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[Morroian]

Brockololly wrote...

Just as an FYI- if anyone missed it tonight, Gaider will be answering questions live again from PAX tomorrow it seems. Probably stay tuned to the BioWare twitter or this thread for more info.

I didn't see all of it, but I guess he gave some interesting non answers about Flemeth and Morrigan and their role in Thedas.

He was vague but somewhat informative. He said that both Morrigan and Flemeth are significant characters in the overall story arc of the series.

[SirOccam]

Terra_Ex wrote...

Just finishing up my awakening playthrough atm (though mr architect  decided to nab about half my gear and spirit it into the fade never to be seen again... *sigh*, on a plus side morri's ring remained equipped throughout  ).

Man...that would make me so unreasonably happy if Morrigan mentions something about the Warden still wearing the ring.

[fantasypisces]

SirOccam wrote...

Terra_Ex wrote...

Just finishing up my awakening playthrough atm (though mr architect  decided to nab about half my gear and spirit it into the fade never to be seen again... *sigh*, on a plus side morri's ring remained equipped throughout  ).

Man...that would make me so unreasonably happy if Morrigan mentions something about the Warden still wearing the ring.

Yup, my character is wearing the ring as well just waiting for the import

[Master Shiori]

All my Wardens who romanced Morrigan are wearing her ring and have done so since she gave it to them.



I know, not exactly practical when there are so many rings available that give you better stats, but I like to roleplay that my character never takes the ring off as a simbol of his love and devotion to Morrigan.

[fantasypisces]

Master Shiori wrote...

All my Wardens who romanced Morrigan are wearing her ring and have done so since she gave it to them.

I know, not exactly practical when there are so many rings available that give you better stats, but I like to roleplay that my character never takes the ring off as a simbol of his love and devotion to Morrigan.

Ditto :happy:
Throughout the rest of origins and awakenings I would always see these great rings and be like "oooooooohhhh", but for RP purposes, I never took Morrigan's ring off. Except in awakening, and then had to reload an earlier save because the architect never gave me my gear back ::grumble::

[KendallX23]

so i finished my mage run...with ring..no ring epilogue...and i got this ending for her Morrigan is last seen traveling west through the Frostback Mountains, possibly with child (if you completed the dark ritual or had atleast one sexual encounter with her).
this is my second playthrough with Morrigan as LI and with ring and the second with no ring epilogue...it is frustrating...i am giving up on trying it..dunno where i get it wrong

   then again..by looking at the wiki it seems i never got half the epilogue...beside Leliana and Morrigan i never get any epilogue slides in any playthroughs...just now relaised it..Sten tells to me that he will return home but that's it and it's before the slides

Modifié par KendallX23, 04 septembre 2010 - 12:07 .

[Brockololly]

KendallX23 wrote...

so i finished my mage run...with ring..no ring epilogue...and i got this ending for her Morrigan is last seen traveling west through the Frostback Mountains, possibly with child (if you completed the dark ritual or had atleast one sexual encounter with her).
this is my second playthrough with Morrigan as LI and with ring and the second with no ring epilogue...it is frustrating...i am giving up on trying it..dunno where i get it wrong

Did you talk to Morrigan again after everyone says goodbye at the Gates of Denerim? You have to talk with her there about "last night" after having done the DR- thats the one (usually) sure fire way to get that ring epilogue.

[KendallX23]

Brockololly wrote...

KendallX23 wrote...

so i finished my mage run...with ring..no ring epilogue...and i got this ending for her Morrigan is last seen traveling west through the Frostback Mountains, possibly with child (if you completed the dark ritual or had atleast one sexual encounter with her).
this is my second playthrough with Morrigan as LI and with ring and the second with no ring epilogue...it is frustrating...i am giving up on trying it..dunno where i get it wrong

Did you talk to Morrigan again after everyone says goodbye at the Gates of Denerim? You have to talk with her there about "last night" after having done the DR- thats the one (usually) sure fire way to get that ring epilogue.

but u told me not to talk to her after the goodbyes...u said it brakes the romance....

[MKDAWUSS]

KendallX23 wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

KendallX23 wrote...

so i finished my mage run...with ring..no ring epilogue...and i got this ending for her Morrigan is last seen traveling west through the Frostback Mountains, possibly with child (if you completed the dark ritual or had atleast one sexual encounter with her).
this is my second playthrough with Morrigan as LI and with ring and the second with no ring epilogue...it is frustrating...i am giving up on trying it..dunno where i get it wrong

Did you talk to Morrigan again after everyone says goodbye at the Gates of Denerim? You have to talk with her there about "last night" after having done the DR- thats the one (usually) sure fire way to get that ring epilogue.

but u told me not to talk to her after the goodbyes...u said it brakes the romance....

