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adneate wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Whenever I hear HerpDerp Shepard I think of this video.

I think Mass Effect would be much better if Shepard talked like this.


Hahaha.. Slapshot is a brilliant movie:lol:

MoSa09 wrote...
So maybe, right beside the kissing scene, the names Morrigan and Samuel. Maybe each one with a different font


WHAT!?! Your Warden is named Samuel too!? Thats funny as most of my Couslands are named Samuel, hahaha.

Just took a look in the toolset for the Dalish Origins....I've got some speculation brewing......I'll post in a bit....

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adneate wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Just watching the trailer for Shadow Broker made me cringe at Meer's delivery- the ME teams seems to know what the fans want but damn the writing and VO seemed stilted there.


I have no idea why they make Meer voice MShep like that, it's like they bring him in and say "Now look Mark we don't want you to act at all in fact just say everything as bland and as lifelessly as possible". He did Tug in Leliana's Song and was great so It has to be the ME team telling him to be that flat, maybe they worry about him sounding too Canadian?

It took me a while, but I finally pinned down what was weird about Shepard's lines in the unbelievably epic release trailer. He was sort of showing a little bit of emotion. So he's capable of it...I guess he just chose not to do it in the actual game.

Anyway, that WH trailer got me all excited...it's not as exciting as the Shadow Broker one, but then the ME guys have always been better at cinematics, both in-game and out. I think WH may not look as flashy, but it'll have more substance. It was great to hear Morrigan say anything, even if she did it in a creepily calm voice. This is going to be a long week.

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Brockololly wrote...


WHAT!?! Your Warden is named Samuel too!? Thats funny as most of my Couslands are named Samuel, hahaha.

Just took a look in the toolset for the Dalish Origins....I've got some speculation brewing......I'll post in a bit....


He is my canon Cousland, the one i consider my main run. I assume your Sam Cousland also romanced a certain witch? Damn, and now i thought with that pic and name i had a personal sig that would be of no use to anyone else ^_^:P

Looking forward to your theory, they're usually good. Maybe a bit gloomy from time to time ;)

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SirOccam wrote..

Anyway, that WH trailer got me all excited...it's not as exciting as the Shadow Broker one, but then the ME guys have always been better at cinematics, both in-game and out. I think WH may not look as flashy, but it'll have more substance. It was great to hear Morrigan say anything, even if she did it in a creepily calm voice. This is going to be a long week.


Yeah, Meer is a good voice actor, they just don't let him show any emotion... I don't get it.

As for WH vs. ShadowBroker, my analogy for Dragon Age versus ME has always been that ME is like a good summer popcorn movie- its fun and not terribly intellectually stimualting beyond the "WHOA! Michael Baysplosions!" area of the brain- and thats fine! But as cool as it may be, there a million and one other games just like that. While DA is a bit more like taking some time to get absorbed in a really good book- it may not be as flashy but its got more gravitas going for it when its hitting its stride.

Claudia Black's voice in that trailer gives me the chills though- its like they slowed it down or something. It sounds very ominous. It just reminds me too much of the DR scene...:crying:

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 Damn, and now i thought with
that pic and name i had a personal sig that would be of no use to anyone
else [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie][smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]


Ha- no I won't steal your sigB)

And totally unrelated note- has anyone seen the Batman Arkham CIty screens released today? OMG:O

Modifié par Brockololly, 01 septembre 2010 - 07:20 .


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Brockololly wrote...

Ha- no I won't steal your sigB)


technically, its not mine, I am just hading over some workload. So it belongs to MortalEngines who thankfully puts so much effort into making these

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Since we're talking about Wardens that romanced Morrigan here is a short comic called "Lovesickness" by Emedeme from Deviantart, featuring her Warden Amell and Ximena's Edric Cousland.

We could certainly use a few laughs.

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Modifié par Master Shiori, 01 septembre 2010 - 07:24 .


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MoSa09's signature request finished:

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Hope you like it, again sorry for taking awhile.

Zjarcal wrote...

MortalEngines, we all worship the ground you walk on for making such amazing sigs. You're simply too nice to apologize to someone else for taking a bit longer to make the sig.

