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[Master Shiori]

AlanC9 wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...
Same thing with Revan in Knights of the Old Republic. His gender and actions were canonized.

Gender certainly wasn't. And KotOR 2 was by Obsidian anyway.

Take a look at the old Knights of the Old Republic webpage at Lucasarts (provided it's still up).

There you'll find a short history of the Old Republic, retelling everything that happened up to and including the Kotor game.

In that history, when speaking about Revan, they use the word "he".

[Swoo]

I agree with a bunch of what is being said here. I'm interested in seeing what happens with the DLC that Corrine Kempa (I believe) mentioned that was in the works, if Bioware is planning a sort of tying to the personal loose ends of DA:O romances to pave way for a new character continuing an 'old' story in DA2, I could live with that if done correctly and not something that takes me all of 20 minutes to finish like the other DLC.

I think the biggest thing about the Morrigan romance is just how much space remains with it compared to the other romances and it insantly hooks you harder than any other option in the game for a wants list in a sequel. As was said, you have a Warden that you have invested between 40-60 hours into most likely in a grand story, who over the course of an adventure breaks through to what is pretty much the devil on your shoulder only to see it go away at the very end. Then in the endings of both O and A, you have the choice to refuse to give up and set off in search of her.

It's an absolute perfect setup to a second game. The Warden can be placed just about anywhere in Thedas and all you have to say is 'clues led him here' and you instantly buy it. I personally think no matter what, The Dark Ritual is the idea that is driving Dragons Age 2, and I do have characters who didn't do it so I can understand the 'but my ending' arguments totally. I just think the fact that it was a hard option in a game of varied choices (which you could turn down, but I have a feeling even if you did, the game designers already have twenty different plans of how Plan B worked out and a Ritual happened anyway off to the side of your own adventure). For those that didn't romance Morrigan, it would be easy to tie those endings into the Dark Ritual metaplot with it's own personal Origin (It would take what, five maybe? One dealing with Alister/Anora marriges or slight tweakings of a few dialogue trees for the Teryn/Bann options, one dealing with Leilana's travels, one dealing with heading off with Sten, and then Dwarf and Dalish options.)  instead of the Warden tracking her down while still giving the freedom that previous actions mattered while being able to push the story Bioware wants to tell.

It will be a gigantic dissapointment for me if this game goes the KOTOR2 route and my choices really didn't matter in the end and the PC that got me hooked into the story is flittering off in the background somewhere. Even if they resolve it with another PC in another game, it won't have the impact as doing it with the originator of the plot would.

But maybe that's just me.

blademaster7 wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

And no, compared to what Alistair, Leliana or Zevran fans got, the end of Morrigan's romance wasn't good or satisfying. It felt like a complete kick in the teeth.

I'm not saying a reunion between an Origins Warden and Morrigan needs to have a happy ending. It might very well end up as a  tragedy. But any kind of resolution is better then the "disappeared into the unknown" crap we have atm.

AMEN!

This.quote.is.perfect. I can't think of any way to put it better.

*Note to self. Add this guy to your friendlist.

Your "favorite Warden" from DAO threw his life away to go look for her. He could just settle in Denerim and live as a rich hero and have everything he ever wanted. But no. After Awakening he abandons all his privilegdes because he felt the need to find the woman he loves(the game doesn't realy give you a choice). He doesn't know what he will find, he's not even sure she will accept him. There is something inside him that has been burning him for years. He wants to look into her eyes and ask... WHY? That's it. Nothing more.

Now imagine playing DA2 and meeting Morrigan with your new character. That "other" guy -- who is now a footnote in Morrigan's codex entry -- wasted all these years and found nothing, and you just accidentally bump in her with this new guy you don't really care about(yet anyway). How  would you feel?

If DA2 is anything like that, then I'll pass.

Did that sound melodramatic? i feel stupid for posting that... but I had to say it <_<

[Cuddlezarro]

Master Shiori wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...
Same thing with Revan in Knights of the Old Republic. His gender and actions were canonized.

Gender certainly wasn't. And KotOR 2 was by Obsidian anyway.

