blademaster7 wrote...
Oh... man... come on... I posted that pic 4 hours ago.
It's from a save after the final battle. I'm glad someone saw the irony.
I should find more and post them.
blademaster7 wrote...
Check the party_ran_banter
Add another one to the list... Sten/Morrigan
I'm pretty sure that last one is missing from the game. Or maybe I didn't use Sten much in that playthrough
Master Shiori wrote...
How Awakening handled the Ultimate Sacrifice should come as a spark of hope for all of us dark ritual fans. They have effectively shown us that as far as they're concerned UC only happened in players own minds....
Terra_Ex wrote...
The comment is in a script file called "cam900ar_endgame" and its the only logical conclusion to draw since this script runs at the very end of the game. Its the same script that greys out all the world map locations and puts the game into "post-game" mode.
Modifié par Brockololly, 16 avril 2010 - 10:13 .
Terra_Ex wrote...
Brockololly wrote...
Terra_Ex wrote...
Well, an interesting observation I made earlier today while looking through some game files - the script files that control the epilogue save all the dark ritual related choices to a specific plot file, with a scripting comment from a coder which says something along the lines of "so they can be used/imported later" so I'd say thats a positive sign that this plot thread will continue. The question remains however, what form this continuation will take and whether our warden will be a part of it. Of course this doesn't change the fact that Awakening imports the wrong romance flags... I'm still surprised nobody noticed any of this stuff in Morrigan's files till now.
Very interesting- I've just started messing around in the toolset, where did you find that comment in there? And is it pretty well settled that the problem with Awakening's messed up Morrigan epilogue is with Awakening and not Origins?
From the looks of things and reports of people's experiences, it looks like Awakening is checking the wrong flag when it imports the data for the Morrigan romance, but since we can't view the Awakening files atm I can't say for sure. The comment is in a script file called "cam900ar_endgame" and its the only logical conclusion to draw since this script runs at the very end of the game. Its the same script that greys out all the world map locations and puts the game into "post-game" mode.I'm perfectly fine with moving onto a non-warden character in a future game, provided all plot threads he's entangled in are resolved. Some people touted the idea of playing as Morrigan's child, which personally for me would not appeal at all - eclipsed only by replacing the warden with a new hero - its just too soon, imo.Brockololly wrote...
I really hope that we can deal with Morrigan's story with the Warden like with a ME1 to ME2 style import as that would be fantastic. I'm a bit skeptical we'll get something like that though- I mean look at how Awakening handled the impact of the Ultimate Sacrifcing Warden: "Oh, story be damned- lets hand wave away any consequences from the first game!"
Just reading most of the developer posts, it seems that they don't want to stay with the Wardens forever and want to move around Thedas in future games, both geographically and chronologically. My conecern would be that in DA2 or something they just fast forward 20 years so we get a older Old God Baby and maybe limit Morrigan to a Flemeth type role or Bioware would just have Morrigan's story "continue" on only with some new Hero who comes across Morrigan or the Old god Baby.... I won't get too upset about that sort of thing yet but if they announce that DA2 takes place 30 years in the future in the Tevinter Imperium or is just totally divorced from the Warden and Origins, yeah then I'll be upset.Barbarossa2010 wrote...
Terra_Ex wrote...
Barbarossa2010
wrote...
Better yet:
PC: Morrigan, It's you...I can't believe I found you...and in the name of the Maker, is that our child?
Morrigan: What comes my friend?
The end.
Don't tempt fate
Not that thread regulars would want to break up with her (quite the opposite in fact), but the Morrigan break up lines have now been restored and are all fully functional in-game. Again, there's some nice dialog in here, pity you can't get to it in the vanilla game.
That's it...rub it in...now where's that cat?
Okay, now I AM getting another PC!../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png
lol, sorry I couldn't resist. Morinth will make it all better though, she can take all that pain away:unsure: Have you reached any of the romances in ME2 yet?
