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[Brockololly]

Nice one, Giggles!



How about,

Morrigan: Warming tents since 9:30 Dragon Age

[Giggles_Manically]

Brockololly wrote...

Nice one, Giggles!

How about,
Morrigan: Warming tents since 9:30 Dragon Age

You could add and Juggling flaming knives.

EDIT- I should change my name, I never know if people are laughing or saying my name.
Can we even change our forum names?

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 01 septembre 2010 - 01:54 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
Trying to think of sig-worthy funny or sarcastic Morrigan quotes....ideas?

Maybe not that funny to you, but I really lol at how cute this is when she says it:
"Hihi never! You'll have to carry me"
 
Probably not sig worthy though, but God do I love it when she says that lol

Where is that line from exactly?

If you tell her to "get in the tent woman". That's one of her 3-4 possible replies.
 
Another quote: "What wil they think of next? Darkspawn tax collectors?" 

[Quinnzel]

God she has some hilarious lines at camp:



Warden: Get in the tent woman!



Morrigan: Why, yes Ser! I always follow orders, swiftly, and to the letter!

[Brockololly]

Yeah, you really get some of Morrigan's best lines if you turn her whole "Tis cold in my tent all alone" line down and toy with her a bit. You get her whole "I am evil and I need to be punished" line or the "So you have another reason to invite me to your tent? Am I to mend a tear perhaps?" or I suspect you spend your nights chuckling merrily away to yourself. Alone."

I'm hoping maybe tomorrow (Wednesday) we get the last companion (Dog?) revealed, and then Thursday they release the trailer. That would make sense to me, but we're dealing with BioWare marketing, so what do I know.

Another little curious thing- I was skimming through the toolset and looking through some of Morrigan's dialogue. You've got her discussion on love and the Warden's relationship with her and where its headed when you have this exchange:

============================================================
Warden: I just want to know where this is going.

Morrigan: An odd question, is it not? What do you foresee? Marriage? Children? Shall we settle in the countryside, you paint the shed while I bake the bread? (VO note: sarcasm)

Warden: And what's so terrible about that?

Morrigan: Laughs Are you truly serious? (VO note: incredulous-- but also disconcerted, as the idea of the player being serious appeals more than she's comfortable with)

Or after Morrigan's "bread baking" line you can say this:

Warden: Do you really think I want those things?

Morrigan: Do you have something else in mind? You are the one who asked the question, as if there were somewhere for us to go. (VO note: annoyed)

Warden: If you don't want any of those things, then fine.

Morrigan: I did not say that, precisely. I... no, never mind. (VO note: almost talks about her feelings, then gets mad at herself and changes her mind)

Morrigan: You are a rather curious and frustrating man.Is what you already possess not enough?  Must you always want more? (VO note: covering up her feelings by turning angry)
==============================================================

So yeah, not like we didn't realize it already, but deep down inside, Morrigan wouldn't be opposed to the sunshine and rainbows happy ending- she has just conditioned herself to ignore that possibility. Really thats much like Viconia, except Viconia was much more open about settling down with the Bhaalspawn and all. Morrigan just masks her emotions. Whether that means we have a happy ending in store, or not, we just have to wait a little less than a week now to find out!

Modifié par Brockololly, 01 septembre 2010 - 03:31 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Brock can you put up the toolset notes for the discussion where Morrigan asks the Warden to break up with her.



I wish I could hear it but I screwed up my game and need a while to get my game back up.

[adneate]

Brockololly wrote...

Whether that means we have a happy ending in store, or not, we just have to wait a little less than a week now to find out!

I wouldn't like an ending that was in either extreme, I'd hate a ME2 Tali level fan service ending as much as a giant rock ending with The Warden dead for vague reasons. A more positive ending (like what everyone else got at the end of Awakening and Origins) is in the realm of possibility, it closes off that loose end in a way that brings Morrigan fans at least on par with everyone else and it's unlikely to make anyone froth with seething rage which is always nice when your trying to Hawke a sequel to them in a couple months.

I feel that dispite all the bluster and boasts DA2 is NOT the game BioWare intended to make or when they intended to make the sequel to Origins. DA2 has the stink of EA all over it, it just screams "The EA suits wanted the following changes, we comprimised on this", and The Witch Hunt is what's left of the second EXpack. It might not be so bad getting that ending like this though, instead of going A-B-C-D-E with a big EXpack we just go A-E with the DLC. As much as I like many people would have loved the big EXpack and going through all that game with my Warden I suppose this will have to do, too late now regardless. Though dispite this possibly being the remains of an EXpack I doubt we'll see any new art assets, EXpack 2 probably was just a pile of paper on Gaider's desk and some notes on his computer when it got canned.

