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Brockololly wrote...

Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't mind seeing Morrigan by herself in a future DA game, its just that IF the Warden has the chance to go off into the sunset with her in Witch Hunt, they'd need to explain why the Warden wasn't with her in the future.


Kinda depends... If the warden won't be back, I think I would rather have a happy end, riding off in the sunset ending now and not be mentioned at all when Morrigan returns. That way if I decide DA2 and DA3 are not worth my time, I could just consider DAO a finished story! :)

Besides if Hawke were to meet Morrigan in future I doubt he's going to ask: "Where's your boyfriend?"... :)


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No answers and she runs away regardless. Some f***** closure....**** you BioWare.

Did the reviewer state which savegame he imported? Can imagine she might react differently on different scenarios... Posted Image

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TheLion36 wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
No answers and she runs away regardless. Some f***** closure....**** you BioWare.

Did the reviewer state which savegame he imported? Can imagine she might react differently on different scenarios... Posted Image


I just skimmed to the end, but it seems we get Plot hammered. I stopped reading after a bit. The guy said Morrigan was as elusive as ever and didn't really give you any answers, even if you had the OGB with her.:(

That preview made me nauseous:sick:

Seriously, if having Morrigan run away AGAIN into her little mirror world is what Laidlaw thinks Morrigan fans will enjoy, my God he is clueless beyond hope. That preview is a joke too as they spoiled the whole thing. Stupid Gamespot.

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I just skimmed the gamespot WH preview and said it was 90minutes to 2 hours long then stopped reading as there are spoilers...

Edit: Ok, I just spoiled it..... I'm pissed, very very pissed.


We're getting Gaider'd again dammit.


No answers it seems and she runs away regardless.


If this preview is true, thats a hearty middle finger to every Morrigan fan out there. Seriously, I'll play this but if its as bad as that preview I'm done with BioWare.


Gaider'd! Again! *faceplam*

Spoilers ahead.  -Highlight-


And I get iffy with the "I left the OGB somewhere safe" thing. I mean..................... With Flemeth around the corner, is there even some place safe?! I don't see Morrigan just leaving the OGB "somewhere safe."  Plus....... she LEAVES. I do hope that for a romanced Warden, you can stop her and pester her into allowing you to go with her.

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It sounds like complete and utter bull**** to me. Spoilers- highlight: The whole "I kept it safe somewhere" excuse? It would be a freaking 2-4 month old baby? What kind of mother leaves a damn infant alone somewhere, that doesn't even make sense!? So the OGB, the one super important thing to Morrigan, and she just ditches it off with the babysitter while the enemy, Flemeth, is probably looking to snatch it? Oh thats brilliant.../facepalm

This really, really, really, really sucks.

Modifié par Brockololly, 05 septembre 2010 - 07:21 .


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I just skimmed to the end, but it seems we get Plot hammered. I stopped reading after a bit. The guy said Morrigan was as elusive as ever and didn't really give you any answers, even if you had the OGB with her.:(

That doesn't sound too good, then again even people who sent Morrigan away have the OGB option at the end. One can wonder if not having closure with the warden means he'll return, but knowing Bioware, logic mostly doesn't apply these days.
Not getting any answers however is odd, if that's the case then the Dark Ritual ending might have been a better conclusion to DAO than WH might be, would make WH feel like one of those comedy scenes where a character states he's leaving, closes the door, comes back in and states he's leaving again... Posted Image

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Its also complete and utter bull**** false marketing, not that I expected any different from BioWare. Oh "Morrigan's secrets revealed!" my ass they reveal anything more than making you want to bash your head into a wall with more DR style gimped dialogue running around in circles.

Hopefully this just another case of Gamespot's inept gaming "journalism" not being able to figure out a goblin from a darkspawn. We'll see for sure on Tuesday but my hopes have surely been dashed for anything above your typical Darkspawn Chronicles tripe.

Why BioWare would even let these people "preview" the DLC by letting them skip to the end is beyond me. Seriously, WTF? I'll play it myself, since I just got the damn BioWare points today when I was in more cheerful spirits, but if its as cursory as the Gamespot "preview" made it out to be, I'm through with DA. Just end it with some damn rocks falling to top it off, Gaider! There is your closure....ugh.


So it seems we're all paying BioWare to get kicked in the balls again...lovely.

Play it again Eomer! :(:(:(:(:(:(:(

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I tried to resist, I really did. In the end I caved and read it.



Sigh, no instant purchase for me. I'll sit and chill and wait for the yay's or nay's before giving my money now. I'm hoping it's just Gamespot being morons, they are kind of known for that.

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Swoo wrote...

I tried to resist, I really did. In the end I caved and read it.

