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[Brockololly]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

It'd feel like a total cop-out (which we can probably blame more on EA than BW) if the only thing that made the OGB the OGB was a few dialog lines that harbored no impact at all on the development of the story and character. That sort of thing should be more about the father of Morrigan's child (especially if it's a product of Warden-Morrigan romance [I would HOPE that that factors in there somewhere]).

But then again, I'm not holding my breath...

They've already sort of covered their bases too in a way- apparently the OGB is just a regular kid that doesn't know his destiny, so if you just had a normal son with Morrigan, its possible there is your alternate right there. Just give the Old God baby some extra magical powers or something.

Meh.

I really really hope BIoWare doesn't cop out on the DR like that, but we'll see....

Modifié par Brockololly, 16 septembre 2010 - 03:50 .

[Jarlof Seoul]

Just happy the Morrigan Nation got closure. DA2 will rock in its own time. BW will do us right if they feel that's the way to go...

[Bruddajakka]

Well they can easily give Morrigan a child regardless of whether or not it's OGBoy, or the Warden's. Just say she hooked up with some random dude.

[Brockololly]

phaonica wrote...

Morrigan seems to think that power significantly contributes to her survival and self determination. Does she ever express that power in weak hands is dangerous? Or might she think that empowering people would give them freedom, and not be concerned that much about the dangers? Or that the strong would survive and balance everything out?

It seems to me that Morrigan values having the freedom to do what you wish and that its one's personal responsibility to take care of one's self. I mean, she seems to be ok with Jowan being a blood mage, even if he is by most accounts a rather pathetic figure. I know there is some dilaogue in the game where you can ask her about being an apostate and what her responsibility is towards society at large. I can't remember her response exactly but its basically that she is aware of the power she commands and that its up to her to control it, not the Chantry.

I guess in her view, its better to have mages be free from the Chantry- on one hand you've got the Chantry villifying all mages and locking them up. Yet if you allowed mages freedom, you get rid of the Templar control but probably introduce more abominations and tears in the Veil and who knows what else. Is freedom worth that? At least according to the Chantry, the whole reason for the Darkspawn is because mages had too much freedom and lusted after power.

phaonica wrote...
I also was considering if it meant anything that when you first talk to Morrigan about the child, she says it will not be hurt when it absorbs the soul of the old god, it will be "changed", and if that had anything to do with the "change" she proposes in WH.

You're probably on to something there....

[MKDAWUSS]

Brockololly wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

It'd feel like a total cop-out (which we can probably blame more on EA than BW) if the only thing that made the OGB the OGB was a few dialog lines that harbored no impact at all on the development of the story and character. That sort of thing should be more about the father of Morrigan's child (especially if it's a product of Warden-Morrigan romance [I would HOPE that that factors in there somewhere]).

But then again, I'm not holding my breath...

They've already sort of covered their bases too in a way- apparently the OGB is just a regular kid that doesn't know his destiny, so if you just had a normal son with Morrigan, its possible there is your alternate right there. Just give the Old God baby some extra magical powers or something.

Meh.

I really really hope BIoWare doesn't cop out on the DR like that, but we'll see....

Sounds like it'll be a case of "choose your BioWare punchline!"

[Shade of Wolf]

Brockololly wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

It'd feel like a total cop-out (which we can probably blame more on EA than BW) if the only thing that made the OGB the OGB was a few dialog lines that harbored no impact at all on the development of the story and character. That sort of thing should be more about the father of Morrigan's child (especially if it's a product of Warden-Morrigan romance [I would HOPE that that factors in there somewhere]).

But then again, I'm not holding my breath...

They've already sort of covered their bases too in a way- apparently the OGB is just a regular kid that doesn't know his destiny, so if you just had a normal son with Morrigan, its possible there is your alternate right there. Just give the Old God baby some extra magical powers or something.

Meh.

I really really hope BIoWare doesn't cop out on the DR like that, but we'll see....

What race would the OGB be anyway? Would it be like half-half if it had an elf/dwarf parent or would they just leave it at ''Human''. Or maybe it'll be just ''Old God''.

Modifié par Shade of Wolf, 16 septembre 2010 - 08:48 .

[phaonica]

Brockololly wrote...

phaonica wrote...

Morrigan seems to think that power significantly contributes to her survival and self determination. Does she ever express that power in weak hands is dangerous? Or might she think that empowering people would give them freedom, and not be concerned that much about the dangers? Or that the strong would survive and balance everything out?

