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THE Morrigan Discussion and Research Thread *Infested with Bugs Yet Again!*


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Monica21

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Addai67 wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Addai: What mod are you using for Morrigan's armor to show up like that?

It's a Sacred Ashes Morrigan robe, I got it on BSN but I'm not sure of the link anymore.  I'll try to find it.


It's this one on Nexus. I use it too. http://www.dragonage...file.php?id=525

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CalJones wrote...

An import from Awakening also works if you import from Post-Coronation into Awakening. I think it' the post campaign save that borks things.

Well that doesn't bode well for Aedan.  Maybe I will try to import from Origins.  I'm so glad I re-played his end game and most of Awakening.  Posted Image

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Addai67 wrote...

CalJones wrote...

An import from Awakening also works if you import from Post-Coronation into Awakening. I think it' the post campaign save that borks things.

Well that doesn't bode well for Aedan.  Maybe I will try to import from Origins.  I'm so glad I re-played his end game and most of Awakening.  Posted Image


Its not like story wise you miss out on anything by importing from Origins. The only things I noticed different were that Vigil's Keep is on the map and you can say you've been to the Dragon Bone Wastes before.

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Ugh. Sorry to hear that - what a pain.

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Terra_Ex wrote...

Ring references :) Morri mentions it, there's a scene where a companion mentions it, very nicely interwoven with the plotline. Definitely rewarded serious roleplayers.


I was giddy with excitement when Ariane mentioned the Warden fiddling with the ring- that was fantastic. Maybe there is dialogue and I didn't get it, but when talking to Morrigan can you reference the whole sorrow and regret epilogue at all?


Terra_Ex wrote...
Dog's reactions to the Warden's attitude toward Morrigan as the plot progressed were an unexpected surprise - he wasn't too happy if you announce that you intend to kill her. I really liked this interaction and the part where Morri greets the dog.

Dog was great in this- fitting since Sheryl Chee wrote Dog in Origins too. I just loved Dog's happy greeting for Morrigan and the fact that she actually seemed happy to see Dog:)

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A few more bits of info on Flemeth/Morri's plans with giving away too much.

They could have given more answers. If you didn't romance Morrigan and were mostly expecting answers, you really don't get much that you didn't know or couldn't piece together already from Origins. EVen just a bit more in terms of Morrigan's plans or what she knows would have been welcome, expecially if you're her friend or lover. I mean, hell, if you're going into Mirror World with her, you'll no doubt find out soon enough right? So if she is going to let you follow along why not give your Warden a primer on what she knows? Because she very clearly knows a whole hell of a lot more than she is telling.


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Finn's comment - You could... probably crush me like a knat. (Finally, someone gets it!)

I really liked Finn- I hope he shows up again maybe in DA2. Its funny I enjoyed the new characters here more than any of the ones in Awakening (maybe besides Nathaniel).


Terra_Ex wrote...
... We didn't get Gaider'd... yet.

I won't spoil the mood, but I can already think of a million and one ways we can still get Gaider'd whenever Morrigan's story resumes....


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Most disappointing for me is that I doubt the choices that you make will have any impact on future games as there is no end save for Witch Hunt and the important choices come right at the end.

If thats the case and we can't import from Witch Hunt into DA2, thats bad. It seems like a farily big deal how you dealt with Morrigan as that could influence how she views things (romanced Morrigan with Warden, friendly Morrigan on her own, or gut stabbed Morrigan all hostile). I'm hoping we hear about this sometime soon and about the import feature for DA2 in general. Given all the headaches, I'm hoping they give it some transparency so we don't have to trudge through the whole game only to get dozens of hours in to realize the import borked our decisions.

Terra_Ex wrote...
The "murder knife" moment was particularly cruel for those of you that've seen it. I'm not sure Morri's done anything quite so evil as to deserve that, heck it was almost a homage to that idiot with the beheading vids, though I'm sure our view is a little biased.


Thats exactly what I was thinking- I was reminded of certain obsessive Morrigan haters on the forum or one of the threads that came out shortly after Origins was released which had people raging about why they couldn't kill Morrigan in the DR scene. I think this was BioWare just throwing a bone to them- but I'll be damned if Morrigan is dead from that. If anything, that scene just plays out very odd and I hope a pissed off super Morrigan comes back from the MIrror World to kill the Wardens that did that :devil:

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Essentially I'd like to see *this* Morrigan in the future, you've crafted a really nice end to this part of the story so don't let it be for nothing when Morri returns.