Sigh, no instant purchase for me. I'll sit and chill and wait for the yay's or nay's before giving my money now. I'm hoping it's just Gamespot being morons, they are kind of known for that.


I already stupidly got my BioWare points today, so I'll get it regardless. But my expectations are nil. On the bright side, having zero expectations and expecting to get Gaider'd yet again means I have no where to go but up, right?<_<

It just boggles my mind how ME2 can get lengthy great quality DLC while DA gets stuck with this. Maybe I need to get my Bro on and become a Halo/Modern Warfare fan. I 've had it with being Gaider'd.

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Brockololly wrote...

Swoo wrote...

I tried to resist, I really did. In the end I caved and read it.

Sigh, no instant purchase for me. I'll sit and chill and wait for the yay's or nay's before giving my money now. I'm hoping it's just Gamespot being morons, they are kind of known for that.


I already stupidly got my BioWare points today, so I'll get it regardless. But my expectations are nil. On the bright side, having zero expectations and expecting to get Gaider'd yet again means I have no where to go but up, right?<_<

It just boggles my mind how ME2 can get lengthy great quality DLC while DA gets stuck with this. Maybe I need to get my Bro on and become a Halo/Modern Warfare fan. I 've had it with being Gaider'd.


I personally have nothing against ME or Halo. I own them both, enjoy the hell out of them. I know what kinds of games they are, and I knew what to expect when I made the purchase. I'm cool with it. So you becoming a ME/Halo fan isn't the worst thing that can happen. Sometimes you just want to kick back and blow s*** up and not think.

As to the DLC, I don't think they have one team that makes both do they? Instead I was under the impression they had a Mass Effect team that worked on the games and DLC, and a Dragon Age team that did the same. I would be very surprised if they shared the same workers and resources because the DA DLC has been absolutely pathetic save for what was originally cut from the game, while the ME has been rather solid.

Well, since you have the points I'll let you be my tester for WH. Buy it, give it to us straight. If you say it's solid I'll get it, if not, oh well, money saved.

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Brockololly wrote...

Swoo wrote...

I tried to resist, I really did. In the end I caved and read it.

Sigh, no instant purchase for me. I'll sit and chill and wait for the yay's or nay's before giving my money now. I'm hoping it's just Gamespot being morons, they are kind of known for that.


I already stupidly got my BioWare points today, so I'll get it regardless. But my expectations are nil. On the bright side, having zero expectations and expecting to get Gaider'd yet again means I have no where to go but up, right?<_<

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Swoo wrote..
I personally have nothing against ME or Halo. I own them both, enjoy the hell out of them. I know what kinds of games they are, and I knew what to expect when I made the purchase. I'm cool with it. So you becoming a ME/Halo fan isn't the worst thing that can happen. Sometimes you just want to kick back and blow s*** up and not think.


Oh, same here. Its just maddening with DA that they start out the franchise and you expect it go one way storywise and gameplay wise and then they seemingly do a 180, while crapping all over the story.

Swoo wrote..
As to the DLC, I don't think they have one team that makes both do they? Instead I was under the impression they had a Mass Effect team that worked on the games and DLC, and a Dragon Age team that did the same. I would be very surprised if they shared the same workers and resources because the DA DLC has been absolutely pathetic save for what was originally cut from the game, while the ME has been rather solid.


Yeah the DLC teams are separate. Its just frustrating to see ME get Lair of the Shadow Broker after people were pissed at how Liara was potrayed in ME2 and not available as a squadmate. The ME team seemed to actually understand what the fans wanted and seem to be giving them that. WIth DA on the other hand, if Gamespot is right, we all complained at the lack of answers and forced unhappy ending with Morrigan, so what do they do? RInse and repeat and sell it as a kick in the balls $7 DLC....*sigh*

Swoo wrote..
Well, since you have the points I'll let you be my tester for WH. Buy it, give it to us straight. If you say it's solid I'll get it, if not, oh well, money saved.


hehehe... Yeah I'll write a lengthy rant/review when I'm done with it. It would be ever so nice not to have to rant in it, but  the Gamespot preview isn't giving me much hope.

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Two days. Two days. *sighs*

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Axekix wrote...

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*quivering with rage*

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Oh and beautiful Morrigan sig, Axekix!

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Brockololly wrote...

Oh and beautiful Morrigan sig, Axekix!

Haha, thanks!  Felt the need to shake things up a bit, and Morri always makes good sig material. :D

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Brockololly wrote...

TheLion36 wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
No answers and she runs away regardless. Some f***** closure....**** you BioWare.

