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[Bruddajakka]

Yeah the patch fixed the problem perfectly when I tested it.

[Brockololly]

UFOash wrote...

Hello, you'll forgive me if I'm too lazy to read through the 390 pages.

I was wondering on the topic on the front page, is this/will this be patched?

BAH! You're required to go through all 390 pages of ranting!

If you're talking about the Awakening epilogue bug with Morrigan, I doubt that will ever be fixed. However if you're talking about the Witch Hunt bug, that should be getting patched tomorrow for the PC and sometime this week or next for the consoles.

Barbarossa2010 wrote...
Ah well, I guess all is well since
they have achieved some measure of redemption in WH's ending.  They did
not have to produce it at all and it did say rather loud and clear to me
that the DA Team is a bit more responsive to the fan base than
I once believed.  Forgiveness is ours, not really David's.

True, I'm very glad we had the ending we received in Witch Hunt.....but I can't help but feel we're being lulled into a sense of complacency for when they eventually pull the rug out from underneath us Morrigan romancing Wardens again somehow, someway...

Collider wrote...

Does anyone have any tips on how to pace Morrigans' conversations?

Don't breeze through them too fast? As far as romancing her goes, you get some better and more entertaining if you turn her down when she goes all "Tis cold in my tent all alone." Just gently turn her down there and then later on strike up a conversation with her trying to get in her tent- basically tease her about it and its much more entertaining.

[UFOash]

Brockololly wrote...

UFOash wrote...

Hello, you'll forgive me if I'm too lazy to read through the 390 pages.

I was wondering on the topic on the front page, is this/will this be patched?

BAH! You're required to go through all 390 pages of ranting!

If you're talking about the Awakening epilogue bug with Morrigan, I doubt that will ever be fixed. However if you're talking about the Witch Hunt bug, that should be getting patched tomorrow for the PC and sometime this week or next for the consoles.

I don't know about the Witch Hunt bug (I've not even finish Origins yet! )
I was just worried about continuity because I'm considering romancing Morrigan.

Now from what I read on the front page it says some ending in Origins turns Morrigan from Love to Friendly, so people who romanced her don't get some kind of cinematic or something (because the game reads the friendly as "this dude didn't hit that").
So if you go from Origins-to Awakening-to Witch Hunt...does the game recognise that you romanced her in Origins? (presumably there is must be some kind of referance to a morrigan-romance in a DLC about morrigan)

Also, assuming the 390 (or 391 now ) pages aren't all about the OP, is this just kinda like a "Morrigan Fan Thread" now then?

Modifié par UFOash, 12 septembre 2010 - 09:11 .

[Brockololly]

UFOash wrote..
So if you go from Origins-to Awakening-to Witch Hunt...does the game recognise that you romanced her in Origins. (presumably there is must be some kind of referance to a morrigan-romance in a DLC about morrigan).

Well, what are you doing in the spoiler forum if you haven't finished Origins yet!? Be gone!

Without spoiling anything, there is a chance if you import from Origins to Awakening that the Morrigan romance will not be recognized. But in the big scheme of things the reference to Morrigan in Awakening is very small. The Witch Hunt bug isn't necessarily tied to her romance, and yeah, if you don't want to be spoiled, I'll leave it at that.

UFOash wrote..
Also, assuming the 390 (or 391 now ) pages aren't all about the OP, is this just kinda like a "Morrigan Fan Thread" now then?

We're far too classy to call this a Morrigan fan thread, thus its named The Morrigan Discussion and Research threadB) But yes, anything and everything Morrigan related (or Flemeth too I guess) can go here.

Modifié par Brockololly, 12 septembre 2010 - 09:16 .

[UFOash]

Brockololly wrote...

UFOash wrote..
So if you go from Origins-to Awakening-to Witch Hunt...does the game recognise that you romanced her in Origins. (presumably there is must be some kind of referance to a morrigan-romance in a DLC about morrigan).

Well, what are you doing in the spoiler forum if you haven't finished Origins yet!? Be gone!