: While I think they need their heads examined in their story romances *cough...Dragon Age...cough*cough*, Bioware has proven to me that they can at least field a worthy shooter.
Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 16 avril 2010 - 11:10 .
Barbarossa2010 wrote...
Yeah LOL, Morinth (HA) will make it all better!
Haven't gotten to any romances yet. I am really taking my time, but I am already laying plans for my romance option and will notify when successful.
I am having alot fun with ME2. It was a pleasant surprise after my WTF? outrage at the end of DA:O. I am truly beginning to like the RPG genre, but not becasue of DA. ME2 is a first class shooter that reminds me of a hybrid between Gears of War, Army of Two and Quake 4, but with some fairly serious role playing elements. Pretty much all I could ask for. Love the fixed cover system and fast pace of battle. They're ready to go mulit-player based on something like Pinnacle station at this point.
And time for a Bioware compliment
I'll report back in on my progress in bagging Morinth...
Barbarossa2010 wrote...
And time for a Bioware
compliment../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png: While I think they need their heads examined in their story romances *cough...Dragon Age...cough*cough*, Bioware has proven to me that they can at least field a worthy shooter.
I'll report back in on my progress in bagging Morinth...../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png
Please let it be used in the true sequel.Brockololly wrote...
Terra_Ex wrote...
The comment is in a script file called "cam900ar_endgame" and its the only logical conclusion to draw since this script runs at the very end of the game. Its the same script that greys out all the world map locations and puts the game into "post-game" mode.
Just took a look at that file in the toolset- very interesting... For those that don't have the toolset here is what it says:
"// All of these flags' original values are stored in "prcpt_postgame" for checking later" Then it basically lists all of the flags for Morrigan's ritual and who did it or who knows about it. What makes this promising is the whole "prc" aspect- prc of course meaning post release content, so that either could mean they have DLC, ex-packs or the sequel will make use of this in some way...
Brockololly wrote...
Taking a look around the toolset, some of the notes are amusing- "Morrigan's romance plot is active and Leliana's romance plot is active. i.e. the player is a 'player', high five!"
Have to agree, BG2 and Arcanum were the last truly decent old style roleplayers. Then BW went in the NWN direction, which as I've previously stated was a step in the wrong direction. I also think BW can expect a major backlash if DA2 isn't at least as long as DA:O.Brockololly wrote...
And as much as I love ME2, I feel like
DAO is kind of a dying breed of RPG. (Incoming Pessimism!) - I'd be willing to bet that DA2 is no where near as long as DAOand might even be "streamlined" or "dumbed down" in some way. To me, part of why DAO was a breath of fresh air was because you don't see 70+ hour single player RPGs anymore, outside of sandbox RPGs like Oblivion or Fallout3.
Like always, I hope Bioware can prove me wrong but it will be telling how Bioware goes about things from here on out. I'm not anti-EA like some people but business is business and I'm sure EA wants Bioware pumping out products on a regular basis. It seemed like way back Bioware was like Valve or Blizzard in that they had a "its done when its done"
kind of approach to games. Now they're announcing a specific release date for a game (2/1/2011) almost a year in advance? Its a moot point if they can keep the quality of the games up, but if Awakening is anything
to judge, that was definitely rushed out and it shows- its just not the same quality as something like Origins. Time will tell- I guess we should just be glad Bioware isn't owned by Activision!
Modifié par Terra_Ex, 17 avril 2010 - 12:57 .
Terra_Ex wrote...
Have to agree, BG2 and Arcanum were the last truly decent old style roleplayers. Then BW went in the NWN direction, which as I've previously stated was a step in the wrong direction. I also think BW can expect a major backlash if DA2 isn't at least as long as DA:O.
It's the party interaction that really does it though, we've not had banter of this quality and rich depth of character since... well BG2. Suffice to say, its been a long time - hence why people get all up in arms when there are dozens of little unaddressed issues which eat into an otherwise fantastic product.
