MKDAWUSS wrote...
IDK, Morrigan's child (OGB or not - I think she has one regardless of DR or romance) could make for an interesting PC for DA3. From the sounds of it, the OGB is unaware of his status (making for another classic BioWare punchline [kinda like Revan and Maric's son] and this time around you get to possibly have one of several pending what choices you made!), and no doubt has a big role to play.
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
MKDAWUSS wrote...
IDK, Morrigan's child (OGB or not - I think she has one regardless of DR or romance) could make for an interesting PC for DA3. From the sounds of it, the OGB is unaware of his status (making for another classic BioWare punchline [kinda like Revan and Maric's son] and this time around you get to possibly have one of several pending what choices you made!), and no doubt has a big role to play.
Problem is, OGB is male. Having a male only PC is the recipee for revolution.
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Yeah, I'm guessing DA2 starts out with Hawke sort of unknowingly setting Flemeth's plans or the Big Change into motion then for most of the game not hearing much about it. Then towards the end it becomes clear that Hawke was used by Flemeth or something and at the end Flemeth's role comes into the open and that (hopefully!) sets the stage for Morrigan, the Warden and the OGB's return in DA3.KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Brockololly wrote...
Yeah, I really hope we go to the Black City...based on the PAX chat with Gaider its seems in DA2 we'll only be briefly visiting the Fade. So like so much else with Morrigan, Flemeth, the Warden and the Old God Baby, at best it would seem we'll have to wait until DA3 to maybe get some more information...
Makes you wonder how Hawke is going to become "the most important person" in Thedas.
I think Hawke has something to do with the "beginning" of whatever it is Flemeth is planing / world change.
Well, the OGB isn't even the only child Morrigan could have- she might have a perfectly normal, non Old God son too. But its not a given that Morrigan gets pregnant at the end of Origins- its only if you did the DR (get OGB) or if you simply had sex with her (get normal son). SO the possibility is there that you may not even have a son of Morrigan in your playthrough.KnightofPhoenix wrote...
MKDAWUSS wrote...
IDK,
Morrigan's child (OGB or not - I think she has one regardless of DR or
romance) could make for an interesting PC for DA3. From the sounds of
it, the OGB is unaware of his status (making for another classic BioWare
punchline [kinda like Revan and Maric's son] and this time around you
get to possibly have one of several pending what choices you made!), and
no doubt has a big role to play.
Problem is, OGB is male. Having a male only PC is the recipee for revolution.
Well, of course people tastes are going to be different. It seems pretty clear that if there is a child, OBG or Normal, its a boy... that kind of FUBAR's female players from playing a female character.MKDAWUSS wrote...
Ash Wind wrote...
Hit that scene on a recent playthrough for WH and was thinking the exact same thing. I always thought it meant probably Loghain/Howe types, but this time Gaxkang seemed to be beyond just the petty politics of the moment and to infer something bigger.Brockololly wrote...
And on the topic of destiny, fate and prophecy and all that- regarding the Warden remember the encounter with Gaxkang where he says: "Eyes are on you from a very high vantage, Grey Warden."
Makes it seem like the Warden has caught the attention of high ups in the Fade and such. Now maybe thats just the Warden's role in ending the Blight or maybe its something more for the future and DA3, maybe?
But the Warden for DA:3 is too much to hope for. We have the uninteresting Timmy Hawke... DA:3 will probably be the new adventures of Keith Stone... the most important person in the DA world... Seriously... We mean it this time.
IDK, Morrigan's child (OGB or not - I think she has one regardless of DR or romance) could make for an interesting PC for DA3. From the sounds of it, the OGB is unaware of his status (making for another classic BioWare punchline [kinda like Revan and Maric's son] and this time around you get to possibly have one of several pending what choices you made!), and no doubt has a big role to play.
Brockololly wrote...
phaonica wrote...
That could be very cool, indeed. Something like, maybe it is not immortality that Flemeth (and/or Morrigan) seeks but divinity? When I was thinking about the 'change' Morrigan spoke of (and how I had compared it to the Architect's plan earlier), I had a vague idea that, in the same way that mankind was corrupted and changed into darkspawn, I wonder if people could be changed and ascended into something "divine", perhaps something more like the Tevinter mages sought when they first tried to reach the Golden City.
Now thats an interesting theory I hadn't heard of as yet! Very interesting....I'll probably type up some massive post sometime this week, but the thing with Morrigan's "change" speech is that in some ways it reminds me of Uldred's talk about how Mages were but a larval form of something greater and he was intent on giving them the "gift" of becoming an abomination whether they wanted it or not.