:wizard:


Call me Mortal ;).

And I didn't know I was worshipped...time to make a Morrigan clone army then with the power of signature bribes :devil:.

But seriously, I'm glad everyone likes the signatures, it's been a pleasure making everyone happy. :wub:

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MortalEngines wrote...

MoSa09's signature request finished:

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Hope you like it, again sorry for taking awhile.


I do not even like it, its just freakin amazing. I sooo much love it. This is even better than i hoped it could be!!! And again, please don't apologize. Your doing this for free, and besides, quality of that kind is absolutely worth waiting for.

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MoSa09 wrote...

I do not even like it, its just freakin amazing. I sooo much love it. This is even better than i hoped it could be!!! And again, please don't apologize. Your doing this for free, and besides, quality of that kind is absolutely worth waiting for.


:lol: Your happiness (and everyone else's) is payment enough for me, I have time on my hands (well I start work tomorrow) and it's no bother for me. I'm glad you think it's quality (it took me 49 frames to get the fade in between text), because I try my best with everyone's signatures.

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MortalEngines wrote...

:lol: Your happiness (and everyone else's) is payment enough for me, I have time on my hands (well I start work tomorrow) and it's no bother for me. I'm glad you think it's quality (it took me 49 frames to get the fade in between text), because I try my best with everyone's signatures.


Its really amazing. Now i have one of my favorite personal emotional engaging moments banned in a personal sig. I have my doubts BW's dlc could make me even close to that happy this sig made me ^_^

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MoSa09 wrote...

Its really amazing. Now i have one of my favorite personal emotional engaging moments banned in a personal sig. I have my doubts BW's dlc could make me even close to that happy this sig made me ^_^


Wow, I'm very flatter and over-joyed that the signature makes you that happy. I'm actually working on some Alistair ones for my the Alistair Gush thread because I'm secretly a Alistair lover as well :wub: (though Morrigan is still my favourite character ever). Still, I'm only taking Signature requests in this thread for now.

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MortalEngines wrote...


Wow, I'm very flatter and over-joyed that the signature makes you that happy. I'm actually working on some Alistair ones for my the Alistair Gush thread because I'm secretly a Alistair lover as well :wub: (though Morrigan is still my favourite character ever). Still, I'm only taking Signature requests in this thread for now.


Well i am a satisfied for the moment, but given the quality of your work, shouldn't take long before someone reads the offer and has a request of his/her own ^_^

@Brock: we're waiting for your dalish and the trailer analysis, what happened? We're counting on you to tell us what Morri is all about and if we should be excited about Witch Hunt or not? :P

Modifié par MoSa09, 01 septembre 2010 - 08:30 .


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So I just watched the trailer. Kind of meh on it I got Morrigan is future antagonist vibes from it. The fact she is trying to re create the old Tevinter magic of how to see into the fade and find the Black City is very interesting. Could she be looking for a way to stop the darkspawn. Like as the Wardens do going for the snakes head in Blights maybe she is going to the very source to stop the taint. Though that sounds too noble for her. I'm thinking she is more or so after ancient immortality like Flemeth's, and if she finds and enters the Black City no telling what she could find.

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Jacks Smirking Revenge wrote...

So I just watched the trailer. Kind of meh on it I got Morrigan is future antagonist vibes from it. The fact she is trying to re create the old Tevinter magic of how to see into the fade and find the Black City is very interesting. Could she be looking for a way to stop the darkspawn. Like as the Wardens do going for the snakes head in Blights maybe she is going to the very source to stop the taint. Though that sounds too noble for her. I'm thinking she is more or so after ancient immortality like Flemeth's, and if she finds and enters the Black City no telling what she could find.


The darkspawn threatened Morrigan and Flemeth as much as they threatened anyone else, so who knows.

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MoSa09 wrote...

@Brock: we're waiting for your dalish and the trailer analysis, what happened? We're counting on you to tell us what Morri is all about and if we should be excited about Witch Hunt or not? :P


Working on it this moment! Its going to be a freakin' book!:lol:

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Brockololly wrote...
Working on it this moment! Its going to be a freakin' book!:lol:


seems i better get my glasses, some coffee and relax in the chair to be prepared for your analysis ^_^

edit: sure one book will do? I think it might be more of a whole series. If so, i wait until you release the Special Edition with all updates :P

Modifié par MoSa09, 01 septembre 2010 - 09:06 .