There is that one mod that'll give you the ring epilogue without the romance-ending dialog

[Brockololly]

KendallX23 wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

KendallX23 wrote...

so i finished my mage run...with ring..no ring epilogue...and i got this ending for her Morrigan is last seen traveling west through the Frostback Mountains, possibly with child (if you completed the dark ritual or had atleast one sexual encounter with her).
this is my second playthrough with Morrigan as LI and with ring and the second with no ring epilogue...it is frustrating...i am giving up on trying it..dunno where i get it wrong

Did you talk to Morrigan again after everyone says goodbye at the Gates of Denerim? You have to talk with her there about "last night" after having done the DR- thats the one (usually) sure fire way to get that ring epilogue.

but u told me not to talk to her after the goodbyes...u said it brakes the romance....

It depends on wha t you want:

• If you want the ring epilogue in Origins you have to talk with Morrigan that last time after the gates of Denerim goodbyes
• If you only want to get the "searching for Morrigan" epilogue in Awakening, then you do NOT talk with her that last time after the gates of Denerim
• For Witch Hunt though, it doesn't matter which one you did- hopefully it should read both as having done the Morrigan romance

[KendallX23]

so there is no way to get the ring epilogue without breaking the romance ?(no mods)

also the awakening searching for Morrigan ending seems to be based on if u take companions with u in the original ending...i had Zevran with me

this still makes me wonder why i only get a few epilogues then the game ends

[Brockololly]

Terra_Ex wrote...

As I've stated before, a single flag for Morri that could only have been activated at the end of a successful romance could have made this a lot easier (and the lovetalk counter system in BG2 was actually a far more logical system than the one in use here imo), and me & blade have both commented previously on how useless the still_in_love flag is since it can be attained in a number of ways. Regardless, its still fairly easy to attain whether there was an active romance so I wouldn't worry.

It's nice that David Sims clarified the situation and allayed some fears, but it wouldn't be a bioware fantasy rpg without a litany of bugs now would it?

True- whats a BioWare game without tons of romance bugs?

Terra_Ex wrote...
I do hope Gaider hasn't set some travesty up for romancing wardens and the talk I've heard of prolonging this saga till DA3 is to be expected I suppose.  If morri's set to persist well into the future sans our warden I can't say I see any kind of satisfying conclusion for the romance either in this DLC or in the future. Just finishing up my awakening playthrough atm (though mr architect  decided to nab about half my gear and spirit it into the fade never to be seen again... *sigh*, on a plus side morri's ring remained equipped throughout  ). I'm sure we'll be back in force next week for a rant if this fails to placate our wronged wardens... would bioware charge us more $$$ / £££ just to kick us poor saps while we're down... maybe.

Oh, no doubt this thread will be active next week. It'll be interesting to see how WItch Hunt plays out. Gaider in the livestream said once again that Morrigan is one of the more important people in Thedas so its safe to guess her story won't end with this DLC. So given her importance, but the way in which it seems the Warden is sort of being tossed aside, I'll becurious if we can get a WardenxMorri ending where they go off together or if we're going to get Gaidered again.

I'm cautioiusly hopeful we get a nice ending. Certainly getting a relatively nice ending with Morrigan and the Warden would sort of rinse the foul taste of Hawke out of my mouth and get me a little more excited for DA2. I will say that just watching the Gaider livestream yesterday did get me a tad bit more excited for DA2, as some of the stuff like the friendship/rivalry system sounds great. Although the fact that they're still only saying it'll be shorter than Origins and longer than Awakening worries me- RPGs need to be longer than 30-40 hours. I'm just worried given the short dev cycle, DA2 will only be about 20 hours or ME1 length, which would really suck.

[KendallX23]

oh well..i have a save right after the goodbyes..if i don't like things in Awakening and Witch Hunt then i will go back to it and replay the last part different...

[Nerevar-as]

KendallX23 wrote...

so there is no way to get the ring epilogue without breaking the romance ?(no mods)
also the awakening searching for Morrigan ending seems to be based on if u take companions with u in the original ending...i had Zevran with me
this still makes me wonder why i only get a few epilogues then the game ends

First time I finished Origins I had no mods and got the ring slide. Don´t know which version of the official patch was running.
I think the problem is for Awakening and if we are really unlucky WH. The odd thing about the dev answer is that it gave me the impression that while they had worked on the flag issue, they didn´t seem to have tested if they had gotten it right.