Take a look at the old Knights of the Old Republic webpage at Lucasarts (provided it's still up).

There you'll find a short history of the Old Republic, retelling everything that happened up to and including the Kotor game.

In that history, when speaking about Revan, they use the word "he".

Revan is also refered to as "he" "his" "male" ect in the KoTOR comic series and KoTOR campaign guide

just like how the exile is always refered to as female/she/ect ect

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 18 avril 2010 - 10:35 .

[Swoo]

Just as a sidenote, but that was Lucasarts doing and not Biowares iirc. And to add to that, I think they in fact ended up making the Exile a female to cool the fall-out of making Revan male in canon.

I think it had something to do with the fact they had to have KOTOR set in stone so it could be used to build off for the other myriad forms of media they have running about the Jedi saga, and the Lucas people are almost always exclusively paragon tales only.

Master Shiori wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...
Same thing with Revan in Knights of the Old Republic. His gender and actions were canonized.

Gender certainly wasn't. And KotOR 2 was by Obsidian anyway.

Take a look at the old Knights of the Old Republic webpage at Lucasarts (provided it's still up).

There you'll find a short history of the Old Republic, retelling everything that happened up to and including the Kotor game.

In that history, when speaking about Revan, they use the word "he".

[Gennojo Ryuga]

blademaster7 wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

And no, compared to what Alistair, Leliana or Zevran fans got, the end of Morrigan's romance wasn't good or satisfying. It felt like a complete kick in the teeth.

I'm not saying a reunion between an Origins Warden and Morrigan needs to have a happy ending. It might very well end up as a  tragedy. But any kind of resolution is better then the "disappeared into the unknown" crap we have atm.

AMEN!

This.quote.is.perfect. I can't think of any way to put it better.

*Note to self. Add this guy to your friendlist.

Your "favorite Warden" from DAO threw his life away to go look for her. He could just settle in Denerim and live as a rich hero and have everything he ever wanted. But no. After Awakening he abandons all his privilegdes because he felt the need to find the woman he loves(the game doesn't realy give you a choice). He doesn't know what he will find, he's not even sure she will accept him. There is something inside him that has been burning him for years. He wants to look into her eyes and ask... WHY? That's it. Nothing more.

Now imagine playing DA2 and meeting Morrigan with your new character. That "other" guy -- who is now a footnote in Morrigan's codex entry -- wasted all these years and found nothing, and you just accidentally bump in her with this new guy you don't really care about(yet anyway). How  would you feel?

If DA2 is anything like that, then I'll pass.

Did that sound melodramatic? i feel stupid for posting that... but I had to say it <_<

THANK YOU!

This is exactly what I was thinking and feeling, running into her with a new character and possibly getting a quest or two from her (or worse start a romance with her as a new character) would be cheap and insulting, a slap to the face of all Morrigan romancers from Origins.

Above all things, even if the romance never gets a happy ending when all is said and done, at least send my Warden off knowing his story is complete, all loose ends tied up.  Not some ambiguous garbage "no one knows where he went but his story is certainly not over"

Modifié par Gennojo Ryuga, 18 avril 2010 - 10:51 .

[Brockololly]

blademaster7 wrote...

Your "favorite Warden" from DAO threw his life away to go look for her. He could just settle in Denerim and live as a rich hero and have everything he ever wanted. But no. After Awakening he abandons all his privilegdes because he felt the need to find the woman he loves(the game doesn't realy give you a choice). He doesn't know what he will find, he's not even sure she will accept him. There is something inside him that has been burning him for years. He wants to look into her eyes and ask... WHY? That's it. Nothing more.

Now imagine playing DA2 and meeting Morrigan with your new character. That "other" guy -- who is now a footnote in Morrigan's codex entry -- wasted all these years and found nothing, and you just accidentally bump in her with this new guy you don't really care about(yet anyway). How  would you feel?

If DA2 is anything like that, then I'll pass.

EXACTAMUNDO!

