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[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...

Slow day in the Morri thread it seems...

Master Shiori wrote...

Now for possible ending to the romance, I don't think BIoware will screw us over like it did in Origins. THis being the last DLC for DA:O and, possibly, the last time we'll get to see our Warden I imagine they'll take it easy on us and let it end relatively happily, if only not to ****** people off and sour them on the idea of DA2 (which, for some, they have already).

I sure hope you're right Shiori. I know Gaider said their objective was closure, but well, closure doesn't have to be  a happy ending either. But you're right- if this ends with "ROCKS FALL, EVERYBODY DIES!" sure, thats closure but people will call an Exalted March on Edmonton.... (or maybe just me:ph34r:).

He also told us not to worry when he wrote that "ender of hope" line on his profile.

Honestly, I think he's well aware of what this DLC means to all us Morrigan fans and Morrigan romancing Wardens. Despite claiming this is meant for everyone it's easy to see its primary objective is to provide closure for those who did DR and romanced Morrigan. He also knows that we won't be ok with another bad ending after everything we went through in Origins. Throwing us a bone won't cost him anything as long as Morrigan is alive and able to make an appearance in DA3.

Brockololly wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...
We know Morrigan won't die or otherwise come to a bad end since she'll return later. I also doubt they'll kill the Warden off, since some people (those who romanced Alistair, Leliana and Zevran) would be in an uproar of their happy endings got butchered in a DLC, chasing a character they may not even care so much about.

I wouldn't put it past BioWare to either kill off MOrrigan or the Warden somehow.  Again, you're right in that for those that don't care for Morrigan to have them die there without their LI and such would be very bad. But with Morrigan and the MorriCLone army and FLemeth and messing with the souls of Old Gods....I don't know....they may "kill" Morrigan off only to have her reappearance later on be attributed to magic or something. And then you've got the wishy washy talk of whether its actually Morrigan at all on the Witch Hunt page. I'm very uneasy whenever dealing with Flemeth, Morrigan or magic- I'm not throwing anything off the table.

Maybe. But this isn't a high magic setting like Forgotten Realms or D&D, where gods and mortals die one day and get resurrected vie spells or artifacts the next day.
Once you die in DA it's pretty much "game over" and you're on your way to the Maker (unless you happen to be an ancient abomination like Flemeth). Killing Morrigan off only to bring her back to life in DA3 doesn't really make any sense. Much simpler to keep her alive.

Brockololly wrote...

I am wondering how the whole DLC will be set up and in turn how long it will be. Will we just get plinked down in front of some Elven ruins and told to go in and search for Morrigan? Will we only get to meet back up with Morrigan at the very end?



And are the 2 flags we're worried about for the DLC the APP_MORRIGAN_ROMANCE_ACTIVE and the APP_MORRIGAN_STILL_IN_LOVE flags? Still haven't heard from any of the devs on this issue....

My guess is there will be an intro like in Leliana's Song and Golems, where they explain why the Warden is after Morrigan, how he learned where she is and how he teamed up with his companions.

Can't say anything about the flags since that's technical details.

Maybe we could contact Fernando Melo and ask him to speak with the dev team about this problem?

Modifié par Master Shiori, 27 août 2010 - 08:18 .

[Brockololly]

Master Shiori wrote...

Maybe. But this isn't a high magic setting like Forgotten Realms or D&D, where gods and mortals die one day and get resurrected vie spells or artifacts the next day.
Once you die in DA it's pretty much "game over" and you're on your way to the Maker (unless you happen to be an ancient abomination like Flemeth). Killing Morrigan off only to bring her back to life in DA3 doesn't really make any sense. Much simpler to keep her alive.

Yeah, I'm just wondering though- maybe they sort of write off the OGB by having it have happened such that the Old God's soul sort of fused with Morrigan's soul or something making her a pseudo-abomination capable of dragon shapeshifting like Flemeth. I'm just looking out for the whole unintended consequences side of things... but you're probably right that they won't do anything too crazy. But then again, what sort of artifact is Morrigan looking for and why? 

I am soooo much more excited for this DLC than DA2:O

Master Shiori wrote...
Maybe we could contact Fernando Melo and ask him to speak with the dev team about this problem?

I PM'd him a couple days ago and as of now, no response. He posted in this thread the other day which was basically asking about MOrrigan's bugged epilogue. Perhaps more people need to PM him? Or at least inquire who on the more technical side of things would have the answer?

