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[Bruddajakka]

Yeah that's the one I want. I got it more or less since Morrigan still gives birth to a son. Just felt cheated because of the bug. I'll have to play through Awakening/Golems directly out of a Post Campaign save when I get a chance.

[Ulicus]

Oh, sure, it's certainly a good way to explain his disappearance... but, I dunno. I found that ending more creepy than anything else. My Warden's stupid smile made him look bewitched and simple -- I'd have rather he looked at least a little apprehensive.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Ok...so apparently if you romance her and you don't get the bug about the ending then you can follow her through the mirror.

Now that's the ending my DN is going to take. Forever lost for Thedas, raising his child with the woman he loves.

Despite my political instincts and ambitions and the plans I had in mind for Ferelden, going with Morrigan is going to be my choice too.
But this was a touch choice.

[blademaster7]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Ok...so apparently if you romance her and you don't get the bug about the ending then you can follow her through the mirror.

You can follow her even with the bugged ending... lol

She is a bit bitter that you refused her ritual but she tells you about your son(the non-god one) and you get to decide if you want to follow or not.

[Ulicus]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Ok...so apparently if you romance her and you don't get the bug about the ending then you can follow her through the mirror.

Now that's the ending my DN is going to take. Forever lost for Thedas, raising his child with the woman he loves.

Despite my political instincts and ambitions and the plans I had in mind for Ferelden, going with Morrigan is going to be my choice too.
But this was a touch choice.

Well, the Warden disappears anyway, per Awakening... so you might as well disappear with Morrigan.

Though I prefer the idea of my Warden disappearing to hunt down Flemeth....

[Bruddajakka]

blademaster7 wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Ok...so apparently if you romance her and you don't get the bug about the ending then you can follow her through the mirror.

You can follow her even with the bugged ending... lol

She is a bit bitter that you refused her ritual but she tells you about your son(the non-god one) and you get to decide if you want to follow or not.

Yeah she's bitter but she does melt pretty quickly.

[blademaster7]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Ok...so apparently if you romance her and you don't get the bug about the ending then you can follow her through the mirror.

Now that's the ending my DN is going to take. Forever lost for Thedas, raising his child with the woman he loves.

Despite my political instincts and ambitions and the plans I had in mind for Ferelden, going with Morrigan is going to be my choice too.
But this was a touch choice.

Yes, it was a tough choice for me too. Everyone just goes ahead and jumps into the mirror but I'm still considering what to do as my "canon".

I'm not even a prince consort. Just a HN that put Alistair on the throne.

[CalJones]

I've just imported my male Cousland who romanced Morrigan and did he DR (he married Anora, however). The first two conversations acknowledged the child, and there was also the "I loved her" option. So I'm hopeful I'll get the proper DR ending.

Just for the record, he's prince consort and, I think, chancellor. Loghain survived, Alistair was exiled. This is also a post-Awakening import with the Vigil defended and Architect slain.

Interestingly, Vigil was on the map in my last game (where I opted to save Amaranthine) but not on this map. Odd, that.

[KnightofPhoenix]

blademaster7 wrote...
Yes, it was a tough choice for me too. Everyone just goes ahead and jumps into the mirror but I'm still considering what to do as my "canon".

I'm not even a prince consort. Just a HN that put Alistair on the throne.

This is actually the toughest choice in DA for me.
Everything was going as planned, Anora was starting to like Arcturus my canon, the Couslands are more powerful than ever and Ferelden's about to experience a golden age. And then this came. 

My initial instincts wanted Morrigan, no doubt. When I thought it through, I hesitated. But my canon would choose to follow her, consoled by the fact that Ferelden's left in Anora's capable hands and that Fergus can secure the future of the Couslands. Also, if Morrigan is right then Flemeth poses a great threat and she and their child are going to need all the help they can get.

But he does feel a bit of guilt though, fearing that he abandonned Ferelden and Anora.  I like to RP Arcturus telling Anora of the possibility of him not returning before searching for Morrigan. Of course he doesn't know that, but he is the kind of person to plan every contingency and he thought it was possible that he might not return for some reason.  