Why would Bioware bother to put in the whole "search for Morrigan" choices if they have no intention of following through in future games? Are they just that cruel to get our hopes up? Not to sound like a whiney brat but Its not enough to just have Morrigan in the future games- I want to play as my Warden searching and reuniting with Morrigan. If the Warden is relegated to a codex entry of "And he searched and searched for his lost love Morrigan but never found her before going to the Deep Roads for his Calling" then I'd be majorly peeved and  my faith in Bioware would take a "Brockololly disapproves -1000000."

I get that Morrigan's story may end tragically or might not be all sunshine and puppies, but at least let the player play through to the end and try to get a "good" ending with Morrigan or at least be in control of the PC to see it through. Its kind of like my problem with Viconia in Throne of Bhaal- having her get killed off in the epilogue to make sure she gets a suitably tragic ending is weak storytelling in a medium like CRPGS which emphasizes player agency.

If you're going to go the whole tragic route, make sure the player gets to experience the tragedy in an "emotionally engaging" way within the game, not the epilogue slides...But then again, it would be nice if a tragic ending was only one possibility and that while maybe difficult to achieve and not without sacrifice, a "good" romantic ending could be possible with Morrigan.

[AlanC9]

Master Shiori wrote...

Take a look at the old Knights of the Old Republic webpage at Lucasarts (provided it's still up).

There you'll find a short history of the Old Republic, retelling everything that happened up to and including the Kotor game.

In that history, when speaking about Revan, they use the word "he".

What of it? That has no relevance to KotOR2, and if there ever was a KotOR 3 it wouldn't be relevant there either.

[Terra_Ex]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

Just thought you guys would appreciate his reponse in light of your commentaries.  May not be heartening that we will continue with our Warden's, but then again, it could be just an exercise in expectations management or disinformation to keep us off guard (they do seem to enjoy keeping their players off guard--As a consumer, I definitely prefer ME's predictability in their future direction, instead of this endless and seemingly futile (WTF?) speculation).

Ack, Gaider's a master at making posts that cover everything and yet provide no answers.

We know Morri will be back, but what form this will take is crucial. Brockololly summed it up quite well - if I was confident in those two things I'd be on the edge of my seat awaiting the next game. Sadly, what should be a time of speculation, is instead a time of utter frustration. I'm definitely of the opinion that Morrigan should not return in any form until DA2 however, I just can't see a DLC / expansion faring well.

blademaster7 wrote...

Before Awakening was even released I
kinda had this secret hope that it will end up being a flop.
Everyone(including me) was hoping for an actual continuation, and not a
lousy half-assed expansion that completely disconnects your character
from his/her story.

They didn't listen to their fans... I'm not
even sure they're paying attention

So
in a way, I'm glad Awakening came out the way it did. A sh!tty game
that will be forgotten quickly.

lol, looks like we'll be getting more darkspawn & dragons then

blademaster7 wrote...
You may want to wait for Terra_ex's mod. I think he fixed a lot of stuff. It's worth to postpone your game for a while.


Speaking of Terra_ex and the mod... how is it going? Have you gotten to the DR yet? I have a few ideas about it. /images/forum/emoticons/wink.png

The mod is coming along nicely, not done much with it today - still revelling in how awesome the restored scene is - if you lie to her and fail the subsequent persuasion check, damn that VA work is phenomenal! Truly a more worthy ending to the character quest than what we ended up with.

I had to do a bit of tweaking and use PRCSCR to order to inject a new script into the party camp - this forces Morrigan to speak to you as soon as you return from the wilds. I decided that this made the most sense considering the context of the scene - she shouldn't be waiting patiently at her place in camp indefinitely for you to get back to her once Flemeth is dealt with.

So yeah, I think the next thing I'll be tackling is the Dark Ritual scene (as I said I'm not making major changes to dialogue unless there has clearly been an error in its implementation), I'm fairly happy the rest of the dialogue in morrigan_main is now working as intended. I will check the ritual scene over and see what if anything needs cleaning up and whatnot. Might try and implement that kiss sequence that's hinted at during the ritual, that should at least give the romancing warden something extra (or beg Charsen for help if I get stuck). After that's done there's the dialogue at the Denerim gates to check over and I *think* that's it, and we should be good for an open beta... But there's likely not gonna be much progress over the next fews days since I'm back at uni and have a bunch of work to do Sadly real life must take precedence over fixing these issues and if I open up that toolset I won't be able to stop myself from fixing things, thus it remains closed... for now.