Its one thing when you don't get a tiny epilogue slide in Awakening. But if the import process is handled as slipshod as it was in Awakening you'll have a ton of pissed off people with this DLC- thats a fact.

Modifié par Brockololly, 27 août 2010 - 09:14 .

[GardenSnake]

[quote]Brockololly wrote...
I am soooo much more excited for this DLC than DA2:O


I second that, Hawke? Hawke who. Morri closure is where it's at!

Modifié par GardenSnake, 27 août 2010 - 09:39 .

[GardenSnake]

Brockololly wrote...
I am soooo much more excited for this DLC than DA2:O


I second that, Hawke? Hawke who. Morri closure is where it's at!

Woah, quoting got a bit out of control there. But seriously though, I'm so screwed for next month. What ISN'T coming out? We've got the two Bioware DLCs (I should finish that Liara romance in ME1 now that I mention it), Reach, AND the new Weezer album comes out on the same day as it.
 
And also, that receptionist Morrigan that Ximena drew a few pages back?  Pure class right there.

Modifié par GardenSnake, 27 août 2010 - 09:43 .

[blademaster7]

Master Shiori wrote...

My guess is there will be an intro like in Leliana's Song and Golems, where they explain why the Warden is after Morrigan, how he learned where she is and how he teamed up with his companions.

I haven't played GoA. How is the intro?

Can you imagine Claudia Black narrating the whole thing just like Corinne Kempa in Leliana's song?

"I told him not to follow. Foolish man."   lol...

And speaking of following, I would hate it if I start the game in a dungeon somewhere and get a journal entry "Find Morrigan". That would be lame. Of course, the whole purpose of the DLC is to find her, but I would rather have it happen in good fashion.

Modifié par blademaster7, 27 août 2010 - 09:55 .

[Brockololly]

blademaster7 wrote...

Can you imagine Claudia Black narrating the whole thing just like Corinne Kempa in Leliana's song?

Claudia Black could read anything  and it would be pure sex <3:O

blademaster7 wrote...
And speaking of following, I would hate it if I start the game in a dungeon somewhere and get a journal entry "Find Morrigan". That would be lame. Of course, the whole purpose of the DLC is to find her, but I would rather have it happen in good fashion.

Sadly, I wouldn't doubt it if thats basically what it starts out as- maybe give a quick recap of how she left in Origins and then pan over the Warden and his new companions plus dog travelling in a forest coming across a open area with some ruins- queue companions talking about Morrigan and missing Elven MacGuffin, start DLC, Journal entry: "Explore the ancient ruins to find clues of Morrigan's wherabouts."

I'm happy we're getting a DLC, but thats exactly why this should have been in an expack or mini-expack. They could have really built up the actual detective work of searching for Morrigan if they made it like a hub quest in an expack....oh well...

Modifié par Brockololly, 27 août 2010 - 10:25 .

[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...

Yeah, I'm just wondering though- maybe they sort of write off the OGB by having it have happened such that the Old God's soul sort of fused with Morrigan's soul or something making her a pseudo-abomination capable of dragon shapeshifting like Flemeth. I'm just looking out for the whole unintended consequences side of things... but you're probably right that they won't do anything too crazy. But then again, what sort of artifact is Morrigan looking for and why? 

I am soooo much more excited for this DLC than DA2:O

Well, the problem here is that basicaly you still need the OGB to exist in the first place. That sinmply isn't happening for anyone who refused the DR.

Since we're touching the subject of OGB, I was thinking about how Bioware is going to include it into DA3 storyline and still honor everyone's choices.
So a thought struck me; what is we're looking at the OGB and Morrigan's plan in a wrong way?
We asumed that Morrigan plans to use the OGB in some way. What if she simply wanted to free it not only from the taint but also from Flemeth's machinations?
We know Flemeth will bring down the Chantry in DA2 and this will create a vacuum that needs to be filled. Maybe this is where her plan for the OGB comes into play.
By killing Flemeth and doing the DR, Morrigan frees the child not just from the taint that corrupted it but also prevents it from becoming Flemeth's pawn. Like she said, she gives it freedom.

Morrigan isn't planning to use the child in some way, but rather to keep it hidden and safe from Flemeth. In DA3 we might have Morri deal with Flemeth once and for all and then the child would be free to pursue it's own destiny.

[Master Shiori]

blademaster7 wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

My guess is there will be an intro like in Leliana's Song and Golems, where they explain why the Warden is after Morrigan, how he learned where she is and how he teamed up with his companions.

