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THE Morrigan Discussion and Research Thread *Infested with Bugs Yet Again!*


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Brockololly

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OK, so here is the rest of my Witch Hunt speculation for the day.

The Mirror, Part ][

Tamlen does have some other lines regarding the mirror when he is getting sucked in:

Its showing me places. I can see some kind of city underground and there is a great blackness. It saw me! Help! I can't look away!


Now was he referring to the Deep Roads and seeing the Archdemon? I just get a very LotR vibe with the palantirs and the Eye of Sauron seeing through them and all. Or was Tamlen seeing into the Fade and the Black City? Or perhaps he was seeing deep into the Arlathan? Remember, Arlathan was supposedly sunken into the earth by the Tevinter blood mages. Maybe the sunken Arlathan is essentially the worldly equivalent of the Black City?

So it seems at least that the Elven MacGuffin is the Tevinter Mirror. We know from Duncanthey are communication  devices of some sort and that they can become tainted. The fact that Morrigan goes to what was only recently darkspawn central to mess with that mirror has me worried that she'll end up getting Taint blasted and we end up with twisted darkspawn Blighted Morrigan. I know thats probably far fetched, but you never know with Gaider. 

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Concerning Morrigan...

So as for Morrigan's role in this DLC and her fate? I'm clueless. It really could be any number of things- far too many to count.   Gaider said that closure was the key for this DLC. You've got this quote from him on the Witch Hunt main thread:

David Gaider wrote...
Consider this:

If you're looking on this only from the romance perspective, out of all  the romances in Dragon Age Morrigan's is the only one you never get any personal closure on. Not even a little bit. I understand wanting more from Alistair, Zevran and Leliana but you do at least get something from them... whereas from Morrigan you get nothing (albeit for very good reasons).

So for those men who romanced Morrigan, you might want to cut them some slack.

That said, that's not the only reason to do this DLC-- I would think many  people would be curious as to what the future holds regarding Morrigan. And, yes, it takes all the various ending states of Origins into  account. And, yes, in case anyone's wondering I wrote the Morrigan  part.

 

I know Gaider said not to worry later on and such in one of his status updates, but I'm skeptical. You can certainly provide closure without reigniting the romance. The fact that Gaider mentions how we get nothing from Morrigan "albeit for very good reasons" has me thinking though. What I fear is that this DLC simply lets us chat with Morrigan about our romance but that the romance stays dead, you only get the reasons from Morrigan why it must stay dead and never to be.  I could do some more doom and gloom on that point but I'll spare you.

As for Morrigan's plan or fate- my gut reaction from the trailer is the whole Morrigan=EVIL or corrupted angle. Thats likely just the way they made the trailer though. And  honestly, that sort of story can be very well done (see KOTOR and dark side Bastila). The problem is that should Morrigan get twisted or transformed or Blighted or turned evil, its very unlikely that the Warden would be able to deal with that in the confines of a short DLC. And that would be problematic.

Some other points that came to mind:

Power/Survival vs. Sorrow and Regret:
Which Morrigan will we see- the one thats all about about power as love has no meaning or the one that felt sorrow and regret through the ring? Will the ring play a role?

Old Gods- Whatever Morrigan is doing its tied to the Old Gods somehow. First the DR and OGB, now messing with ancient Tevinter?Elven mirrors likely tied to the Taint somehow. What is her goal? What is her plan? The frustrating thing I forsee with this DLC is that its not going to answer enough questions or rather it simply raises just as many new questions. Morrigan's story isn't done so we'll likely still get hit with some cliffhanger of sorts I'd guess- or at least a plot thread to be picked up for Morrigan's inevitable return in DA3 or whenever.

Flemeth- Maybe Morrigan is doing something with the mirror  to counteract Flemeth? We know that Morrigan seeks to be as powerful as Flemeth, but as I've said, I have the feeling that in her pursuit of power, Morrigan may get in over her head...

Immortality? Its mentioned in the Drake's Fall codex that the Tevinter mages there sought immortality and we know that immortality was a big thing for the elves of Arlathan. Does Morrigan seek the power of immortality? Does Morrigan want God like power?

Cure the Taint? Could Morrigan's OGB and mirror plan be used to cure the Taint somehow?

The Black City- Someone mentioned it earlier I think, but maybe the OGB is a ticket harm free through the mirror into the Black City and thus learning its secrets?

MorriClones? How could the Morrigan clones, maybe fit into all this? Or is that just absurd?:lol:

The Dark Ritual and Old God Baby:  The mirror plan is all well and nice, but you ask anyone thats finished Origins what secret they want revealed from Morrigan and its what the hell are you planning to really do with the Old God Baby and what is your plan? If BioWare tries to shove the mirror down our throats to try and have us forget about the OGB, they're mistaken. If we don't get some meaningful answers to the OGB and DR, this DLC is a failure in my eyes. Those are the secrets people want revealed.

