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[Giggles_Manically]

IT would be easier just to make a new thread about it.



I really am hoping they dont go the DARTH MORRI kills the lame Warden route.

[Skyl4rk]

So, something just occured to me on my way to work today concerning the OGB (yes I think about the game that much). We all know how the Joining works: recruit drinks darkspawn and a drop of an Archdemon's blood, and they become connected to the darkspawn. By the same token, in Awakening, the blood of a Grey Warden disrupts the connection between the darkspawn and the call of the Archdemon. Now, with the OGB being the child of the Warden yet having the soul of an Old God, would it be safe to speculate that his/her blood could be the cure to the taint if an Archdemon is exposed to it? I know...crazy idea. But I've always wondered what the true purpose is for the OGB and this is one of the theories that came to mind. The only problem is that not everyone did the ritual =/



What do you guys think?

[LobselVith8]

Skyl4rk wrote...

So, something just occured to me on my way to work today concerning the OGB (yes I think about the game that much). We all know how the Joining works: recruit drinks darkspawn and a drop of an Archdemon's blood, and they become connected to the darkspawn. By the same token, in Awakening, the blood of a Grey Warden disrupts the connection between the darkspawn and the call of the Archdemon. Now, with the OGB being the child of the Warden yet having the soul of an Old God, would it be safe to speculate that his/her blood could be the cure to the taint if an Archdemon is exposed to it? I know...crazy idea. But I've always wondered what the true purpose is for the OGB and this is one of the theories that came to mind. The only problem is that not everyone did the ritual =/

What do you guys think?

I believe it was said by Gaider that the baby would be normal and didn't have the taint. As for the ramifications of having the soul of an Old God, I'm hoping the DLC will explore that, as well as a resolution between Morrigan and the Warden.

Hmmm, I wonder what Morrigan would think of a Mage Warden who was the Teyrn of Gwaren. Free from the restrictions of the Ferelden Circle and the Chantry, second only to the King in nobility and power, a private army at his disposal, popular among the people despite being a mage, and no one to restrict his magic.

[Brockololly]

Here is a quick preview of Witch Hunt from IGN- its written by the same "WHOA! BaDaZZ!" person that wrote their DA2 preview, so it reads sort of like a 5th grader wrote it. They even complain about how lame DAO's combat is after playing DA2 in the preview for Witch Hunt....Nothing too spoilerific in there I suppose, but here are the main points:

• Your relationship with Morrigan will make a difference
• There is extra stuff in WH if you're Dalish
• Quoting now: 

  The search for Morrigan begins after a few rangers spot a woman fitting
  her description in the woods near Flemeth's house. It's your task to
  investigate the situation and uncover the connection between her and the
  Archdemon. Morrigan is on a mission again, but it's not clear what her
  intentions are and that's where you come in.

• Since your original team has disbanded, you'll meet a couple folks along
  the way to aid you on your journey. To start, everyone is given a
  Mabari war hound regardless of whether or not the original character had
  one. Your two humanoid companions are Ariane, a Dalish Elf and Finn, a
  human mage. Ariane is a no-nonsense kind of gal with a clear goal: find
  Morrigan and retrieve the book she stole. To contrast her personality,
  Finn is a book worm that leads a sheltered life in the safety of the
  Circle of Magi's library.

• Seems the Strider is referred to its Elven name, Verterral, in this DLC.
• You meet up with Morrigan and how that confrontation shakes down is dependent on your prior relationship with her

Pretty much stuff we already knew, but the bit on Morrigan stealing a book is new. As is the part of where the author says we have to "uncover the connection between her (Morrigan) and the Archdemon." Are they referring to the OGB there? Or is there something else going on- I thought Morrigan was interested in the Old Gods, not the Archdemon necessarily. Or is this just another instance of people not getting the names right (darkspawn being called goblins in previews for DA2...)?

And its not entirely clear about whether we're importing our DOg or if they sort of just give us a new DOg and we pretend its the same one?
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As for spoilers and such, I'll just not be checking out the forums on Tuesday once Witch Hunt goes live. I avoided spoilers mostly for Origins and I'd hate to basically have the ending ruined now. I suppose there is that other thread on Witch Hunt specifically in this forum and you can always go to Quett's Morrigan group and start a spoiler thread there too if we wanted.

Another idea would be (highlight to read): to change the color of your font to hide spoilers. If you want to hide the spoilers, just remember to change the font color to the top upper right dark gray color to hide them.