Without spoiling anything, there is a chance if you import from Origins to Awakening that the Morrigan romance will not be recognized. But in the big scheme of things the reference to Morrigan in Awakening is very small. The Witch Hunt bug isn't necessarily tied to her romance, and yeah, if you don't want to be spoiled, I'll leave it at that.

UFOash wrote..
Also, assuming the 390 (or 391 now ) pages aren't all about the OP, is this just kinda like a "Morrigan Fan Thread" now then?

We're far too classy to call this a Morrigan fan thread, thus its named The Morrigan Discussion and Research threadB) But yes, anything and everything Morrigan related (or Flemeth too I guess) can go here.

Okay cool.

Well then I'll be back whenever.

Modifié par UFOash, 05 octobre 2010 - 10:08 .

[Terra_Ex]

[quote]Brockololly wrote...
I really hope they get the Baldur's Gate
narrator guy for DA2![smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/w00t.png[/smilie]
[/quote]

[quote]Brockololly
wrote...
I could speculate on Morrigan's whole "change" speech, but
maybe I'll hold that novel for tomorrow.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]
[/quote]
Feel
free to do so Brock, the origins boards have been somewhat lifeless of
late. Where be the thread regulars and our resident (and super talented) MorrixWarden artist? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]

[quote]Brockololly wrote...


That, combined with her reference to the Orlesian that Flemeth may
have had a larger role in the Blight than he realized or that FLemeth
isn't even human makes me wonder if perhaps Flemeth has a much larger
role in the Blight and perhaps some connection to the original darkspawn
as a Tevinter magister.
Especially after you chat with Avernus,
I always hoped they'd explore the Taint more thoroughly. It reminds me
of the Bhaalspawn essence and how you could turn into the Ravager in BG2
sort of. And I think Avernus mentions that the secrets of theTaint lie
with the Black City....
[/quote]
Yeah, the Avernus thread would be
nice to follow up at some point.

[quote]Brockololly wrote...
[quote]Barbarossa2010 wrote...
Ah well, I guess all is well since they have achieved some measure of redemption in WH's ending.  They did not have to produce it at all and it did say rather loud and clear to me that the DA Team is a bit more responsive to the fan base than I once believed.  Forgiveness is ours, not really David's.[/quote]

True, I'm very glad we had the ending we received in Witch Hunt.....but I can't help but feel we're being lulled into a sense of complacency for when they eventually pull the rug out from underneath us Morrigan romancing Wardens again somehow, someway...[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/ninja.png[/smilie]

[/quote]

Such is life as a Morri fan, though I do have renewed faith that moving forwards this thread will be followed up on based on the amount of effort that went into MorrixWarden in WH. While the mirror ending is probably about as "happy" as you're going to get considering whatever is brewing, there's a definite feel that you're jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire if you throw your lot in with Morrigan, which is why it's appropriate that she's still unwilling to reveal all. She brings up the issue of trust in the conversation and imo trust is an important facet of the morrigan romance/friendship. As I've said before, it's a very fitting ending, for now.

Since it's been a slow day, I'll let you know about the flags, no big revelations really. Taken from the witch hunt plot file, there are 3 separate flags that you can get at the end of Witch Hunt which are recorded in the auto-save:

STR_MORRIGAN_LEFT_ALONE
STR_MORRIGAN_LEFT_WITH_PLAYER
STR_MORRIGAN_STABBED

Pretty self explanatory, but good to know that the player's action is recorded. Of course flag 2 is infinitely more important to us than the other ones   The morrigan_stabbed flag in particular is a solid distinction between being killed, so hopefully there will be a follow up to that, while I wouldn't choose it for my canon playthroughs it'd be interesting.

[quote]Collider wrote...

Does anyone have any tips on how to pace Morrigans' conversations?[/quote]
Don't breeze through them too fast? As far as romancing her goes, you get some better and more entertaining if you turn her down when she goes all "Tis cold in my tent all alone." Just gently turn her down there and then later on strike up a conversation with her trying to get in her tent- basically tease her about it and its much more entertaining.

[/quote]
What Brock said, pace yourself and spread it out if possible. It's good to wait until after Morrigan's personal quest before beginning the romance, imo but there are a lot of ways to go about it.

