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[SirOccam]

Aphetto_LC wrote...

SirOccam wrote...
No, but it's the only significant thing. They have new models for every race; they're all going to look a bit different than in Origins. If that concept art didn't have horns, he would just look a little bulkier with some paint on him.

You are entitled to your opinion, but if that is all you see that is different, you obviously do not really care enough to notice the changes.  I bet you will be one of the people who will like Morrigan's new character model.

Yes, obviously. I just "don't care" as much as you do. That must be it. I can't just have a different opinion. That would be crazy.

Anyway, I find it funny that your last sentence is meant disparagingly. The fact that you see liking a new character model for Morrigan as something bad just speaks volumes. You clearly have already decided that you won't like it, but somehow that's okay. You want to close your mind and refuse to accept anything that's not exactly like Origins, you go right ahead. I'm not going to feel bad when I'm enjoying the game come March and you're stewing in your bitterness because of all the scary changes.

Anyway, back on...well not on-topic, but back on the previous off-topic topic...apparently some of those things from GameTrailers ARE guesswork after all. And it would appear the Templar/Warden thing is one of them:

Chris Priestly wrote...

Evil Chris Priestly: *Getting Smacked* Owww... quit it!
David Gaider: *Smack* Never! You correct that statement about the pop-ups.
Priestly: Do I have to?
Gaider: *Smack* Yes. *Smakc*
Priestly: But some of them are true, we did give some of them to Gametrailers.
Gaider: *Pauses* Yes, that is true.
Priestly: I just didn't say that they were also allowed to speculate on other details.
Gaider: Why not?
Priestly:
Cuz it is fun to watch them get all confused. I mean, the video clearly
shows templars and stuff. Flemeth's new host? I mean, come on!
Gaider:
You get in there right now and clarify that so our fans understand that
there are some speculation in there amongst the facts. NOW!
*WAkka-Smack*
Priestly: Owwwwww. Yes Mr Gaider Sir.


Clearer now? Or do I have to be beaten again?



[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

Modifié par SirOccam, 26 août 2010 - 10:55 .

[GardenSnake]

SirOccam wrote...

Aphetto_LC wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

Sten does not have horns = no retcon. We saw only un-horned Qunari in Origins, but who says that means Qunari as a whole don't have horns?

Wow.  You seriously think horns are the only thing Bioware changed regarding how the Qunari look.  The enitre character model is different now.

No, but it's the only significant thing. They have new models for every race; they're all going to look a bit different than in Origins. If that concept art didn't have horns, he would just look a little bulkier with some paint on him.

And fricken claws......

[Aphetto_LC]

Anyone thinking that the 2 new companions in the DLC will get offed at some point in the DLC?

Modifié par Aphetto_LC, 26 août 2010 - 11:24 .

[GardenSnake]

Aphetto_LC wrote...

Anyone thinking that the 2 new companions in the DLC will get offed at some point in the DLC?

Agreed, hopefully to make way for some Morrigan companionship again.

[Brockololly]

Aphetto_LC wrote...

Anyone thinking that the 2 new companions in the DLC will get offed at some point in the DLC?

Personally I hope that male mage bites the dust leaving room for Morrigan to join the party.

As for Morrigan lying- yeah, thats may be a bit harsh as circumstances change and all that. Just considering how they sort of handwaved away Leliana's Song taking place in Ferelden and now Morrigan magically showing up in Ferelden rather than Orlais, it seems they're sort of ignoring or trying to work the lore around the gameplay limitations of the DLC. So long as it makes sense in game, I don't care- but given some of the DLC and how they've treated story- Morrigan hanging around in Darkspawn Chronicles 4 teh LULZ?- I have my concerns with how this DLC turns out.

Morrigan states it rather bluntly if you check in the toolset when she is talking to Loghain about the OGB:

" The child will never know of its father, and I will never return to Ferelden. That I swear."
VO note: quiet and firm, she makes a promise and she means it

Well, she returned to Ferelden and we're apparently meeting her again. Not much one for sticking with promises, it would seem. So long as the DLC is quality I really don't care what they do- just respect the lore and the prior decisions and such and I'll be happy.

Modifié par Brockololly, 26 août 2010 - 11:36 .

[Aphetto_LC]

Brockololly wrote...
Well, she returned to Ferelden and we're apparently meeting her again. Not much one for sticking with promises, it would seem. So long as the DLC is quality I really don't care what they do- just respect the lore and the prior decisions and such and I'll be happy.