It seems to me that Morrigan values having the freedom to do what you wish and that its one's personal responsibility to take care of one's self. I mean, she seems to be ok with Jowan being a blood mage, even if he is by most accounts a rather pathetic figure. I know there is some dilaogue in the game where you can ask her about being an apostate and what her responsibility is towards society at large. I can't remember her response exactly but its basically that she is aware of the power she commands and that its up to her to control it, not the Chantry.

I guess in her view, its better to have mages be free from the Chantry- on one hand you've got the Chantry villifying all mages and locking them up. Yet if you allowed mages freedom, you get rid of the Templar control but probably introduce more abominations and tears in the Veil and who knows what else. Is freedom worth that? At least according to the Chantry, the whole reason for the Darkspawn is because mages had too much freedom and lusted after power.

phaonica wrote...
I also was considering if it meant anything that when you first talk to Morrigan about the child, she says it will not be hurt when it absorbs the soul of the old god, it will be "changed", and if that had anything to do with the "change" she proposes in WH.

You're probably on to something there....

I don't know if a lot of people play a pro-Chantry character, but my main Warden is, so I tend to primarily consider these things with a magic-is-dangerous, the-Chantry-serves-an-important-function view.

[Brockololly]

phaonica wrote...

I don't know if a lot of people play a pro-Chantry character, but my main Warden is, so I tend to primarily consider these things with a magic-is-dangerous, the-Chantry-serves-an-important-function view.

Oh definitely it depends on how you RP your character. With the whole mage freedom versus Chantry issue, its tough. On one hand you've got proof that bad stuff can happen with the likes of Uldred or various other crazy stuff.But certainly not every mage wants to be some power crazed abomination- some are like Anders: ""All I want is a pretty girl, a decent meal, and the right to shoot lightning at fools."


Yet does that justify the Chantry and Templars really treating mages not even like people by locking them up in towers and stealing away any mage children? Certainly no easy answer- I suppose you can look at the Tevinter IMperium as an example of what the world may be like if mages had more freedom- in that case they still keep other mages locked up.

As far as Morrigan goes, she certainly doesn't care for the Chantry or Templars- her life would no doubt be easier without them. But if DA2 is about the Chantry collapsing, I guess MOrrigan wouldn't be sad to see that, but like you mentioned, the Chantry does serve a function. Without the Chantry and Templars will it just be mage Anarchy? Is that the "change" that Morrigan wants?

[Brockololly]

Shade of Wolf wrote...
What race would the OGB be anyway? Would it be like half-half if it had an elf/dwarf parent or would they just leave it at ''Human''. Or maybe it'll be just ''Old God''.

Presumably, the OGB would be whatever race your PC was- so human if the PC that did the DR was a human, elf-blooded(but would look like a human) or if your PC was a dwarf, they'd be a half-dwarf I guess. Basically the OGB would look human unless your PC that did the DR was a dwarf- in which case they'd be a half-dwarf which I have no clue how they'd look.

From WItch Hunt, apparently the OGB is by all appearances a normal child that doesn't realize he has the soul of Old God within him. So its likely he'd just be like a super powered mage once he gets properly trained.

MariSkep wrote...
Um...
out of curiosity, does anyone have any idea what being an Old God will
mean for the boy? Does it mean he's simply a mage with unfathomable mana
supplies or what?

I guess- we don't really know what an Old God is even- presumably an Old God is at least a dragon of considerable power, but we have no idea if they have any power or "God-like" abilities beyond that.

[phaonica]

Brockololly wrote...

From WItch Hunt, apparently the OGB is by all appearances a normal child that doesn't realize he has the soul of Old God within him. So its likely he'd just be like a super powered mage once he gets properly trained.

What seems like "normal" would depend on the child's surroundings. It could still be something that doesn't quite look like a human/elf/dwarf.

But why would she need an Old God for that?

She doesn't need the old god. Her Change is occuring with our without the OGB. Having the OGB apparently would help her cause, but he isn't required. Regardless, I don't think bringing down the Chanry and freeing all mages would be something easily done, and definitely not something easily accepted.

[phaonica]

MariSkep wrote...

phaonica wrote...

But why would she need an Old God for that?

She doesn't need the old god. Her Change is occuring with our without the OGB. Having the OGB apparently would help her cause, but he isn't required.