Well, here is my speculation of getting Gaider'd in DA3 or whenever Morrigan returns from the Mirror World.

You figure by the end of DA2, it will be about 10 years post Origins or about 8 years post Witch Hunt.  Morrigan says we're going somewhere even beyond the Fade, somewhere the Old God Boy can get his Jedi training and where Morrigan has the time to build up her power for what is to come. And she mentions it may not be wise for the Warden to follow along.

So, one possibility is that by the time DA3 comes out, at least 8 years will have passed. Thats a decently long time. And 8 years in bizzaro Mirror World? Who knows what that will do to a person? What I'm worried is that come DA3 time, we'll be a new PC yet again and at some point we get involved with Flemeth and Morrigan. Except maybe we pick up a mysterious companion along the way and *big reveal* its actually some sort of super powered Gandalf the White  type Morrigan reborn. And the mystery/character development would be unraveling what went on in the Mirror World  and what happened to the Warden that followed her in. And with their new art style would give them an excuse to radically change up her look, nevermind that she's a shapeshifter.  

But ideally, Morrigan and the Warden went into Mirror World together and ideally they'll walk out together (with Old God Boy?)

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Brockololly wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

CalJones wrote...

An import from Awakening also works if you import from Post-Coronation into Awakening. I think it' the post campaign save that borks things.

Well that doesn't bode well for Aedan.  Maybe I will try to import from Origins.  I'm so glad I re-played his end game and most of Awakening.  Posted Image


Its not like story wise you miss out on anything by importing from Origins. The only things I noticed different were that Vigil's Keep is on the map and you can say you've been to the Dragon Bone Wastes before.

True, and the combat was no problem for a high-level Origins PC.

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Ok, if there is no post-WH save, or one made after you make your choice, how can we import it to DA2?

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ok, if there is no post-WH save, or one made after you make your choice, how can we import it to DA2?


At this point I'm not sure we can import from WH into DA2..... I really want to know how they're going to do the import system for DA2.

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Question: Does importing from the coronation resolve the Awakening epilogue bug or does one need the restoration mod? The mirror trick is useless since it will be bugged when importing to WH.

Modifié par Aphetto_LC, 08 septembre 2010 - 04:43 .


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Brockololly wrote...

I was giddy with excitement when Ariane mentioned the Warden fiddling with the ring- that was fantastic. Maybe there is dialogue and I didn't get it, but when talking to Morrigan can you reference the whole sorrow and regret epilogue at all?

You can point out to Ariane that "I feel her sometimes".  And Morrigan says she felt you approaching...

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Brockololly wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ok, if there is no post-WH save, or one made after you make your choice, how can we import it to DA2?


At this point I'm not sure we can import from WH into DA2..... I really want to know how they're going to do the import system for DA2.

same, i am EXTREMELY worried how the import will work and if it will actually work or just f*** up and say u made decisions you never like witch hunt.Posted Image

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As epic as Bioware's story telling is, their quality control needs some work.

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Axekix wrote...

As epic as Bioware's story telling is, their quality control needs some work.


Thats an understatement if I ever heard one. Sadly though, its been like this since Baldur's Gate. I have fond memories of trying to fix Jaheira's romance through the console, "lovetalk", anyone?

If there is any silver lining to DA2 being a shorter game than Origins its that hopefully the QA will be better and it won't be as buggy.

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Alright so to avoid the Witch Hunt bug, I've got to import a post-corination save into awakening and then import that awakening save into Witch Hunt? Originally i loaded an origins epilogue save into awakening (I gave the golden mirror to morrigan in it).

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Brockololly wrote...

Thats an understatement if I ever heard one. Sadly though, its been like this since Baldur's Gate. I have fond memories of trying to fix Jaheira's romance through the console, "lovetalk", anyone?

If there is any silver lining to DA2 being a shorter game than Origins its that hopefully the QA will be better and it won't be as buggy.


you do not really believe that, do you? Da 2 is rushed out of the door like its toxic or anything. I guess their were cuts already made to how the whole franchise was initially planned, and for most companies (not just BW/EA), QA is one of those things you can leave for the paying customer to do.

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Well, Since I didn't romance Morrigan, I did not go with her into the mirror, however she is as good as a friend and I let her go... What I really was interested in was what she left.. The book, we didn't get to read codex or anything.