Oh yeah, do people want Morrigan to use the "Love" dialog responses in Arl Eamon's estate or are we happy with her defaulting to "What comes my friend?"

AlanC9 wrote...

Aren't those two questions the same thing, really? If the Warden comes back in a sequel but Morrigan doesn't, they'll have rioting in the streets.. Awakenings was bad enough.

I think the other way around would be even worse. But yeah, I agree with Brockolly, we must stop adding fuel to Gaider's fire of plot hooks to torture players. I wonder if he's aware that the follow up to the confrontation with Flemeth was reduced to a 3 line scene with zero player input.

Gaider did a fantastic job with the romance in DA:O I just wish he'd finish it.

Brockololly wrote...
Bioware could easily not bring the Warden back and go with a new character that comes across Morrigan- that would just flat out really suck. But its a possibility. Even if we get the chance to play as the Warden again and even if Morrigan is in the same game, thats not necessarily a guarantee we'll get to romance her again. For all we know, if Gaider was feeling particularly cruel, they could pull an Alien3 on us and kill off Morrigan or other beloved Origins NPCs at the beginning of DA2 or they could have Morrigan return but not be interested in romance due to whatever compelled her to run away with OGB in Origins, or Morrigan could end up only being an NPC and not even a party member but still show up in the game.

I think I'll stop there with my negative scenarios regarding possible Morrigan disappointment. I already gave Gaider an idea back a couple months ago in one of the old Morrigan threads:
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Brockololly
wrote...

    I would guess that if you romanced Morrigan, did the ritual,and vowed to search for her, then the PC would spend a long time searching for Morrigan and once he eventually finds her she would be absolutely enraged at the PC for coming after her (for whatever reason).They exchange words and eventually come to blows- an all out fight, allthe while shouting at each other as they totally expend all their energy fighting each other. Pretty soon though they realize they are just totally spent emotionally and physically and come to a draw. The PC
    and Morrigan proceed to have wild crazy witch sex right on the spot.
    Mark it down, thats your reunion right there.



David Gaider wrote...
And then the camera pulls back and you see you're in the Fade, and Morrigan is actually a Desire Demon. The player, oblivious, is forever trapped.
Yes, that might work.

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No doubt Gaider is reading this, wringing his hands, letting loose a "Muahahaha!"  and taking notes on how to torment us Morrigan fanboys.../images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png

That's a whole lot of negativity there Brock. Is that a legit post from Gaider there? How he enjoys toying with us innocent morri-fans

bladermaster 7 wrote...
Your "favorite Warden" from DAO threw his life away to go look for her. He could just settle in Denerim and live as a rich hero and have everything he ever wanted. But no. After Awakening he abandons all his privilegdes because he felt the need to find the woman he loves(the game doesn't realy give you a choice). He doesn't know what he will find, he's not even sure she will accept him. There is something inside him that has been burning him for years. He wants to look into her eyes and ask... WHY? That's it. Nothing more.

Now imagine playing DA2 and meeting Morrigan with your new character. That "other" guy -- who is now a footnote in Morrigan's codex entry -- wasted all these years and found nothing, and you just accidentally bump in her with this new guy you don't really care about(yet anyway). How  would you feel?

If DA2 is anything like that, then I'll pass.

Did that sound melodramatic? i feel stupid for posting that... but I had to say it

Sums up the whole sorry saga of the male romancing warden, well said, my friend!

Why would Bioware bother to put in the whole "search for Morrigan" choices if they have no intention of following through in future games? Are they just that cruel to get our hopes up? Not to sound like a whiney brat but Its not enough to just have Morrigan in the future games- I want to play as my Warden searching and reuniting with Morrigan. If the Warden is relegated to a codex entry of "And he searched and searched for his lost love Morrigan but never found her before going to the Deep Roads for his Calling" then I'd be majorly peeved and  my faith in Bioware would take a "Brockololly disapproves -1000000."