Modifié par Brockololly, 03 septembre 2010 - 06:40 .

[Nerevar-as]

Brockololly wrote...

Here is a quick preview of Witch Hunt from IGN- its written by the same "WHOA! BaDaZZ!" person that wrote their DA2 preview, so it reads sort of like a 5th grader wrote it. They even complain about how lame DAO's combat is after playing DA2 in the preview for Witch Hunt....Nothing too spoilerific in there I suppose, but here are the main points:

• Your relationship with Morrigan will make a difference
• There is extra stuff in WH if you're Dalish
• Quoting now: 

  The search for Morrigan begins after a few rangers spot a woman fitting
  her description in the woods near Flemeth's house. It's your task to
  investigate the situation and uncover the connection between her and the
  Archdemon. Morrigan is on a mission again, but it's not clear what her
  intentions are and that's where you come in.

• Since your original team has disbanded, you'll meet a couple folks along
  the way to aid you on your journey. To start, everyone is given a
  Mabari war hound regardless of whether or not the original character had
  one. Your two humanoid companions are Ariane, a Dalish Elf and Finn, a
  human mage. Ariane is a no-nonsense kind of gal with a clear goal: find
  Morrigan and retrieve the book she stole. To contrast her personality,
  Finn is a book worm that leads a sheltered life in the safety of the
  Circle of Magi's library.

• Seems the Strider is referred to its Elven name, Verterral, in this DLC.
• You meet up with Morrigan and how that confrontation shakes down is dependent on your prior relationship with her

Pretty much stuff we already knew, but the bit on Morrigan stealing a book is new. As is the part of where the author says we have to "uncover the connection between her (Morrigan) and the Archdemon." Are they referring to the OGB there? Or is there something else going on- I thought Morrigan was interested in the Old Gods, not the Archdemon necessarily. Or is this just another instance of people not getting the names right (darkspawn being called goblins in previews for DA2...)?

And its not entirely clear about whether we're importing our DOg or if they sort of just give us a new DOg and we pretend its the same one?
=======================================================================

As for spoilers and such, I'll just not be checking out the forums on Tuesday once Witch Hunt goes live. I avoided spoilers mostly for Origins and I'd hate to basically have the ending ruined now. I suppose there is that other thread on Witch Hunt specifically in this forum and you can always go to Quett's Morrigan group and start a spoiler thread there too if we wanted.

Another idea would be (highlight to read): to change the color of your font to hide spoilers. If you want to hide the spoilers, just remember to change the font color to the top upper right dark gray color to hide them.

[*]If it is the same reviewer as that DA2 one the reliability is not very high.

[Brockololly]

On the topic of importing into Witch Hunt again, David Sims, one of the Technical Designers, posted this in the Witch Hunt announcement thread not too long ago:

DavidSims wrote...

A great deal of effort went into figuring out what kind of relationship the warden had with Morrigan so  that Witch Hunt can react to it. It is not using the same scripting logic as Awakening, and won't have the same bugs.

That said, it's a complicated relationship. In some cases there isn't any direct way totrack exactly what happened, and we have to rely on proxy information to make a good guess. As such, I can't guarantee that there won't be any bugs, but efforts were made and hopefuly any issues will be minor.

Hmmm... This is one of my problems with Orgins that popped up in Awakening. I made a thread prior to Awakening coming out asking if Oghren's approval would carry through and Gaider responded with this:

David Gaider wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...
I don't know about the approval but yes, the personal quest does carry over, or the game assumes you did it, whether you did it or not. In Awakening he has a child and is with (married?) to Felsi.

As I understand it, plot flags ("did somone do X quest?") can be carried over but  approval (which is a variable stored on the PC character local to origins) can not. It's been a while since Oghren saw you, at least, but  if you did his personal quest (and how you did it) is at least an indication of how you two got along.

So it seems any actual approval wouldn't carry over, but anything plot flag related might.

Now a couple questions for those like Terra_Ex or Blademaster that are more technically savvy than myself:

What flags would Sims be thinking about to approximate the relationship status? Are there flags for the ring, giving Morrigan the grimoires or giving her the golden mirror? And out of curiousity, with Terra's mod, does that set both the romance active flag and the still in love flag? Will possibly having both of those set, mess things up in WH? Are any other Morrigan plot related flags altered in a big way with Terra's mod- like with the Grimoires or anything?

Like I've said before, even if the story is good and all in this DLC, buggy importing could really ruin it for me...

Modifié par Brockololly, 03 septembre 2010 - 07:17 .