Might just be that I like detective style games, but I would have loved to have a real search for Morrigan plot.  One where it was not set in stone that you will find her.  Would have been more satisfying for Morrigan to be dumbstruck when the Warden meets her again.

[MKDAWUSS]

Brockololly wrote...

Aphetto_LC wrote...

Anyone thinking that the 2 new companions in the DLC will get offed at some point in the DLC?

Personally I hope that male mage bites the dust leaving room for Morrigan to join the party.

As for Morrigan lying- yeah, thats may be a bit harsh as circumstances change and all that. Just considering how they sort of handwaved away Leliana's Song taking place in Ferelden and now Morrigan magically showing up in Ferelden rather than Orlais, it seems they're sort of ignoring or trying to work the lore around the gameplay limitations of the DLC. So long as it makes sense in game, I don't care- but given some of the DLC and how they've treated story- Morrigan hanging around in Darkspawn Chronicles 4 teh LULZ?- I have my concerns with how this DLC turns out.

Morrigan states it rather bluntly if you check in the toolset when she is talking to Loghain about the OGB:

" The child will never know of its father, and I will never return to Ferelden. That I swear."
VO note: quiet and firm, she makes a promise and she means it

Well, she returned to Ferelden and we're apparently meeting her again. Not much one for sticking with promises, it would seem. So long as the DLC is quality I really don't care what they do- just respect the lore and the prior decisions and such and I'll be happy.

The only plausible explanation that MIGHT hold would be the Warden-Morrigan romance, but even that's a weak explanation (not to mention that there's other SL's to account for).

This really should have been an XP with entirely new modules IMO. Another thing they could have done was announce it now and release it in December, having it be something between your typical DLC and Awakenings in terms of size (resources and story/gameplay).

All I know is, I have my facepalm collection at the ready.

[MKDAWUSS]

Aphetto_LC wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
Well, she returned to Ferelden and we're apparently meeting her again. Not much one for sticking with promises, it would seem. So long as the DLC is quality I really don't care what they do- just respect the lore and the prior decisions and such and I'll be happy.

Might just be that I like detective style games, but I would have loved to have a real search for Morrigan plot.  One where it was not set in stone that you will find her.  Would have been more satisfying for Morrigan to be dumbstruck when the Warden meets her again.

True, this does seem to give a neon sign development. Really the only other thing the Warden has in his toolchest is Morrigan's Ring.

Forget the OGB mention, is there going to be a mention of Hawke? Is HAWKE the reason she returned to Ferelden? Is there going to be a few questions that get to be answered in DA2? Did Hawke tell her to go back? Considering that Hawke seems to be the character of the hour in the Dragon Age world right now...

[Aphetto_LC]

MKDAWUSS wrote...
Forget the OGB mention, is there going to be a mention of Hawke? Is HAWKE the reason she returned to Ferelden? Is there going to be a few questions that get to be answered in DA2? Did Hawke tell her to go back? Considering that Hawke seems to be the character of the hour in the Dragon Age world right now...

Why?  Why did you have to say this?  Joking or not, why?  

[Giggles_Manically]

So how many Morri varriables are there?
Lets make a chart:

Female Warden- Friendly, Neutral, Hostile (Relationship)/ Morri kicked out, or Kept/DR or, Other.
So 3 x 2 x 2 = 12 Possible Morrigans here.

Male Warden- Friendly, Neutral, Hostile (Relationship)/ Morri kicked out, or Kept/DR or, Other.
-Romanced, Not Romanced, Romanced then dumped (has kid)
So 3 x 2 x 2 x 2 = 36 different variables.

Or in total about 48 different Morrigans that can be encountered here.

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 27 août 2010 - 12:16 .

[Brockololly]

Aphetto_LC wrote...
Might just be that I like detective style games, but I would have loved to have a real search for Morrigan plot.  One where it was not set in stone that you will find her.  Would have been more satisfying for Morrigan to be dumbstruck when the Warden meets her again.

I still have my dream Morrigan/Warden DLC/expack/sequel stuck in my head and doing a little detective work to find Morrigan or pick up her trail could have been very cool. At least it would have added a bit more variety to your standard BioWare gameplay. Maybe interrogate people or have to search for clues while traversing Thedas...*sigh* what could have been...Sadly, the DLC will probably start with you plopped down at the front door of some ancient elven ruin, having tracked Morrigan down to that area.