It's all a conspiracy orchestrated by Gaider,I tell you.

Master Shiori wrote...
"I'm not saying a reunion between an Origins Warden and Morrigan needs to have a happy ending. It might very well end up as a  tragedy. But any kind of resolution is better then the "disappeared into the unknown" crap we have atm."

Couldn't have put it better myself. If we knew that both Morri + our Warden would be back in DA2, I'd say its a fantastic cliffhanger - like the entire romance, it turns all our preconceived notions on their head. However, the uncertainty is killing it for me.


I don't think I've ever been so concerned about the future of a game series before - I can just see them trying something really clever and end up sending the fans crazy.

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 19 avril 2010 - 03:13 .

[Brockololly]

Terra_Ex wrote...

That's a whole lot of negativity there Brock. Is that a legit post from Gaider there? How he enjoys toying with us innocent morri-fans

I don't think I've ever been so concerned about the future of a game series before - I can just see them trying something really clever and end up sending the fans crazy.

Oh yeah that quote was vintage Gaider. Heres the link to the whole thread: http://social.biowar...75058/18#400980

And yeah, Gaider maintains sustenance from the tears of bewildered fanboys and fangirls alike:

David Gaider wrote...

OneBadAssMother wrote...
So
David Gaider is the one responsible for driving my wife to tears with
Alistair?

My proudest moment.

I know it probably
makes me a bad person, but there are moments when the thought of all the
Alistair fangirls and Morrigan fanboys tearing out their hair and
rending their shirts pleases me inordinately.

Here is the full thread on that if you're interested: http://social.biowar...47/index/456111

I too am worried about what direction they take DA in. The nice thing with ME is that we know what we're going to get and what to expect with ME3; not the case with DA! Like you said though, I hope they don't try and get too clever for their own good- starting off a new hero or playing as the kid of the Warden won't fly so long as the Warden's story is left unresolved- if they wanted to close the chapter on the Warden they should have made everyone do the Ultimate Sacrifice. After KOTOR and how Revan was given the vanishing treatment, thats not going to fly for me in the future if thats how BIoware leaves it with the Warden.

And I know some people like Morrigan's romance and how it has a sad, tragic ending of sorts in Origins. And you know what I do too! It was emotionally engaging! Hell, thats why I'm botheirng to post about it months after the game was released. My problems with it don't stem from the fact that Morrigan leaves but rather that the Warden never gets any real reason as to why she is leaving or why he can't tag along- and in that instant, Bioware is taking away agency from the player in a game where you can have your PC act pretty much any way you want.

Thinking about it, what would have totally placated me personally would have been if instead of the epilogue slides when walking out of the throne room, instead maybe have a very very brief playable section or cutscene of the Warden heading out over the Frostbacks- just something a little more concrete to meld with  the Warden's stated intentions of going out to search for Morrigan. I know that sort of thing would be crazy to implement as game endings are usually skimped on (*cough* Awakening*cough*) but thats just something I'd like to see in more games. When you have an epic 80+ hour game, not unlike reading through or watching Lord of the RIngs, you expect a certain level of denouement- I thought Origins did this better than most games, but I wouldn't mind MOAR!

In any event, until Bioware releases some info I'm just going to hope for the best and expect the worst!

[blademaster7]

Well, I'm glad you guys agree.

Dragon Age doesn't need a happy ending in order to be a good game. In fact, some of the endings are actually good and satisfying.

Alistair and Anora rule jointly, Loghain kills the archdemon and redeems him self and the Warden runs off to the sunset with Leliana. Best ending I ever got. No stupid cliffhanger with Morrigan running with my demon child and my PC wasting his life searching for a needle in a haystack.

What I want for Morrigan's ending(which in my eyes is already canon) is CLOSURE. Be it tragedy or a happy ending I could care less at this point. Just give me some damn answers so i could see my story finished.

The current ending is total BS.
-Morrigan disappears without giving a reason why. Her plans are a mystery
-Warden disappears on his own after Awakening. He may found her... he may not.It will remain a mystery

And then what? We start DA2. The Warden is nowhere to be found and Morrigan gets the Oghren treatment. No actual recognition of her post-game status, just the "default" Morrigan dealing with a stranger.