I can understand why players get annoyed though, especially with the Dark Ritual saga, epilogue bugs, errors throughout the dialog & script files locking you out of key scenes that really shape the characters you're interacting with. I'm sure Barbarossa and others could have walked away with a more positive experience with a bit more time was spent rounding off certain elements of the game. Ultimately though, what riles me the most is I know with the Mass Effect franchise that I'll be continuing toward a final climax (while the story, dialog and character interaction pale in comparison to DA) wheras here I worry that potentially fantastic plot threads may get squandered on DLC or underfunded expansion to suit EA's business model - which as you've stated will dumb down and ultimately kill the experience.
Dammit, now the thread's full of negativity again!
Terra_Ex wrote...
Barbarossa2010 wrote...
And time for a Bioware
compliment../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png: While I think they need their heads examined in their story romances *cough...Dragon Age...cough*cough*, Bioware has proven to me that they can at least field a worthy shooter.
I'll report back in on my progress in bagging Morinth...../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png
Putting aside the Dark Ritual element, did you enjoy the rest of the character development that led up to the end of
the game though? You've made some impassioned posts on the subject, so I'm guessing its that one element that's the "bitter taste" at the end of the game.
Barbarossa2010 wrote...
It wasn't until I joined the social site, that I realized I wasn't alone. Veteran and newb alike seemed pretty pissed about this part of the game. In truth, I should be telling you that this was the single best and most absorbing game I've ever played. As it is, it's currently only the most absorbing game I've ever played. So yeah, the DR was truly the only thing that left the bitter taste. But it was very bitter, and I still say BW made a mistake with it. Hooking players through subtlety is a much more effective tool than kicking them in the balls.
Modifié par Brockololly, 17 avril 2010 - 05:17 .
My feelngs exactly.Brockololly wrote...
I'm all for great gameplay, but I often end up plowing through the combat to get to the story elements as a reward. I never ended up playing Neverwinter NIghts because I always read about how the single player was only ok but that it was mainly designed with the multiplayer modules in mind- thats fine, but if Bioware/EA decides to just churn out one shot stories in the DA universe, that will get old pretty quickly. I'm sure they can make some really awesome DA games separate from the Warden, Morrigan and Origins but IMO they've left an awful lot of potential story yet to be told with the Warden and Origins crew- it would be a shame for Bioware to just ditch that for something new for the sake of being new.
The situation is as Barbarossa has described it, it certainly is a bizarre conundrum to force upon the player at that point in the game. That said, I don't hate the DR myself. When the situation first presented itself on my first playthrough, I was thinking "Yes, my hard work getting closer to Morrigan is gonna pay off, I don't have to die" - but no, then the rest of the conversation unfolds, add to that the fact that this same offer is given to all players and the scene works against everything a male warden has worked to acheive through the game. That said, she has confessed her feelings to you, (though we'd be a lot happier if that had been reflected more strongly in the DR scene itself) and it is a probable hook into the next game.Brockololly wrote...
Barbarossa2010 wrote...
It wasn't until I joined the social site, that I realized I wasn't alone. Veteran and newb alike seemed pretty pissed about this part of the game. In truth, I should be telling you that this was the single best and most absorbing game I've ever played. As it is, it's currently only the most absorbing game I've ever played. So yeah, the DR was truly the only thing that left the bitter taste. But it was very bitter, and I still say BW made a mistake with it. Hooking players through subtlety is a much more effective tool than kicking them in the balls.
Yeah, I was expecting some sort of "dark" twist with Morrigan throughout the game- the way she kept saying it wouldn't end well between the Warden and her made me think on my 1st playthrough that she would die or something dramatic like that. But sure, how the actual Dark Ritual scene is handled I think we all can agree is a bit weak and seemingly out of character especially if you're romancing Morrigan.