Help how is what I'm trying to figure out. If the child is incredibly powerful (as strong as an archdemon) then he's going to be used for war purposes as there really wouldn't be any other use for him. Now if he's a standard mage thingie then his uses might be a little more diverse or if he's some genuinely godlike. Like, he can alter reality in some meaningful way.

Maybe that's what she wants. 

She says that the OGB will "herald" the change. That makes me think of some kind of prophetic figure, like Andraste, who heralded the Chantry and the return to the Maker (and I think she might have participated in the fighting, too). Andraste, however, also seemed to be the catalyst for that change. If Andraste (or any prophet) hadn't existed, could there have been a return to the Maker? If the Old Gods had had an avatar/ambassador/prophet like Andraste at the same time, might they have been more able to counter her influence? Who knows. (I'm not brushed up on my history of Andraste and the Chantry, so I may have to go back and look at it.).

Regardless, I don't think bringing down the Chanry and freeing all mages would be something easily done, and definitely not something easily accepted.

Which is what would make it fun.

Agreed. Both sides of that conflict sound like they would be interesting to play.

[Brockololly]

phaonica wrote...
She says that the OGB will "herald" the change. That makes me think of some kind of prophetic figure, like Andraste, who heralded the Chantry and the return to the Maker (and I think she might have participated in the fighting, too). Andraste, however, also seemed to be the catalyst for that change. If Andraste (or any prophet) hadn't existed, could there have been a return to the Maker? If the Old Gods had had an avatar/ambassador/prophet like Andraste at the same time, might they have been more able to counter her influence? Who knows. (I'm not brushed up on my history of Andraste and the Chantry, so I may have to go back and look at it.).

Thats exactly what I'm thinking.

Morrigan specifically says:

The ritual was but a means to an end, a herlad for what is to come

Using good ol' Webster's dictionary, "Herald" can mean:

1 a : an official at a tournament of arms with duties including the making of announcements and the marshaling of combatants

b : an officer with the status of ambassador acting as official messenger between leaders especially in war

c  (1) : officer of arms

(2) : an officer of arms ranking above a pursuivant and below a king of arms

2 : an official crier or messenger

3 a : one that precedes or foreshadows
b : one that conveys news or proclaims : announcer
c: one who actively promotes or advocates

So, having the Old God Baby be some sort of Old God equivalent of Andraste proclaiming the return of the Old Gods would be rather awesome IMO. Perhaps the Big Change is that Flemeth and/or Morrigan seek to awaken the remaining Old Gods in their uncorrupted form? I guess a big thing is whether Morrigan is ok with this "change" or not- she certainly seems ok with it, but I'm wondering if its some event thats coming regardless- sort of something like a natural disaster that nobody is going to be able to stop. So maybe the Old Gods' return is inevitable and its simply Morrigan and Flemeth jockeying to see who can reap the most benefit from their return?

Modifié par Brockololly, 16 septembre 2010 - 11:22 .

[Gilsa]

PureMethodActor wrote...

OGB is human, no matter what.

The reason being is Lore-based, and re-confirmed by Gaider on a few threads I've looked at (I apologize for not being able to find them and link them).

elf/human offspring is ALWAYS human because of elven genetic adaptability. This was revealed by a few of the key people in the Dalish clan in "Nature of the Beast," and this was one of the main reasons the elves felt like they were dying out after contact with humans and why they needed to isolate themselves from human contact.

I'm assuming you can say the same about elf/dwarf offspring, but of course nothing can be confirmed yet because we don't even hear of any elf/dwarf pairings in the DA universe (besides Zev/dwarf pairings, and that is based on the player)

I remember on a dwarf-related topic someone posted quotes by Gaider talking about dwarven offspring. I remember him saying a few interesting things such as:
1. Dwarves are inherently not as fertile as the other races
2. dwarf/human offspring are just considered a version of one of the races (such as a very short human or a very tall dwarf)

So for all intents and purposes, the OGB is going to be human, which makes it easier to transfer into future DA games, imo

Just tossing in the link to the thread where DG discusses this. It's five pages long so super easy to find DG's posts about these things. You are correct in what you've listed above. (Elf + dwarf = dwarf though) They didn't have the money to make a half-dwarf model and since it happens so infrequently (such an union is a stigma in Orzammar), it wasn't something they needed to pour resources into. We won't see a female qunari in DA2 for similiar reasons although someday that'll be added in. Just not enough resources to go around.