Edit: Also I just realized that my only Male Cousland save is gone I deleted it and then never actually re-played it, well this will complicate things for the Witch Hunt DLC since now I don't have a Morrigan romance save.

Modifié par adneate, 01 septembre 2010 - 04:13 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

You have a really good way Adneate to slap us back into reality.

I do agree that an ending with either extremes (dying or living happily ever after) would be meeh to me. I don't see this being a very happy ending, unless they make the DR and the OGB mostly inconsequential.

[GardenSnake]

Well, I'm interested in seeing what a 'happy' ending would be if the two of you were friends. I see lots of good endings for romanced Morri's, but I'm wondering how a friendship happy ending would go like.



"Add me on Facebook!"



"Facebook?"



"Nevermind...."

[RogueWriter3201]

Brockololly wrote...

Yeah, you really get some of Morrigan's best lines if you turn her whole "Tis cold in my tent all alone" line down and toy with her a bit. You get her whole "I am evil and I need to be punished" line or the "So you have another reason to invite me to your tent? Am I to mend a tear perhaps?" or I suspect you spend your nights chuckling merrily away to yourself. Alone."

I'm hoping maybe tomorrow (Wednesday) we get the last companion (Dog?) revealed, and then Thursday they release the trailer. That would make sense to me, but we're dealing with BioWare marketing, so what do I know.

Another little curious thing- I was skimming through the toolset and looking through some of Morrigan's dialogue. You've got her discussion on love and the Warden's relationship with her and where its headed when you have this exchange:

============================================================
Warden: I just want to know where this is going.

Morrigan: An odd question, is it not? What do you foresee? Marriage? Children? Shall we settle in the countryside, you paint the shed while I bake the bread? (VO note: sarcasm)

Warden: And what's so terrible about that?

Morrigan: Laughs Are you truly serious? (VO note: incredulous-- but also disconcerted, as the idea of the player being serious appeals more than she's comfortable with)

Or after Morrigan's "bread baking" line you can say this:

Warden: Do you really think I want those things?

Morrigan: Do you have something else in mind? You are the one who asked the question, as if there were somewhere for us to go. (VO note: annoyed)

Warden: If you don't want any of those things, then fine.

Morrigan: I did not say that, precisely. I... no, never mind. (VO note: almost talks about her feelings, then gets mad at herself and changes her mind)

Morrigan: You are a rather curious and frustrating man.Is what you already possess not enough?  Must you always want more? (VO note: covering up her feelings by turning angry)
==============================================================

So yeah, not like we didn't realize it already, but deep down inside, Morrigan wouldn't be opposed to the sunshine and rainbows happy ending- she has just conditioned herself to ignore that possibility. Really thats much like Viconia, except Viconia was much more open about settling down with the Bhaalspawn and all. Morrigan just masks her emotions. Whether that means we have a happy ending in store, or not, we just have to wait a little less than a week now to find out!

Though it's been said already, thank you for posting these Brock. When it comes to the lost or hidden dialogue found in the toolset, you are a Wizard. As for whether or not we might get a Super Mega Happy Ending, a standard Happy Ending, or a Baldur's Gate Viconia Ending? I think there's the real chance we might get all three. We have to remember that this is BioWare, and they see that much has changed and that, when it comes to Love Interests, you have to try to appeal across the spectrum. Now, someone mentioned they didn't want a "Fan Service" Tali ending, and while I have no doubt that ME3 will have Shepard brining Peace to the Quarians and getting that House for Tali on Rannoch, I don't believe Gaider and the writing team would ever go that "Double Rainbow" on us.

But, at the same time, I don't believe they would, for a second, give us the kind of bitter ending Viconia got and leave it as that for the "Happy Ending." Much like with the choice of the US-ending, I think there will likely be a Sad Ending, Bitter Ending, and close to Happy Ending. With the close to Happy ending I envision the Warden dissapearing with Morrigan someplace far. And if the Warden's condition is never cured and he must go for his Calling, I can easily see Morrigan becomming a less Hostile Witch of the Wilds, raising the children she may have with the Warden, teaching them a mix of his values and hers. The Toolset indicates this would be a life she could easily come to love.

