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[Jacks Smirking Revenge]

Dang just read it, and wow that sounds like a terrible terrible ending if the article is correct.

[KendallX23]

how about we wait to play it ourselves..i would not be dissapointed if the conversation was well amde and it made sense...though cryptic Morrigan is not what i am looking for again...especailly when devs said we would not be dissapointed...

for a full comment i would have to play the game first

[adneate]

We all know deep down that it is correct, we got Gaidered y'all now it just a question of if we're going to pay $7 to see us get Gaidered in real time.



Personally I don't think so, on the other hand soon the hope train will be dead so that's something to not look forward to! The Warden gone and Morrigan gone and no real ending ever to be had, why what could be better than that.

[soundchaser721]

... So morrigan just disappears into the mirror and you can't follow her? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. What happens to the warden after that? Does he just sorta slink of into the distance never to be heard again while his long-lost love who he found again disappeared into a mirror and he chooses not to follow her?(although we probably don't have a choice). It would make much more sense if the warden follows her into the mirror; it would justify him not being in DA2 rather than "there wasn't another blight so... hes not needed". I really hope gamespot is wrong on this because if its true than i just lost all hope in the DA franchise.

[TheLion36]

Brockololly wrote...
Well, the only true sequels BioWare has made have been Baldur's Gate 2 and then Throne of Bhaal and then ME1 to ME2. Obsidian made NWN2 and KOTOR2, not BioWare. But BG2 and then ToB are probably my ideal versions of how a sequel should be handled- you add content to the game, retain the PC and most of the characters so you can have some actual character development and see them grow. ME2 definitely improved some things but also I felt cut back on too much.

Yeah you're right about Obsidian making those sequels. Never played BG 2 actually, tried once but since Neverwinter Nights was my first ever RPG, its hard to take a step back graphically hehe!  
Mass Effect 2 was indeed pretty cut back, but for the type of game (action Shooter/RPG) it did work. It would have been nice to see more old team mates, but I think bringing some of them back like Tali and Garrus was a nice move, especially with Shepard being, well apart from now being a huge walking jigsaw puzzle, the same!  Might have said this before but walking into the throne room on the krogan homeworld and having Wrex respond to the main character as he did, really made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside and that's how I expected a sequel to Dragon Age Origins to be like with the warden.

Brockololly wrote...
DA2 seems to be taking the more "streamlining" approach rather than the BG2 approach to sequels....

From what I can gather so far (and its not been much), it sounds more like they're turning it into an action game, filled with fast action scenes and the occasional talk here and there. Which would be a shame, but we still have very little info regarding DA2 to know for sure.

TheLion36 wrote...
IF Morrigan ditches us again and is going to go through the mirror to seek out power to combat Flemeth, it perfectly sets things up for her return in DA3 as a totally different version of Morrigan. Instead of the Morrigan we all know and love, they can just pull a Gandalf on us and the Morrigan that steps out of the mirror 10+ years post Origins will just be Morrigan the White or something, acting all Godlike and stuff probably.  Meh- if WH ends that way it gives them a license to reboot Morrigan as most people will have forgotten who the hell she is by the time DA3 comes out, especially if she isn't even in DA2.

Agreed, like I said before if the warden won't be in DA3, then why not just let him go through the mirror with her and have him die on her quest. They can mention this in DA3, or not and leave it to our own imagination what happened to him.
We'll see I guess, but somehow it tastes like they're just milking now...

[Brockololly]

I'll try to get some straight talk out of Gaider in the livestream today. Who am I kidding, that won't bloody happen.

Then again we know Gaider doesn't like his stories being spoiled, so maybe if we all highlight how crappy Gamespot spoiled the DLC...

Modifié par Brockololly, 05 septembre 2010 - 04:07 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

I'll reserve my judgement to when I play it. But if there is indeed only one forced ending (despite marketing implying otherwise) and that we have no answers (again, not what we were told), then I'll have to reward Bioware for its marketing and how it misleads more than even modern standards.