I just hope they prove me wrong.

Modifié par blademaster7, 19 avril 2010 - 07:38 .

[OldMan91]

What of it? That has no relevance to KotOR2, and if there ever was a KotOR 3 it wouldn't be relevant there either.

Lucasarts made canon that Revan is male and his ending was light-sided. For Kotor 2, they made it canon that the Exile was female and she had the light-sided ending too. It's official.

[akrep77]

Sorry If I interrupt something here, but I just finished DAO:A and I didn't see the slide about the warden went after black haired witch (thanks to the bug which caused the game not to see my romance with Morrigan)



So my question is, should I replay the game just to get this slide and have my romance back just for upcoming titles and expansions? or is there any more practical ways to get my romance back? Because I don't want to loose my romance with Morrigan if there will be any upcoming games and if we would have an option to import our PC from awakenings.

[Master Shiori]

akrep77 wrote...

Sorry If I interrupt something here, but I just finished DAO:A and I didn't see the slide about the warden went after black haired witch (thanks to the bug which caused the game not to see my romance with Morrigan)

So my question is, should I replay the game just to get this slide and have my romance back just for upcoming titles and expansions? or is there any more practical ways to get my romance back? Because I don't want to loose my romance with Morrigan if there will be any upcoming games and if we would have an option to import our PC from awakenings.

My advice would be to replay Origins and make sure Morrigan's aproval meter shows "love" before you kill the Archdemon.

You can achieve this by not talking to her again after she gives you her farewell speech at Denerim's gates.

This should let you have the necessery romance flags that trigger the proper epilogue slide in Awakening, but you will miss on her ring epilogue in Origins.

[blademaster7]

If you're on PC you can use console commands to re-activate the romance.

Only do it if you plan on replaying Awakening to get that part in your epilogue.

Or better yet. Duplicate a post-epilogue save and give them different flags. One for friendly(still in love flag) and one for love(romance active flag).

Modifié par blademaster7, 19 avril 2010 - 02:10 .

[akrep77]

@blademaster7



You mean post-epilogue save of Awakenings of Origins?



I really don't want to replay Origins just to get the slide, is there no way to fix this problem without replaying it? For example, editing the save game, etc... I don't want to see the slide, I knew what it will say. I just want to be sure that any upcoming game will recognize our romance when I import my PC into it.



Also I think having "love" or "friendly" approvals don't have any actual effect in the expansion, other than this different ending slide?

[blademaster7]

I meant your DAO save. Go back to your camp and use the console(read page 2 of this topic) to change the approval to anything you wish.



For Awakening's epilogue, the romance must be activated. If you import a save where her approval is at "love" then it will work fine.



I cannot give advice for any upcoming game, simply because I have no idea where are they going with this. Just keep your save and when( --if-- ) the time comes, we'll see.

[Barbarossa2010]

Terra_Ex wrote...

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

Just thought you guys would appreciate his reponse in light of your commentaries.  May not be heartening that we will continue with our Warden's, but then again, it could be just an exercise in expectations management or disinformation to keep us off guard (they do seem to enjoy keeping their players off guard--As a consumer, I definitely prefer ME's predictability in their future direction, instead of this endless and seemingly futile (WTF?) speculation).

Ack, Gaider's a master at making posts that cover everything and yet provide no answers.

We know Morri will be back, but what form this will take is crucial. Brockololly summed it up quite well - if I was confident in those two things I'd be on the edge of my seat awaiting the next game. Sadly, what should be a time of speculation, is instead a time of utter frustration. I'm definitely of the opinion that Morrigan should not return in any form until DA2 however, I just can't see a DLC / expansion faring well.


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I don't think I've ever been so concerned about the future of a game series before - I can just see them trying something really clever and end up sending the fans crazy.

Agreed about frustration.  I think it is a terrible franchise legacy and a highly unpredictable (very susceptible to blowing up in their faces) way to build demand.

Agreed that if they try to get clever, they may well just &*%$ it up.  There's a lot of residual anger and frustration out there.  I'm glad to see that more than the usual suspects are starting to weigh in on the thread.

