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THE Morrigan Discussion and Research Thread *Infested with Bugs Yet Again!*


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#9301
Ulathar

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Has there been any comment on this issue by BioWare yet?

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Well I guess ill just state the state of the save that I imported and had no bugs in case it helps figure stuff out.



The save i imported was unmodded except for some armor mods on some of my party members that should have absolutely 0 effect anyways. Human noble rogue, did dr, got ring epilogue. Imported a save from the beginning of awakening, lvl 27 iirc. Choose all the most positive choices in the dlc, i.e. want to find morrigan, i love her etc.



Its going to be interesting when i try some of my other chars that did not romance morri but did the dr anyways. Sadly i wont be able to untill sunday, ill update then if it helps i guess.

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Master Shiori

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The first time I played WH it was with my Cousland who romanced her and did the DR.No gugs encountered, expect the bloody lines not showing when travelling to Cadash Thaig or Dragonbone Wastes, but that a minor concern.



I had Terra's Morrigan restoration patch but never talked to Morri after her farewell speech in Denerim, so that may have played a part in me not getting any bugy in WH.



Only other mods are the ones for weapons and armor.

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I'm interested in her reaction towards my HN as I romanced her....but married Anora in the end. I'll get to that tonight I guess.

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blademaster7 wrote...

In my playthrough the romance was acknowledged but I got a bug where my character refused the DR when he didn't. She has a non-OGB child with my Warden and it's a son... :/

Is this what everyone gets?

I'm rushing a 2nd playthrough to see the DR dialogue now


I don't know that there is any rhyme or reason to it.

I did 3 runs with 3 different Wardens:

My first was a Cousland imported from Origins' post-epilogue save where I spoke with her to get the ring epilogue and used Terra's Mod- she thought I denied the DR

Second was  COusland who I imported from the end of Awakening and also used Terra's mod- she thought I denied the DR.

Third was my Amell who I imported from Origins , spoke with Morrigan at the end and used Terra's mod- this one worked like it should have.

But you're right- you can tell in the first line of dialogue with Dog if your playthrough will be bugged. If its bugged you won't be able to reference the OGB, while if its not bugged you should be bale to reference wanting to see the OGB to Dog.

We can't look at this in the toolset though can we?

Modifié par Brockololly, 08 septembre 2010 - 11:11 .


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Systemlord Baal wrote...

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When Morrigan and Dog greeted eachother like this I was like
" :o:O:lol::wub: DAAAWWWWW That is so adorable!" and then I got the proverbial DR bug slap-in-the-face...

speaking of which, I kept getting booted out of the DA servers while playing WH with my female elf mage, so I couldn't complete it and test to see whether the glitch makes non-DR wardens get a DR response. I'll probably finish tomorrow, though and post my findings.

I'll pray to any deity that blesses me with a fix to this bug... seriously...

Morrigan is my favorite love interest in Dragon Age, and probably one of my favorite love interests of all time gaming. I've only romanced her with one warden, but that is because that warden is most like me, and I chose who I would have really chosen. My other wardens are just "characters" and not really much more, so I did other romances as befit those characters. But its my City Elf, who I based on myself, could only choose one incredible witch, and that is, of course, Morrigan :D

I'm sure you all have heard similar paragraphs and this is nothing new, but I wanted to make a personal statement on why I honestly hope this bug gets fixed, even if a fix has to come late... as long as it gets fixed, period.

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Well I've only played it once so far, but I plan on playing it with my HMN and my Dalish Elf to see the different lines of dialog. I'm still at work, though..... :P

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One theory I may try is importing a non post epilogue save. So a saved game when you're still in the throne room maybe and not the post epilogue save back at camp...

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Is there any recognition of being King-Consort btw?

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Brockololly wrote...

We can't look at this in the toolset though can we?

No we can't... unless they update it somehow.


I'm amazed at how many variations there are. Even if you refused the DR she can still be persuaded to let you go with her... and there is 2-3 lines through out the game that reference the non-god child and the ring :o

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well i reckon its not meant to end at the point it ends and is a bug.

in both cases just before the credits roll eother way you see the party

in the arena after picking up the dalish book and special li gift morrigan leaves.

or if you go with her both of you are the other side



i really think the dlc is bugged and the game really should continue

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Systemlord Baal wrote...

Is there any recognition of being King-Consort btw?

I should try that...

I got the weirdest save in the world when I was testing Terra's mod. A human noble that married Anora, kept Leliana as his mistress(in love) and previously had a romance with Morrigan(still in love). I did get the ring .ppt slide even though the romance ended way before the final battle. No exploits.

:lol:

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lol, that should be an interesting WH experience then blademaster :P

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Here's how to check what flag gets imported. If you are planning on importing a Warden that romanced her and did the DR then do a bit of testing before you waste 2 hours of your time.