[Nighwolfa]

Hmm, I won't Buy my Bioware Points just now then, Untill people confirm its worth it

[soundchaser721]

This whole cryptic morrigan thing is really starting to get old. The DR scene was as cryptic as it gets and now, according to gamespot we again get no answers and only more questions posed. When are we ever going to get some honest-to-God answers from morrigan. IMO it just seems like lazy writing and not wanting to provide answers. Rather than give the warden an honest answer it just seems like a **** you and die and stretching this story arc out WAY longer than it should be.

[Brockololly]

adneate wrote...
Personally I don't think so, on the other hand soon the hope train will be dead so that's something to not look forward to! The Warden gone and Morrigan gone and no real ending ever to be had, why what could be better than that.

soundchaser721 wrote...

... So morrigan just disappears  into the mirror and you can't follow her? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. What happens to the warden after that? Does he just sorta  slink of into the distance never to be heard again while his long-lost  love who he found again disappeared into a mirror and he chooses not to  follow her?(although we probably don't have a choice). It would make  much more sense if the warden follows her into the mirror; it would  justify him not being in DA2 rather than "there wasn't another blight  so... hes not needed". I really hope gamespot is wrong on this because  if its true than i just lost all hope in the DA franchise.

The whole issue of whether they explain why the Warden can nor cannot follow her is a make or break issue. If its just Plot Hammered in there or given some lame brain excuse or not even mentioned, thats a deal breaker. Now maybe Morrigan reaffirms their love and tells the Warden that she needs to do whatever it is alone and that in the meantime she needs the Warden to do something else for her? Like maybe raise the Old God Baby and wait for her return? I doubt that'll happen as BioWare seems intent on forcing a dour, bleak and tragic romance on Morrigan no matter the cost.

KendallX23 wrote...
for a full comment i would have to play the game first

Thats entirely true and fair. Its just I've been disappointed with so much else from DA and BioWare post release for Origins, that pessimism or not, the Gamespot preview sounded like more of the same disappointment. But we'll all know for sure once we can play it Tuesday I guess..

Modifié par Brockololly, 05 septembre 2010 - 04:16 .

[Master Shiori]

I really don't know what to think anymore.



I'm hoping against hope that there's more to it then what was written in that review, but somehow I doubt it. May Bioware prove me wrong, but right now I'm not sure how to feel about this. Is this supposed to be some sort of punishment for daring to romance Morrigan in the first place? Did we sign some agreement that allows Bioware to repeatedly kick us in the balls, while selling us hope?



I get that Morrigan will be important in future DA games and that you can't have her living off happily with the Warden and raising kids, but there's got to be a way to make her available for future use and satisfy the expectations of those who romanced her at the same time.



Right now I'm waiting with dread for what Tuesday will bring and hoping my worst fears prove to be groundless.



If nothing else, Lair of the Shadow Broker is coming out on the same day and at least there I can expect a happy reunion with Liara without being kicked in the balls.

[hurricaneez1]

Master Shiori wrote...

I really don't know what to think anymore.

I'm hoping against hope that there's more to it then what was written in that review, but somehow I doubt it. May Bioware prove me wrong, but right now I'm not sure how to feel about this. Is this supposed to be some sort of punishment for daring to romance Morrigan in the first place? Did we sign some agreement that allows Bioware to repeatedly kick us in the balls, while selling us hope?

I get that Morrigan will be important in future DA games and that you can't have her living off happily with the Warden and raising kids, but there's got to be a way to make her available for future use and satisfy the expectations of those who romanced her at the same time.

Right now I'm waiting with dread for what Tuesday will bring and hoping my worst fears prove to be groundless.

If nothing else, Lair of the Shadow Broker is coming out on the same day and at least there I can expect a happy reunion with Liara without being kicked in the balls.

I understand why we cant have a "happily ever after" type ending but there is no reason we cant have some sort of real closure. Hell since we know we wont be seeing our Warden again after this why not have him die saving Morrigan or something similar? A nice tragic ending with Morrigan saying an emotional goodbye to her love would be great.

Modifié par hurricaneez1, 05 septembre 2010 - 05:18 .

[Master Shiori]

hurricaneez1 wrote...