[Master Shiori]

I guess those of us who post here regularly will do it here, at least as far as Morrigan's fate is concerned.



We could, ofc, make a separate topic to discuss the Witch Hunt in general, but I imagine most of the Morrigan relevant discussions will take place here.

[GardenSnake]

Pfft, thanks for rubbing it in our face how extreme DA2 will be guy at IGN...... I already see then giving 2 a 9.9, thye loved how dumbed down ME2 was and in regards to continuation, they could give a rat's ass. VC2 has a new story but the reviewer dismissed continuation in the first sentence and started going off about how awesome it was....



But anyways, I really hope Dog is actually our Dog.

[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...

Now a couple questions for those like Terra_Ex or Blademaster that are more technically savvy than myself:

What flags would Sims be thinking about to approximate the relationship status? Are there flags for the ring, giving Morrigan the grimoires or giving her the golden mirror? And out of curiousity, with Terra's mod, does that set both the romance active flag and the still in love flag? Will possibly having both of those set, mess things up in WH? Are any other Morrigan plot related flags altered in a big way with Terra's mod- like with the Grimoires or anything?

Like I've said before, even if the story is good and all in this DLC, buggy importing could really ruin it for me...

If I were to take a guess, I'd say the important stuff that will determine how Morrigan responds to the Warden is:

1) Whether or not you did her personal quest
2) Did you romance her and receive her ring
3) Did you do the DR

I doubt they'll be able to track our approval with her at the end of Origins.

My guess is if your Warden did all 3 points then you get the best possible reception from Morrigan and have the shot at getting back together with her.

If you did points 1) and 3) then you're probably in the friendship zone

Having only point 1) could be tricky since it could mean your character was friendly with Morrigan but refused the DR or he/she could have been at odds with Morrigan throughout the whole game.
Most likely you'll have to clarify your relationship with her through your dialogue choices.

[Brockololly]

Master Shiori wrote...

If I were to take a guess, I'd say the important stuff that will determine how Morrigan responds to the Warden is:

1) Whether or not you did her personal quest
2) Did you romance her and receive her ring
3) Did you do the DR

I doubt they'll be able to track our approval with her at the end of Origins.

My guess is if your Warden did all 3 points then you get the best possible reception from Morrigan and have the shot at getting back together with her.

If you did points 1) and 3) then you're probably in the friendship zone

Having only point 1) could be tricky since it could mean your character was friendly with Morrigan but refused the DR or he/she could have been at odds with Morrigan throughout the whole game.
Most likely you'll have to clarify your relationship with her through your dialogue choices.

I don't think they can track numerical approval. So after taking a quick look at the flags in the toolset, here is a quick list of possible things to track:

• Whether you gave her Flemeth's grimoire or kept it
• Whether you got the Black Grimoire
• Whether Flemeth is alive or dead
• Whether she gave you the ring
• Whether she taught shapeshifting
• Whether she left the party
• What her romance status is (romance active or still in love or some combination?)
• And all the variations of the DR choice

I don't think it tracked the Golden mirror- it looks like that just results in an approval jump. There are a whole bunch of conditional flags that define whether you made love with Morrigan or whether she is at adore or you dumped her and stuff, but I don't know if they carry that through.

[Skyl4rk]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Skyl4rk wrote...
So, something just occured to me on my way to work today concerning the OGB (yes I think about the game that much). We all know how the Joining works: recruit drinks darkspawn and a drop of an Archdemon's blood, and they become connected to the darkspawn. By the same token, in Awakening, the blood of a Grey Warden disrupts the connection between the darkspawn and the call of the Archdemon. Now, with the OGB being the child of the Warden yet having the soul of an Old God, would it be safe to speculate that his/her blood could be the cure to the taint if an Archdemon is exposed to it? I know...crazy idea. But I've always wondered what the true purpose is for the OGB and this is one of the theories that came to mind. The only problem is that not everyone did the ritual =/
What do you guys think?

I believe it was said by Gaider that the baby would be normal and didn't have the taint. As for the ramifications of having the soul of an Old God, I'm hoping the DLC will explore that, as well as a resolution between Morrigan and the Warden.

True...but I never said that the OGB still carries the taint.   I was just drawn to the question why the child possess the Old God soul without the taint.  Was it because the child's biological inheritance fused w/ the Archdemon's taint, and thus neutralizing the corruption?  It's kind of like the same effect w/ the Warden's blood to the darkspawn. 