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Ok, here goes. Witch Hunt trailer dissection and speculation.

Here is the voice over with my comments-

"My people crossed paths with another Dalish clan not too long ago. Two of their young hunters encountered a strange mirror in some ruins. One disappeared and the other died."


So the trailer starts with panning over a forest- it look sort of like Brecilian Forest from the beginning of the Dalish Origin. Then we've got Ariane's quote above, talking about Tamlen and the Dalish Warden. I'll get back to the Dalish Origin in a bit. Seems to be thats just a flashback with Duncan smashing the mirror and all.

Finn: The (unintelligble) isn't just any mirror. Broken it could be used to find the others.

Ariane: What do you know?


Ok, so we've got the shattered mirror from the Dalish Origin still being useful broken. Apparently when broken it can be used to find other mirrors like it? This all shows Finn as Mr. Tevinter within what looks like the Mage's Tower Library.
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Then it cuts ominously to Morrigan pacing in front of one of the Tevinter mirrors in what looks an awful lot like Drake's Fall / Dragon Bone Wastes, almost even the same spot where the Mother used to be plopped down at.
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For reference here is the codex entry for Drake's Fall:

Legends speak of a place where dragons go to die. In the far south, in  the lands of the barbarian tribes, it is said that a dragon at the end  of her days lies down and allows the bitter cold to take her.


It is not just a legend! I have seen Drake's Fall with my own eyes, the ancient bones of these grand beasts piled atop one another. I felt the power that suffused this place and knew the Imperium would claim  it.


We built a city on the bones. We delved deep into the earth,  collecting what remained of the primordial dragons who were so like our  Old Gods. With these bones we created staves for our magisters, armour  for our warriors, and crowns for our archons. We fashioned phylacteries to hold our blood and sarcophagi to hold our bodies, and prayed they  would make us immortal.

- From the writings of Archon Melos


Next we cut to this... *gulp* :(
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Dammit Morrigan! Nothing good comes from touching those damn mirrors! Just ask Tamlen!

Cue dread chills as sloooow, creepy Morrigan speech begins:

Flemeth once told me that temptation lies in the forbidden.


 Cue Dog and the Warden arriving at Flemeth's Hut:
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Notice that its only the Warden and Dog at this point? I'm thinking Flemeth's Hut is your first stop to search for clues before you pick up any other companions.

Do not follow me, I said.


Cue, Dragon Bone Wastes at night, with Strider screeching atop what looks exactly the entrance to Drake's Fall:
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You can also see your 3 companions there, Dog, Finn and Ariane That looks exactly the same area where the High Dragon was in Awakening.

Some doors should never be re-opened.


Cue ominous slow head turn Morrigan in front of the mirror, looking somewhat evil and possessed. Honestly, has anyone ever had their back to someone only to slowly turn around with just their head and NOT been evil or the bad guy?:
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Now, hmmmm. Where have we seen that look before? Oh yes! Everyone's favorite scene! The Dark Ritual! Specifically, when you turn her down and she gets pissed:
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And, end trailer!
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                                                                           Intermission!
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Now on to my speculation!
Based on everything we've seen and know here is my attempt at a balanced view how this DLC may break down. I'll try and lay it out chronologically
  • DLC starts, maybe quick voiceover or (my dream!) a quick 2D animation to set the scene and the Warden's task. Flemeth's Hut is the first stop as the Warden goes there to search for clues as to why Morrigan is back in Ferelden. At this point  he is only with Dog,as seen in the screens.
  • He searches the Hut, and possibly finds clues hinting at the mirrors.  Upon leaving the Warden gets intercepted by some Dalish, leading us to recruit Ariane.
  • Ariane asks you why you were at Flemeth's hut ( maybe your Origin choice comes into play here with Flemeth) as from The Stolen Throne, we definitely know the Dalish are aware and scared of Flemeth. You explain and she fills you in on maybe hearing something about the mirrors.
  • Maybe, you go back to the Dalish Camp now or perhaps you go to the Dalish Ruin from the Dalish Origin.In the Ruin you find the broken mirror and perhaps take a piece.
  • Where else to go now but the Mage Tower so somebody can investigate this mysterious mirror piece you picked up. Recruit Finn.
  • Now it seems there is combat in the Mage Tower from some earlier screens with the Phylacteries and all. Maybe we have to break Finn out of the tower?
  • Of course, its also possible that you go to the Mage Tower and recuit Finn before going to the Dalish ruin, just so you have your mage in your party to fill things out.
  • With your team assembled and Finn all knowledgable on Tevinter, you are lead to the Dragon Bone Wastes. From the codes above, that fits everything to a T, regarding Morrigan: You've got tons of dragon/Old God stuff, ancient Tevinter artifacts forged from powerful dragon bone, and even mention of the magisters hoping the dragon bone sarcophogi and phylacteries would make them immortal.
  • So we get to the Dragon Bone Wastes, and maybe get  glimpse of Morrigan early on, only to basically chase her through.
  • Until we get to "confront" Morrigan at the mirror.
  • The End!
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Regarding the Mirror:
Quotes from the Dalish Origin (in no particular order):