So really, this is a bittersweet ending for me. Would be worse if Anora suddenly became pregnant.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 08 septembre 2010 - 02:34 .

[Giggles_Manically]

I just watched over my friends shoulder when he killed Morrigan.

Damn.



I thought Isolde killing Conner, watching the Werewolves kill the Dalish, and leaving Shiani was bad.

This takes the cake.



That was pretty cool KoP I didnt tag you as someone who would put love over his duty.

[i love lamp x3]

Ulicus wrote...

Oh, sure, it's certainly a good way to explain his disappearance... but, I dunno. I found that ending more creepy than anything else. My Warden's stupid smile made him look bewitched and simple -- I'd have rather he looked at least a little apprehensive.

my warden was transparent lol

[phaonica]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

blademaster7 wrote...
Yes, it was a tough choice for me too. Everyone just goes ahead and jumps into the mirror but I'm still considering what to do as my "canon".

I'm not even a prince consort. Just a HN that put Alistair on the throne.

This is actually the toughest choice in DA for me.
Everything was going as planned, Anora was starting to like Arcturus my canon, the Couslands are more powerful than ever and Ferelden's about to experience a golden age. And then this came. 

My initial instincts wanted Morrigan, no doubt. When I thought it through, I hesitated. But my canon would choose to follow her, consoled by the fact that Ferelden's left in Anora's capable hands and that Fergus can secure the future of the Couslands. Also, if Morrigan is right then Flemeth poses a great threat and she and their child are going to need all the help they can get.

But he does feel a bit of guilt though, fearing that he abandonned Ferelden and Anora.  I like to RP Arcturus telling Anora of the possibility of him not returning before searching for Morrigan. Of course he doesn't know that, but he is the kind of person to plan every contingency and he thought it was possible that he might not return for some reason.  

So really, this is a bittersweet ending for me. Would be worse if Anora suddenly became pregnant.

Very cool. Sounds like an interesting way to cap out his story.

[Bruddajakka]

I'm rather curious how the Crows stole Vigilance when I had it strapped to my back as I want through the mirror. Tall Tale I guess.

[blademaster7]

The epilogues in both Origins and Awakening talk about events that happen many years later(for example, Connor going to the circle).



But yes, it doesn't make sense if you took it with you in the mirror.

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Addai: What mod are you using for Morrigan's armor to show up like that?

It's a Sacred Ashes Morrigan robe, I got it on BSN but I'm not sure of the link anymore.  I'll try to find it.

[Addai]

blademaster7 wrote...

Here's how to check what flag gets imported. If you are planning on importing a Warden that romanced her and did the DR then do a bit of testing before you waste 2 hours of your time.



This is the first conversation with your dog. If #3 is available then it means you did the DR and you got a proper game. If not then either you refused it or you got a buggy save.

And here's the next conversation(the one with Ariane).



Again, #2 acknowledges the DR. #3 is the romance.

It takes 2 minutes to check.

I'll just say, in case there's any confusion, that on my female Warden who didn't get the bug, there was no dialogue option with Dog about the child.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
That was pretty cool KoP I didnt tag you as someone who would put love over his duty.

It isn't that simple. I have a duty to raise my child and to fight Flemeth who seemingly is a very grave threat, possibly to Ferelden as well. Those 2 things helped me make that decision, and made it seem less selfish (and emotional) to me.

Besides, maybe I can raise my OGB to become king of Ferelden in the future. Ambition was not completely sacrificed.
 
@ Phaonica. Thanks!

[Costin_Razvan]

I'll just say, in case there's any confusion, that on my female Warden who didn't get the bug, there was no dialogue option with Dog about the child.

I think that line would only work for male warden who did the DR himself. Makes sense for a MW to want to find his child.

[Zjarcal]

Bruddajakka wrote...

I'm rather curious how the Crows stole Vigilance when I had it strapped to my back as I want through the mirror. Tall Tale I guess.

They pulled a switcharoo and the Vigilance you have is a fake.

[blademaster7]

Addai67 wrote...


I'll just say, in case there's any confusion, that on my female Warden who didn't get the bug, there was no dialogue option with Dog about the child.