[KendallX23]

Nerevar-as wrote...

KendallX23 wrote...

so there is no way to get the ring epilogue without breaking the romance ?(no mods)
also the awakening searching for Morrigan ending seems to be based on if u take companions with u in the original ending...i had Zevran with me
this still makes me wonder why i only get a few epilogues then the game ends

First time I finished Origins I had no mods and got the ring slide. Don´t know which version of the official patch was running.
I think the problem is for Awakening and if we are really unlucky WH. The odd thing about the dev answer is that it gave me the impression that while they had worked on the flag issue, they didn´t seem to have tested if they had gotten it right.

       do u remember what u did to get the ring slide ?

[Terra_Ex]

Brockololly wrote...
Oh, no doubt this thread will be active next week. It'll be interesting to see how WItch Hunt plays out. Gaider in the livestream said once again that Morrigan is one of the more important people in Thedas so its safe to guess her story won't end with this DLC. So given her importance, but the way in which it seems the Warden is sort of being tossed aside, I'll becurious if we can get a WardenxMorri ending where they go off together or if we're going to get Gaidered again.

I'm cautioiusly hopeful we get a nice ending. Certainly getting a relatively nice ending with Morrigan and the Warden would sort of rinse the foul taste of Hawke out of my mouth and get me a little more excited for DA2.

Well I can envision about a thousand ways to screw over those of us that romanced her royally (to the extent it could completely undermine the player's actions during Origins) and maybe two or three possible scenarios where I could derive some measure of satisfaction from it.

I've not been active in the DA2 thread (as I prefer no spoilers and following a game closely tends to reveal far too much before you actually played) so I don't know much of what's been said regarding Morrigan's future in DA, but Shiori mentioned that Morri is due to appear in DA3, I dunno, seems a bit much to hope for a warden cameo or even epilogue reference two games ahead considering the amount of difficulty BW seem to have importing and retain even simple data. So yeah, I'm inclined toward pessimism regarding any mention of morrixwarden past witch hunt. How can you conclude the MorrixWarden plot thread in a positive manner if she's set to appear again in DA3, for me they're tied together - at least that's what I took from the ring slides and morri's talks on the subject. Ultimately, its just BW having the fans over a barrel and attempting to milk the morri plot for as long as possible and when Gaider's "games" become unwinnable by default you cease playing.

Getting Gaidered again... well it's risky business tbh, it'd more than annoy a lot of players, moreso considering this is being dealt with solely as a dlc. iirc Gaider ardently defended the original romance ending as appropriate back upon the game's release, very much at odds with how most fans felt, then conceded somewhat with Aimo's comic collaboration and now this finally seems to acknowledge that the way it was ended was far from satisfactory. Having to pay more money to get screwed over again only in a slightly
more elaborate way would certainly leave me with a negative lasting
impression of DA. But I try not to think about it too much otherwise I'll end up disappointed.

Brockololly wrote...
I will say that just watching the Gaider livestream yesterday did get me a tad bit more excited for DA2, as some of the stuff like the friendship/rivalry system sounds great. Although the fact that they're still only saying it'll be shorter than Origins and longer than Awakening worries me- RPGs need to be longer than 30-40 hours. I'm just worried given the short dev cycle, DA2 will only be about 20 hours or ME1 length, which would really suck.

You've mentioned that Gaider's comments on DA2 have got you interested, for me the storyline isn't really the concern, more the refocusing and scope limitations with the increased emphasis on consoles and "action". I'm totally with you on game length, streamlining rpgs for the casual audience really bugs me.

What I've seen of late with the Leliana DLC retconning and Morrigan's convenient return to Ferelden despite promising not to doesn't impress me - it just strikes me as them scrambling to put "something" together from loose plot threads and preexisting assets for the sake of it and as such this ends up squandered on a dlc. Seems like EA is wanting to DA2 out of the door asap in my eyes to the detriment of everything else. Though lets be honest, the post origins stuff has been wishy washy at best - there's no plan in place, just random... stuff every month, its not cohesive, its not building up to anything... its probably better to focus solely on DA2. I have mixed feelings on witch hunt and the da franchise's future but I'll stop there or we'll go way off topic.

That post was longer and rambled more than I intended... <_<

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 04 septembre 2010 - 03:54 .