Duncan:
The Grey Wardens have seen artifacts like this mirror before; it is Tevinter in origin, used for communication. Over time some of them simply... break. They become filled with the same taint as the darkspawn. Tamlen's touch must have released it... It's what made you sick--and Tamlen, too, I presume.

Warden: Can we fix it?

Duncan: Unfortunately, no. It will taint all those who come near it, now. (VO note: grim, he doesn’t want to destroy the mirror but he knows he must)

Duncan: The darkspawn are drawn to the mirror. Do you want to lead them to your clan?

Duncan: With the mirror destroyed, I doubt the darkspawn will return.

Merrill: Can we return later and search through the ruins? We could learn from many things here besides the mirror.

Duncan: The cave is not safe-- everything here was exposed to the mirror's taint. If your people must come here, they should cleanse it with fire. (VO note: He doesn’t think it’s a good idea, but he’s not going to tell them what to do)


So- my guess is that Morrigan somehow, someway found her way to that particular Dalish/Tevinter ruin and picked up a piece of the mirror, which enabled her to find the other one in the Dragon Bone Wastes and maybe others.

But Duncan says the mirrors are communication devices. Communicate with who? THE OLD GODS. I'm just getting a very Lord of the RIngs Palantir vibe from the mirrors. My guess is that the Tevinter mages put them all around Thedas and were able to communicate with the Old Gods through them. Yet this particluar one was tied to Urthemiel, so when Urthemiel was tainted, so was the mirror. And since the mirror draws the darkspawn to it, it seems plausible that thats another reason why the Old Gods communicated through the mirrors.

But the whole mirror being tainted thing is worrisome for ol' Morri. I don't care for how she is rubbing her hand all over it and getting the creepy lightning only to sound and look all possessed in that last shot from the trailer.

And it would seem that the Dalish didn't torch the cave, like Duncan suggested if Morrigan did in fact get a sliver of the mirror from there.

Ok, I'm not done yet- haven't even gotten to Morrigan and the heavy speculation, but that will be for Volume 2!:wizard:

Modifié par Brockololly, 01 septembre 2010 - 09:38 .


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@Brock: I do not see Morrigan's expression in her head-turn as evil/ diabolical. She looks sad to me.



Also, do I understand correctly that she says "temptation is in the forbidden" and then "do not follow me, as I said", meaning she forbade the Warden to follow her precisely because she wanted him to? Or is that the romantic in me talking?

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that was a great anaylasis, i didn't even catch the awakening locations but it looks like those are going to be reused. I'm pretty concerned about the whole situation regarding the dalish mirror and also what looks to be like morrigan approaching one in the same area where you killed the mother in awakening. This trailer pretty much just caused me more unnecessary stress about this dlc. When it said: "Your warden's final quest" i cringed a little. I still can't believe things are over with my warden but we'll just have to wait and see how they handle this

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So- my guess is that Morrigan somehow, someway found her way to that particular Dalish/Tevinter ruin and picked up a piece of the mirror, which enabled her to find the other one in the Dragon Bone Wastes and maybe others.