Modifié par Gilsa, 16 septembre 2010 - 11:24 .

[Bruddajakka]

It'd be a human in all cases except for a Dwarf then it'd be a half dwarf which sounds pretty much like a human. Bioware doesn't seem to like do hybrid.

[Fntsybks]

Brockololly wrote...

So, having the Old God Baby be some sort of Old God equivalent of Andraste proclaiming the return of the Old Gods would be rather awesome IMO. Perhaps the Big Change is that Flemeth and/or Morrigan seek to awaken the remaining Old Gods in their uncorrupted form? I guess a big thing is whether Morrigan is ok with this "change" or not- she certainly seems ok with it, but I'm wondering if its some event thats coming regardless- sort of something like a natural disaster that nobody is going to be able to stop. So maybe the Old Gods' return is inevitable and its simply Morrigan and Flemeth jockeying to see who can reap the most benefit from their return?

I don't think that it is simple "jockeying to see who can reap the most benefit from their return," since Morrigan seems genuinely scared of Flemeth in WH, not just threatened. Most likely, as Morrigan says, change is inevitable, but there could be two versions of change: the OGB's and Flemeth's. Say, the OGB does act as an "Andraste," but it could either be for freeing the Old Gods and then worshipping them, which Morrigan approves of, or some sort of Flemeth worship. I could see her accepting and fighting for the Old Gods, and fighting against Flemeth in that case

[MKDAWUSS]

Who's taking care of the OGB? This is what I'd like to know. Neither parent seems to be raising him...

[Giggles_Manically]

So here is something interesting:

If you turn down getting Jowan in Redcliffe to help, Morrigan instead delivers a little lecture on the fade and demons. Never saw that before.



Also she seems a little sad that it may come to killing Conner. Her tone does come off a little nervous about resorting to that.

[SirOccam]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Who's taking care of the OGB? This is what I'd like to know. Neither parent seems to be raising him...

Well Morrigan says he's safe. She wasn't with him for the encounter in WH, but I don't think that means she wasn't raising him at all.

Modifié par SirOccam, 17 septembre 2010 - 02:56 .

[TJPags]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Who's taking care of the OGB? This is what I'd like to know. Neither parent seems to be raising him...

That chick who runs the pearl?  Morrigan hired her as a nanny.

[Brockololly]

SirOccam wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Who's taking care of the OGB? This is what I'd like to know. Neither parent seems to be raising him...

Well Morrigan says he's safe. She wasn't with him for the encounter in WH, but I don't think that means she wasn't raising him at all.

Morrigan is a deadbeat mother- Thedas Child Protective Services need to pay a visit- send the Old God Baby into foster care


Edit: FIgured I'd post this update on the WItch Hunt "patch" here for everyone's information:

Fernando Melo wrote...
Sorry for the late update folks it's been a busy day for fixes - significant progress made today, but still some more waiting, details  below:

PC - In Progress.  ETA Monday.

We've had to change up how the fix will be delivered for PC.  Originally planned as a patch (1.04a), the update will now be delivered as a v1.1  of the Witch Hunt DLC package which players will need to re-download and install - full instructions will be provided. 

In addition to  solving a variety of potential issues across various windows OS  versions, and cases where more than one player/account exists on the  same PC, this also allows us to future proof the update.

Although the core fixes have passed and are verified, we've had to explore and  test a few ways to best deliver this to players.  

We are now in progress on a full test cycle of the v1.1 DLC package which will  continue into the weekend - and if successful we hope to release this on Monday.  My apologies again for the delay, we were very much looking  forward to having this out to you earlier than this.


X360 & PS3 - Final tests.  ETA tomorrow to go to certification.
The team is on the final verification tests of the X360 title update and  PS3 patch which are both looking good.  We expect to submit this to  certification tomorrow.


I'll post an update tomorrow.
F.

Modifié par Brockololly, 17 septembre 2010 - 04:28 .

[SirOccam]

Brockololly wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Who's taking care of the OGB? This is what I'd like to know. Neither parent seems to be raising him...

Well Morrigan says he's safe. She wasn't with him for the encounter in WH, but I don't think that means she wasn't raising him at all.

Morrigan is a deadbeat mother- Thedas Child Protective Services need to pay a visit- send the Old God Baby into foster care

I think if we can trust her enough to GIVE her the GodBaby in the first place, we can trust her to arrange for a babysitter for an afternoon.