[SirOccam]

I wonder why they can't track approval. It seems like an integer (or maybe a pair of integers, one for "warm," "friendly," "love," "adore," etc.) shouldn't be such a burden. But then again I'm talking out of my ass and I know nothing about game programming.

[GardenSnake]

Master Shiori wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Now a couple questions for those like Terra_Ex or Blademaster that are more technically savvy than myself:

What flags would Sims be thinking about to approximate the relationship status? Are there flags for the ring, giving Morrigan the grimoires or giving her the golden mirror? And out of curiousity, with Terra's mod, does that set both the romance active flag and the still in love flag? Will possibly having both of those set, mess things up in WH? Are any other Morrigan plot related flags altered in a big way with Terra's mod- like with the Grimoires or anything?

Like I've said before, even if the story is good and all in this DLC, buggy importing could really ruin it for me...

If I were to take a guess, I'd say the important stuff that will determine how Morrigan responds to the Warden is:

1) Whether or not you did her personal quest
2) Did you romance her and receive her ring
3) Did you do the DR

I doubt they'll be able to track our approval with her at the end of Origins.

My guess is if your Warden did all 3 points then you get the best possible reception from Morrigan and have the shot at getting back together with her.

If you did points 1) and 3) then you're probably in the friendship zone

Having only point 1) could be tricky since it could mean your character was friendly with Morrigan but refused the DR or he/she could have been at odds with Morrigan throughout the whole game.
Most likely you'll have to clarify your relationship with her through your dialogue choices.

For point 2, what if you broke up with her though, another variable to consider.

[blademaster7]

Brockololly wrote...
What flags would Sims be thinking about to approximate the relationship status? Are there flags for the ring, giving Morrigan the grimoires or giving her the golden mirror? And out of curiousity, with Terra's mod, does that set both the romance active flag and the still in love flag? Will possibly having both of those set, mess things up in WH? Are any other Morrigan plot related flags altered in a big way with Terra's mod- like with the Grimoires or anything?

Like I've said before, even if the story is good and all in this DLC, buggy importing could really ruin it for me...

All the things you mentioned above have flags attached to them, even the mirror. If they can't do anything with the approval meter then I guess they'll have to use the flags associated to the DR, her sidequest and, of course, the romance. I don't see how it could be a problem though. After you finish her sidequest the "friendly" and "love" flags are eligible, and when her approval goes up to 90 you get one of those.

Don't worry too much about it. It's quite easy to use a flag that recognizes the romance, even if you talked to her during the final battle. They don't even need to script one because the scripts are already in the toolset.

[Nerevar-as]

Skyl4rk wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Skyl4rk wrote...
So, something just occured to me on my way to work today concerning the OGB (yes I think about the game that much). We all know how the Joining works: recruit drinks darkspawn and a drop of an Archdemon's blood, and they become connected to the darkspawn. By the same token, in Awakening, the blood of a Grey Warden disrupts the connection between the darkspawn and the call of the Archdemon. Now, with the OGB being the child of the Warden yet having the soul of an Old God, would it be safe to speculate that his/her blood could be the cure to the taint if an Archdemon is exposed to it? I know...crazy idea. But I've always wondered what the true purpose is for the OGB and this is one of the theories that came to mind. The only problem is that not everyone did the ritual =/
What do you guys think?

I believe it was said by Gaider that the baby would be normal and didn't have the taint. As for the ramifications of having the soul of an Old God, I'm hoping the DLC will explore that, as well as a resolution between Morrigan and the Warden.

True...but I never said that the OGB still carries the taint.   I was just drawn to the question why the child possess the Old God soul without the taint.  Was it because the child's biological inheritance fused w/ the Archdemon's taint, and thus neutralizing the corruption?  It's kind of like the same effect w/ the Warden's blood to the darkspawn. 

Old God Baby is 3 months old. Without fast aging I don´t see any ramifications in the next few years in DA. I don´t expect anything until DA3. I´d like the ramifications depending on the relationship Morrigan-Warden. If hardened Alistair made a far better king, I´d like a "softened" Morrigan having goals somehow different that if her only big influence was Flemeth.

[Nerevar-as]

blademaster7 wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
What flags would Sims be thinking about to approximate the relationship status? Are there flags for the ring, giving Morrigan the grimoires or giving her the golden mirror? And out of curiousity, with Terra's mod, does that set both the romance active flag and the still in love flag? Will possibly having both of those set, mess things up in WH? Are any other Morrigan plot related flags altered in a big way with Terra's mod- like with the Grimoires or anything?