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This is the first conversation with your dog. If #3 is available then it means you did the DR and you got a proper game. If not then either you refused it or you got a buggy save.

And here's the next conversation(the one with Ariane).

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Again, #2 acknowledges the DR. #3 is the romance.

It takes 2 minutes to check.

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That is actually a good point bm. That should also help in determining where the problem might lie....although that shouldn't be our job :P

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Thanks, that's useful to know.

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blademaster7 wrote...

Here's how to check what flag gets imported. If you are planning on importing a Warden that romanced her and did the DR then do a bit of testing before you waste 2 hours of your time.

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This is the first conversation with your dog. If #3 is available then it means you did the DR and you got a proper game. If not then either you refused it or you got a buggy save.

And here's the next conversation(the one with Ariane).

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Again, #2 acknowledges the DR. #3 is the romance.

It takes 2 minutes to check.


Strange, I got the one with Ariane, but not the one with Dog.

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Hmm.. Maybe the one with Ariane acknowledges both the OGB and the regular one. Just check the conversation with dog and you'll know if you got a correct save.

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I got "you didn't do DR bug!"...I got so pissed that I was tempted to stab her and push her in the mirror because of that terrible bug xD..Ofc I didn't ;)...Anyway how could this happen? I had the best and puriest import ever with my main mage without any "fix" mods. Didn't have any problems with other dlcs and awakening at acknowledging my choices untill this damn dlc...now I really hope to see my Warden in DA3...this seems sooo...unfinished? :S... Anyway dlc was ok...just that damn bug ruined everything...argh...

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I got mention of the OGB and loving her sooo...

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phaonica wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

I don't know off the top of my head what it was exactly, but basically when you first chat with Dog as to why you're searching for Morrigan, with my Amell who got the proper DR/romanced Morrigan there as a line you could say to DOg about wanting to search for Morrigan so you could find your child. I'm pretty sure in my other 2 Cousland playthroughs, that line isn't there at the beginning and both of them got the wrong Morrigan, so to speak.


Ah, gotcha. That wouldn't be dialog I would expect to get on a fem character. That might be a quick and easy way to determine if you have a bugged game early on.


sorry, to say, but it does not. I got that dialogue at the hut, and my game was still bugged. It seemed to refer to her normal child as well she conceives if you sleep with her but refuse the ritual. So male Wardens can have two different kind of babies, god soul or without, and that dialoge can refer to both of them. So hint there of any bug.

My best guess is that this bug has to do something with a dead Warden re-appearing in Awakening. Her line "you refused my offer but you still live" seems to refer to that broken part of the Lore where dead heroes can continue playing without explanation. Maybe this "alive but refusing the ritual" broke something that prevents the DR to be proper recognized.

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Brockololly wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
You can do that?!  Man, certain Wardens I hear about make me wish Loghain had won.  Except for the Blight and all.


Its a really well done and very very sad scene-


ouch. How could anyone in his right mind to this. She might not always been that nice to you and other people, and yes, she lied to you. But this is just cruel beyond words. She never did anything to deserve this, and each Warden who did this deserved to be burned alive :devil:

Her looks or shock, pain and betrayal *shudders* Never ever watch this again, let alone play this in my DA universe

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Yeah, that scene is just so...brutal. :crying:

Did anyone else think it was a tad bit out of character though? For someone who purportedly puts survival above all else I found it a bit odd. Morrigan asks for your permission to leave? And then basically just stands there and waits
for you to stab her in the gut instead of just...you know...taking one step backwards...?

The one good thing to come out of this DLC for me at least though is proof that Morrigan is not evil. My wardens generally trusted her and considered her a good friend, but there were always lingering doubts. So what finally convinced me for certain? Dog. That mabari is like a metal detector...but for evil. If she were truly bad he totally would have greeted her with a growl the same way he did for Zathrian, Dryden, and everyone else who tried to deceive the Warden. Then again, maybe it's just because of all those herbs she fed him...but nah...she's good.

I'm still not convinced the dark ritual is a good idea given the little bit that Morrigan had to say regarding Flemeth (how wrong she was, etc.), but overall I'm much more sympathetic to her character.

Modifié par wickedgoodreed, 08 septembre 2010 - 12:57 .


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Thanks for that post blademaster, i gotta play around with my saves and see which ones work

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blademaster7 wrote...

Here's how to check what flag gets imported. If you are planning on importing a Warden that romanced her and did the DR then do a bit of testing before you waste 2 hours of your time.

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This is the first conversation with your dog. If #3 is available then it means you did the DR and you got a proper game. If not then either you refused it or you got a buggy save.



Hmm, I actually got a different variant of line #3, can't remember what it was, I'll replay the beginning to see what it is. However I was playing with a female character, so that could be the reason (since it isn't your child in that case).