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[Brockololly]

adneate wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

I DON'T WANT TO GET GAIDER'D AGAIN! >

I've immunized myself by saying the worst possible ending out loud, now Gaider can't hurt me. Here's another ending, Dungeon grind for an hour and a half reach the end just as the Mirror explodes killing Morrigan and consuming the entire party in the blast. Only The Warden and Dog survive, both die of the taint within the hour. Roll ad for DA2.

The irony will be that Glorious Hawke just fast travels through the mirrors like nothing. You know cause he is so epic beyond words.

Personally though, having Morrigan turn evil or otherwise have her personality shift in some way would be worse than having everyone die, IMO. At least with death there is closure, but if they have Morrigan turn evil, get tainted, turn into Flemeth, turn into Evil Dragon Lady or whatever, only to either make us kill her (I'm thinking how Prey turned  the main character's girlfriend into a monster, forcing the player to kill her) or having Morrigan "turn" to the dark side like Bastila without any chance of redemption, that would make me rage.

I'm hoping it won't be like that, but dammit I just don't trust the writers not to turn whatever Morrigan is doing into a bad thing and for them to crap all over the Morrigan romance by giving some weak "Well she alrady broke up with you in Origins" explanation.  

I know Morrigan has a further role to play in the DA universe, but I just hope this DLC doesn't turn her into a monster or villain or something  like that only to kick us in the balls again by not letting the Warden help out.

[MKDAWUSS]

adneate wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

I DON'T WANT TO GET GAIDER'D AGAIN! >

I've immunized myself by saying the worst possible ending out loud, now Gaider can't hurt me. Here's another ending, Dungeon grind for an hour and a half reach the end just as the Mirror explodes killing Morrigan and consuming the entire party in the blast. Only The Warden and Dog survive, both die of the taint within the hour. Roll ad for DA2.

I was thinking that the party walks up to the mirror, which has now become a portal to the Fade. They all step too close, and Morrigan casts a spell which knocks them off their feet and they get sent through the portal and into the Fade. The Warden and his companions are now in an empty room, and you get a new codex entry being the credits to Witch Hunt (like they did with RTO). That Fade room is now your post-campaign save. The Warden has now vanished from the face of Thedas.

[Quinnzel]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I think it's almost certain that we will only see her at the end, with her at the mirror.
Who here thinks we can persuade her to change her mind? I personally don't think so, but I hope we could at least influence her in some way. Don't let it be too much out of our control.
 
I am really curious at what Morrigan is trying to do.
It would seem that even without doing the DR she is interested in those mirrors. So what roles does the OGB play in this? Is it not essential or required at all? Does it simply make things easier?
Is it part of a grand design, or is this a completely different plan all together?

And yea, one ending I imagine is her going through the mirror, it exploding and us never being able to follow her and see her again.  

Actually I have a dark hope that I can knock her out, have my warden go through the mirror, and she never see's him again.

Im a sucker for the heroic sacrifices for love interests trope.

[MKDAWUSS]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ok, so if the OGB is not here and for some reason Morrigan dies. What the heck will happen to our kid?

Raised by the Champion of Kirkwall.

[Nerevar-as]

MoSa09 wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

I just have a bad feeling (surprise, right?) that whatever Morrigan is doing with the Tevinter mirrors and the OGB is getting her in WAAAAAAY over her head and something is going to go awry. No good comes from messing with those mirrors it would seem.

How much do we want to bet that the only time you see Morrigan in this DLC is at the end where she is in front of the mirror?
I can see it now- Morrigan touches the mirror and gets sucked in only for it to explode behind her, having her vanish, only to have the MorriClone Army reappear in DA2.......

And am I the only one getting a Lord of the RIngs palantir vibe from the mirrors?

I DON'T WANT TO GET GAIDER'D AGAIN! >

oh boy, and i thought i was all doom and gloom

While i admit that scenarios scare me as it does not sound completely off, even i have my doubts Laidlaw would have the guts and impudence to publicy claim Morrigan fans won't be disappointed what they have in store for them if he already knew its going to end THIS WAY.

I agree on the aspect that we will most likely see her close to the end. I would love to run into her early in the dlc, maybe fight alongside her one last time, or do some quests for her. And please, if she has some issues with the mirror, give us the god damn option to help her out.

After the ME2 team said the LIs from 1 would have significant roles but we would move on to the new ones because of how interesting they were and then we got that, I´m rather exceptical with what they say. I hope Laidlaw is not into false reasurance as the others were.

[KnightofPhoenix]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ok, so if the OGB is not here and for some reason Morrigan dies. What the heck will happen to our kid?