Now I don't think Morrigan wants to turn everyone into abominations, but maybe there is some reverse Taint- instead of being corrupted it endows the person with "divine" Old God like magical powers and abilities?
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phaonica wrote...
That could be very cool, indeed. Something like, maybe it is not immortality that Flemeth (and/or Morrigan) seeks but divinity? When I was thinking about the 'change' Morrigan spoke of (and how I had compared it to the Architect's plan earlier), I had a vague idea that, in the same way that mankind was corrupted and changed into darkspawn, I wonder if people could be changed and ascended into something "divine", perhaps something more like the Tevinter mages sought when they first tried to reach the Golden City.
I agree. Having the OGB as a companion instead of the PC (which I doubt they ever planned to do anyway) would be a lot more interesting imo. I don't think I would want to play Morrigan's romance and her son. That could just get awkward....Ash Wind wrote...
Just my opinion, but I have less interest in playing OBG than I do Hawke. As a companion, I think Male OBG would be awesome... ten times more if the PC is the Warden. Finding out his destiny, guiding him along... protecting and trying to influence him. The possibilities are amazing.
Axekix wrote...
I agree. Having the OGB as a companion instead of the PC (which I doubt they ever planned to do anyway) would be a lot more interesting imo. I don't think I would want to play Morrigan's romance and her son. That could just get awkward....Ash Wind wrote...
Just my opinion, but I have less interest in playing OBG than I do Hawke. As a companion, I think Male OBG would be awesome... ten times more if the PC is the Warden. Finding out his destiny, guiding him along... protecting and trying to influence him. The possibilities are amazing.
I'd love to destroy the Chantry. Would Morrigan be interseted in that or would she be bothered?Ash Wind wrote...
MKDAWUSS wrote...
Is it possible that Flemeth had a role in creating the Blight so the Old Gods to be released to basically uproot the Chantry? That could create an interesting dynamic, and totally gray things up by making it a fight between (what we'll call) the Second Tevinter Empire and the Chantry.
But then again, IDK if BW wants to get into religion all that much...
Possibly... or saw it coming and decided to take advantage
****Possible The Stolen Throne and The Calling Spoilers******
In the Calling, Maric reveals that (in The Stolen Throne) the Witch of the Wilds told him he would not live to see the next Blight. Whether its occurs by her design or she simply knows its coming are the unknown... But she clearly has an insight into when the next one was to occur.
Maybe Morrigan will appoint herself Queen of the World, with the Warden by her side?Brockololly wrote...
phaonica wrote...
That could be very cool, indeed. Something like, maybe it is not immortality that Flemeth (and/or Morrigan) seeks but divinity? When I was thinking about the 'change' Morrigan spoke of (and how I had compared it to the Architect's plan earlier), I had a vague idea that, in the same way that mankind was corrupted and changed into darkspawn, I wonder if people could be changed and ascended into something "divine", perhaps something more like the Tevinter mages sought when they first tried to reach the Golden City.
Now thats an interesting theory I hadn't heard of as yet! Very interesting....I'll probably type up some massive post sometime this week, but the thing with Morrigan's "change" speech is that in some ways it reminds me of Uldred's talk about how Mages were but a larval form of something greater and he was intent on giving them the "gift" of becoming an abomination whether they wanted it or not.
Now I don't think Morrigan wants to turn everyone into abominations, but maybe there is some reverse Taint- instead of being corrupted it endows the person with "divine" Old God like magical powers and abilities? But as far as Morrigan's plan goes, II'm wondering if maybe she wants the power of an Old God herself? In the toolset, despite being outdated in Morrigan's character description, it says this:Morrigan lacks the will to care about most things enough to excite herself over them. Her primary concern is her survival. She has a difficult time relating to other people, and feels extremely vulnerable outside of the marsh. Her sense of humor is dark and twisted, and she finds the most morbid things amusing.
Her primary goal is to gain skills and knowledge and become a powerful sorceress in her own right. She believes that having a child with the PC's blood will give her access to this power.
So obviously, DR or not, Morrigan thinks she can get more power via the Eluvians and Mirror World. But power to what end? Power for herself? Power for the OGB? Power to stop Flemeth? Or power to herald in the change into the world? WHAT IS HER PLAN? Ugh.....
Bioware definitely wo't be the first to do so, and I agree completely with your metaphors. The Vatican can't do nothing to them if it stays witin creative bounds, like singing a song about religion or something. The only thing that makes me doubt this is the fact that there's magic in DA.MKDAWUSS wrote...
phaonica wrote...
Brockololly wrote...