Thats sort of what I'm concerned about in DA2 as well- the loss of exploration. In RPGs, its not just playing out the EPIC event- its also the journey to get to that final confrontation/battle/event. Thats what most of the DA DLC totally lack- any sort of build up. They're just too short to really get immersed in the world. One reason I would have preferred MOrrigan's story wrapped up within the lareger context of another expack.

MKDAWUSS wrote...

This really should have been an XP with entirely new modules IMO. Another thing they could have done  was announce it now and release it in December, having it be something  between your typical DLC and Awakenings in terms of size (resources and  story/gameplay).

Completely agree.  I'm happy that we'll get something, but to only have it be a $7 DLC is discouraging- I'd gladly pay waaaaaay more for a mini-expack or something larger. And I'm sure many others would have too. My hope is that maybe this is just like best value $7 DLC ever....but I'm not holding my breath.

All I know is, I have my facepalm collection at the ready.

Same here- If BioWare messes this DLC up, DA2 likely becomes a bargain bin/Steam Sale purchase, if even.

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Forget  the OGB mention, is there going to be a mention of Hawke? Is HAWKE the  reason she returned to Ferelden? Is there going to be a few questions  that get to be answered in DA2? Did Hawke tell her to go back? Considering that Hawke seems to be the character of the hour in the  Dragon Age world right now...

Stop man. Just. Stop. Seriously, if Hawke or the Champion of Kirkwall or anything is mentioned in this DLC ...thats just salt in the wound. Ugh...

@Giggles:

Hmmm... I guess it might boil down to this:
1.) Hostile Morrigan- same for male/female
2.) Neutral Morrigan- same for male/female
3.) Friendly Morrigan- should have some differences between male and female
4.) Romanced Morrigan
5.) New character interacting with Morrigan

Those would sort of be the overall tones I'd think Morrigan could take. Then of course you've got all the variations with the DR - did Alistair, Loghain or the PC do it? Who knew about the Ritual and did they know about the OGB? Did the Warden turn down the DR? Did the Warden turn down the DR but still romance Morrigan, thus giving her a normal kid?

It will be interesting to see how all of that is handled- or not. I'll definitely be playing this DLC thorugh more than once I think.

Modifié par Brockololly, 27 août 2010 - 12:50 .

[Jacks Smirking Revenge]

Brockololly wrote...

All I know is, I have my facepalm collection at the ready.

Same here- If BioWare messes this DLC up, DA2 likely becomes a bargain bin/Steam Sale purchase, if even.

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Forget
the OGB mention, is there going to be a mention of Hawke? Is HAWKE the
reason she returned to Ferelden? Is there going to be a few questions
that get to be answered in DA2? Did Hawke tell her to go back?
Considering that Hawke seems to be the character of the hour in the
Dragon Age world right now...

Stop man. Just. Stop. Seriously, if Hawke or the Champion of Kirkwall or anything is mentioned in this DLC ...thats just salt in the wound. Ugh...

Word

SirOccam wrote...

Edit: I don't want to keep spamming, so I'll just add it here. The Qunari did not get retconned.

I don't want to get this thread locked for off topicness, but how can any deny that the Qunari aren't getting retconned with a straight face. Horns or not. I didn't see any Qunari with those models, skin tone, or tattoos. If you put Sten or any Qunari in Origins or Awakening beside those new models. I would think they are two different species. That to me is a retcon.

Modifié par Jacks Smirking Revenge, 27 août 2010 - 12:48 .

[GardenSnake]

They better not mention Hawke, that would just plain suck. "I thought I told you never to follow me. HAWKE!"

"What?"

Sorry, I have the Hawke-ups. HAWKE! is awesome and so much more badass than you.... HAWKE!"

"...."

[ximena]

GardenSnake wrote...

They better not mention Hawke, that would just plain suck. "I thought I told you never to follow me. HAWKE!"
"What?"
Sorry, I have the Hawke-ups. HAWKE! is awesome and so much more badass than you.... HAWKE!"
"...."

...

Well now that would break Edric's heart. xD

I prefer Hawke to keep his hands on his Morriclone army and his pirate lady. >.>

[Aphetto_LC]

Brockololly wrote...
It will be interesting to see how all of that is handled- or not. I'll definitely be playing this DLC thorugh more than once I think.

