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Aphetto_LC wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
I'm sort of wondering if maybe we get some more news on Witch Hunt today, like maybe the trailer (:o) or if BioWare is going to wait until PAX starts on Friday to release anything. GIven BioWare's marketing, I wouldn't doubt they hold out until PAX but on the other hand I find it incredibly stupid they aren't giving this DLC more press- hell, even Darkspawn Chronicles and Leliana's Song had more press than this one and yet this DLC is probably the one many more people would be interested in, yet they've held out on it for so long.


Because they do not care about Origins anymore.  Bioware is "DA:2, through and through."


Oddly enough had they made Witch Hunt with a bigger budget (expansion or $20 DLC) I would guarantee they would get more sales, so what's the point of going:

"DA2, DA2!!"

When it's still months till it comes out and they could milk more money from Origins at the moment? <_<

Modifié par MortalEngines, 31 août 2010 - 02:29 .


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Brockololly wrote...
I'm sort of wondering if maybe we get some more news on Witch Hunt today, like maybe the trailer (:o) or if BioWare is going to wait until PAX starts on Friday to release anything. GIven BioWare's marketing, I wouldn't doubt they hold out until PAX but on the other hand I find it incredibly stupid they aren't giving this DLC more press- hell, even Darkspawn Chronicles and Leliana's Song had more press than this one and yet this DLC is probably the one many more people would be interested in, yet they've held out on it for so long.

I'm not convinced they saved the best for last. Someone from EA realized that there is a huge demand for Morrigan/Warden and they decided to milk it before DA2. Hence the lack of effort(2 hour DLC instead of an expansion) and marketing.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we're getting a DLC for closure. It's just seems like something they pulled out of their hats to prevent disappointing a portion of their fans while making money in the process.

'Tis obvious, is it not?

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blademaster7 wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
I'm sort of wondering if maybe we get some more news on Witch Hunt today, like maybe the trailer (:o) or if BioWare is going to wait until PAX starts on Friday to release anything. GIven BioWare's marketing, I wouldn't doubt they hold out until PAX but on the other hand I find it incredibly stupid they aren't giving this DLC more press- hell, even Darkspawn Chronicles and Leliana's Song had more press than this one and yet this DLC is probably the one many more people would be interested in, yet they've held out on it for so long.

I'm not convinced they saved the best for last. Someone from EA realized that there is a huge demand for Morrigan/Warden and they decided to milk it before DA2. Hence the lack of effort(2 hour DLC instead of an expansion) and marketing.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we're getting a DLC for closure. It's just seems like something they pulled out of their hats to prevent disappointing a portion of their fans while making money in the process.

'Tis obvious, is it not?


You guys, stupid making me depressed :crying:. I want my hope to be somewhat alive at least and the fact you come up with such good arguments for it just steeps me lower in the dumps. :(

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blademaster7 wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
I'm sort of wondering if maybe we get some more news on Witch Hunt today, like maybe the trailer (:o) or if BioWare is going to wait until PAX starts on Friday to release anything. GIven BioWare's marketing, I wouldn't doubt they hold out until PAX but on the other hand I find it incredibly stupid they aren't giving this DLC more press- hell, even Darkspawn Chronicles and Leliana's Song had more press than this one and yet this DLC is probably the one many more people would be interested in, yet they've held out on it for so long.

I'm not convinced they saved the best for last. Someone from EA realized that there is a huge demand for Morrigan/Warden and they decided to milk it before DA2. Hence the lack of effort(2 hour DLC instead of an expansion) and marketing.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we're getting a DLC for closure. It's just seems like something they pulled out of their hats to prevent disappointing a portion of their fans while making money in the process.

'Tis obvious, is it not?


Actually no. I wouldnt make any sense whatsoever for Bioware to develop another expansion for Origins, while at the same time they're working on Dragon Age 2. Doing so would take away resources and people from DA2, all in order to create content for a game that will soon be over anyway.
Had they released a Morrigan expansion back at the beginning of 2010, instead of Awakening, then you could consider it a sound business sense.

As it is, DLC's don't bring in that much money so I believe Witch Hunt is more of a case of fanservice from Bioware to satisfy the Morrigan fans and get them to accept the transition from Warden to Hawke and DA2.

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Well hey if Witch Hunt is subpar, at least we only payed seven dollars right? Ya, not much of a consalation there......

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Master Shiori wrote...

blademaster7 wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
I'm sort of wondering if maybe we get some more news on Witch Hunt today, like maybe the trailer (:o) or if BioWare is going to wait until PAX starts on Friday to release anything. GIven BioWare's marketing, I wouldn't doubt they hold out until PAX but on the other hand I find it incredibly stupid they aren't giving this DLC more press- hell, even Darkspawn Chronicles and Leliana's Song had more press than this one and yet this DLC is probably the one many more people would be interested in, yet they've held out on it for so long.

