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[soundchaser721]

Obadiah wrote...

Bruddajakka wrote...

Gaider explained that one in detail a few months back.

Morrigan's original plan was to wait until the Grey Wardens of Orlais arrived and then pick one of them to sire the OGB with no strings attached.

Since the battle of Denerim came faster than anyone expected, she was forced to do the ritual with the Warden or Alistair/Loghain (if the Warden refused and/or was female).

The reason she didn't pick the Warden for the DR right from the start (read: Korcari Wilds) was because of her feelings towards him, which she knew would complicate things in the long run.

That's why the whole DR was supposed to be so difficult for both the Warden and Morrigan. She knew this was something that had to be done, yet came to regret the fact that she'll leave her lover and never see him again. It is also likely that she knew he'd be unwilling to let her go and forget what was between them.

Though you get the feeling that by that point it became less about the OGB, and more about saving the man she was in love with, or her only friend.

Didn't Morrigan say that was why her mother saved you sent her with you to begin with - to have the kid? If her plan was just have the kid with any Grey Warden, why not just wait for the Orlesians to begin with? Why save the noob Wardens at all?

Good point, it kinda defeats the purpose of the warden's involvement in the game, really. But why was morrigan hesitant to go through with the DR with the warden from the beginning? Did she know that she was going to fall in love with him when flemeth sent her off at the start of the game?

[KendallX23]

do we know for sure that Flemeth posses her daughters to get a new body ?she is a shapeshifter after all...she can change looks...and since she ain't human or elf...heh..not even an abomination...maybe Morrigan wanted her killed for another reason....so much mystery with this two characters...glad we see more of Flemeth in DA2 though...

at any rate...Morrigan must be one of the most mysterious and interesting chars in gaming...

[Bruddajakka]

Who knows. I still find it ironic that she ends up with a Cousland if your a human noble considering Flemeth's supposed history.

[ximena]

soundchaser721 wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

Bruddajakka wrote...

Gaider explained that one in detail a few months back.

Morrigan's original plan was to wait until the Grey Wardens of Orlais arrived and then pick one of them to sire the OGB with no strings attached.

Since the battle of Denerim came faster than anyone expected, she was forced to do the ritual with the Warden or Alistair/Loghain (if the Warden refused and/or was female).

The reason she didn't pick the Warden for the DR right from the start (read: Korcari Wilds) was because of her feelings towards him, which she knew would complicate things in the long run.

That's why the whole DR was supposed to be so difficult for both the Warden and Morrigan. She knew this was something that had to be done, yet came to regret the fact that she'll leave her lover and never see him again. It is also likely that she knew he'd be unwilling to let her go and forget what was between them.

Though you get the feeling that by that point it became less about the OGB, and more about saving the man she was in love with, or her only friend.

Didn't Morrigan say that was why her mother saved you sent her with you to begin with - to have the kid? If her plan was just have the kid with any Grey Warden, why not just wait for the Orlesians to begin with? Why save the noob Wardens at all?

Good point, it kinda defeats the purpose of the warden's involvement in the game, really. But why was morrigan hesitant to go through with the DR with the warden from the beginning? Did she know that she was going to fall in love with him when flemeth sent her off at the start of the game?

Well Flemeth does seem to have foresight. Perhaps she already knew that those two noob wardens would be the only ones to gather that army and fight against the archdemon.



Regarding the Magi boon

I couldn't remember which dev answered it, but they said that it's not easy to get the chantry to say yes to that. The Chantry stands higher than the crown after all.

I do think that one of her reasons for leaving is because she wouldn't be able to raise that child with such a popular crowd. 

[Bruddajakka]

It ends up being a bad situation for her pretty much. The Warden ends up becoming immensely popular, and all of the companions would end up under pretty intense scrutiny. It's one thing being an Apostate traveling around during a civil war but a pregnant Apostate in the Capital city filled with Templar's, and the Chantry is just asking for trouble. So as much as she might have wanted to stay she just couldn't. Though I am surprised she didn't ask the Warden to come with her. Oh well works out well in the end, and you do get a happy ending so to speak.