The quality is going to determine the re-playibility for me.  Heck, I might not even finish my first playthrough if Morrigan's character is nothing more than a generic shell.

Modifié par Aphetto_LC, 27 août 2010 - 01:01 .

[GardenSnake]

ximena wrote...

GardenSnake wrote...

They better not mention Hawke, that would just plain suck. "I thought I told you never to follow me. HAWKE!"
"What?"
Sorry, I have the Hawke-ups. HAWKE! is awesome and so much more badass than you.... HAWKE!"
"...."

...

Well now that would break Edric's heart. xD

I prefer Hawke to keep his hands on his Morriclone army and his pirate lady. >.>

If that did happen, I don't know if Edric would be more upset, pissed off, or just plain confused.

[Brockololly]

Think I'm going to fire up DAO for one last run to finish my DW Cousland thats been stuck in the Deep Roads all summer to get ready for Witch Hunt. Probably not going to bother with Awakening since besides simply being higher level, I doubt it will have much, if any impact on the DLC...

Modifié par Brockololly, 27 août 2010 - 02:12 .

[MKDAWUSS]

Brockololly wrote...

Think I'm going to fire up DAO for one last run to finish my DW Cousland thats been stuck in the Deep Roads all summer to get ready for Witch Hunt. Probably not going to bother with Awakening since besides simply being higher level, I doubt it will have much, if any impact on the DLC...

I'm in the same boat - just about done with Origins (up next is liberating the Alienage), and I can definitely get Awakening and Amgarrak done before Witch Hunt is released

[Brockololly]

Hehehe... When I PM'd Gaider yesterday I made note that the splash page for Witch Hunt on the Homepage said "ALL" Morrigan questions would be answered:



Gaider clarified saying not all Morrigan questions would be answered. And today the spash page looks like this:


I'm ready to be disappointed in some way. I was never expecting them to answer all questions, but I 'm guessing the only questions they'll answer will be why she left so abruptly and maybe at best only briefly mention the DR and OGB... we shall see...

[Fntsybks]

Brockololly wrote...

@Giggles:

Hmmm... I guess it might boil down to this:
1.) Hostile Morrigan- same for male/female
2.) Neutral Morrigan- same for male/female
3.) Friendly Morrigan- should have some differences between male and female
4.) Romanced Morrigan
5.) New character interacting with Morrigan

Those would sort of be the overall tones I'd think Morrigan could take. Then of course you've got all the variations with the DR - did Alistair, Loghain or the PC do it? Who knew about the Ritual and did they know about the OGB? Did the Warden turn down the DR? Did the Warden turn down the DR but still romance Morrigan, thus giving her a normal kid?

It will be interesting to see how all of that is handled- or not. I'll definitely be playing this DLC thorugh more than once I think.

My guess is that Bioware will combine the neutral/hostile Morrigans - some sort of "I told you not to follow me! :pinched:" Besides that, your list should work pretty well Brock.

As for the DR, most likely there will be some scenes that react just depending on whether the DR happened or not, but that are not too influenced by disposition, with maybe one word inserted as to who completed it (PC, Alistair, Loghain).

[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...

Hehehe... When I PM'd Gaider yesterday I made note that the splash page for Witch Hunt on the Homepage said "ALL" Morrigan questions would be answered:



Gaider clarified saying not all Morrigan questions would be answered. And today the spash page looks like this:


I'm ready to be disappointed in some way. I was never expecting them to answer all questions, but I 'm guessing the only questions they'll answer will be why she left so abruptly and maybe at best only briefly mention the DR and OGB... we shall see...

They'll probably answer anything that doesn't give you hints about Morrigan's role in DA3. So expect the asnwer to the question about the OGB, Flemeth and her plan and about Morrigan leaving.

Now for possible ending to the romance, I don't think BIoware will screw us over like it did in Origins. THis being the last DLC for DA:O and, possibly, the last time we'll get to see our Warden I imagine they'll take it easy on us and let it end relatively happily, if only not to ****** people off and sour them on the idea of DA2 (which, for some, they have already).
We know Morrigan won't die or otherwise come to a bad end since she'll return later. I also doubt they'll kill the Warden off, since some people (those who romanced Alistair, Leliana and Zevran) would be in an uproar of their happy endings got butchered in a DLC, chasing a character they may not even care so much about.