Like I've said before, even if the story is good and all in this DLC, buggy importing could really ruin it for me...

All the things you mentioned above have flags attached to them, even the mirror. If they can't do anything with the approval meter then I guess they'll have to use the flags associated to the DR, her sidequest and, of course, the romance. I don't see how it could be a problem though. After you finish her sidequest the "friendly" and "love" flags are eligible, and when her approval goes up to 90 you get one of those.

Don't worry too much about it. It's quite easy to use a flag that recognizes the romance, even if you talked to her during the final battle. They don't even need to script one because the scripts are already in the toolset.

The mirror had a flag? I was not expecting that.

[Skyl4rk]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Skyl4rk wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Skyl4rk wrote...
So, something just occured to me on my way to work today concerning the OGB (yes I think about the game that much). We all know how the Joining works: recruit drinks darkspawn and a drop of an Archdemon's blood, and they become connected to the darkspawn. By the same token, in Awakening, the blood of a Grey Warden disrupts the connection between the darkspawn and the call of the Archdemon. Now, with the OGB being the child of the Warden yet having the soul of an Old God, would it be safe to speculate that his/her blood could be the cure to the taint if an Archdemon is exposed to it? I know...crazy idea. But I've always wondered what the true purpose is for the OGB and this is one of the theories that came to mind. The only problem is that not everyone did the ritual =/
What do you guys think?

I believe it was said by Gaider that the baby would be normal and didn't have the taint. As for the ramifications of having the soul of an Old God, I'm hoping the DLC will explore that, as well as a resolution between Morrigan and the Warden.

True...but I never said that the OGB still carries the taint.   I was just drawn to the question why the child possess the Old God soul without the taint.  Was it because the child's biological inheritance fused w/ the Archdemon's taint, and thus neutralizing the corruption?  It's kind of like the same effect w/ the Warden's blood to the darkspawn. 

Old God Baby is 3 months old. Without fast aging I don´t see any ramifications in the next few years in DA. I don´t expect anything until DA3. I´d like the ramifications depending on the relationship Morrigan-Warden. If hardened Alistair made a far better king, I´d like a "softened" Morrigan having goals somehow different that if her only big influence was Flemeth.

Right you are!  Not until DA3.  It was just brought to my attention after reading Brockololly's speculation concerning the OGB and the mirrors being a cure to the taint. 

[Brockololly]

blademaster7 wrote...

All the things you mentioned above have flags attached to them, even the mirror. If they can't do anything with the approval meter then I guess they'll have to use the flags associated to the DR, her sidequest and, of course, the romance. I don't see how it could be a problem though. After you finish her sidequest the "friendly" and "love" flags are eligible, and when her approval goes up to 90 you get one of those.

Don't worry too much about it. It's quite easy to use a flag that recognizes the romance, even if you talked to her during the final battle. They don't even need to script one because the scripts are already in the toolset.

Cool. Is there really a flag for the mirror though? I just looked quickly in the toolset and didn't see one?

So long as the right flags trigger in Witch Hunt, I'm a happy camper=]

[Nerevar-as]

I have the restoration mod, so my flags should be in the right place. At least I talked to her in Denerim and got the slide in Awakening.

[Master Shiori]

Since Terra's Morrigan resoration patch triggers both flags at the end of Origins, we shouldn't have any problems in Witch Hunt.

[blademaster7]

Brockololly wrote...

Cool. Is there really a flag for the mirror though? I just looked quickly in the toolset and didn't see one?

Yes there is. Check the "So life in the Wilds must have been very lonely." conversation. One line of dialogue is different and that's about it... It's cooll to have little things like that marked in your save, huh?

Master Shiori wrote...

Since Terra's Morrigan resoration patch triggers both flags at the end of Origins, we shouldn't have any problems in Witch Hunt.

I don't know if those flags can co-exist. You can have one of them but I'm not sure if you can have both at the same time. Maybe Terra will know more about this, but it doesn't matter anyway since it will work either way.

Modifié par blademaster7, 03 septembre 2010 - 09:49 .

[Brockololly]

Just as an FYI- if anyone missed it tonight, Gaider will be answering questions live again from PAX tomorrow it seems. Probably stay tuned to the BioWare twitter or this thread for more info.

I didn't see all of it, but I guess he gave some interesting non answers about Flemeth and Morrigan and their role in Thedas. Also said that while the Warden is not in DA2, maybe we'll see them again?