I haven't played GoA. How is the intro?

Intro was basically about a dwarf noble writing a letter to the Warden where he explains what Angarrak is, says the dwarves sent an expedition there that didn't return and asks for the Warden's help in finding the missing expedition and his brother.

[Aphetto_LC]

Brockololly wrote...
They could have really built up the actual detective work of searching for Morrigan if they made it like a hub quest in an expack....oh well...

This would have been a great sub-plot to the Orlais expansion.  But, it was to good of an idea for Bioware.  After all, there is not enough action and/or you can not amp up detective work.  

/sigh

[Brockololly]

Slight update on the flags- as I said before, I PM'd Melo about whether Terra's mod would work with Witch Hunt and what flags were in play.

Here is his response:

Hi Brockolloly,

Its hard to say whether the mod would work or not as we don't test  our dlc against these - in theory it should be the same flags we use so it should work.

So, I replied again asking more specifically what Morrigan flags need to be set for so that we get the "romanced" Morrigan in Witch Hunt:

I guess I'd just be curious what flags should be set so that Morrigan's  status is correct in Witch Hunt? Its been discussed in this thread you posted in the other day: http://social.biowar...index/4578907/1



Basically, in Origins when you speak to Morrigan after the Ritual when she says this line:

"What was done had to be done. I regret it not. I shall be leaving,  as I said, and so this... entanglement of ours must end. Do you understand?."

That line undoes the APP_MORRIGAN_ROMANCE_ACTIVE flag- so that  Morrigan drops to "friendly" status, as the romance is technically no  longer active. Then at the end of that conversation, Morrigan's last  line sets the flag APP_MORRIGAN_STILL_IN_LOVE to active. The problem is  that in Awakening, in order to get the Morrigan epilogue slide, the  APP_MORRIGAN_ROMANCE_ACTIVE flag needed to be set otherwise you didn't  get that epilogue of searching for Morrigan.

Yet in Origins, if you don't get the APP_MORRIGAN_STILL_IN_LOVE flag set by talking to Morrigan that last time, you miss out on her "sorrow and regret through the ring" epilogue in Origins.



What people want to know is what flags need to be active for Witch  Hunt to properly recognize that the Warden romanced Morrigan? Does it  have to be the APP_MORRIGAN_ROMANCE_ACTIVE flag or the APP_MORRIGAN_STILL_IN_LOVE flag? Or either one? Considering Morrigan's  epilogue was bugged in Awakening people are worried the import will be  messed up going into Witch Hunt.

I'll let you all know if he responds...

Modifié par Brockololly, 28 août 2010 - 12:30 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Devs must hate having smart fans, since they can really burn them on stuff.



I wish I hadent nutted up my game so bad, now I cant play for about a week.

[Brockololly]

The thing that will suck with DA2 is the fact that there won't be a toolset. So even if the game is bugged to high hell, we won't know and won't be able to fix anything. So stuff like Morrigan's missing dialogue or her busted epilogue slides would just remain unfixed, unless BioWare put more effort into the patches.

[Giggles_Manically]

They confirmed no Toolset then for DA2?

Link me please.



Also this is seriously bad news if true.

[Brockololly]

Well, no, they haven't confirmed no toolset, just Laidlaw's wishy washy statement that there will not be one at launch and they are currently investigating whether its something they want to do (update the toolset for DA2).

So its technically possible they may update the toolset post DA2, but considering how little support the existing toolset has really gotten, I'm not holding my breath.

Gaider posted this about a toolset yesterday:

David Gaider wrote...

tommcc wrote...
So yeah: will there be a DA2 toolset? If so, how different will it be from the  first? If there won't be one, why? I'm not just making this as a direct  appeal to the devs; feel free to speculate in here.

I believe Mike already answered this, but let me repeat: we're considering it,  but if there is something for you guys to use it will probably come in  the form of an update to the DAO toolset (which would make sense, as  we're essentially using the same toolset ourselves).

Right now we don't know for certain that we'll have a chance to do this, hence we  aren't mentioning it (lest we be perceived as making iron-clad promises  and then be accused of utter betrayal should we change our minds). We'll eventually decide if and when this will happen-- though I will say that the only reason you received the DAO toolset in timely fashion was  because of the release delay. Had there been no delay you probably would have received the toolset around the time the game actually did come  out-- we don't tend to work on packaging up a toolset for public  consumption until after our work on the game itself is primarily done.