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soundchaser721 wrote...

Alright so to avoid the Witch Hunt
bug, I've got to import a post-corination save into awakening and then
import that awakening save into Witch Hunt? Originally i loaded an
origins epilogue save into awakening (I gave the golden mirror to
morrigan in it).

You don't really need Awakening. If you use the auto-save in the coronation room(before you leave the door) then it will work.

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Brockololly wrote...

Thats an understatement if I ever heard one. Sadly though, its been like this since Baldur's Gate. I have fond memories of trying to fix Jaheira's romance through the console, "lovetalk", anyone?

If there is any silver lining to DA2 being a shorter game than Origins its that hopefully the QA will be better and it won't be as buggy.


you do not really believe that, do you? Da 2 is rushed out of the door like its toxic or anything. I guess their were cuts already made to how the whole franchise was initially planned, and for most companies (not just BW/EA), QA is one of those things you can leave for the paying customer to do.

The game is out in ~6-7 months and they still don't have gameplay footage to show :lol:

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so if i have an origin save..right before going thorugh the door..before the sliders go...is it bugged or not ?don't feel like redoing awakening....

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... wait how many of you guys who romanced Morrigan spoke to her about the RITUALHOOOBABYMAKING after the deed was done. Doesn't that like screw up your romance hence why we were advised not to speak to her about it?

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Kendall, you should be OK. But we don't know for sure that's what is causing the issue.

You'll know if the save is OK when you talk to dog and the option to find the child comes up.

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Anyone seen good master Shiori yet?

I cant imagine he is going to be very pleased with how many bugs he may have hit.

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CalJones wrote...

Kendall, you should be OK. But we don't know for sure that's what is causing the issue.
You'll know if the save is OK when you talk to dog and the option to find the child comes up.



           hehe...haven't even bought the DLC yet...not to mention i still have Awakening to finish and the Golems DLC

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questions questions questions......



i thought this DLC would give us more answers, but instead Bioware dropped even more questions on my head.....

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Alright. Here's a little tutorial on how to avoid the bug.

Follow the bold parts if you aren't interested in reading technical issues.

Terra_Ex wrote...

Regarding the bug:
it seems to be caused by the "post-game" in Origins. If you cast your mind back to when we were discussing that "PRC" plot file several months back you remember that the game copied all the ritual flags to a separate plot file before wiping the original, presumably to avoid breaking morrigan's dialogue in the post game.

The choices you make regarding the ritual are stored in clipt_morrigan_ritual.plt (GUID 764C8DAF-F227-4DFE-BC7C-7B32FA2BB0CD) in DA:O. This plot file is wiped if the player loads the post-game save (where they appear at the "On the road" area)  following the coronation scene in DA:O. Its contents are copied to the "PRC" plot file we discussed months ago in the post-game script cam900ar_endgame.nss. The problem is, if the player imports a Origins/Awakening save where this process has occured, Witch Hunt tries to read the ritual plot flags from the now-cleared plotfile. You can see the game trying to access the plot file in the logs.

Thus the game believes you didn't do the ritual even if you did. The only feasible workaround for this is to import an origins save from the coronation room (the "final save" might work too) or an Awakening save where you never entered the "post game" of DA:O. Bioware should sort this out imo.

Short version - if you entered the "post game" in Origins, and imported that save into Awakening/Golems/WH you are bugged.


Right after you import your save, check the very first dialogue you have with your dog once the game starts.

blademaster7 wrote...

Here's how to check what flag gets imported. If you are planning on importing a Warden that romanced her  and did the DR then do a bit of testing before you waste 2 hours of your time.

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This is the first conversation with your dog. If #3 is available then it  means you did the DR and you got a proper game. If not then either you  refused it or you got a buggy save.

If #3 isn't available to pick then try another save.


Hope it helps, and hope my post doesn't get buried.... (can we get it in the first page?)

Modifié par blademaster7, 08 septembre 2010 - 05:27 .


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Giggles_Manically wrote...

Anyone seen good master Shiori yet?
I cant imagine he is going to be very pleased with how many bugs he may have hit.


Nah, he was the voice of reason BW won't fail us and we will get a good ending while we all were just doom and gloom. I bet he can't wait to come back and tell us how wrong we'be been and that he said it from the very beginning.

And he's right to do so . So i guess that bug won't kill his good mood at the moment :lol:

Modifié par MoSa09, 08 septembre 2010 - 05:34 .