I understand why we cant have a "happily ever after" type ending but there is no reason we cant have some sort of real closure. Hell since we know we wont be seeing our Warden again after this why not have him die saving Morrigan or something similar? A nice tragic ending with Morrigan saying an emotional goodbye to her love would be great.

Wasn't that what we had at the end of Origins?

[Brockololly]

If the preview sums up the ending with Morrigan just ditching us yet again, I absolutely fail to see how thats closure. Unless BioWare is thinking that if they explain why it needs to be that way we'll be happy? I'm not saying they need to engage in Tali level fan service, but to get our hopes up that we'd get some meaningful answers to the questions raised in the DR and to possibly get a happy ending that would leave us with a "smile on our face" like Laidlaw mentioned in the podcast, only to regurgitate the DR ending? Thats complete rubbish, especially when we're moving on to a new PC in DA2 and have no clue if we'll ever play as the Warden again.



Hopefully, come Tuesday we can all laugh and smile, realizing how wrong the Gamespot preview was, but my expectations of that happening are slim, sadly.

[hurricaneez1]

Master Shiori wrote...

hurricaneez1 wrote...

I understand why we cant have a "happily ever after" type ending but there is no reason we cant have some sort of real closure. Hell since we know we wont be seeing our Warden again after this why not have him die saving Morrigan or something similar? A nice tragic ending with Morrigan saying an emotional goodbye to her love would be great.

Wasn't that what we had at the end of Origins?

Well there was a goodbye but no real ending.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Master Shiori wrote...

hurricaneez1 wrote...

I understand why we cant have a "happily ever after" type ending but there is no reason we cant have some sort of real closure. Hell since we know we wont be seeing our Warden again after this why not have him die saving Morrigan or something similar? A nice tragic ending with Morrigan saying an emotional goodbye to her love would be great.

Wasn't that what we had at the end of Origins?

I wouldn't have minded that, if we get some answers and some form of closure in the DLC, which might not be the case according to the preview.  

Perhaps they are reserving the Warden / Morrigan storyline for DA3? It's almost confirmed that Morrigan won't be in DA2.

[Brockololly]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I wouldn't have minded that, if we get some answers and some form of closure in the DLC, which might not be the case according to the preview.  

Perhaps they are reserving the Warden / Morrigan storyline for DA3? It's almost confirmed that Morrigan won't be in DA2.

If we had some reassurance of Morrigan and the Warden returning in DA3, I'd be ok with a cliffhanger of sorts. And I'm sure we'll see Morrigan again. But I have severe doubts we'll see the Warden again and thats what bother me with this DLC if its as much of a tease as the Dark Ritual ending.

Its one thing to throw in a cliffhanger knowing that it will be picked up in a reasonable timeframe, but with DA , its not like ME where we know they'll resolve Shepard's story in ME3. We have no idea if we'll ever see the Warden again and so any cliffhanger or unresolved plot  in Witch Hunt just becomes frustrating rather than intriguing.

[soundchaser721]

Brockololly wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I wouldn't have minded that, if we get some answers and some form of closure in the DLC, which might not be the case according to the preview.  

Perhaps they are reserving the Warden / Morrigan storyline for DA3? It's almost confirmed that Morrigan won't be in DA2.

If we had some reassurance of Morrigan and the Warden returning in DA3, I'd be ok with a cliffhanger of sorts. And I'm sure we'll see Morrigan again. But I have severe doubts we'll see the Warden again and thats what bother me with this DLC if its as much of a tease as the Dark Ritual ending.

Its one thing to throw in a cliffhanger knowing that it will be picked up in a reasonable timeframe, but with DA , its not like ME where we know they'll resolve Shepard's story in ME3. We have no idea if we'll ever see the Warden again and so any cliffhanger or unresolved plot  in Witch Hunt just becomes frustrating rather than intriguing.

Thats the whole thing. Even if witch hunt does end in a cliffhanger suggesting the warden's involvement in DA3 thats still years off and I doubt bioware is sure who the protagonist is going to be in DA3. I just hope it doesn't end with morrigan walking into the mirror and the warden just walking away going to do whatever. I mean at least have the guy look after his kid while morrigans gone.. All we can do now is just sit and speculate. I just really hope this isn't a blatant **** you

[Nerevar-as]

Brockololly wrote...