[Bruddajakka]

I tend to start it right after we leave the swamp for the first time myself. Since her interactions with Wynne, and Leli tend to be pretty hilarious if your romancing her.

Yeah though considering she of all people should know what her Warden is capable of it's actually weird she's so reluctant to trust him with this. If any thing you figure he'd have proven he's willing to go to hell, and back to protect her. Though that might be why she melts so damn quickly when he says he wants to come with her.

Modifié par Bruddajakka, 12 septembre 2010 - 09:49 .

[Master Shiori]

Bruddajakka wrote...

I tend to start it right after we leave the swamp for the first time myself. Since her interactions with Wynne, and Leli tend to be pretty hilarious if your romancing her.

Yeah though considering she of all people should know what her Warden is capable of it's actually weird she's so reluctant to trust him with this. If any thing you figure he'd have proven he's willing to go to hell, and back to protect her. Though that might be why she melts so damn quickly when he says he wants to come with her.

I'd chuck it up to writers not wanting to throw us potential spoilers for DA2 and DA3.

I agree that Morri melts rather quickly when you offer to go with her through the mirror. Not surprised though, since it's clear by that point that she wants to be with the Warden but keeps trying to keep him out of it for his own sake.

Really, Morri is the kind of woman you need to take a stand with in order to let her know you're not afraid of what may come. Her reaction to your insistance that you come along is proof enough that she's glad to be reunited with you.

[Bruddajakka]

Yeah it's really bloody weird to see her, and the Warden actually grinning like that. Seriously at the best of times they might smirk but grinning happily is just bizarre.

[Master Shiori]

[quote]Terra_Ex wrote...

Feel free to do so Brock, the origins boards have been somewhat lifeless of
late. Where be the thread regulars and our resident (and super talented) MorrixWarden artist? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]
[/quote]

Ximena said she finally got rid of her art block and is back to working on the latest DW page.

As for me, I'm busy playing my new female Dalish Warden so I can import her into Witch Hunt.


[quote]Brockololly wrote...


That, combined with her reference to the Orlesian that Flemeth may
have had a larger role in the Blight than he realized or that FLemeth
isn't even human makes me wonder if perhaps Flemeth has a much larger
role in the Blight and perhaps some connection to the original darkspawn
as a Tevinter magister.
Especially after you chat with Avernus,
I always hoped they'd explore the Taint more thoroughly. It reminds me
of the Bhaalspawn essence and how you could turn into the Ravager in BG2
sort of. And I think Avernus mentions that the secrets of theTaint lie
with the Black City....
[/quote]

I was thinking about that and also about what the Architect said and came to the following idea: What if Flemeth had a hand in Architects creation?
I find it odd that suddenly after so many centuries of Blights and Archdemons there would be a single darkspawn who is immune to the call of the Old Gods and retains his free will.
Somebody or something must have created him. The question is why would Flemeth want to see the darkspawn freed?


[quote]Terra_Ex wrote...
[quote]Barbarossa2010 wrote...

Ah well, I guess all is well since they have achieved some measure of redemption in WH's ending.  They did not have to produce it at all and it did say rather loud and clear to me that the DA Team is a bit more responsive to the fan base than I once believed.  Forgiveness is ours, not really David's.[/quote]

True, I'm very glad we had the ending we received in Witch Hunt.....but I can't help but feel we're being lulled into a sense of complacency for when they eventually pull the rug out from underneath us Morrigan romancing Wardens again somehow, someway...[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/ninja.png[/smilie]

[/quote]

Such is life as a Morri fan, though I do have renewed faith that moving forwards this thread will be followed up on based on the amount of effort that went into MorrixWarden in WH. While the mirror ending is probably about as "happy" as you're going to get considering whatever is brewing, there's a definite feel that you're jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire if you throw your lot in with Morrigan, which is why it's appropriate that she's still unwilling to reveal all. She brings up the issue of trust in the conversation and imo trust is an important facet of the morrigan romance/friendship. As I've said before, it's a very fitting ending, for now.