They might have her explain her plans and motivation but still say the relationship between her and the Warden cannot be. This, however, would leave us right where we were after DR, except this time we know why Morrigan is doing what she does. Pretty much unsatisfying and something they could have achievemnt with a simple letter in Awakening. Therefore, I doubt we'll see that scenario.

My prediction?
Morrigan and Warden will part ways again at the end of Witch Hunt, either as foes, friends or lovers who renewed their relationship. In the case of the later, Morrigan will probably say she has business that she needs to take care of (DA3), but will promise to return to her lover after it's done.
Then we get a slide in DA3 epilogue that has Morrigan rejoining the Warden in Ferelden and the 2 of them disappear from history.

[DahliaLynn]

Hi all, in trying to be as objective as possible, I am posting here with regards to a poll I've created "what kind of gamer are you?" focusing on gender, romance, and type of player. You can vote here
Thanks.

[Shade of Wolf]

Maybe the Warden will have the option to join Morrigan and abandon Ferelden. I dunno about anyone else but I would leap at the opportunity..at least it offers some closure and opens a pretty stable plot for future games.

[Master Shiori]

Shade of Wolf wrote...

Maybe the Warden will have the option to join Morrigan and abandon Ferelden. I dunno about anyone else but I would leap at the opportunity..at least it offers some closure and opens a pretty stable plot for future games.

That would work provided they plan to let you use the Warden in the future. Otherwise once DA3 comes and we see Morrigan is alone everyone will demand to know why their Warden isn't with her.

[Brockololly]

Slow day in the Morri thread it seems...

Master Shiori wrote...

Now for possible ending to the romance, I don't think BIoware will screw us over like it did in Origins. THis being the last DLC for DA:O and, possibly, the last time we'll get to see our Warden I imagine they'll take it easy on us and let it end relatively happily, if only not to ****** people off and sour them on the idea of DA2 (which, for some, they have already).

I sure hope you're right Shiori. I know Gaider said their objective was closure, but well, closure doesn't have to be  a happy ending either. But you're right- if this ends with "ROCKS FALL, EVERYBODY DIES!" sure, thats closure but people will call an Exalted March on Edmonton.... (or maybe just me:ph34r:).

Master Shiori wrote...
We know Morrigan won't die or otherwise come to a bad end since she'll return later. I also doubt they'll kill the Warden off, since some people (those who romanced Alistair, Leliana and Zevran) would be in an uproar of their happy endings got butchered in a DLC, chasing a character they may not even care so much about.

I wouldn't put it past BioWare to either kill off MOrrigan or the Warden somehow.  Again, you're right in that for those that don't care for Morrigan to have them die there without their LI and such would be very bad. But with Morrigan and the MorriCLone army and FLemeth and messing with the souls of Old Gods....I don't know....they may "kill" Morrigan off only to have her reappearance later on be attributed to magic or something. And then you've got the wishy washy talk of whether its actually Morrigan at all on the Witch Hunt page. I'm very uneasy whenever dealing with Flemeth, Morrigan or magic- I'm not throwing anything off the table.

Master Shiori wrote...

They might have her explain her plans and motivation but still say the relationship between her and the Warden cannot be. This, however, would leave us right where we were after DR, except this time we know why Morrigan is doing what she does. Pretty much unsatisfying and something they could have achievemnt with a simple letter in Awakening. Therefore, I doubt we'll see that scenario.

Right again. Maybe you have the choice to formally break up with Morrigan, but if they basically force that on the Warden again, thats not closure, thats just another kick in the balls.

Master Shiori wrote...
Morrigan and Warden will part ways again at the end of Witch Hunt, either as foes, friends or lovers who renewed their relationship. In the case of the later, Morrigan will probably say she has business that she needs to take care of (DA3), but will promise to return to her lover after it's done.
Then we get a slide in DA3 epilogue that has Morrigan rejoining the Warden in Ferelden and the 2 of them disappear from history.

Hopefully you're right. I just hope that they don't pull a Viconia or any more disappearing crap.


I am wondering how the whole DLC will be set up and in turn how long it will be. Will we just get plinked down in front of some Elven ruins and told to go in and search for Morrigan? Will we only get to meet back up with Morrigan at the very end?



And are the 2 flags we're worried about for the DLC the APP_MORRIGAN_ROMANCE_ACTIVE and the APP_MORRIGAN_STILL_IN_LOVE flags? Still haven't heard from any of the devs on this issue....

Modifié par Brockololly, 27 août 2010 - 07:50 .