Modifié par Bruddajakka, 14 septembre 2010 - 04:09 .

[Brockololly]

ximena wrote..
Well Flemeth does seem to have foresight. Perhaps she already knew that those two noob wardens would be the only ones to gather that army and fight against the archdemon.

Flemeth most definitely has some sort of prophetic, see into the future type powers. You see it in The Stolen Throne when she tells Maric about Loghain and about the coming Blight then again even when she says Jory is irrelevent in Origins. I've got some epic posts brewing in my head on Flemeth and Morrigan's "choice" speech...just need the time to type it out=]

ximena wrote..
Regarding the Magi boon I couldn't remember which dev answered it, but they said that it's not easy to get the chantry to say yes to that. The Chantry stands higher than the crown after all.

Here:

David Gaider wrote...

It does come up, actually.

Keep in mind, however, that the kingdom doesn't control the Circle of Magi. That conversation no doubt went a little like this:

King/Queen: "We would like mages in Ferelden to be free."
Chantry: "No."

That said, the conversation doesn't necessarily stop there-- as you'll see.  We can indeed pick up the boons the Origins player was granted and do intend to use them in the future.

ximena wrote..
I do think that one of her reasons for leaving is because she wouldn't be able to raise that child with such a popular crowd. 

Yeah, being the Hero of Ferelden, I doubt Morrigan would be able to just chill in Denerim being a pregnant apostate and all. Still, I wonder why the Warden couldn't have just disappeared with her at a later date- although I guess they did eventually go off into MIrror World, so all is well that ends well:wizard:

Modifié par Brockololly, 14 septembre 2010 - 04:02 .

[Bruddajakka]

And you have to wonder if Morrigan has a bit of the foresight gift as well. So it's possible she could have foreseen the events that would happen during Awakening, and what the Warden would need to do there as well. He does end up much stronger for it all around.

Modifié par Bruddajakka, 14 septembre 2010 - 04:36 .

[Bruddajakka]

She doesn't. She does say something about you going to your Destiny, and she to hers. It's a pretty board statement so it depends on how you look at it. If your asking is there a blatant statement she makes about it then no there isn't. That doesn't make it impossible.

[Brockololly]

Bruddajakka wrote...

And you have to wonder if Morrigan has a bit of the foresight gift as well. 

Well you do have Morrigan's talk of change in Witch Hunt or her saying how Flemeth is no more finished than she is.
Hardly prophetic necessarily, considering Morrigan obviously knows far more about various things than she is willing to share with the Warden, but who knows....

For all of Morrigan's talk of destiny at the end of Origins and WItch Hunt, I wonder if Flemeth didn't foretell Morrigan's future to her and thats why Morrigan seems to be resigned to her fate in a way?

Modifié par Brockololly, 14 septembre 2010 - 04:50 .

[Bruddajakka]

Maybe...though knowing Flemeth she did it in such a way that it served her purposes. And gift of foresight or not I honestly get the feeling that she didn't expect for the Warden to kill her. Mainly due to how damn dismissive she seems when your talking to her. I honestly got the impression she expected the Warden to take her up on the offer to leave with the book.

[Brockololly]

Bruddajakka wrote...

Maybe...though knowing Flemeth she did it in such a way that it served her purposes. And gift of foresight or not I honestly get the feeling that she didn't expect for the Warden to kill her. Mainly due to how damn dismissive she seems when your talking to her. I honestly got the impression she expected the Warden to take her up on the offer to leave with the book.

Oh yeah, I don't think Morrigan expected to be shivved. I'm just thinking that clearly Flemeth groomed Morrigan for a specific purpose- Morrigan says as much in some of the Origins banter- and even how the DR is what Flemeth planned for Morrigan.

The question is, is Morrigan totally acting on her own now apart from Flemeth or is she somehow being played by Flemeth still? Is she unknowingly still just a puppet being strung along by Flemeth?

Thats what worries me with the DR- Morrigan supposedly just found out that her mother is going to snatch her body and yet she goes through with this magical Ritual taught to her by her body snatching mother anyway? Would you really trust that magic considering it came from Flemeth?