Since it's been a slow day, I'll let you know about the flags, no big revelations really. Taken from the witch hunt plot file, there are 3 separate flags that you can get at the end of Witch Hunt which are recorded in the auto-save:

STR_MORRIGAN_LEFT_ALONE
STR_MORRIGAN_LEFT_WITH_PLAYER
STR_MORRIGAN_STABBED

Pretty self explanatory, but good to know that the player's action is recorded. Of course flag 2 is infinitely more important to us than the other ones   The morrigan_stabbed flag in particular is a solid distinction between being killed, so hopefully there will be a follow up to that, while I wouldn't choose it for my canon playthroughs it'd be interesting.
[/quote]

Thanks for posting those flags Terra.

I'm still shocked that anyone would choose to do the third one, but I'm also glad to see it confirmed that it's only a stab and not a fatal wound (not as if that was ever in doubt).

I'm also curious as to why David Gaider seems to constantly throw around refference to playing as the Warden again at some point. Since Dragon Age is supposed to be about stories set in Thedas I guess it's possible that we might have more than one story starring the same protagonist, just not in quick succesion.
The ending to Witch Hunt was truly great imo. A fitting reward to all us Morrigan fans who got denied closure in Origins and didn't get anything in Awakening.
I'm not sure that they have something bad planned for Morrigan and the Warden in the future, though I get the feeling they both still have important roles left to play (especially Morrigan).

[Brockololly]

Terra_Ex wrote...
Feel free to do so Brock, the origins boards have been somewhat lifeless of late. Where be the thread regulars and our resident (and super talented) MorrixWarden artist? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]

Figured this thread would get quiet now that its all about DA2 for the time being not to mention we likely won't get any juicy Flemeth/Morrigan speculation until we're able to play DA2 since that seems to be BioWare's big secret.

I'll post up some speculation later, I suppose:wizard:

Terra_Ex wrote...
While the mirror ending is probably about as "happy" as you're going to get considering whatever is brewing, there's a definite feel that you're jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire if you throw your lot in with Morrigan, which is why it's appropriate that she's still unwilling to reveal all. She brings up the issue of trust in the conversation and imo trust is an important facet of the morrigan romance/friendship.

Yeah, stepping through the mirror with Morrigan is very much a leap of faith and trust in Morrigan. I think its pretty much the Warden going all in with whatever Morrigan has brewing as well. If the Warden had stayed behind, maybe they'd be able to be on th elookout for Flemeth or whatever change Morrigan warns of, but on the other hand going with Morrigan puts a target on the Warden for anyone like Flemeth that may be against Morrigan as well.

Terra_Ex wrote...
Since it's been a slow day, I'll let you know about the flags, no big revelations really. Taken from the witch hunt plot file, there are 3 separate flags that you can get at the end of Witch Hunt which are recorded in the auto-save:

STR_MORRIGAN_LEFT_ALONE
STR_MORRIGAN_LEFT_WITH_PLAYER
STR_MORRIGAN_STABBED

Pretty self explanatory, but good to know that the player's action is recorded. Of course flag 2 is infinitely more important to us than the other ones   The morrigan_stabbed flag in particular is a solid distinction between being killed, so hopefully there will be a follow up to that, while I wouldn't choose it for my canon playthroughs it'd be interesting.

Good stuff Terra!

It will be interesting to see how Morrigan may or may not factor into DA2, and in turn how those plot flags could factor in. I'm not sure how Morrigan's fate would necessarily factor into DA2 though- she ends up in Mirror World regardless. Perhaps we run into Ariane or Finn and they tell what happened at the Eluvian? Or maybe those flags are bing kept for safe keeping for DA3? 

Presumably, the STR_MORRIGAN_LEFT_WITH_PLAYER flag is essentially the romance flag since only romancing Wardens can go in the mirror with Morrigan. It will be interesting to see how that plays out though, with the stabbing ending and everything too. Can't imagine Morrigan being too pleased with that:pinched:

Unless of course they've caught on that intrepid modders and tech savvy people check the flags, so they named it simply STR_MORRIGAN_STABBED and not MORRIGAN_KILLED. But given all of Morrigan's plot armor, I doubt they'd kill her off in a DLC no less.