If we had some reassurance of Morrigan and the Warden returning in DA3, I'd be ok with a cliffhanger of sorts. And I'm sure we'll see Morrigan again. But I have severe doubts we'll see the Warden again and thats what bother me with this DLC if its as much of a tease as the Dark Ritual ending.

Its one thing to throw in a cliffhanger knowing that it will be picked up in a reasonable timeframe, but with DA , its not like ME where we know they'll resolve Shepard's story in ME3. We have no idea if we'll ever see the Warden again and so any cliffhanger or unresolved plot  in Witch Hunt just becomes frustrating rather than intriguing.

Starcrossed cliffhanger endings aren´t really satisfying until they are resolved in a succesful way. I loved the ending to PoP: Sands of Time becuase I already knew about The Two Thrones.
But we alrady had that ending in Origins. Morrigan left quite clear she loved the Warden but couldn´t be with him (I´d like a reason why he can´t follow her though. She needs as much help as possible with Flemeth after all). Now according to that review we get the same again. If the new info is that she is getting ready for Flemeth then I´d guessed that before the end of the game. If that is all is just a case of the Gamers are Morons trope in action.

And who does she trust enough to leave OGB behind? A Fade Spirit?

[Swoo]

Nighwolfa wrote...

Hmm, I won't Buy my Bioware Points just now then, Untill people confirm its worth it

That's basically my take. I really want this to be good, and to buy it and love it, but after reading that crap I'm going to sit on my hands the first day and see what people say about it.

[Brockololly]

Nerevar-as wrote...

But we alrady had that ending in Origins. Morrigan left quite clear she loved the Warden but couldn´t be with him (I´d like a reason why he can´t follow her though. She needs as much help as possible with Flemeth after all). Now according to that review we get the same again. If the new info is that she is getting ready for Flemeth then I´d guessed that before the end of the game. If that is all is just a case of the Gamers are Morons trope in action.

Right- I mean is it really much of a secret that Morrigan wants more power to increase her odds of survival to protect herself from Flemeth? Thats not much of a secret- unless you skipped all the dialogue in Origins.

Nerevar-as wrote...
And who does she trust enough to leave OGB behind? A Fade Spirit?

If the explanation for the OGB is as basic as it seemed in the preview thats incredibly stupid. So, Morrigan goes through all this trouble to get this OGB then on a whim decides to ditch the infant somewhere while she goes out treasure hunting for ancient Tevinter relics? Did she get a baby sitter? What? Thats just another question they're raising instead of answering them.

It just reminds me of crap like LOST where they pile on question after question only to resolve some down the road, long after you've forgotten about the question itself or at which point the answer to the question was obvious. And then they just forget and neglect answering other questions with no apparent rhyme or reason.

[Nerevar-as]

Stopped watching Lost in 3rd season. With what I´ve heard of the ending it now seems it was a good choice.

[Master Shiori]

Since the Gamespot article really rilled me up I dropped a line to MIke Laidlaw to express all our concerns with it:

Master Shiori wrote...



Mike.



I really liked the interview you gave to Victor Watcher about how Morrigan fans are going to be happy with what Witch Hunt has in store for them, but after reading the preview at Gamespot I have a feeling we're in for Dark Ritual 2.0.



I have faith that you and other folks at Bioware won't give us that same treatment once again, but from what was written it sounds more like we'll be walking away with a mother of all frustrations rather then a big smile...



Right now me and other Morrigan fans who romanced her are fervently praying that the article is wrong.



Shiori

Here's what Mike had to say on the subject:

Mike Laidlaw said...



Thankfully, we don't ever show all the possible endings to the press, so worry not.



I would have thought Gamespot would be professional enough to not lay out three paragraphs of spoiler, but apparently I was incorrect. As an ex-journalist myself, I am not pleased.

Not sure about you gys and gals, but it puts my mind at ease to know that maybe things won't be so doom and gloom.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Let's hope that he is correct.