Raised by the Champion of Kirkwall.

That would be too sad that it's almost funny.
 
Argh. I think the trailer did its job though. I mean look at us go.

[Brockololly]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ok, so if the OGB is not here and for some reason Morrigan dies. What the heck will happen to our kid?

Retcon: Dark RItual? What dark ritua;? What Old God baby is it you speak of? 

So it seems the mirrors have some connection to the Fade and probably the Black City. Some speculation: it seems there are multiple mirrors- maybe they could help find Arlathan? Or the Black City?

Maybe Morrigan and the companions get sucked in, have the mage guy die, which allows Morrigan to enter the party. Then the reason Morrigan is interested is because she wants to seek out Flemeth in the Fade and stop her once and for all? Doubtful, but who knows. I'm trying not to be pessimistic but I don't don't know.

This DLC is make or break for all of DA for me.

[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...

adneate wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

I DON'T WANT TO GET GAIDER'D AGAIN! >

I've immunized myself by saying the worst possible ending out loud, now Gaider can't hurt me. Here's another ending, Dungeon grind for an hour and a half reach the end just as the Mirror explodes killing Morrigan and consuming the entire party in the blast. Only The Warden and Dog survive, both die of the taint within the hour. Roll ad for DA2.

The irony will be that Glorious Hawke just fast travels through the mirrors like nothing. You know cause he is so epic beyond words.

Personally though, having Morrigan turn evil or otherwise have her personality shift in some way would be worse than having everyone die, IMO. At least with death there is closure, but if they have Morrigan turn evil, get tainted, turn into Flemeth, turn into Evil Dragon Lady or whatever, only to either make us kill her (I'm thinking how Prey turned  the main character's girlfriend into a monster, forcing the player to kill her) or having Morrigan "turn" to the dark side like Bastila without any chance of redemption, that would make me rage.

I'm hoping it won't be like that, but dammit I just don't trust the writers not to turn whatever Morrigan is doing into a bad thing and for them to crap all over the Morrigan romance by giving some weak "Well she alrady broke up with you in Origins" explanation.  

I know Morrigan has a further role to play in the DA universe, but I just hope this DLC doesn't turn her into a monster or villain or something  like that only to kick us in the balls again by not letting the Warden help out.

Aside from Arl Randon Howe and that Human noble from CE origin, how many clear cut villains do you have in DA:O?

That's right, hardly any (abominations don't count).

DA:O isn't about black and white characters. Whether someone comes across as a hero or a villain is purely a matter of opinion.
Some people could easily judge Morrigan to be a villain simply because she doesn't fit into the usual D&D definition of a good character. That kind of outlook is extremely short sighted when it comes to Dragon Age however.
David Gaider created Morrigan to be a truly complex character and I see no reason why this would change. Whatever she's up to you can be certain that it isn't something you can easily describe by using simple terms like "good" or "evil".

[MoSa09]

Nerevar-as wrote...

After the ME2 team said the LIs from 1 would have significant roles but we would move on to the new ones because of how interesting they were and then we got that, I´m rather exceptical with what they say. I hope Laidlaw is not into false reasurance as the others were.

yeah, i remember that. But still, there is a difference between exxagerating (important role - minor role) and an outright lie (claim satisfaction while you the only thing coming this way is a major disappointment).

And i have to agree with Master Shiori here. The whole purpose of this dlc seems to to close the Warden'S story, to appease all Morri fans and help them move on to DA 2 to boost enthusiasm and sales of the future game.

And i am certain killing her (or us) in such a cruel and stupid manner is not the best wayto achieve this. I agree that is no guarantee for a happy ending, but we can hope for something more meaninfful at least.

Damn, i wasn't too excited myself after seeing this trailer, not to talk about my constant fear of future Morrigan disappointment, but all your posts here makes me wanna slash me wrists

[Ayanko]

I'll just throw a masterball at her, then escape on my trusty horse.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Brockololly wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ok, so if the OGB is not here and for some reason Morrigan dies. What the heck will happen to our kid?

Retcon: Dark RItual? What dark ritua;? What Old God baby is it you speak of? 

That, or render the DR / OGB to be completely insignificant.
That's really the weakness of big choices. It's hard to implement them in the future, while still making them adequately relevent.   

Brockololly wrote...

This DLC is make or break for all of DA for me.

Yea same here. I might even not buy DA2 out of spite, if they ruin this.  Maybe not the most rational or mature thing to do, but still.

[Brockololly]

Master Shiori wrote...
David Gaider created Morrigan to be a truly complex character and I see no reason why this would change. Whatever she's up to you can be certain that it isn't something you can easily describe by using simple terms like "good" or "evil".