I'm really wondering how the import will work into DA2 and just how they'll keep track of everything going forward into future games down the road too. Given how the import into Awakening and now Witch Hunt has been messed up, I'm concerned how they're planning on keeping all the other flags straight going from DAO to DA2 and then conceivably to DA3.

Modifié par Brockololly, 12 septembre 2010 - 10:13 .

[Brockololly]

Master Shiori wrote..
As for me, I'm busy playing my new female Dalish Warden so I can import her into Witch Hunt.

Nice- I'm thinking of maybe taking my DW Cousland into Awakening then cap it off with Witch Hunt as my "canon" playthrough. Then maybe I'll actually try out a rogue Cousland and then one last Amell run before DA2. For the life of me, I cannot finish a dwarven or elf run though. It just seems so weird romancing Morrigan witha a dwarf or elf.

But the neat thing with DA is the notion of playing as radically different PCs from game to game yet having the choices carry through. WIth my DW Cousland I'm thinking of having my "canon" Hawke be an evil female mage that sides with Flemeth. Could be interesting....

Master Shiori wrote..
I was thinking about that and also about what the Architect said and came to the following idea: What if Flemeth had a hand in Architects creation?
I find it odd that suddenly after so many centuries of Blights and Archdemons there would be a single darkspawn who is immune to the call of the Old Gods and retains his free will.
Somebody or something must have created him. The question is why would Flemeth want to see the darkspawn freed?

I'm convinced after Witch Hunt and the dialogue Morrigan has with an Orlesian Warden that whatever it is Morrigan found out about Flemeth has something to do with the Darkspawn or the Taint or the Tevinter magisters. Or possibly that Morrigan found out about Flemeth not being human and all that from Flemeth's true grimoire and thats the "gift" she gives you. Then you've got the fact that on Flemeth's true grimoire is that leafless tree, which is the same one as in the intro movie of Origins when they show the Magisters being tainted. Something is afoot there and I'm guessing there is some connection between Flemeth and the Old Gods and the Darkspawn....but I think thats the subject of a future epic speculation post:wizard:

Master Shiori wrote..
I'm also curious as to why David Gaider seems to constantly throw around refference to playing as the Warden again at some point. Since Dragon Age is supposed to be about stories set in Thedas I guess it's possible that we might have more than one story starring the same protagonist, just not in quick succesion.

Again, if DA2 is all about the setup and it turns out Flemeth has something to do with the darkspawn, thats the perfect opportunity to bring back the Warden- Hero of Ferelden or Orlesian. And in that initial Game Informer article in their interview with Zeschuk and Muzyka they said this about how continuity between DA games could work:

How does BioWare approach continuing the Dragon Age franchise without having direct story progression from one entry to the next?
Greg Zeschuk: We see the world of Dragon Age as having a huge range of potential stories around the intriguing historical events of the timeline, and we love having the option of exploring different events and possibilities. Sometimes our content will directly link events and at other times (like in the case of Dragon Age II) we'll provide a different and unique view of events that are familiar or were partially explored in other Dragon Age games.

So maybe that means Hawke comes back as the PC in DA3 or maybe the Warden or maybe somebody else. I'd imagine it largely depends on what the story calls for. And at this juncture we know they have plans on continuing Morrigan's story. And who has the most connection to Morrigan? The Warden....

Modifié par Brockololly, 12 septembre 2010 - 10:45 .

[Bruddajakka]

Or hell it could end being along the lines of Drakengard 2, and Hawke ends up as the villain of DA3 so the Warden has to fight him.

[Bruddajakka]

Yeah I'm pretty happy with it but I would have liked another expansion. Plus at the rate they were reusing Origin settings I swore I was going to end up in Castle Cousland, and the Alienage at some point.

[ximena]

Master Shiori wrote...

Terra_Ex wrote...

Feel free to do so Brock, the origins boards have been somewhat lifeless of
late. Where be the thread regulars and our resident (and super talented) MorrixWarden artist? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]

Ximena said she finally got rid of her art block and is back to working on the latest DW page.