So the answer is: we don't know, on any count. But Mike didn't say "no", so that will have to do for the moment.

Modifié par Brockololly, 28 août 2010 - 12:50 .

[Giggles_Manically]

I am playing Rome Total war while waiting.



Nothing beats watching your foes flee screaming while a sea of good roman steel gives chase.

I think that Morrigan would like my RTW persona more than my main warden.



For some reason I think of Morrigan as a very Sith like person now, after Reading Blood of the Empire on the TOR website. Anyone else see the similarities between her and a sith?"

[Keithhy]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

They confirmed no Toolset then for DA2?
Link me please.

Also this is seriously bad news if true.

Can't remember where it was said, but basically they said that the engine was still the same, and that they were considering releasing an update for the toolset to make it compatible with DA2, rather than coming out with a whole new set.

[Brockololly]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

For some reason I think of Morrigan as a very Sith like person now, after Reading Blood of the Empire on the TOR website. Anyone else see the similarities between her and a sith?"

I'm a bit rusty on my Star Wars lore, but I guess I could see some similarities between a Sith and Morrigan. Both value power, but Sith seem to want to conquer and control others too, which is something I don't think Morrigan has any desire for.

On the other hand though, Morrigan really never shows her emotions and dislikes outwardly showing her emotions to others. And unless I misremember, Sith are all about giving in to their primal emotions like lust, rage and all that.

[KendallX23]

one question...can u get Morrigan's ring through console command ?cause my char skipped this part and went directly to the discussion of love for some reason...and is there a problem with not having the ring ?like not romance ending ?

[sgs1999]

SirOccam wrote...

It would be interesting to see a venn diagram of "Morrigan Fans" and "People Who Think DA2 is Going to be Awesome."

From reading this thread, it seems like the overlap would be very small indeed.

Here is my rendition of said Venn diagram:

O O

[Master Shiori]

I'm an Morrigan fan and I like what I've seen and heard of DA2 so far.

[Giggles_Manically]

I will be a DA2 fan once the Origins story is tied off.
I dont care about combat, or new story telling techniques.

If the story isint finished then I wont play it.

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 28 août 2010 - 06:04 .

[Swoo]

Brockololly wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

For some reason I think of Morrigan as a very Sith like person now, after Reading Blood of the Empire on the TOR website. Anyone else see the similarities between her and a sith?"

I'm a bit rusty on my Star Wars lore, but I guess I could see some similarities between a Sith and Morrigan. Both value power, but Sith seem to want to conquer and control others too, which is something I don't think Morrigan has any desire for.

On the other hand though, Morrigan really never shows her emotions and dislikes outwardly showing her emotions to others. And unless I misremember, Sith are all about giving in to their primal emotions like lust, rage and all that.

The problem with that comparison is Lucas' stories are really High Fantasy mixed with Space Opera. This is white, that is black, and the people who look like they live shades of grey actually end up being 'hidden' in the white or black zones. The Sith philosophy is well and good and you can make good conversation over which philosophy 'works' best at various global and galactic levels, but in Star Wars the Sith are just evil to the core..the end. No wiggle room allowed unless they want to use a Hero's Redemption ending like they did with Vader and Qel-Droma.

So I don't see her as it at all, but that's just because of the hardlines Lucas has imposed.

Now, where's my Witch Hunt trailer? I neeeeds to see this!

[KendallX23]

so no one can answer my question ?

[Brockololly]

Swoo wrote...
 No wiggle room allowed unless they want to use a Hero's Redemption ending like they did with Vader and Qel-Droma.

Yeah- have Morrigan turn EVIL! only for the Warden and the power of love to redeem her?
Not that those sorts of stories can't be well done, but I don't think that sort of thing would necessarily work in DA, at least with how MOrrigan has been characterized thus far.

Swoo wrote...
Now, where's my Witch Hunt trailer? I neeeeds to see this!

Damn straight! I'm trying to remember when they finally released the trailer for Leliana's Song prior to it being released. I'd guess sometime later this week we can expect a trailer perhaps? I'm wondering if maybe they do anything with Witch Hunt at PAX this coming weekend? Not expecting much from DA2 there as the PC version won't be there only the 360 and PS3...

Been playing through Origins again and I can safely say I am waaaaaaay more excited for Witch Hunt than DA2. Its a shame its just a $7 DLC though.