No, but I'm more concerned Morrigan is about to get Kerrigan'd or Plot hammered to turn into a more twisted version of herself perhaps. I think its largely how slooowly and ominously Claudia Black delivered those lines that has me worried we'll end up with more DR MOrrigan type dialogue where if you romanced her, she still talks too cold and with too much malice such that it seems out of character.

I just think Morrigan's lust for power will get the better of her and she might get stuck with being in too deep and get hit with unintended consequences. What happened to the Tevinter magisters? They sought power and went into the Golden City only to be cast back as darkspawn (if you beleive the Chantry). Maybe Morrigan doesn't become a tainted darkspawn, but I just have a feeling that maybe Morrigan gets possessed or something and we'll be forced to kill her, only to have her come back to her "true" self as she is dying in the Warden's arms or something and tells us to raise the OGB.

I just have a bad feeling about this....

[Nerevar-as]

MoSa09 wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

After the ME2 team said the LIs from 1 would have significant roles but we would move on to the new ones because of how interesting they were and then we got that, I´m rather exceptical with what they say. I hope Laidlaw is not into false reasurance as the others were.

yeah, i remember that. But still, there is a difference between exxagerating (important role - minor role) and an outright lie (claim satisfaction while you the only thing coming this way is a major disappointment).

And i have to agree with Master Shiori here. The whole purpose of this dlc seems to to close the Warden'S story, to appease all Morri fans and help them move on to DA 2 to boost enthusiasm and sales of the future game.

And i am certain killing her (or us) in such a cruel and stupid manner is not the best wayto achieve this. I agree that is no guarantee for a happy ending, but we can hope for something more meaninfful at least.

Damn, i wasn't too excited myself after seeing this trailer, not to talk about my constant fear of future Morrigan disappointment, but all your posts here makes me wanna slash me wrists

I know this. But I´ve seen so many decisions no one with half a brain working could think people would be pleased in comic books, tv series and some franchises in literature that I´m rather pessimistic as default.

Look the bright side, it can only be better than I say. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Brockololly wrote...
I just think Morrigan's lust for power will get the better of her and she might get stuck with being in too deep and get hit with unintended consequences. What happened to the Tevinter magisters? They sought power and went into the Golden City only to be cast back as darkspawn (if you beleive the Chantry). Maybe Morrigan doesn't become a tainted darkspawn, but I just have a feeling that maybe Morrigan gets possessed or something and we'll be forced to kill her, only to have her come back to her "true" self as she is dying in the Warden's arms or something and tells us to raise the OGB.

I just have a bad feeling about this....

That would actually be a very sad ending, in a good way for me , if  a bit cliched.

I don't think Morrigan has an uncontrolled lust for power. She clearly doesn't negotiate with demons and thinks its foolish to do so. So unless they retcon their character, I do not think Morrigan is mad for power. 
Unexpected consequences that she couldn't foresee might happen though and I would like to have the chance to save her or help her out.

[Aphetto_LC]

Brockololly wrote...
I just think Morrigan's lust for power will get the better of her and she might get stuck with being in too deep and get hit with unintended consequences. What happened to the Tevinter magisters? They sought power and went into the Golden City only to be cast back as darkspawn (if you beleive the Chantry). Maybe Morrigan doesn't become a tainted darkspawn, but I just have a feeling that maybe Morrigan gets possessed or something and we'll be forced to kill her, only to have her come back to her "true" self as she is dying in the Warden's arms or something and tells us to raise the OGB.

Just an idea, but could this be the purpose of the OGB?   The DR purified the Old God's soul, no?  Thus Morrigan could travel to the Black City, and not get thrown out.

[MoSa09]

Brockololly wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...
David Gaider created Morrigan to be a truly complex character and I see no reason why this would change. Whatever she's up to you can be certain that it isn't something you can easily describe by using simple terms like "good" or "evil".

No, but I'm more concerned Morrigan is about to get Kerrigan'd or Plot hammered to turn into a more twisted version of herself perhaps. I think its largely how slooowly and ominously Claudia Black delivered those lines that has me worried we'll end up with more DR MOrrigan type dialogue where if you romanced her, she still talks too cold and with too much malice such that it seems out of character.

I just think Morrigan's lust for power will get the better of her and she might get stuck with being in too deep and get hit with unintended consequences. What happened to the Tevinter magisters? They sought power and went into the Golden City only to be cast back as darkspawn (if you beleive the Chantry). Maybe Morrigan doesn't become a tainted darkspawn, but I just have a feeling that maybe Morrigan gets possessed or something and we'll be forced to kill her, only to have her come back to her "true" self as she is dying in the Warden's arms or something and tells us to raise the OGB.