Oh sorry for being inactive as of late. XD I had too much fun designing m!OGB. This is a collaboration between chronicdoodler of dA and me. chronicdoodler.deviantart.com/art/OGB3-Collaboration-178960927 (Yess. This is homage to the Morrigan concept art with the ogre at her back. XD )



I hope we're allowed to discuss Morrigan's son here too? XD

And yeah. I've started working on DW pages. Would be releasing them in a huge dump so the wait's gonna be longer this time around. XD

But do not fret for the lack of Morrigan art! You do know I feed you guys something when the page hits another hundred.

Modifié par ximena, 13 septembre 2010 - 02:38 .

[Revya]

Bruddajakka wrote...

Or hell it could end being along the lines of Drakengard 2, and Hawke ends up as the villain of DA3 so the Warden has to fight him.

Drakengard 2 Never existed Nier is the true sequel to Drakengard...Cavia why why have you died , may the ones that killed ypu be eaten by a Dragon

Modifié par Revya, 13 septembre 2010 - 02:40 .

[Brockololly]

ximena wrote...
Oh sorry for being inactive as of late. XD I had too much fun designing m!OGB. This is a collaboration between chronicdoodler of dA and me. chronicdoodler.deviantart.com/art/OGB3-Collaboration-178960927 (Yess. This is homage to the Morrigan concept art with the ogre at her back. XD )

Very nice- I like how the robes are the same color as Morrigan's and all. Its funny- I remember waaaay back when they first released some that Origins concept art with Morrigan and the Ogre and everyone was convinced Morrigan was actually the Ogre all shapeshifted. Hahaha

ximena wrote...
I hope we're allowed to discuss Morrigan's son here too? XD

Anything and everything Morrigan related!

ximena wrote...
And yeah. I've started working on DW pages. Would be releasing them in a huge dump so the wait's gonna be longer this time around. XD

Niiiiiice. Art dumps=

ximena wrote...
But do not fret for the lack of Morrigan art! You do know I feed you guys something when the page hits another hundred.

*begins thinking of spamming thread with Morrigan pics to get to 400 pages*

[Bruddajakka]

Hmmm is she actually wearing the gear you have on her during the end of the game?

[Brockololly]

Bruddajakka wrote...

Hmmm is she actually wearing the gear you have on her during the end of the game?

You mean like if you had her in Massive armor at the end of Origins would Morrigan show up in Massive armor in Witch Hunt? No, I don't think so- she is wearingh her trademark robes regardless, I 'm pretty sure. Kind of wish they gave her a new outfit for the DLC, maybe like the Sacred Ashes robes. That would have been neat.

[Bruddajakka]

Yeah would have suited her well as a Mother. Though I think Xime has made me really bias when it comes to that look for her. Just curious because she's using Wintersbreath in that shot, and she always has it on her in my games once I get her magic high enough.

[ximena]

Bruddajakka wrote...

Yeah would have suited her well as a Mother. Though I think Xime has made me really bias when it comes to that look for her. Just curious because she's using Wintersbreath in that shot, and she always has it on her in my games once I get her magic high enough.

Hurrhurr. I think the first screen is from Origins. XD 

[Bruddajakka]

Blah...and I'm not joking when I think of Morrigan post DR I picture her in those robes, and it's mainly because of you.

[Brockololly]

ximena wrote...

Bruddajakka wrote...

Yeah would have suited her well as a Mother. Though I think Xime has made me really bias when it comes to that look for her. Just curious because she's using Wintersbreath in that shot, and she always has it on her in my games once I get her magic high enough.

Hurrhurr. I think the first screen is from Origins. XD 

Ah yes- thats one of my screens from the Temple when chatting with Genetivi about the Ashes. Pretty sure that is Wintersbreath too- I always seem to spec out Morrigan with the cold spells...

As for her robes and look as a MorriMom in Witch Hunt, yeah, she sure shaped up pretty quickly and rather nicely so soon after her pregnancy for Witch Hunt, eh?

Modifié par Brockololly, 13 septembre 2010 - 04:04 .

[Bruddajakka]

Well she was in pretty incredible shape before she got pregnant but yeah post pregnancy you figure she would have gone for something a little more demure, and warmer if she was up in the Frostbacks.