[Dave of Canada]

Brockololly wrote...

Warden: I just want to know where this is going.

Morrigan: An odd question, is it not? What do you foresee? Marriage? Children? Shall we settle in the countryside, you paint the shed while I bake the bread? (VO note: sarcasm)

Warden: And what's so terrible about that?

Morrigan: Laughs Are you truly serious? (VO note: incredulous-- but also disconcerted, as the idea of the player being serious appeals more than she's comfortable with)

Or after Morrigan's "bread baking" line you can say this:

Warden: Do you really think I want those things?

Morrigan: Do you have something else in mind? You are the one who asked the question, as if there were somewhere for us to go. (VO note: annoyed)

Warden: If you don't want any of those things, then fine.

Morrigan: I did not say that, precisely. I... no, never mind. (VO note: almost talks about her feelings, then gets mad at herself and changes her mind)

Morrigan: You are a rather curious and frustrating man.Is what you already possess not enough?  Must you always want more? (VO note: covering up her feelings by turning angry)

As much as I prefer Leliana as a character, this very dialogue is what makes me love the Morrigan romance. Instead of being sunshine and rainbows like usual romances, you know she wants you but forces herself not to. I loved Morrigan because she wasn't the usual romance option.

[Brockololly]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Brock can you put up the toolset notes for the discussion where Morrigan asks the Warden to break up with her.

I wish I could hear it but I screwed up my game and need a while to get my game back up.

The discussion that starts when you ask why Morrigan turns down sex?
=============================================================

Warden:  When I asked you to join me in my tent...

Morrigan: Ah. (VO note:she knew this question was coming sooner or later)

Morrigan: I am... not certain what to say. (VO note: awkward)

Morrigan: I warned you, did I not? I told you that this was a weakness that was driving me mad. And yet you insisted. (VO note: uncomfortable--she has no idea how to express her feelings)

(There are a couple different paths here, I'll just pick this one)

Warden: I don't want to hurt you, Morrigan.

Morrigan: Yes you do. And I... I want it, too. (VO note: awkward--and,yes, she is saying "I want you to hurt me."

Morrigan: That is not right, is it? That is not how a normal woman acts? I can see it in your eyes. (VO note: distressed)

Morrigan: Release me. Tell me that you wish to end this. Make me believe you and I... will be grateful. (VO note: she is near the breaking point here--she can't stand the fact that she is in love with the player and begs him to be cruel. This should be a very emotional, almost unreasonable moment.)

Warden: I don't want this to end.

Morrigan: You miserable, selfish bastard. (VO note: anguished)

*PC and Morrigan kiss*

Morrigan: You will regret this. And so will I. And... perhaps that is how it must be. (VO note: turning away from him, trying to control herself--she is disconsolate).

adneate wrote...
I wouldn't like an ending that was in either extreme, I'd hate a ME2 Tali level fan service ending as much as a giant rock ending with The Warden dead for vague reasons.

Yeah, I'd agree. Any ending should make sense given Morrigan as a character. They obviously won't frolic through a lush meadow skipping along singing merrily into the double rainbow filled sunset but I'd hate for a "Rocks fall. Everyone dies" ending too. Basically, an ending where they can be together and walk off together would be nice. Sort of like Viconia's ending, minus the whole poisoning thing. I just have a bad feeling though that when Gaider says this DLC is meant to provide closure, he basically just means "Morrigan and the Warden are still never going to be together, but this DLC will just let you figure out the reasons why your PC and Morrigan can never have a happy ending." So basically we'll still have the kick in the balls, just this time they'll have dragged it out for a bit with some extra explanation.

Obviously my hope is that there are a variety of endings, ranging from bad to good and some in between. But I don't know....as Han Solo might say "I've got a bad feeling about this." I just think we'll get some closure that may give some reason as to why the Warden and Morrigan cannot be together- whether thats the Old God Baby and Morrigan are now like Kryptonite to the Warden, or Flemeth has taken over, or Morrigan turns into a dragon, or something thats on one hand shocking and dramatic and provides closure, albeit via Plot Hammer.

And thats my other concern (among many) with this DLC and the reunion- that the Morrigan we're dealing with now isn't Morrigan the fleshed out character from Origins, but rather Morrigan the Plot Device that has a super important role in the History of Thedas. That whatever it is she is doing with the Elven MacGuffin or OGB will totally overshadow and dominate her characterization versus her relationship with the Warden. With the net result being a BioWare one size fits all version of Morrigan that just creates a disconnect from the Morrigan we knew in Origins.