I just have a bad feeling about this....

To be fair, "Wings of Liberty" indicate that Kerrigan is saved in the end.

And maybe its our job to persuade her its too dangerous to deal with the mirror, to let it be. Maybe that is the big final choice, she wants the power of the mirrors and of the black city (for whatever reasons), and you can stop her 1. by killing her, 2. invoke the romance and get her to leave this all behind with you, or 3. join with her and claim the power (and all the risks) together. At least that could make an awesome moment.

And for those interested in the Mass Effect 2 dlc also coming out on September the 7th, an example of how an entertaining as well as satisfying trailer can look like http://masseffect.bioware.com/

Nerevar-as wrote...

I know this. But I´ve seen so many
decisions no one with half a brain working could think people would be
pleased in comic books, tv series and some franchises in literature that
I´m rather pessimistic as default.

Look the bright side, it can only be better than I say. 

thats true lol

@Alphetto_LC: interesting idea i have to say. But what is she doing there then if the Warden refused her ritual?

Modifié par MoSa09, 01 septembre 2010 - 04:28 .

[Aphetto_LC]

MoSa09 wrote...

@Alphetto_LC: interesting idea i have to say. But what is she doing there then if the Warden refused her ritual?

Never said I had the whole thing thought out.  :innocent:

Modifié par Aphetto_LC, 01 septembre 2010 - 04:35 .

[Master Shiori]

I must be one of the few people who found the ending to Starcraft 2: Wings of Liberty to be truly satisfying.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 01 septembre 2010 - 04:36 .

[Nerevar-as]

Did the ME2 and DA:O teams interchange for the DLCs?

[CalJones]

I must say I didn't like the whole mirror thing in the Dalish origin - it felt very contrived to me. But I'll give this a chance, because I really want to see how it ends. Honestly, most of my characters didn't do the DR, so I'm eager to see how the different Origins endings will be accounted for.

[Nerevar-as]

Master Shiori wrote...

I must be one of the few people who found the ending to Starcraft 2: Wings of Liberty to be truly satisfying.

There are still part b&c of SC2 I think. I´m still halfway through the original though.

[GardenSnake]

Not gonna lie, trailer got me syched as ****. Sly Morrigan aside, I'm happy that we're doing some traveling. It's also pretty cool that one of the origins plays into the dlc. My dalish elf shall be pleased, although coincidentally she's the one character that made Morri leave her party (and yes, that playthrough was hard as hell gameplay wise) but did the DR with Alistair who she was romancing. Ohhh I smell soap opera!

[adneate]

MoSa09 wrote...

And for those interested in the Mass Effect 2 dlc also coming out on September the 7th, an example of how an entertaining as well as satisfying trailer can look like http://masseffect.bioware.com/

Just watched that, much better than the Witch Hunt trailer. I feel excited for one and depressed by the other, damnit why is the ME team doing a better job than the Dragon Age team with this whole DLC thing. Lair of the Shadow Broker has new environments, a new vehicle section, continuation for a ME1 romance and all the voice actor's back in their roles plus it looks like a logical progression for the Shadow Broker / Liara plot line. Switch over to Witch Hunt we've got all re-used art assets more grind fest gameplay, Morrigan acting all Evil and messing around with a mirror that's only previous function was to explode in a ball of Darkspawn taint . . .

[MoSa09]

adneate wrote...

Just watched that, much better than the Witch Hunt trailer. I feel excited for one and depressed by the other, damnit why is the ME team doing a better job than the Dragon Age team with this whole DLC thing. Lair of the Shadow Broker has new environments, a new vehicle section, continuation for a ME1 romance and all the voice actor's back in their roles plus it looks like a logical progression for the Shadow Broker / Liara plot line. Switch over to Witch Hunt we've got all re-used art assets more grind fest gameplay, Morrigan acting all Evil and messing around with a mirror that's only previous function was to explode in a ball of Darkspawn taint . . .

QFT. Its especially the new environments thats bugging me. While each Me 2 dlc creates environments that feel new and genuine, the DA 2 takes you to the exact same places you've seen before, jusut with a different meaning this time. They did not even to bother and try to hidy their copy - paste.

Modifié par MoSa09, 01 septembre 2010 - 04:48 .

[Nerevar-as]

Maybe cause the ME team are still focused on the current game rather than the next one? It´s funny how despite ME2 left so much of its potential along the way the paid DLCs so far are so much better than DA.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 01 septembre 2010 - 04:58 .