Some interesting stuff about friendships/rivalry too- sort of actually made me interested in DA2 again!

[Aphetto_LC]

Brockololly wrote...

Just as an FYI- if anyone missed it tonight, Gaider will be answering questions live again from PAX tomorrow it seems. Probably stay tuned to the BioWare twitter or this thread for more info.

I didn't see all of it, but I guess he gave some interesting non answers about Flemeth and Morrigan and their role in Thedas. Also said that while the Warden is not in DA2, maybe we'll see them again?

Some interesting stuff about friendships/rivalry too- sort of actually made me interested in DA2 again!

A recap or cliff notes posted anywhere?

[GardenSnake]

Brockololly wrote...

Just as an FYI- if anyone missed it tonight, Gaider will be answering questions live again from PAX tomorrow it seems. Probably stay tuned to the BioWare twitter or this thread for more info.

I didn't see all of it, but I guess he gave some interesting non answers about Flemeth and Morrigan and their role in Thedas. Also said that while the Warden is not in DA2, maybe we'll see them again?

Some interesting stuff about friendships/rivalry too- sort of actually made me interested in DA2 again!

Keeping the Warden hope alive, good on ya Brock! BTW, any other Witch Hunt previews that we should know about?

[Terra_Ex]

blademaster7 wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Cool. Is there really a flag for the mirror though? I just looked quickly in the toolset and didn't see one?

Yes there is. Check the "So life in the Wilds must have been very lonely." conversation. One line of dialogue is different and that's about it... [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie] It's cooll to have little things like that marked in your save, huh?

Master Shiori wrote...

Since Terra's Morrigan resoration patch triggers both flags at the end of Origins, we shouldn't have any problems in Witch Hunt.

I don't know if those flags can co-exist. You can have one of them but I'm not sure if you can have both at the same time. Maybe Terra will know more about this, but it doesn't matter anyway since it will work either way.

The flags can co-exist (though ideally they shouldn't, - console users/anybody who used the "golden mirror" trick in their post game save will have both Still_In_Love and Romance Active flags set in their save game, that's how the workaround works) I only set them both at the end to easily allow you to get the awakening epilogue slide plus it no longer matters since its very last conversation you can have with her. (It's basically the exact same result you'd get if you used the mirror in a post-game save only without the hassle of having to do so). thus, if its coded to react differently to romance_active and still in love, they will screw over players who did the mirror trick. The easiest thing to do (and what I'm guessing they went with) is have the romance lines trigger if either/both of those are active - sure it'll probably catch some fringe false positive cases but at least the morri romancers won't get screwed that way.
That's pretty much the major difference between my mod and a vanilla game file as far as romance flags are concerned, mine simply does not unset romance_active during the final denerim convo, thus allowing you to attain the awakening epilogue. I can't foresee it causing problems, but who knows. Very simple to set/unset if required.

iirc, the way the game normally breaks up the relationship entails calling a function that sets 3 separate flags regarding the romance being cut off, not resumable, etc (I forget exactly what happens as I've not looked at it in a while). Morrigan had 2 separate methods of ending the relationship in terms of code, one of which was marked as redundant but was still in use. Getting a bit sidetracked here, point being as far as I recall the final conversation merely unsets romance active and sets the still in love flag. Everything else (and I mean everything else) was left exactly the same way as they were in the vanilla game.

As I've stated before, a single flag for Morri that could only have been activated at the end of a successful romance could have made this a lot easier (and the lovetalk counter system in BG2 was actually a far more logical system than the one in use here imo), and me & blade have both commented previously on how useless the still_in_love flag is since it can be attained in a number of ways. Regardless, its still fairly easy to attain whether there was an active romance so I wouldn't worry.

It's nice that David Sims clarified the situation and allayed some fears, but it wouldn't be a bioware fantasy rpg without a litany of bugs now would it?

I do hope Gaider hasn't set some travesty up for romancing wardens and the talk I've heard of prolonging this saga till DA3 is to be expected I suppose.  If morri's set to persist well into the future sans our warden I can't say I see any kind of satisfying conclusion for the romance either in this DLC or in the future. Just finishing up my awakening playthrough atm (though mr architect  decided to nab about half my gear and spirit it into the fade never to be seen again... *sigh*, on a plus side morri's ring remained equipped throughout  ). I'm sure we'll be back in force next week for a rant if this fails to placate our wronged wardens... would bioware charge us more $$$ / £££ just to kick us poor saps while we're down... maybe.

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 04 septembre 2010 - 11:49 .