[Bruddajakka]

Probably not. But I think the Warden ends up being a big spanner in her works. It seems like she spent Morrigan's entire life up to that point keep her isolated, and separate from others so she wouldn't develop attachments to any one else. Especially hearing about how she was supposed to let some random Warden knock her up. The fact she ended up falling in love with the Warden, and he in love with her totally screwed her plans over.



Like she says there's much about the Warden's future she can't see. So he ends up being a big spanner in her plans.

[Bruddajakka]

I don't know about that I think at a certain point in her relationship with the Warden Morrigan's resolve to go through with the DR starts to unravel probably around the time she gets the Black Grimoire then as things getting further along the less she wants to proceed with it especially once she finds out what Flemeth intends for her but the battle with the Archdemon arrives too quickly and the only way she can see to protect her Warden/Sister is to proceed with the ritual. Otherwise he's going to die, and she can't handle that. She can't handle the only person she's ever loved/cared for dying like that. Because you don't just die. Everything that you are is obliterated.



And she's honestly not that good an actor when it comes to her emotions. She wears her heart on her sleeve.

[Brockololly]

And on the topic of destiny, fate and prophecy and all that- regarding the Warden remember the encounter with Gaxkang where he says: "Eyes are on you from a very high vantage, Grey Warden."



Makes it seem like the Warden has caught the attention of high ups in the Fade and such. Now maybe thats just the Warden's role in ending the Blight or maybe its something more for the future and DA3, maybe?

[Brockololly]

Bruddajakka wrote...

I don't know about that I think at a certain point in her relationship with the Warden Morrigan's resolve to go through with the DR starts to unravel probably around the time she gets the Black Grimoire then as things getting further along the less she wants to proceed with it especially once she finds out what Flemeth intends for her but the battle with the Archdemon arrives too quickly and the only way she can see to protect her Warden/Sister is to proceed with the ritual. Otherwise he's going to die, and she can't handle that. She can't handle the only person she's ever loved/cared for dying like that. Because you don't just die. Everything that you are is obliterated.

And she's honestly not that good an actor when it comes to her emotions. She wears her heart on her sleeve.

That makes alot of sense, except how do unfriendly Wardens factor in? Surely Morrigan wouldn't be doing the DR to save a Warden she doesn't care for. So even if Morrigan has doubts about the DR she must be doing it  for some personal reason too, despite any unease she has due to its connection to Flemeth. But then again, there is that one line in the DR where she explicitly says she trusts Flemeth's magic....

[Bruddajakka]

It's hard to say really. I always got the impression the Warden had a strong connection to the Fade. Even despite being a Dwarf in some cases. Hell he functions better there then some Mages do. Even some who supposed have it shining out of their bum.

Trust her Magic is one thing. When it comes to Magic Flemeth obviously knows her stuff. She's probably the strongest, and oldest Mage in all of Thedes. And in the case of a Warden she doesn't like it can probably be chalked up to her having not gone through the same realizations she would have gone with in the case of a Warden she's in love with or friends with. So she's sticking with the original plan.

Modifié par Bruddajakka, 14 septembre 2010 - 06:05 .

[Myusha]

I can still remember Morrigan's best scenes....

Meeting Her...

Getting her in your group...

Killing the Circle...

Her Dream...

Her Fight Against Flemeth...

Her Romance...

The Ring...

The Tiny Fort Drakon Reference to the Ring...

The Dark Ritual...

The Mirror...

Ah...I may just make saves of these scenes so I can enjoy Morrigan Goodness. XD

[SirOccam]

Brockololly wrote...

Okay sorry for the tangent, but what line of dialogue precedes the line in the image above? I've yet to hear it.

Modifié par SirOccam, 14 septembre 2010 - 06:20 .

[Bruddajakka]

There's a cunning dialogue line apparently.

[Brockololly]

SirOccam wrote...
Okay sorry for the tangent, but what line of dialogue precedes the line in the image above? I've yet to hear it.

Its if you ask for answers I think...let me check my screens...here we go:

This is from one of my buggy ones where she thought I turned down the DR




I think if you pick the persuade option is where she'll say "Always the charmer."