So how could Morrigan's fate end up? Well, the pessimist in me thinks she'll turn "evil" or get possessed by something in the mirror or get tainted or something. Then that leads to the PC having to "confront" Morrigan as the big boss fight- maybe she turns into a Dragon too, who knows. But it seems as if we meet Morrigan at the end of this DLC, and almost all games have that last boss fight, so my guess is Morrigan is it. Unless of course we get a Saren in ME1 choice to talk her down somehow.

But my guess is  we'll be forced to confront Morrigan and "defeat" her, at which point she regains her senses and goes back to normal, but is in grave condition. At that point we have the choice to kill her, leave her, save her or go frolicking through the grassy green meadows to a nice little cottage with her.=]
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Who knows what will happen? Only the Gaider and Chee (and most everyone else on the DA team) knows. It will likely be far more mundane than what I have brewing in my head, which is probably a good thing. The fact that Chee is writing the quest to is good as she was responsible for the Mage Tower quest and my favorite, The Urn of Sacred Ashes, in Origins. And I hope Gaider realizes how nice it would be for a happy ending with Morrigan for once- not everything needs to be tragedy and bittersweet.

I mean it when I say it though that if this DLC amounts to just paying BioWare $7 to kick me in the balls again, I won't be getting DA2. At best I'd pick it up as a guilty pleasure for cheap on a Steam sale.

All I can say is that if Morrigan messes with the mirror and ends up all twisted and looking like TaintedMorri here:
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I'll be very disappointed BioWare.....

Modifié par Brockololly, 02 septembre 2010 - 02:50 .


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I am going to go out on a limb and say there will not be another official patch for Origins. The sheer fact that Bioware considered pulling the plug on DA:O servers says it all. They want to wash their hands of it and hope people forget it ever existed. All the changes being made for DA2, the scraping of a year of DLC...



Dragon Age : Origins is the red-head stepchild of Bioware.

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Aphetto_LC wrote...

I am going to go out on a limb and say there will not be another official patch for Origins. The sheer fact that Bioware considered pulling the plug on DA:O servers says it all. They want to wash their hands of it and hope people forget it ever existed. All the changes being made for DA2, the scraping of a year of DLC...

Dragon Age : Origins is the red-head stepchild of Bioware.


Which really makes no sense, IMO. As its supposedly been a great commercial and critical success. Its a fary cry from the support something like NWN had so far out from release.

But lets try to stay on the topic of Morri, lest this thread get locked down- or TaintedMorri will come and get you;)

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Did. Not. Need. To. See. Ghoul. Morrigan. Before. Going. To. Sleep.

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Something I noticed and I am not sure if it has been mentioned, but during Awakening when you are making you final push to the Mother's Lair, one of the Disciples has a staff that looks like the staffs that the Morriclone Army wields in the DA2 trailer.

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Hmm, I wonder if the Mirror Morrigan is touching is, as Duncan said, broken.



Who know, maybe it's not tainted. Perhaps she is trying to use it to communicate with somone/Old Gods (perhaps she was determined to find an untainted Mirror? I doubt she would willingly submit to the taint unless it led to something big in return power wise)

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THIS. IS . ****.

Morrigan made the entire storyline for me in Dragon Age Origins and apparently this DLC is going to be the CONCLUSION TO IT?

DLC's take me no longer than 1-2 hours to complete and you expect to sum up all of Morrigan's story in that short amount of time? I really hope this isn't just a DLC you've released just to give the Morrigan fans on this site the closure we wanted so we'll shut up, I would prefer to have no DLC at all rather than a DLC which will sum everything up in an hour because you're too lazy to come up with a decent ending to this great idea and well designed character.


The idea that you're finishing the whole Morrigan story here is an educated assumption based on the replies we've seen from Bioware in this and other threads regarding her story.

I'd just be disappointed if it were to end in a single DLC as it has so much more potential.

Modifié par tom2504, 02 septembre 2010 - 03:07 .


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MKDAWUSS wrote...

Did. Not. Need. To. See. Ghoul. Morrigan. Before. Going. To. Sleep.

No love for TaintedMorri? I've got more just waiting to be posted...:devil:

How about some Claudia Black then?
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tom2504 wrote...
The idea that you're finishing the whole Morrigan story here is an educated assumption based on the replies we've seen from Bioware in this and other threads regarding her story.

I'd just be disappointed if it were to end in a single DLC as it has so much more potential.


I agree with the disappointment that this isn't taking the shape of an expack or something bigger.

But this is the conclusion for the Warden but not necessarily Morrigan. They've said she has more story to be told but we'll get some answers in this DLC but not all of them.