How did she even know about that happening, especially if the Warden is non-Dalish? I don't think that received many mentions in Origins, and I think that would be even less newsworthy in Orlais.



But Duncan says the mirrors are communication devices. Communicate with who? THE OLD GODS. I'm just getting a very Lord of the RIngs Palantir vibe from the mirrors. My guess is that the Tevinter mages put them all around Thedas and were able to communicate with the Old Gods through them. Yet this particluar one was tied to Urthemiel, so when Urthemiel was tainted, so was the mirror. And since the mirror draws the darkspawn to it, it seems plausible that thats another reason why the Old Gods communicated through the mirrors.


That Urthemiel seems to be a bigger character with each passing development... Heck, that seems to be the ONLY Old God of any significance. It makes the DR/OGB seem significant, but then again, not everyone did the DR...

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Are you going to touch upon "When an ancient artifact belonging to the clan's Keeper is stolen, one with a history tied to the very roots of the elven people, Ariane is charged with the task of reclaiming it."?

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Addai67 wrote...

@Brock: I do not see Morrigan's expression in her head-turn as evil/ diabolical. She looks sad to me.

Also, do I understand correctly that she says "temptation is in the forbidden" and then "do not follow me, as I said", meaning she forbade the Warden to follow her precisely because she wanted him to? Or is that the romantic in me talking?


Alternatively she could be reprimanding him/her for following, as in telling the Warden to keep away, and wanting them to stay away, but knowinh that they wouldn't. As in "I told you not to follow me, but I knew you would, even though I didn't want you to."

I do wonder if we'll actually be in the Dragonbone Wastes, since the last few DLCs have had a tendency to re-use areas. And GoA reused areas as completely different areas (it is the Deep Roads, though, so it can almost be excused). It could just be another Tevinter Ruin. I admit that I'd wonder where the Strider/s were when I fought the Mother otherwise.

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Brockololly wrote...

Cue ominous slow head turn Morrigan in front of the mirror, looking somewhat evil and possessed. Honestly, has anyone ever had their back to someone only to slowly turn around with just their head and NOT been evil or the bad guy?:
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one can hope they just uses this bad-guy look to let her appear evil for the trailer or that scene rather really let her be. really evil. I guess we can be certain that this dlc will be toying with us.

Is she evil, is she not? What is she about to do? I am taking every bet BW will try to make it hard for us to know about her her true intentions and just follow her course, even as devoted lovers. Only after we had that grey decision and picked our side (her or against her), we will get to know more. But before we get to the end and closer to her, i am sure we'll have to endure a lot of those "Morrigan is evil" teases. Thats my guess at least.

Brockololly wrote...
Ok, I'm not done yet- haven't even gotten to Morrigan and the heavy speculation, but that will be for Volume 2!:wizard:


looking forward to volume 2 ;)

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Addai67 wrote...

@Brock: I do not see Morrigan's expression in her head-turn as evil/ diabolical. She looks sad to me.


That's how I saw it too. Sad, but determined.

At the temptation / forbidden / don't follow me lines. She also says "Some doors must never be opened".
I kind of took all three sentences in context. Is she trying to destroy the mirror, because she thinks it's a door that should not be opened?

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Addai67 wrote...

@Brock: I do not see Morrigan's expression in her head-turn as evil/ diabolical. She looks sad to me.

Also, do I understand correctly that she says "temptation is in the forbidden" and then "do not follow me, as I said", meaning she forbade the Warden to follow her precisely because she wanted him to? Or is that the romantic in me talking?


I got that same impression.

After trying to piece togather Morrigan's reaction based on the trailer and that screenshot on Witch Hunt page, I came to a conclusion that Morrigan isn't being evil or diabolic there.

She was focused on studying the mirror when the Warden and his group arrived behind her. Without knowing who the intruders are she'd at first be angry and annoyed at being interrupted. Then, as she slowly turned her head around, she'd realize who it is and her expression would change accordingly.

The screenshot shows Morrigan looking at the Warden and there's nothing evil in the way she looks at him. I'd say she's a amused at seeing him there.