I hope BioWare gets more into the religion though- they don't need to have the Maker come down or anything crazy like that, but if they explored more of the religion from the "What qualifies as divine?" sort of angle that might be neat. Maybe have the Old God Baby once he's a bit older go around all Jesus like performing miracles with some people worshipping him like Andraste while he may not be divine necessarily but simply have the soul of an Old God, which for all we know is just the soul of a dragon. Is that truly divine? Is that truly worth worshipping?
That could be very cool, indeed. Something like, maybe it is not immortality that Flemeth (and/or Morrigan) seeks but divinity? When I was thinking about the 'change' Morrigan spoke of (and how I had compared it to the Architect's plan earlier), I had a vague idea that, in the same way that mankind was corrupted and changed into darkspawn, I wonder if people could be changed and ascended into something "divine", perhaps something more like the Tevinter mages sought when they first tried to reach the Golden City.
It's going to have to be something that's done right - if not, it could be a big disappointment if not something that's either borderline or outright offensive, considering we are dealing with religions here. We have the Chantry which more or less comes off as the Catholic Church; Andraste as this combination of Jesus and Joan of Arc; the Revered Mothers as priests, Grand Clerics as bishops, and Divines as the Pope...
IDK if EAWare really wants a horde of outraged Catholics and possibly The Vatican to come down against them...
How will people take that all in all? Hawke being the most important person? I know a lot of people who will hate the idea. I'm already beginnng to hate the character of Hawke. But I won't judge too harshly until I play the game.KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Brockololly wrote...
Yeah, I really hope we go to the Black City...based on the PAX chat with Gaider its seems in DA2 we'll only be briefly visiting the Fade. So like so much else with Morrigan, Flemeth, the Warden and the Old God Baby, at best it would seem we'll have to wait until DA3 to maybe get some more information...
Makes you wonder how Hawke is going to become "the most important person" in Thedas.
I think Hawke has something to do with the "beginning" of whatever it is Flemeth is planing / world change.
Maybe he'll be a powerful endgame recruit in another game, or be like an npc who you see a lot and do lots of quests for and then OMG he could have done it all himself.Brockololly wrote...
Yeah, I'm guessing DA2 starts out with Hawke sort of unknowingly setting Flemeth's plans or the Big Change into motion then for most of the game not hearing much about it. Then towards the end it becomes clear that Hawke was used by Flemeth or something and at the end Flemeth's role comes into the open and that (hopefully!) sets the stage for Morrigan, the Warden and the OGB's return in DA3.KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Brockololly wrote...
Yeah, I really hope we go to the Black City...based on the PAX chat with Gaider its seems in DA2 we'll only be briefly visiting the Fade. So like so much else with Morrigan, Flemeth, the Warden and the Old God Baby, at best it would seem we'll have to wait until DA3 to maybe get some more information...
Makes you wonder how Hawke is going to become "the most important person" in Thedas.
I think Hawke has something to do with the "beginning" of whatever it is Flemeth is planing / world change.
Of course, maybe Hawke is the most important guy in Thedas, but with the Warden potentially in Mirror World, beyond the Fade, The Warden is the most important guy in the whole universe now.Well, the OGB isn't even the only child Morrigan could have- she might have a perfectly normal, non Old God son too. But its not a given that Morrigan gets pregnant at the end of Origins- its only if you did the DR (get OGB) or if you simply had sex with her (get normal son). SO the possibility is there that you may not even have a son of Morrigan in your playthrough.KnightofPhoenix wrote...
MKDAWUSS wrote...
IDK,
Morrigan's child (OGB or not - I think she has one regardless of DR or
romance) could make for an interesting PC for DA3. From the sounds of
it, the OGB is unaware of his status (making for another classic BioWare
punchline [kinda like Revan and Maric's son] and this time around you
get to possibly have one of several pending what choices you made!), and
no doubt has a big role to play.
Problem is, OGB is male. Having a male only PC is the recipee for revolution.
The fact that they mentioned the OGB as being male makes me wonder if that hurts the possibility of playing as him as the PC down the road. Or maybe DA3 or whenever the OGB takes a major role, the possibility of playing as him is like an Origin story?
Modifié par Shade of Wolf, 15 septembre 2010 - 04:16 .
Probably not until at least Microsoft certifies the patch.Morrigans God son wrote...
Does anybody have a general idea when the patches will be out for Witch Hunt?
To me, if the OGB isn't a major part in the world of DA where you did the DR that really shows that BioWare doesn't give a hoot for actually following through with choice and consequence in their games. Gaider has said the DR is the one biggest choice in Origins. From theeir telemetry, they likely know how many people have done the DR. To just relegate the OGB to an epilogue slide or rumor would be a terrible decision- why bother with the DR choice in the first place if nothing ever comes of it?Jacks Smirking Revenge wrote...