Brockololly wrote...
i guess from my perspective, I'm giving Bioware a bit more slack- the whole ritual and Morrigan's story is the one huge plot thread they seemingly intentionally left at the end of Origins. So I have faith that it will be pickjed up in a future DA game. But as of now since Morrigan's story is incomplete, well then my Warden's story feels similarly incomplete despite being the hero of Ferelden and beating the Blight and all. How I perceive Origins will depend alot on how Morrigan and my Warden's story is handled in future games- if we can continue Morrigan's romance with the Warden and its handled well, then all of my ****ing will be forgotten. Yet if they neglect it or mess it up, well I'll be the first to lead an Exalted March up to Edmonton!
Brockololly wrote...
To try and inject some optimism into the thread here is an interview with Fernando Melo where they mention Morrigan: http://bitmob.com/ar...ening-interview
"Bitmob: Will we see more Morrigan?
FM: We made it very clear that Morrigan played a very important role in Origins, so it's safe to say at some point, we haven't seen the last of Morrigan. Whether that's in Awakening or not, we'll have to see."
Modifié par Terra_Ex, 17 avril 2010 - 01:38 .
Modifié par Master Shiori, 17 avril 2010 - 02:40 .
Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 17 avril 2010 - 04:22 .
Barbarossa2010 wrote...
Oh, and that cute redheaded Yeoman that Cerberus sent to "assist" me, well, she sort of gives me the creeps with her "I want to feel the skin of Quarians" thing...psycho.
Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 17 avril 2010 - 09:22 .
Master Shiori wrote...
I'd take Morrigan dancing and juggling flaming knives anyday.
Anyway, back on topic about Morri.
Found something interesting about Morrigan's dialogue while playing my CE male warrior today.
After doing her personal quest and giving her the real grimoire she gave my Warden a speech about how she never had a male friend before. During the conversation she said something along these lines: "Tell me, can there ever be anything more between us? Have you considered it?".
If you say yes, she will ask "What about now? We could be together, you and I, if you wished it.."
This appears to trigger the the romance and the sex scene with Morrigan, as long as your character isn't already romancing Leliana or Zevran, in which case Morrigan will pull a sad face and say something like: "But there is already someone else. I understand..."
This would appear to be a friendship -> love development, which I found to be a lot nicer then the "Tis cold in my tent" line. You do however miss some of her "let's talk about us" dialogue if you choose to romance her this way.
Yep, it always annoys me when idiots on various forums are spouting: "lolz I banged teh Morrigan in Lothering" - total morons. I personally think BW should have prevented back to back conversations - maybe added some delay timers between different conversations to help break things up a bit. Personally myself I deliberately only talk to one/two characters per visit to the camp and it helps keep the character development spread evenly across the course of the game.Barbarossa2010 wrote...
Yes, actually the slower you go with Morrigan the better the dialogue options. If you rush to bed her, you will get the "tis cold in my tent" speech pretty quick and lose the best dialogue.
In her "could there ever be anything more between us" confession where she tells you she was intrigued with you while watching you in the Korcari Wilds in animal form; well, that was just one of her better moments imo. ("I could tell you were far more formidable than the men who were travelling with you...") Pretty good stuff.
Modifié par Terra_Ex, 17 avril 2010 - 09:42 .
blademaster7 wrote...
Ah... yes. I know about that. She actually spills her guts out by telling you that she always had a secret crush on you.
If you tell her you just want to be friends she gets in really awkward position. Not something you would expect from Morrigan.
People who think that you need to push her to reveal her feelings need to play more...
Quoted for emphasis.Terra_Ex wrote...
Yep, it always annoys with idiots on various forums : "lolz I banged teh Morrigan in Lothering" - total morons.
Modifié par blademaster7, 17 avril 2010 - 09:43 .
Terra_Ex wrote..
Yep, it always annoys me when idiots on various forums are spouting: "lolz I banged teh Morrigan in Lothering" - total morons. I personally think BW should have prevented back to back conversations - maybe added some delay timers between different conversations to help break things up a bit. Personally myself I deliberately only talk to one/two characters per visit to the camp and it helps keep the character development spread evenly across the course of the game.
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