I'm not convinced they saved the best for last. Someone from EA realized that there is a huge demand for Morrigan/Warden and they decided to milk it before DA2. Hence the lack of effort(2 hour DLC instead of an expansion) and marketing.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we're getting a DLC for closure. It's just seems like something they pulled out of their hats to prevent disappointing a portion of their fans while making money in the process.

'Tis obvious, is it not?


As it is, DLC's don't bring in that much money so I believe Witch Hunt is more of a case of fanservice from Bioware to satisfy the Morrigan fans and get them to accept the transition from Warden to Hawke and DA2.

But Shiori, DLC's bring in money none the less. Posted Image

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GardenSnake wrote...

But Shiori, DLC's bring in money none the less. Posted Image


Yes, but it's always the case of cost vs gain.

Developing a DLC isn't nearly as expensive as making an expansion. As a result, you can focus on story elements or characters that wouldn't be able to hold their own as a focus of an expansion.
Awakening was a pretty generic expansion that focused on very same things as Origins: what it means to be a Grey Warden. It was even new player friendly because it didnt require you to finish Origins in order to play.
Even with all that it sold poorly compared to Origins (I think I read somewhere that the sales were 1/3 of those Origins had).

By comparison, DLC dont have an imperative to bring in x amount of cash. They're cheap enough to make that covering the production costs is easy so everything they earn is extra cash on top of what the main game brought in. Think of them more akin to clothing and apparel rather then a game. You don't depend on them to survive but they do bring in extra money.
That's why Bioware can touch a wide range if subjects in their DLC: character development and story (Leliana's Song and Stone Prisoner), extra ingame content and items (Warden's Keep and RtO), mindless AU  grindfest (Darkspawn Chronicles) or extra adventures outside the main game (Golems of Angarrak and Witch Hunt).

Witch Hunt, as content that's heavily focused on Morrigan, is developed primarily for those who romanced her, like her character or have done the DR. By marketing it as a final chapter of DA:O you get to bring in people who may not be fans of the character but desperately want that one last adventure with their Warden. Even if they don't care much about Morrigan or her plans, $7 is cheap enough for them to give it a shot anyway. Had it been an expansion ala Awakening, then they could have decided it wasn't worth their money.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 31 août 2010 - 03:36 .


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Update on the Witch Hunt page, apparently the mage is named Finn:


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Finn is a young mage from the Circle of Magi in Ferelden. He considers himself the Circle's best linguist and foremost expert on ancient  Tevinter history–even if others might consider him more of a bookworm, a recluse that spends all of his time in the tower's dark library. Finn  is the unlikeliest of adventurers... but it may come to pass that his  academic expertise will force him to out of the library and into an  adventure where his arcane might is the only thing that stands between him and certain death.


Great, so we'll have some smarmy Circle bookworm probably nagging our ear off about Morrigan....I don't know why, but I have the irrational desire to have my Cousland kill off this guy....

Modifié par Brockololly, 31 août 2010 - 04:18 .


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Oooo! I like his robes. They would look better on my Warden though. ;) My Warden would also be a better mage to have in the party.

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His knowldege about Tevinter will be useful and connected to the old Gods for sure. aAd yes, if he goes circle wynne preaching interrupting my happy reunion, he's dead.

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Brockololly wrote...

Update on the Witch Hunt page, apparently the mage is named Finn:


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Finn is a young mage from the Circle of Magi in Ferelden. He considers himself the Circle's best linguist and foremost expert on ancient  Tevinter history–even if others might consider him more of a bookworm, a recluse that spends all of his time in the tower's dark library. Finn  is the unlikeliest of adventurers... but it may come to pass that his  academic expertise will force him to out of the library and into an  adventure where his arcane might is the only thing that stands between him and certain death.


Great, so we'll have some smarmy Circle bookworm probably nagging our ear off about Morrigan....I don't know why, but I have the irrational desire to have my Cousland kill off this guy....


Think he'll basically be a nerdy version of Wynne?

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Mages circle? Bookworm? FINN?? *sighs* Imma go get the murder knife...

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Awesome? That would be a Wallbanger bigger than Alien 3 itself. Hate hate hate that movie. We already had Awakening for that anyway, with M´hari and Oghren. Probably a lot of people would have liked it the other way round.


I'd gladly they kill off 2 no name companions at the start of the DLC and replace them with 2 old ones from Origins, like Leliana or Alistair...

