiest explanation i've heard, the same one BioWare tried to sell. We have seen a few Qunaris: Sten, his brethren, the merchant in Awakening. No horns. We have heard about them, the War,  read the codex entries. No horns.

Suddenly they have horns, and its all like "oh, you just never heard about or saw one with horns, but they already had them during Origins". C'mon, its a lame excuse you witness almost every day as the beauty is, everyone knows you lying and doing a retcon but no one can prove.

Its not of any importance that would determine if DA 2 is good or bad, buts is pretty obvious and equally badly cover up for a Qunari retcon

On a different note: If you guys could make a wish: Should she have the OGB with her or not (assuming its still a baby)? I think it would be nice if the Warden as father would be able to see his most probably one and only child.

Somehow, i have my doubts, but i do wonder what would be  even worse: that the baby just got killed or she left her so important baby she needs to run away from us somewhere behind to check some ancient elven ruins in Ferelden?

Modifié par MoSa09, 26 août 2010 - 10:40 .

[Aphetto_LC]

SirOccam wrote...

Sten does not have horns = no retcon. We saw only un-horned Qunari in Origins, but who says that means Qunari as a whole don't have horns?

Wow.  You seriously think horns are the only thing Bioware changed regarding how the Qunari look.  The enitre character model is different now.

[SirOccam]

Aphetto_LC wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

Sten does not have horns = no retcon. We saw only un-horned Qunari in Origins, but who says that means Qunari as a whole don't have horns?

Wow.  You seriously think horns are the only thing Bioware changed regarding how the Qunari look.  The enitre character model is different now.

No, but it's the only significant thing. They have new models for every race; they're all going to look a bit different than in Origins. If that concept art didn't have horns, he would just look a little bulkier with some paint on him.

[Aphetto_LC]

SirOccam wrote...
No, but it's the only significant thing. They have new models for every race; they're all going to look a bit different than in Origins. If that concept art didn't have horns, he would just look a little bulkier with some paint on him.

You are entitled to your opinion, but if that is all you see that is different, you obviously do not really care enough to notice the changes.  I bet you will be one of the people who will like Morrigan's new character model.