[akrep77]

blademaster7 wrote...

I meant your DAO save. Go back to your camp and use the console(read page 2 of this topic) to change the approval to anything you wish.

For Awakening's epilogue, the romance must be activated. If you import a save where her approval is at "love" then it will work fine.

I cannot give advice for any upcoming game, simply because I have no idea where are they going with this. Just keep your save and when( --if-- ) the time comes, we'll see.

OK then, I think you are right. I will wait for the upcoming news about new expansions, if there will be any. However, what about my second question? If my character has been imported with Morrigan's romance info, does the awakenings have any difference? I mean any quests, dialogues, clues about Morrigan? Or the only change will be just the last slide of the epilogue?

[Brockololly]

akrep77 wrote...

blademaster7 wrote...

I meant your DAO save. Go back to your camp and use the console(read page 2 of this topic) to change the approval to anything you wish.

For Awakening's epilogue, the romance must be activated. If you import a save where her approval is at "love" then it will work fine.

I cannot give advice for any upcoming game, simply because I have no idea where are they going with this. Just keep your save and when( --if-- ) the time comes, we'll see.

OK then, I think you are right. I will wait for the upcoming news about new expansions, if there will be any. However, what about my second question? If my character has been imported with Morrigan's romance info, does the awakenings have any difference? I mean any quests, dialogues, clues about Morrigan? Or the only change will be just the last slide of the epilogue?

Nope there is absolutely nothing in Awakening about Morrigan besides the one little epilogue slide- so don't worry, you're not missing out on anything.

Modifié par Brockololly, 19 avril 2010 - 05:04 .

[akrep77]

Thanks for your answers guys. It was very helpful.

[Barbarossa2010]

Brockololly wrote...

And yeah, Gaider maintains sustenance from the tears of bewildered fanboys and fangirls alike:

David Gaider wrote...

OneBadAssMother wrote...
So
David Gaider is the one responsible for driving my wife to tears with
Alistair?

My proudest moment.

I know it probably
makes me a bad person, but there are moments when the thought of all the
Alistair fangirls and Morrigan fanboys tearing out their hair and
rending their shirts pleases me inordinately.

Now see, that just pisses me off.  WTF Gaider?  

I actually was beginning to give him the benefit of the doubt in light of the edited material in the toolset, until I read that. 

Since he sits back and actually enjoys frustrating players (not to mention the glitches in the romances that only compound the frustration and anger) it is becoming crystal clear that this is the accepted story telling model for future games.  Great idea, make a player invest significant time and energy into your game and then screw them over at the end to hook them.  Very speculative method for maintaining a franchise imo.  Since he seems to take such pleasure in torturing his players (and let's face it, it ain't that hard to build up a players expectations through a story and then strip them at the end), I don't see myself giving him the opportunity to do it to me again. 

Like I've said before if this is the accepted game/story method they're going to proceed wtih, then only hardcore Dark Fantasy types will form their player base, and DA will never be populist.  Players like me, who truly enjoyed the game overall, but won't tolerate ridiculous plot hook stories, will just look for the successor of Mass Effect.

Just my luck, the first great western RPG to emerge and it's controlled by sadists.  A great number of players will only suffer being punched in the face for so long.

[Shade of Wolf]

Brockololly wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Aren't those two questions the same thing, really? If the Warden comes back in a sequel but Morrigan doesn't, they'll have rioting in the streets.. Awakenings was bad enough.

Well, I would hope they know that Morrigan is the big hook for  a sequel- love her or hate her, I think people are at least a bit curious about her motives. And the devs have gone on the record as saying her story isn't over. Yet how her story is carried forward is the question: Would you consider it a continuation of Morrigan's story if Morrigan herself only had a bit part but the Old God Baby had a more central role? 