Any mention of Alistair at all? Or nothing?

[Zjarcal]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I'll just say, in case there's any confusion, that on my female Warden who didn't get the bug, there was no dialogue option with Dog about the child.

I think that line would only work for male warden who did the DR himself. Makes sense for a MW to want to find his child.

That does make sense. I didn't get the line either on my female mage who got a bug-free ending. It doesn't make much sense for a female to want to get back the child since it isn't hers. Maybe find out information about the child, but not get it back.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 08 septembre 2010 - 02:58 .

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I'll just say, in case there's any confusion, that on my female Warden who didn't get the bug, there was no dialogue option with Dog about the child.

I think that line would only work for male warden who did the DR himself. Makes sense for a MW to want to find his child.

No, if you had done the DR I think you'd be interested in finding the child regardless, if only to make sure he's not... evil or anything.  Besides the fact that for my female Warden, it's her lover's child.

[Zjarcal]

blademaster7 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...


I'll just say, in case there's any confusion, that on my female Warden who didn't get the bug, there was no dialogue option with Dog about the child.

Any mention of Alistair at all? Or nothing?

None.

[phaonica]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I just watched over my friends shoulder when he killed Morrigan.
Damn.

I thought Isolde killing Conner, watching the Werewolves kill the Dalish, and leaving Shiani was bad.
This takes the cake.

After the DLC, do you still mistrust the DR, Giggles?

[Terra_Ex]

Brockololly wrote...

blademaster7 wrote...

In my playthrough the romance was acknowledged but I got a bug where my character refused the DR when he didn't. She has a non-OGB child with my Warden and it's a son... :/

Is this what everyone gets?

I'm rushing a 2nd playthrough to see the DR dialogue now

I don't know that there is any rhyme or reason to it.

I did 3 runs with 3 different Wardens:

My first was a Cousland imported from Origins' post-epilogue save where I spoke with her to get the ring epilogue and used Terra's Mod- she thought I denied the DR

Second was  COusland who I imported from the end of Awakening and also used Terra's mod- she thought I denied the DR.

Third was my Amell who I imported from Origins , spoke with Morrigan at the end and used Terra's mod- this one worked like it should have.

But you're right- you can tell in the first line of dialogue with Dog if your playthrough will be bugged. If its bugged you won't be able to reference the OGB, while if its not bugged you should be bale to reference wanting to see the OGB to Dog.

We can't look at this in the toolset though can we?

My blasted internet went down shortly after getting WH last night so I missed the goings on, anyway, dunno if any other savvy modders have discovered the problem yet but I'll copy what I noted down last night regardless:

Regarding the bug:
it seems to be caused by the "post-game" in Origins. If you cast your mind back to when we were discussing that "PRC" plot file several months back you remember that the game copied all the ritual flags to a separate plot file before wiping the original, presumably to avoid breaking morrigan's dialogue in the post game.

The choices you make regarding the ritual are stored in clipt_morrigan_ritual.plt (GUID 764C8DAF-F227-4DFE-BC7C-7B32FA2BB0CD) in DA:O. This plot file is wiped if the player loads the post-game save (where they appear at the "On the road" area)  following the coronation scene in DA:O. Its contents are copied to the "PRC" plot file we discussed months ago in the post-game script cam900ar_endgame.nss. The problem is, if the player imports a Origins/Awakening save where this process has occured, Witch Hunt tries to read the ritual plot flags from the now-cleared plotfile. You can see the game trying to access the plot file in the logs.

Thus the game believes you didn't do the ritual even if you did. The only feasible workaround for this is to import an origins save from the coronation room (the "final save" might work too) or an Awakening save where you never entered the "post game" of DA:O. Bioware should sort this out imo.

Short version - if you entered the "post game" in Origins, and imported that save into Awakening/Golems/WH you are bugged.



Now, my thoughts on the DLC:

I'll admit my expectations weren't sky high, but I thoroughly enjoyed Witch Hunt, re-used locations and all. I'll lay out my experiences and final thoughts in a suitably epic post, as is the norm for Morri thread regulars.


Positives:

A lot better than I was anticipating.