I think BioWare has backed themselves into a corner with the OGB. They can either canonize him or make him a subtle part of the game.
I'm thinking the latter, so I'm not expecting any tangible things about the OGB. I'm thinking at best mentions from NPCs or epilogue slides. I don't think BioWare would direct enough budget for one optional component to do be "apart" of the world. I mean apart as in a tangible form, design, voice, character depth, etc.
The ritual was but a means to an end, a herald of what is to come.
You denied me the Ritual, but that does not change what is to come.
They could do something like JE I suppose while still being a kid- that is if DA3 or whenever Morri and the OGB turn back up isn't far in ahead in the timeline.GardenSnake wrote...
Him being a companion isn't a stretch is it? Unless of course they make him a party member as a kid (doubt it, but it has been done with that little girl in Jade Empire, and Urthemiel's soul could potentially be a spirit or something.
I'm not a fan of zooming ahead to a 20-30 year old Old God Kid with the Warden all tainted and Morrigan an old lady. That would just suck.GardenSnake wrote...
That would require the Warden to be dead and Morrigan to be old. Not a big fan of that route.
David Gaider wrote...
There's no guarantee that this would be the case. What I'm talking about is, even if you start off with a new character, that what you've done in the original game affects the world and/or your choices in the new game.Quote: Posted 02/05/07 18:52 (GMT) by Lightzy
Bah, I dislike the idea of continuing a sequel with your original character and its choices.
What if, for instance, you had a romance with an NPC(just as a hypothetical example) and this was the only way you could get a "child of the great hero" origin story in the sequel? Might be kind of cool. Or perhaps you meet up with characters in the game who are different based on what happened to them in the first Dragon Age. Or the main villain in the sequel is different based on the first one's events? So long as there is some kind of connection between the first and second game, that would be fine... it doesn't have to be a continuation of a set character.
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Brockololly wrote...
Certainly BioWare can't take every choice and make a big deal out of them. But if there ever was one choice in a game thats begging to be dealt with in a major diverging storyline sort of way, its the DR and the OGB. Witch Hunt sort of side stepped the issue but whatever Change thats coming, if you did the DR then the OGB has a role to play in it, although its not clear how large of a role.
BioWare has a very exceptional opportunity with the DR choice to really do some neat things with player choice and consequences if they want to put the time and resources into that sort of thing. The type of stuff Gaider mentioned in that old post I quoted from 2007 sounds neat- playing as the child of the hero in a future game, having the villain be different depending on how you acted in the first game- its just that at least in ME1 to ME2, the choices were not handled with any real care.
So I just worry that with the OGB we'll get a Wrex or Ash/Kaiden scenario: if you did the DR you get the OGB in role X but if you didn't then that role is simply filled by new character Y who while not being the OGB essentially serves the same story role- hell, they could give that role to Morrigan or something. Bottom line is that doing that sort of thing feels cheap and cheapens the choice, even though its done for obvious cost reasons.
Yeah, although seeing as DA2 seems to focus at least in part on the collapse of the Chantry, I think the fate of the Sacred Ashes could possibly play a more significant role- I seem to remember in one article or interview the devs mentioning the Ashes as one the choices that definitely has a role in DA2.MKDAWUSS wrote...
And TBH the DR is really the only "choice" the player gets to make, along with the monarchs - all the other choices eventually work their way to a common ground. The Circle Tower is eventually filled with mages and templars, regardless of what you did, the Brecilian Forest is empty of Dales and Wolves, Lothering and Redcliffe are rebuilt, Eamon has a mage child...
Agreed- it seems like the OGB has a role in heralding in the Big Change Morrigan mentions, but that Big Change is going to happen anyway. So why exactly is the OGB so important? It would be stupid if they downplay the OGB though- the ritual was obviously super important to Morrigan yet we still don't exactly know why, other than vague notions of power. How will this Big Change play out differently with the OGB versus no OGB or conversely with a normal child too?MKDAWUSS wrote...
On one hand, I don't want the OGB to basically be what it was in Witch Hunt, something that develops backstage and you hear about it on the grapevine, but I don't want it to pack an equal alternative that basically gets you to the exact same point (though I suppose WH alluded to that that's what's going to happen)...
Brockololly wrote...
Agreed- it seems like the OGB has a role in heralding in the Big Change Morrigan mentions, but that Big Change is going to happen anyway. So why exactly is the OGB so important? It would be stupid if they downplay the OGB though- the ritual was obviously super important to Morrigan yet we still don't exactly know why, other than vague notions of power. How will this Big Change play out differently with the OGB versus no OGB or conversely with a normal child too?
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