Time will tell, I really hope BioWare doesn't muck it up.

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Ghoul Morrigan.....my worst fears about all the DA franchise have finally materialised into a dreaded form.

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Brockololly wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Did. Not. Need. To. See. Ghoul. Morrigan. Before. Going. To. Sleep.

No love for TaintedMorri? I've got more just waiting to be posted...:devil:

How about some Claudia Black then?
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Girl crush!!! :o

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tom2504 wrote...
The idea that you're finishing the whole Morrigan story here is an educated assumption based on the replies we've seen from Bioware in this and other threads regarding her story.

I'd just be disappointed if it were to end in a single DLC as it has so much more potential.

Haven't the devs left it open that Morrigan could appear in future games?  It's the end of the Warden, not Morrigan, from what I understand.

Warden R.I.P.

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Addai67 wrote...
Haven't the devs left it open that Morrigan could appear in future games?  It's the end of the Warden, not Morrigan, from what I understand.

Warden R.I.P.


yeah, Gaider and the devs have said Morrigan's story isn't done but that Witch Hunt is it for our Wardens...:crying:

Although the marketing for Witch Hunt is kind of odd- the trailer says "Morrigan's Fate Revealed"- so do they mean fate as in her ultimate purpose in the world of DA or fate as in her the final act in her story?

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I interpret it as her fate since you last saw her.

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Aphetto_LC wrote...

Something I noticed and I am not sure if it has been mentioned, but during Awakening when you are making you final push to the Mother's Lair, one of the Disciples has a staff that looks like the staffs that the Morriclone Army wields in the DA2 trailer.


I was thinking of this earlier.   I recall an item that I picked up on one of those last bridges heading into the Mother's Lair that was called  "Flemeth's Broomstick."  I remember thinking: "Oh, this'll be important later."  I completely forgot about it until today.  Interesting.

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Barbarossa2010 wrote...

Aphetto_LC wrote...

Something I noticed and I am not sure if it has been mentioned, but during Awakening when you are making you final push to the Mother's Lair, one of the Disciples has a staff that looks like the staffs that the Morriclone Army wields in the DA2 trailer.


I was thinking of this earlier.   I recall an item that I picked up on one of those last bridges heading into the Mother's Lair that was called  "Flemeth's Broomstick."  I remember thinking: "Oh, this'll be important later."  I completely forgot about it until today.  Interesting.

"Flemeth's Boomstick" would have been way better. DA2 could be an epic battle between Flemeth and Bruce Campbell. (My apologies for wandering so completely off topic.)

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Regarding Morrigan, wouldn't you think she's far too smart to have herself tainted by a mirror that everyone appears to already know can carry the taint? 
She's too much set on survival to go do something like that, perhaps she knows this mirror is untainted or managed to cure the taint on it.
Also from the dialogues Brock posted, it seems to me that the mirrors themselves aren't actually tainted, but that something on the other side might be tainted and might somehow reach out through the mirror.

A quest for immortality would be rather odd, since she mentioned in the Flemeth dialogue that she had no desires for it and found it unnatural. She might have changed her mind on that however.
It would also be too straight forward that she wanted to use the OGB / some other way for immortality, knowing the Bioware team they like to give a twist to things, like the best choice of king turning out to be the worst! ;)

From the moment we gave her the first Grimoire she's been set on finding a solution to the Flemeth problem, one of the things she mentioned was that slaying Flemeth would give her time to come up with a way to keep herself safe from her. We know the Old Gods spoke to the Tevinther mages and taught them powerfull magic, perhaps Morrigan seeks to speak with one of the Old Gods or an immortal Tevinther mage (we know blood magic can extend lifespans from Warden's Keep!), perhaps seeking a solution to her problem with Flemeth.

If she does do something bad, I would love to either join her or change her mind... Really loved the Aribeth fight in Neverwinter Nights were you could talk her down at the end... Of course Nasher still decided to hang her, so I would like to see that part changed here! ;) hehe

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I only have the free DLC i got with my origins.. So not sure wether to get any of the others tbh, anyone able to varify if any are worth buying.

I loved Wardens Keep, the story and items are great, though not transferrable to Awakening.

I liked Return To Ostagar, though the story was a bit thin, the items and companion chat between Wynne and Alistair made up for it, Morrigan kept very quiet in this DLC though! It was also nice to give Cailan his sent off.

Leliana's Song, was fun but not great, its more fun in a B-movie kind of way. They broke a lot of Lore in that DLC and most of it was hack and slash.

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hehe I completely agree... Love Claudia Black! :D Wonder if her voice has anything to do with the attraction of Morrigan! ;)

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Brockololly wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
Haven't the devs left it open that Morrigan could appear in future games?  It's the end of the Warden, not Morrigan, from what I understand.