Ring references Morri mentions it, there's a scene where a companion mentions it, very nicely interwoven with the plotline. Definitely rewarded serious roleplayers.

Some powerful scenes in front of the mirror, it's clear that the Warden has had a big influence on her, yet she's still a strong, independent character.

Dog's reactions to the Warden's attitude toward Morrigan as the plot progressed were an unexpected surprise - he wasn't too happy if you announce that you intend to kill her. I really liked this interaction and the part where Morri greets the dog.

Pretty nice reunion scene with Morri, provided the correct answers are chosen.

Possibility of a "good" ending.

A few more bits of info on Flemeth/Morri's plans with giving away too much.

A couple of amusing moments in the library.

Finn's comment - You could... probably crush me like a knat. (Finally, someone gets it!)

A pretty big payoff for a romancing warden tbh. It really felt like the warden had dealt with all the other annoyances and was finally focused on finding Morrigan (a desire expressed repeatedly by morri-fans).

Claudia Black did a great job again.

... We didn't get Gaider'd... yet.


Disappointing things:

Not many tbh,

No challenges in combat but tbh its not even really an issue or the focus of the DLC. The warden is godlike by this point and it's somewhat fitting that everything falls before him as he presses on- you really feel like he's a man on a mission so I'm willing to discount this one on the strengths of the rest of the product.

Most disappointing for me is that I doubt the choices that you make will have any impact on future games as there is no end save for Witch Hunt and the important choices come right at the end. From the looks of the log files no flags seem to get set for how you deal with Morrigan so it's doubtful how the Warden closes things with her will play any kind of role in the future, which is sad as a warden that went into the mirror world with her thereby entangling his fate with her's could make for a interesting element in a future game.


Final thoughts:

The "murder knife" moment was particularly cruel for those of you that've seen it. I'm not sure Morri's done anything quite so evil as to deserve that, heck it was almost a homage to that idiot with the beheading vids, though I'm sure our view is a little biased.

While I definitely loved one of the particular endings for the romancing warden, that particular one really does lend itself to the Warden reappearing alongside Morri when she resurfaces in the future, to miss out on that through Witch Hunt's lack of a final save would be disappointing. The Warden's stepping into some questionable territory as he throws everything away to be with Morrigan - definitely something I'd like to see some kind of follow up to in a future game. I mention this mainly as wasn't there a rumour that you *might* encounter your old warden in DA2 or beyond and we know that Morrigan is set to return at some point, but for the duo to show up together when/if Morrigan becomes central the plot would be beyond awesome imo... Hopefully the warden won't have inexplicably vanished when Morri returns. After finishing witch hunt I'm definitely feeling more receptive to DA2 and beyond, but I really hope they've got some way for accounting for a romancing warden's choices for Morri's return - boulder/gone fishing and whatnot won't suffice if the warden isn't present in some capacity. Essentially I'd like to see *this* Morrigan in the future, you've crafted a really nice end to this part of the story so don't let it be for nothing when Morri returns.

Regardless, an enjoyable dlc (my first run through was spoiled by the aforementioned bug, resulting in a semi-hostile romanced Morrigan), some great & fitting lines from the warden & morrigan imo, whilst building up Flemeth's upcoming role in DA2. There's a lot of stuff here for players that romanced Morrigan, who certainly have the most motivation to chase her down.  Witch Hunt provides some fitting closure to the Warden's immediate story whilst leaving the flexibility to come back. I quite like the idea that a romance nurtured in DA:O could have consequences down the line, even if we have a new protagonist. While I won't be able to fully close the MorriganxWarden saga until we see how Morrigan's role plays out what we've got now is infinitely better than what we had before. Let's just hope that both Morri and the Warden will be back at some point in the future. I'd definitely like to extend my thanks to those involved in creating it, a fitting end for my "canon" Origins playthroughs without a doubt.

On a side note I enjoyed Gaider's interviews at PAX and the way he elaborated on the changes to the combat system are something I could definitely get on board with.
 
... Terra_Ex is going soft. Gotta toughen up for whatever traps have been set for DA2... Also need to check out the Liara DLC in the near future.

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 08 septembre 2010 - 03:10 .