But thats enough doom and gloom from me, I suppose.


Edit: And if we DO get a happy ending next Tuesday, I will TOTALLY run through the streets as happy as Double Rainbow guy

Modifié par Brockololly, 01 septembre 2010 - 06:04 .

[Brockololly]

dream_operator23 wrote...
Or does she still say, "Let's make this a night to remember..."? That would sound wrong to me, but maybe there was only so much dialogue that they could record for the scene.

Just quickly looking in the toolset the only difference in the last line if you accept the DR is that its this if Morrigan is in love:
====================================

Morrigan: Come, my love. Put the thoughts of the ritual aside and let us make this last night together one to remember.(VO note: purred, sensual)

And like this for every other male, irregardless if you hate her guts or are best buddies:

Morrigan: Come to me, then, and we shall make this last night together something to remember. (VO note: purred, sensual)
============================================

So yeah, they're pretty much the same. The overall similarities in the DR lines for all the Wardens is one the reasons I think its a pretty poor scene. I understand the resource limitations, but its arguably the biggest scene in the game and should ideally play out vastly different for a Warden thats in love with Morrigan versus one that hates her guts. As it is, there are just a couple lines difference with too much of the stuff, IMO, sounding too threatening and ominous.

[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...

Yeah, you really get some of Morrigan's best lines if you turn her whole "Tis cold in my tent all alone" line down and toy with her a bit. You get her whole "I am evil and I need to be punished" line or the "So you have another reason to invite me to your tent? Am I to mend a tear perhaps?" or I suspect you spend your nights chuckling merrily away to yourself. Alone."

I'm hoping maybe tomorrow (Wednesday) we get the last companion (Dog?) revealed, and then Thursday they release the trailer. That would make sense to me, but we're dealing with BioWare marketing, so what do I know.

Another little curious thing- I was skimming through the toolset and looking through some of Morrigan's dialogue. You've got her discussion on love and the Warden's relationship with her and where its headed when you have this exchange:

============================================================
Warden: I just want to know where this is going.

Morrigan: An odd question, is it not? What do you foresee? Marriage? Children? Shall we settle in the countryside, you paint the shed while I bake the bread? (VO note: sarcasm)

Warden: And what's so terrible about that?

Morrigan: Laughs Are you truly serious? (VO note: incredulous-- but also disconcerted, as the idea of the player being serious appeals more than she's comfortable with)

Or after Morrigan's "bread baking" line you can say this:

Warden: Do you really think I want those things?

Morrigan: Do you have something else in mind? You are the one who asked the question, as if there were somewhere for us to go. (VO note: annoyed)

Warden: If you don't want any of those things, then fine.

Morrigan: I did not say that, precisely. I... no, never mind. (VO note: almost talks about her feelings, then gets mad at herself and changes her mind)

Morrigan: You are a rather curious and frustrating man.Is what you already possess not enough?  Must you always want more? (VO note: covering up her feelings by turning angry)
==============================================================

So yeah, not like we didn't realize it already, but deep down inside, Morrigan wouldn't be opposed to the sunshine and rainbows happy ending- she has just conditioned herself to ignore that possibility. Really thats much like Viconia, except Viconia was much more open about settling down with the Bhaalspawn and all. Morrigan just masks her emotions. Whether that means we have a happy ending in store, or not, we just have to wait a little less than a week now to find out!

There's also nother line you forgot to add.

When she asks you about what do you forsee, you can answer "I don0t know. What do you want?".

After seeing that Morrigan will put up an face halfway through sad and surprised, and then say that you are a frustrating man and ask if what you already have isn0t enough.

I like that line since it clearly shows how unusual it is for Morrigan to have someone who actually cares for what she want.


Oh, and a happy ending doesn't need to be sunshine and rainbows. We already had a heartbreaking ending in Origins, so playing the whole "This relationship cannot be" card once again wouldn't really acomplish anything.
Some kind of a happy ending, even one where Morrigan and Warden renew their relationship but don't end up living together would work better.

In fact, the only rule when it comes to Morri in Witch Hunt seems to be that she cannot die and must be free to appear in future DA titles.

So as long as she doesn't end up living in some cottage and raising children it should be ok.

[Laverty317]

mmmm Morigan, witch of the wild...in bed

[SirOccam]

Brockololly wrote...

Warden: I don't want to hurt you, Morrigan.