Did the reviewer state which savegame he imported? Can imagine she might react differently on different scenarios... Posted Image


I just skimmed to the end, but it seems we get Plot hammered. I stopped reading after a bit. The guy said Morrigan was as elusive as ever and didn't really give you any answers, even if you had the OGB with her.:(

That preview made me nauseous:sick:

Seriously, if having Morrigan run away AGAIN into her little mirror world is what Laidlaw thinks Morrigan fans will enjoy, my God he is clueless beyond hope. That preview is a joke too as they spoiled the whole thing. Stupid Gamespot.


I got 2 questions here:

1) Did they say which save they used when doing the review?

2) What exactly can you say to Morrigan if you romanced her? Can you restart  your relationship with her or do things stay the way they are at the end of Origins?

Honestly, I knew we wouldn't have Morrigan and the Warden stay together, but if you can at least continue the relationship with her, then the whole "Morrigan disappears again" isn't that much of a big deal.
I mean seriously, did anyone expect her and the Warden to settle down and raise their kid or something?

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Master Shiori wrote...

I got 2 questions here:

1) Did they say which save they used when doing the review?

2) What exactly can you say to Morrigan if you romanced her? Can you restart  your relationship with her or do things stay the way they are at the end of Origins?

Honestly, I knew we wouldn't have Morrigan and the Warden stay together, but if you can at least continue the relationship with her, then the whole "Morrigan disappears again" isn't that much of a big deal.
I mean seriously, did anyone expect her and the Warden to settle down and raise their kid or something?

I read the whole thing, since I'm a skip-to-the-last-page kind of girl.  They based the preview on both characters who had romanced Morrigan and others who hadn't.  Dialogue options changed if you had romanced her and/or if you had done the DR, but it says she is her usual cryptic self.  Basically I concur with Brock that it sounds like pre-DR conversation 2.0.

Spoilers follow.



It says she is cryptic, only saying the child is somewhere safe, that she's doing what she must do, that she needs to get power, and that the child is being prepared for what is to come.  Then she leaves and you can choose different options on how to leave things with her.

Modifié par Addai67, 05 septembre 2010 - 08:52 .


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Addai67 wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

I got 2 questions here:

1) Did they say which save they used when doing the review?

2) What exactly can you say to Morrigan if you romanced her? Can you restart  your relationship with her or do things stay the way they are at the end of Origins?

Honestly, I knew we wouldn't have Morrigan and the Warden stay together, but if you can at least continue the relationship with her, then the whole "Morrigan disappears again" isn't that much of a big deal.
I mean seriously, did anyone expect her and the Warden to settle down and raise their kid or something?

I read the whole thing, since I'm a skip-to-the-last-page kind of girl.  They based the preview on both characters who had romanced Morrigan and others who hadn't.  Dialogue options changed if you had romanced her and/or if you had done the DR, but it says she is her usual cryptic self.  Basically I concur with Brock that it sounds like pre-DR conversation 2.0.

Spoilers follow.



It says she is cryptic, only saying the child is somewhere safe, that she's doing what she must do, that she needs to get power, and that the child is being prepared for what is to come.  Then she leaves and you can choose different options on how to leave things with her.


Well, this is pretty much what I hoped for. If it gives me the chance to rekindle the relationship with her then I'm fine with how things play out.

I really hope that the whole "she's being cryptic again" thing is an exageration on the Gamespot's part, since I really want some answers to the mystery of Morrigan and her plans. I don't expect any major revelations but something to at least give us a clue as to what she wants and what her realtionship with Flemeth is.

Right now I still have hope that Witch hUnt will turn out to be a satisfying experience, but that really depends on that last conversation with Morrigan and how things stand after that.

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i understand some people won't like the ending of the DLC but from what Gamespot says it does make a closure of sorts if u can pick how u end the DLC...maybe The Warden can have the option to help Morrigan and be prepared for this thing that is to come.SInce Gamespot didn't give us exact dialogue choices we don't know what we can say to her..so we should just wait...i am actually interested to play through the DLC now and see for myself...let's not rush to conclusion..we all knew the Warden would not stay with Morrigan...maybe that is why the Warden dissapears at the end of Awakening epilogue..after a few years...to get prepared for whatever happens

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Witch Hunt takes place after Awakening.

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Master Shiori wrote...

Witch Hunt takes place after Awakening.


   i know..but the sliders do say the warden dissapears after some times no ?or u think the WItch Hunt DLC was made or thought just now...dunno..i am just making a connection here..

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ximena wrote...

Two days. Two days. *sighs*


And then it'll be official as to whether I release my facepalm collection or not.

I'm actually not all that surprised by that synopsis, but I think it's gonna' have to be one of those things we'll have to experience ourselves.

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Master Shiori wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

I got 2 questions here:

1) Did they say which save they used when doing the review?