As for the DLC, I'm of the mind that BioWare originally had far more extensive plans to support DA with at least another expansion pack and more DLC. Yet given how rushed and buggy Awakening was, I'm thinking towrads the end of that project they shifted focus from creating fewer base games with a couple years of substantial DLC to going the more "ME2" style route, having a quicker turnaround with standalone sequels that are much shorter games. My thinking is that they possibly planned Morrigan's return in an expansion pack to cap off Origins but once they went the ME2 route, they're salvaging whatever they had for Morrigan in an expack and pushing it into this DLC..... or not:wizard:


Its just that everyone I know thats played Origins is curious about what the hell happened with Morrigan at the end., whether they liked her or not. That alone would be a big selling point storywise for any future product. Yet by quietly announcing WItch Hunt as a dinky DLC, I've had to tell most of my friends that this is even coming out as they've moved on to other games. But the point is- they are interested in it, they just haven't heard anything about it!

Now if they put Morrigan's story in an expansion pack like Awakening closer to Orgins' release, thats a much better story hook than the disconnected mess that was Awakening. Hell, the only reason I bought Awakening was in the vain hope it would advance the story of the Warden or maybe hint at things to come. It failed miserably in both, IMO. At the end of Awakening, the Warden is the same as he is at the start- nothing has changed. There is little character development. And thats part of my concern with rushing out DA2 as a brand new story- slowly but surely, you'll oversaturate people's tolerance for DA and you end up with franchise fatigue in a very short time. Whereas if you took ME's lead and focused on developing characters instead of the history/geography, I think you'd leave people wanting more rather than finishing one game and not getting excited about the next since it will have the most tenuous of connections to the previous titles.
/End rant

I'll just say it again- I think BioWare is making a huge mistake by relegating Morrigan and the Warden's story in a DLC, nevermind wrapping up Origins on a DLC. I hope Witch Hunt kicks all kinds of ass, but I'm skeptical, as nothing to come out of BioWare since Origins has impressed me that much.

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Finn, Wynne. Finn, Wynne. Hmmm. Did they really have to name him "Finn"?...

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Finn related to Fin= The End? Oh ho ho, you're so clever BioWare....:?

Sort of interesting in his Tevinter knowledge but the second that guy starts whining about my Cousland being involved with an apostate  he gets a healthy dose of murder knife.

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What I'm curious about is why would he join the Warden in his quest to find Morrigan?



Could whatever Morrigan is searching for be tied to ancient Tevinter?

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I would lol if he turns out to be Wynne's lost son.

Eh, it's not like we actually care about DLC companions. We need a trailer or something!

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Brockololly wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...
Awesome? That would be a Wallbanger bigger than Alien 3 itself. Hate hate hate that movie. We already had Awakening for that anyway, with M´hari and Oghren. Probably a lot of people would have liked it the other way round.


I'd gladly they kill off 2 no name companions at the start of the DLC and replace them with 2 old ones from Origins, like Leliana or Alistair...

As for the DLC, I'm of the mind that BioWare originally had far more extensive plans to support DA with at least another expansion pack and more DLC. Yet given how rushed and buggy Awakening was, I'm thinking towrads the end of that project they shifted focus from creating fewer base games with a couple years of substantial DLC to going the more "ME2" style route, having a quicker turnaround with standalone sequels that are much shorter games. My thinking is that they possibly planned Morrigan's return in an expansion pack to cap off Origins but once they went the ME2 route, they're salvaging whatever they had for Morrigan in an expack and pushing it into this DLC..... or not:wizard:


Its just that everyone I know thats played Origins is curious about what the hell happened with Morrigan at the end., whether they liked her or not. That alone would be a big selling point storywise for any future product. Yet by quietly announcing WItch Hunt as a dinky DLC, I've had to tell most of my friends that this is even coming out as they've moved on to other games. But the point is- they are interested in it, they just haven't heard anything about it!

Now if they put Morrigan's story in an expansion pack like Awakening closer to Orgins' release, thats a much better story hook than the disconnected mess that was Awakening. Hell, the only reason I bought Awakening was in the vain hope it would advance the story of the Warden or maybe hint at things to come. It failed miserably in both, IMO. At the end of Awakening, the Warden is the same as he is at the start- nothing has changed. There is little character development. And thats part of my concern with rushing out DA2 as a brand new story- slowly but surely, you'll oversaturate people's tolerance for DA and you end up with franchise fatigue in a very short time. Whereas if you took ME's lead and focused on developing characters instead of the history/geography, I think you'd leave people wanting more rather than finishing one game and not getting excited about the next since it will have the most tenuous of connections to the previous titles.
/End rant

I'll just say it again- I think BioWare is making a huge mistake by relegating Morrigan and the Warden's story in a DLC, nevermind wrapping up Origins on a DLC. I hope Witch Hunt kicks all kinds of ass, but I'm skeptical, as nothing to come out of BioWare since Origins has impressed me that much.