[Master Shiori]

There are more reason to give us what we want in Witch Hunt than there are to screw us over.

I made several posts over the last few days explaining why this is so, and I really don't feel like reposting all that once more.

All I will say is that people at Bioware know full well how we all felt about the ending to Morrigan's romance in Origins and how passionately we've been arguing to get some sort of satisfying closure.
When David Gaider himself, the man who admits to love our tears, goes out and says that we needn't worry about what happens in Witch Hunt, and when Mike Laidlaw says that he believes Morrigan romancing Wardens will walk away from Witch Hunt with a big smile, then you really need to stop and think if maybe these people are actually trying to give us what we want rather then outright lying for their own amusement.

And having a happy ending where Morrigan and the Warden get back together but are both free to purusue their own adventures is quite possible. Just take a look at Jaheira romance in BG2. She and PC didn't stay together all the time but still had a happy romance.
My belief is that something similar will happen with Morrigan and the Warden.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 04 septembre 2010 - 04:23 .

[Nerevar-as]

KendallX23 wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

KendallX23 wrote...

so there is no way to get the ring epilogue without breaking the romance ?(no mods)
also the awakening searching for Morrigan ending seems to be based on if u take companions with u in the original ending...i had Zevran with me
this still makes me wonder why i only get a few epilogues then the game ends

First time I finished Origins I had no mods and got the ring slide. Don´t know which version of the official patch was running.
I think the problem is for Awakening and if we are really unlucky WH. The odd thing about the dev answer is that it gave me the impression that while they had worked on the flag issue, they didn´t seem to have tested if they had gotten it right.

       do u remember what u did to get the ring slide ?

No, I´m sorry. I´m pretty sure I talked to her before denerim battle however. For Awakening I´m afraid you´ll have to mod.

What does everybody   mean by getting gaidered? I understan the expression, I mean examples.

[KendallX23]

unless the ring part brings something great to the dlc i won't really bother to replay to get that scene

[Giggles_Manically]

Nerevar-as wrote...

KendallX23 wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

KendallX23 wrote...

so there is no way to get the ring epilogue without breaking the romance ?(no mods)
also the awakening searching for Morrigan ending seems to be based on if u take companions with u in the original ending...i had Zevran with me
this still makes me wonder why i only get a few epilogues then the game ends

First time I finished Origins I had no mods and got the ring slide. Don´t know which version of the official patch was running.
I think the problem is for Awakening and if we are really unlucky WH. The odd thing about the dev answer is that it gave me the impression that while they had worked on the flag issue, they didn´t seem to have tested if they had gotten it right.

       do u remember what u did to get the ring slide ?

No, I´m sorry. I´m pretty sure I talked to her before denerim battle however. For Awakening I´m afraid you´ll have to mod.

What does everybody   mean by getting gaidered? I understan the expression, I mean examples.

Its Pretty simple Gaider loves throwing players through an emotional loop to get at them.
Examples Include:
The Morrigan DR ending
or The Bastiala falling to the Dark Side and Revan trying to save her from it.

He does enjoy making fans squirm alot.
However he did write Airie's romance in BG, wierd enough.

[ximena]

Finally got around doing some witch hunt related art. xD

[Nerevar-as]

ximena wrote...

Finally got around doing some witch hunt related art. xD

I only hpe WH doen´t make all of us wish your fan comic were the real thing...

Apologies for the pessimism. Too many stories I´ve liked gone to hell.

[ximena]

Nerevar-as wrote...

ximena wrote...

Finally got around doing some witch hunt related art. xD

(snip)

I only hpe WH doen´t make all of us wish your fan comic were the real thing...

Apologies for the pessimism. Too many stories I´ve liked gone to hell.

Ahaha. Don't worry. I think most of the regulars here still have a speck of pessimism regarding Witch Hunt too. It's a part of being a Morrigan fan, methinks. xD

No matter how WH ends up though, DW is still Edric's canon. xD

I also got this interesting question from one of my watchers who commented at that piece.

"Has Morrigan become somewhat more like Flemeth, from whatever she were doing with that mirror? Is she an abomination now too?"


Hrmmmm.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Unless I am deaf, I could swear I heard David Gaider say "No Claudia Black voice over" in the livestream....

EDIT: When asked if Morrigan will show iup in the future, he said "yes, not telling you when". Maybe Morrigan doesn't show up in DA2? Or maybe she will, with a different voice  

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 04 septembre 2010 - 08:17 .