2) What exactly can you say to Morrigan if you romanced her? Can you restart  your relationship with her or do things stay the way they are at the end of Origins?

Honestly, I knew we wouldn't have Morrigan and the Warden stay together, but if you can at least continue the relationship with her, then the whole "Morrigan disappears again" isn't that much of a big deal.
I mean seriously, did anyone expect her and the Warden to settle down and raise their kid or something?

I read the whole thing, since I'm a skip-to-the-last-page kind of girl.  They based the preview on both characters who had romanced Morrigan and others who hadn't.  Dialogue options changed if you had romanced her and/or if you had done the DR, but it says she is her usual cryptic self.  Basically I concur with Brock that it sounds like pre-DR conversation 2.0.

Spoilers follow.



It says she is cryptic, only saying the child is somewhere safe, that she's doing what she must do, that she needs to get power, and that the child is being prepared for what is to come.  Then she leaves and you can choose different options on how to leave things with her.


Well, this is pretty much what I hoped for. If it gives me the chance to rekindle the relationship with her then I'm fine with how things play out.

I really hope that the whole "she's being cryptic again" thing is an exageration on the Gamespot's part, since I really want some answers to the mystery of Morrigan and her plans. I don't expect any major revelations but something to at least give us a clue as to what she wants and what her realtionship with Flemeth is.

Right now I still have hope that Witch hUnt will turn out to be a satisfying experience, but that really depends on that last conversation with Morrigan and how things stand after that.


Addai pretty much summed it up. My impression on the choosing how to leave things with her part though sounded like you get one last thing to say or do with her (I'm thinking spit at her feet if you hate her or maybe one last kiss if you romanced her) but that she goes off to her Mirror World regardless without the Warden.

Maybe it won't turn out so bad, but that preview really has me thinking its just  a Dark Ritual scene 2.0- Morrigan gives evasive and vague answers which really only raise more questions and its predetermined by The Plot Hammer of Doom that she leaves.

The questions I have then which sort of make or break the DLC and my interest in DA:
  • Can we ask why the Warden cannot come with her? Or can the Warden express a desire to help her?
  • Does Morrigan pretty much kill off the romance and all we can do is get "closure" from her as to why it can never be?
  • A better explanation for the God baby. Seriously? The one in the article sounds like a damn joke.
Its just  a continual matter of lowering expectations with DA it seems. The fundamental thing is, in my view, providing an answer as to why the Warden cannot come with her or help her directly. Maybe she gives him some way to help her while she is away. That would be ok. But my concern from a while back and even more so now, is that Gaider and crew are just going to push the whole "star crossed lovers" tragic angle on us and the "closure" we'll get is simply Morrigan explaining how the relationship can never be. And to "Deal with it."

I fail to see how having Morrigan run off again though provides closure. And if the answers we get are as skimpy as the preview makes it seem, then thats another WTF towards BioWare marketing claiming we'll get answers as "Morrigan's secrets finally revealed!" For most people that involves what the hell the DR and OGB were about and it seems we get no answers at all to that and at best we only get answers to the little plot they cooked up for this DLC.

And if the ending is as lame as it sounds, I have no idea how this DLC provides closure for the Warden's overall story, especially those who don't care for Morrigan. This whole thing just seems like a cheap cash in to grab $7 from the Morrigan fans before winding up and kicking them in the balls one last time before BioWare scurries off into the loving embrace of Epic Hawke, only to disregard Origins until they feel like cashing in again with more vague "answers" for Morrigan fans in DA3.

Cliffhangers work when they're followed up suitably. It seems like Witch Hunt simply provides another cliff hanger yet at best we'll waiting until 2013 to get any "answers." Hell, and even then it would probably be with Hawke or some other non-Warden PC.... Meh.:(

On the bright side, my expectations have no where to go but up, I guess.....Right?:wizard:

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It could be worse. So far it seems they won´t pull a Viconia or Aribeth on Morrigan. Not that it means much. It will be frustating if we play 1 1/2 hours to get the same "I love you but can´t be with you" again.

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Nerevar-as wrote...

It could be worse. So far it seems they won´t pull a Viconia or Aribeth on Morrigan. Not that it means much. It will be frustating if we play 1 1/2 hours to get the same "I love you but can´t be with you" again.


I think its safe to say that the Warden is just romancing (or trying to romance) a damn Plot Element at this point.

And hell, at least with the Viconia and Aribeth endings you had a fairly "happy" ending before we got Gaider'd. With Morrigan you don't even have that. If this is simply one step in some epic character arc, then fantastic. But if WH ends as it seems it does like in Origins, the Warde damn well better come back in DA3 whenever Morrigan returns from her Mirror trip.