Bioware could easily not bring the Warden back and go with a new character that comes across Morrigan- that would just flat out really suck. But its a possibility. Even if we get the chance to play as the Warden again and even if Morrigan is in the same game, thats not necessarily a guarantee we'll get to romance her again. For all we know, if Gaider was feeling particularly cruel, they could pull an Alien3 on us and kill off Morrigan or other beloved Origins NPCs at the beginning of DA2 or they could have Morrigan return but not be interested in romance due to whatever compelled her to run away with OGB in Origins, or Morrigan could end up only being an NPC and not even a party member but still show up in the game.

I think I'll stop there with my negative scenarios regarding possible Morrigan disappointment. I already gave Gaider an idea back a couple months ago in one of the old Morrigan threads:
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Brockololly
wrote...

I would guess that if you romanced Morrigan, did the ritual,and vowed to search for her, then the PC would spend a long time searching for Morrigan and once he eventually finds her she would be absolutely enraged at the PC for coming after her (for whatever reason).They exchange words and eventually come to blows- an all out fight, allthe while shouting at each other as they totally expend all their energy fighting each other. Pretty soon though they realize they are just totally spent emotionally and physically and come to a draw. The PC
and Morrigan proceed to have wild crazy witch sex right on the spot.
Mark it down, thats your reunion right there.

David Gaider wrote...
And then the camera pulls back and you see you're in the Fade, and Morrigan is actually a Desire Demon. The player, oblivious, is forever trapped.
Yes, that might work.

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No doubt Gaider is reading this, wringing his hands, letting loose a "Muahahaha!"  and taking notes on how to torment us Morrigan fanboys...

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh blasphemy!!! You make me cry...

[Count Viceroy]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

And yeah, Gaider maintains sustenance from the tears of bewildered fanboys and fangirls alike:

David Gaider wrote...

OneBadAssMother wrote...
So
David Gaider is the one responsible for driving my wife to tears with
Alistair?

My proudest moment.

I know it probably
makes me a bad person, but there are moments when the thought of all the
Alistair fangirls and Morrigan fanboys tearing out their hair and
rending their shirts pleases me inordinately.

Now see, that just pisses me off.  WTF Gaider?  

I actually was beginning to give him the benefit of the doubt in light of the edited material in the toolset, until I read that. 

Just my luck, the first great western RPG to emerge and it's controlled by sadists.  A great number of players will only suffer being punched in the face for so long.

It's called sarcasm.

[RogueWriter3201]

Master Shiori wrote...

akrep77 wrote...

Sorry If I interrupt something here, but I just finished DAO:A and I didn't see the slide about the warden went after black haired witch (thanks to the bug which caused the game not to see my romance with Morrigan)

So my question is, should I replay the game just to get this slide and have my romance back just for upcoming titles and expansions? or is there any more practical ways to get my romance back? Because I don't want to loose my romance with Morrigan if there will be any upcoming games and if we would have an option to import our PC from awakenings.

My advice would be to replay Origins and make sure Morrigan's aproval meter shows "love" before you kill the Archdemon.

You can achieve this by not talking to her again after she gives you her farewell speech at Denerim's gates.

This should let you have the necessery romance flags that trigger the proper epilogue slide in Awakening, but you will miss on her ring epilogue in Origins.

I'm acutally still a Tad confused about all this. Let me see if I understand at least *some* of it. Keep in mind, I'm playing on the Console version, so I don't know if I'm in the same camp as you folks. Ok, so, if you've Romanced Morrigan till the close of the game, and you've done the Dark Ritual with her, there is a Bug that automatically drops her approval raiting to Fond and not Love when she talks with you at the Gates of Denerim along with everyone else in the, "Well, this is it..." pre final battle scene. You guys mention however that if you *don't* speak with her the bug doesn't happen, but as far as I can tell you *have* to speak to Morrigan in the scene along with everyone else. Regardless of that, if Morrigan's approval goes down, you can still get her back in Love with you via gifts like the Mirror or a crap load of Jewlery, but doing so causes you to loose the 'Ring' Epilogue but gain the 'Seeks Her Out,' Epilogue in Awakening. My questions are, Is there *any* reference to the Warden and Morrigan in the DAO Epilogue if you loose the 'Ring' slide? Also, has no one found a way, other than Terra_Ex's mod, to gain *both* Epilogues for DAO and DAA?