If it was an ExPack and if it came close to the release of DA2, do you think that that would have helped both games? Just wondering.

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Master Shiori wrote...

What I'm curious about is why would he join the Warden in his quest to find Morrigan?

Could whatever Morrigan is searching for be tied to ancient Tevinter?


Well, the OGB is something related to ancient Tevinter...

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Hmm.... This Finn person seems like the one who will fill us in with information.

You click on something and then he starts talking ala Awakening style. I'm calling it right now.... By the time we reach Morrigan, this guy told us everything we need to know :lol:

Warden: Morrigan....
Morrigan: YOU!
Warden: I know your dirty little secret...

The end. Credits roll in :lol: :ph34r:





I hope not...

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blademaster7 wrote...

Hmm.... This Finn person seems like the one who will fill us in with information.

You click on something and then he starts talking ala Awakening style. I'm calling it right now.... By the time we reach Morrigan, this guy told us everything we need to know :lol:

Warden: Morrigan....
Morrigan: YOU!
Warden: I know your dirty little secret...

The end. Credits roll in :lol: :ph34r:


I hope not..


I think you're on to something Blademaster. It seems this guy will be our codex that provides all of Morrigan's secrets before we even get to Morrigan. Ugh....I WANT TRAILER NOW!! *stomps feet like pestulant little kid*

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MKDAWUSS wrote...

If it was an ExPack and if it came close to the release of DA2, do you think that that would have helped both games? Just wondering.


I'm just thinking that instead of Awakening, the first expansion pack should have had much stronger continuity between the characters and events of Origins- including Morrigan. Instead Awakening played out like a direct to video version of Origins- it was trying to set up a brand new story but was so similar in tone to Origins (Darkspawn invasion oh no!) and in structure (recruit people, go to final battle!) that it didn't feel like an expansion pack but like the CLiff notes of some full game. IMO, an expansion pack should expand on the characters and events of the base game- Awakening pretty much ignored most of Origins.Having more continuity  would give you a much stronger story hook for those who are primarily interested in the story for BioWare games. I don't think having an expansion come out close to DA2 would really hurt DA2 that much- it provides closure for Origins fans buying the expack and raises awareness of DA as a brand close to DA2's release.

I just wish the DLC's had been more episodic and story heavy rather than some of the worthless stuff we ended up with...

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Brockololly wrote...

I think you're on to something Blademaster. It seems this guy will be our codex that provides all of Morrigan's secrets before we even get to Morrigan. Ugh....I WANT TRAILER NOW!! *stomps feet like pestulant little kid*

Joking aside, this is exactly how I expect the DLC to play. You're out on a dungeon crawl and as you progress you get bits of information about Morrigan. It could be Finn providing them or just your codex... or even maybe Claudia narrating!

I just hope they don't pull another Architect on us and have her appear 5 minutes before the end only to say a couple of things.

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Master Shiori wrote...

As it is, DLC's don't bring in that much money so I believe Witch Hunt is more of a case of fanservice from Bioware to satisfy the Morrigan fans and get them to accept the transition from Warden to Hawke and DA2.


Which is, in a certain kind of way, just about making money as well, right? Just in the long run this time. Instead if aiming for direct cost - gain, its more like fanservice - more DA 2 sales.

Brockololly wrote...

Update on the Witch Hunt page, apparently the mage is named Finn:


Posted Image


seems like its possible that that very screenshot that looks like the mage tower does not only happen to look like the mage tower, but actually is the mage tower as you go there with him. Could be one of the familiar places to visit.

Brockololly wrote...

Sort of interesting in his Tevinter
knowledge but the second that guy starts whining about my Cousland being
involved with an apostate  he gets a healthy dose of murder knife.


The only ones allowed to say that are the ones who know me by heart and saw the beginning, as well as the endfor now, of our romance. If he even starts complaining, he might hear a nasty sound and watch his guts splashing on the floor before passing out.

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 or even maybe Claudia narrating!


I actually can't hide that having a dlc like Leliana's song, where you would have Claudia narrating the story from time to time with her sultry would be <3 Corinne Kempa has a nice voice as well, and i liked that actually, and imagening Claudia Black doing this...

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Brockololly wrote...

I'll just say it again- I think BioWare is making a huge mistake by relegating Morrigan and the Warden's story in a DLC, nevermind wrapping up Origins on a DLC. I hope Witch Hunt kicks all kinds of ass, but I'm skeptical, as nothing to come out of BioWare since Origins has impressed me that much.


I tend to agree. I find the DLC's a bit light on depth so I was surprised they turned Morrigan's story into a DLC since her secret was a MAJOR plot item in Origins and there has been so much interest in it. At $7, it seems small. I'd pay the $15 that the Stone Prisoner DLC is to ensure that I get a lot of content.