Morrigan: Yes you do. And I... I want it, too. (VO note: awkward--and,yes, she is saying "I want you to hurt me."

Morrigan: That is not right, is it? That is not how a normal woman acts? I can see it in your eyes. (VO note: distressed)

Arrgh, this (the bolded part) is what I love about Morrigan. It makes me that much more anxious for the 7th to come around. I wish there had been a chance here, though, when she asks about it being how a "normal woman" acts, to cut in and be like "I don't want 'normal'" or something.

Morrigan: You miserable, selfish bastard. (VO note: anguished)

*PC and Morrigan kiss*

Morrigan: You will regret this. And so will I. And... perhaps that is how it must be. (VO note: turning away from him, trying to control herself--she is disconsolate).

This always threw me. The self-contained nature of the kissing cutscene, plus the music, right in the middle of these two pretty intense lines, always felt really weird and unnatural.

Obviously my hope is that there are a variety of endings, ranging from bad to good and some in between. But I don't know....as Han Solo might say "I've got a bad feeling about this."

Couldn't have said it better myself. I want...how did it go? I want to paint the shed while she bakes the bread. But I am going to be trying my hardest to beat that hope out of me in the coming week. All signs point to NO.

[KendallX23]

how do u get all this dialogue in the toolset ?or can u hear it too ?

[MortalEngines]

Brockololly wrote...

Warden: I don't want to hurt you, Morrigan.

Morrigan: Yes you do. And I... I want it, too. (VO note: awkward--and,yes, she is saying "I want you to hurt me."

Morrigan: That is not right, is it? That is not how a normal woman acts? I can see it in your eyes. (VO note: distressed)

*PC and Morrigan kiss*

Morrigan: You will regret this. And so will I. And... perhaps that is how it must be. (VO note: turning away from him, trying to control herself--she is disconsolate).

I remember this part, I always think it's an example of great character development/writing. Out of all the characters Morrigan seems to be the one REALLY fighting with herself internally (despite her outer appearance). Even Leliana, with all the ''I hope I don't become like Marjolaine'' non-sense can't compare to this in my eyes.

Morrigan strives to be 'normal' even though she knows that will be impossible for her (come on- she IS the child of the famous Flemeth and an Apostate) . It's shown several times through-out the game, from the story of golden mirror and travelling outside to the lines up above. It makes me feel so sorry for her. 

Obviously my hope is that there are a variety of endings, ranging from bad to good and some in between. But I don't know....as Han Solo might say "I've got a bad feeling about this."

If only it could be so. Seeing as it's only $7 (less than stone prisoner ), I doubt we'll have more than 2 different endings...

Modifié par MortalEngines, 01 septembre 2010 - 10:21 .

[Rikudou Sennin]

we get it way less in the UK roughly £4-5.

[MortalEngines]

Rikudou Sennin wrote...

we get it way less in the UK roughly £4-5.

I know, I'm from the UK too . It's just the currency conversion, we pay £4 something.

[Brockololly]

SirOccam wrote...
This always threw me. The self-contained nature of the kissing cutscene, plus the music, right in the middle of these two pretty intense lines, always felt really weird and unnatural.

The kiss makes sense to me- its just that it should be like a very passionate, charged kiss with Morrigan and the Warden just sort of going at it fiercely- like an angry kiss, if you will. But there is only that one kiss animation, so it seems a bit odd. The idea is right, the exectution is wrong- like how the Warden looks terriified when Morrigan approaches him prior to the DR- why would my Warden who romanced Morrigan look terrified then?

Modifié par Brockololly, 01 septembre 2010 - 11:22 .

[MortalEngines]

Brockololly wrote...

SirOccam wrote...
This always threw me. The self-contained nature of the kissing cutscene, plus the music, right in the middle of these two pretty intense lines, always felt really weird and unnatural.

The kiss makes sense to me- its just that it should be like a very passionate, charged kiss with Morrigan and the Warden just sort of going at it fiercely- like an angry kiss, if you will. But there is only that one kiss animation, so it seems a bit odd. The idea is right, the exectution is wrong- like how the Warden looks terriified when Morrigan approaches him prior to the DR- why would my Warden who romanced Morrigan look terrified then?

I really hope they fix the awkward kissing animation in DA2, or make several different animations for different scenes. I can imagine in my head what it should be like but sadly, it never ended like that in game. 

Also what do you mean terrified? I don't remember my Warden EVER looking terrified, he was too macho .