Warden R.I.P.


yeah, Gaider and the devs have said Morrigan's story isn't done but that Witch Hunt is it for our Wardens...:crying:

Although the marketing for Witch Hunt is kind of odd- the trailer says "Morrigan's Fate Revealed"- so do they mean fate as in her ultimate purpose in the world of DA or fate as in her the final act in her story?



Thats what really makes my blood burn...It's that  Gaider, he wants the Warden done, you spend all that time to build a character that you can't use anymore and why even have a guy like Hawke in DA2, same ****ing **** will  happen with him. 

Gaider dosen't make happy endings, so get ready for  his new EVIL Morrigan.  SO you have DA3 and the next Lame ass hero of Gaider's, named LAME.....has to kill the evil Morrigan, how boring.  It's like they took what could have been good about DA and took a **** on it.

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Brockololly wrote...


So as for Morrigan's role in this DLC and her fate? I'm clueless. It really could be any number of things- far too many to count.   Gaider said that closure was the key for this DLC. You've got this quote from him on the Witch Hunt main thread:

David Gaider wrote...
Consider this:

If you're looking on this only from the romance perspective, out of all  the romances in Dragon Age Morrigan's is the only one you never get any personal closure on. Not even a little bit. I understand wanting more from Alistair, Zevran and Leliana but you do at least get something from them... whereas from Morrigan you get nothing (albeit for very good reasons).

So for those men who romanced Morrigan, you might want to cut them some slack.

That said, that's not the only reason to do this DLC-- I would think many  people would be curious as to what the future holds regarding Morrigan. And, yes, it takes all the various ending states of Origins into  account. And, yes, in case anyone's wondering I wrote the Morrigan  part.

 

I know Gaider said not to worry later on and such in one of his status updates, but I'm skeptical. You can certainly provide closure without reigniting the romance. 


Alas my hopes have been crushed :(. From what you posted above, Gaider has specifically said that the Morrigan romance will not respark/gain closure/happy ending...I don't care if it's for good reasons, I just wanted a Leliana like ending. Why is it, all the characters I choose to romance die or become pricks in the next installment (ala Ashley in ME2). 

Unless, I'm completely reading out of context and he's referring to her romance in DA:O, if that's so then he's implying there WILL be closure...ahh, I see now. Re-reading FTW! :o

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I just watched the video and what the hell was that?! Did Morrigan just threaten my Warden before stepping in the Wonderland mirror in the Fade?



Hurm...

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Brockololly wrote...

I know Gaider said not to worry later on and such in one of his status
updates, but I'm skeptical. You can certainly provide closure without
reigniting the romance. The fact that Gaider mentions how we get nothing
from Morrigan "albeit for very good reasons" has me thinking though
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What I fear is that this DLC simply lets us chat with Morrigan about our
romance but that the romance stays dead, you only get the reasons from
Morrigan why it must stay dead and never to be.  I could do some more
doom and gloom on that point but I'll spare you.


Sorry, but how exactly do you interpret that as saying "your romance is dead and will stay that way"?

He's obviously referring to DR and the fact that for whatever reason Morrigan couldn't explain her plans to the Warden then. According to him there was a good reason for that, but we don't know it yet.
Nothing in what he wrote mentions the romance in any way.

Right now we have no reason to expect the worst, unless you really want to convince yourself that Bioware is making the Witch Hunt for sole purpose of screwing you over, which, to me, comes across as bordering on paranoia (no insult intented).

All we have right now is a 5 minute trailer, a quick shot of Morrigan's face and a few words from her that you can't put into any kind of context. You can't build a valid theory of what will happen to Morrigan or the Warden based on that. At least no more than you could have built a plot for Origins based upon Sacred Ashes and Warden's Calling trailers.

I suggest we withhold our judgement until Witch Hunt has been released and we had a chance to play it.

Trailers aren't reliable when it comes to predicting plot or character development.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 02 septembre 2010 - 09:59 .


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Swoo wrote...

I just watched the video and what the hell was that?! Did Morrigan just threaten my Warden before stepping in the Wonderland mirror in the Fade?

Hurm...


Because she screwed every warden? There are those that she doesn't like, and they get to find her too.

Edit: And that threat is in character for her with every warden IMO.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 02 septembre 2010 - 10:28 .


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the trailer is 5 minutes ?i thought it was about 58 seconds

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KendallX23 wrote...

the trailer is 5 minutes ?i thought it was about 58 seconds


The people here let it go until the Morrigan shot and then pause the video for 4 minutes. That is how.

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Herr Uhl wrote...

KendallX23 wrote...

the trailer is 5 minutes ?i thought it was about 58 seconds


The people here let it go until the Morrigan shot and then pause the video for 4 minutes. That is how.


Indeed. :wub: