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[Mr Plow]

Hopefully not too long now for those patches for Witch Hunt...

[Zaros]

While I was kind of PO'ed that she acted like I never did the ritual, but it was at least a relief to know that it was still my warden's son that she had, and that we still had somewhat of a happy ending (for something that's supposed to conclude our story, I still have a hell of a lot of questions).

Modifié par Zaros, 18 septembre 2010 - 10:46 .

[Jarlof Seoul]

Zjarcal wrote...

This is how Morrigan tempted KoP to do the DR:

That's awesome! Must have been after a long day hiding from Templars.

Congrats to the Morrigan Nation on 400 pages!

[ximena]

Pirate Morrigan says hello~

[Terra_Ex]

Bah, I always miss the pic spam pages, but I'm gonna spam some anyways. So, a belated spamming of some pics from a recent playthrough...

Black templar morri



Morrigan on Denerim throne + purple flame



Armored Morri berates Dog




Arguably the focal point of DA - The One Ring





And of course, the most important pics last







Maybe I'll post something less spam-like later, but there's been too much text and not enough morri pix of late. Will there be any characters in DA2 that can rival her greatness?


edit:
Love the pirate morri, ximena

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 18 septembre 2010 - 12:17 .

[Master Shiori]

ximena wrote...

Pirate Morrigan says hello~

She can have my riches anyday.

Great job there Ximena.

[Master Shiori]

Terra_Ex wrote...

Bah, I always miss the pic spam pages, but I'm gonna spam some anyways. So, a belated spamming of some pics from a recent playthrough...


Morrigan on Denerim throne + purple flame

Where is this from? Some kind of mod?

Great pic btw.

Terra_Ex wrote...


And of course, the most important pics last

What's that armor and weapon on your Warden?

I don't think I've seen that mod on Nexus.

[ximena]

Master Shiori wrote...

ximena wrote...

Pirate Morrigan says hello~

She can have me and my riches anyday.

Great job there Ximena.

Fix'd XD

[Master Shiori]

ximena wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

ximena wrote...

Pirate Morrigan says hello~

She can have me and my riches anyday.

Great job there Ximena.

Fix'd XD

Thank you!

*hugs*

[Shade of Wolf]

Awww I missed the picture fest...

[KnightofPhoenix]

ximena wrote...

Pirate Morrigan says hello~

[Terra_Ex]

Master Shiori wrote...

Terra_Ex wrote...

Bah, I always miss the pic spam pages, but I'm gonna spam some anyways. So, a belated spamming of some pics from a recent playthrough...

Morrigan on Denerim throne + purple flame

Where is this from? Some kind of mod?

Great pic btw.

'Tis from my PC, something I was messing around with last night while I was pretty sleepy, I might make it into a full scene at some point... maybe have Morri roast Alistair/Hawke in a cleansing purple flame but I'm back at uni in a week's time so time is short. Speaking of mods, I intend to go back and redo Morri's angry kiss with facefx to make her actually angry when I have the time. I'll likely implement the missing DR kisses in the near future as well since I want to sign off the core mod as final soon, plus there are a few minor dialog choices that will be fixed in the next version.

Master Shiori wrote...
What's that armor and weapon on your Warden?

I don't think I've seen that mod on Nexus.

Good question,  in-game it's called Arcane Colossus and I don't think it's available on the nexus or anywhere else anymore. The sword is Vigilance.

...We need more Morri pics.

[Brockololly]

ximena wrote...

Pirate Morrigan says hello~

*dons pirate hat and eyepatch* ARRRR! Pirate Morrigan can shiver me timbers anyday!

Awesome job!

Terra_Ex wrote...
Morrigan on Denerim throne + purple flame

All hail Queen Morrigan! Ha- Whats that from?
Edit: Ninja'd:ph34r:

Armored Morri berates Dog

Hahaha- I love how Morrigan and your Warden are in matching armor- its like a goofy Christmas photo of a family or a couple wearing matching sweaters or something-[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/sideways.png[/smilie]

Terra_Ex wrote...
Maybe I'll post something less spam-like later, but there's been too much  text and not enough morri pix of late. Will there be any characters in  DA2 that can rival her greatness?

Thats one of my concerns with constantly moving from game to game with all new characters- that as we go along it seems like future characters are simply derivatives of old ones- sort of how people thought Anders was Alistair the Mage or Velanna was a ****ier Dalish Morrigan. I have faith in the writers, but I'm skeptical they can get another character up to Morrigan's levels of awesomeness.

Modifié par Brockololly, 18 septembre 2010 - 03:42 .

[Shade of Wolf]

I got my Morrigan epilogue in Awakening!!! I also completed GoA, but I now see from reading the list of bugs that I'm a prime candidate for bugs in Witch Hunt...Any news on the patch?

[Master Shiori]

Fernando Melo said that the patch should be ready on Monday, except it won't really be a patch, but rather a new version of Witch Hunt.



@Brock



No female LI will ever be as awesome as Morri!!!



Ok, seriously, Gaider could pull off someone who's better than Morri but that won't happen soon. I used to think nobody will beat Viconia from BG2 until Morrigan came along. They might come up with somebody who's better than Morri but such a feat wouldn't happen anytime soon.



Disclaimer:

NOBODY is ever replacing Morri for me.

[Brockololly]

Master Shiori wrote...

Fernando Melo said that the patch should be ready on Monday, except it won't really be a patch, but rather a new version of Witch Hunt.

Yeah...I don't knwow what to think about that- does it mean we'll have to re-download the whole thing again? I'm going through Origins again anyway and while I'm glad they're hopefully taking the time to get it right, they really should have sorted this out pre-release.

Master Shiori wrote...
No female LI will ever be as awesome as Morri!!!

Ok, seriously, Gaider could pull off someone who's better than Morri but that won't happen soon. I used to think nobody will beat Viconia from BG2 until Morrigan came along. They might come up with somebody who's better than Morri but such a feat wouldn't happen anytime soon.

Disclaimer:
NOBODY is ever replacing Morri for me.

BLASPHEMER! Burn the heathen!

Morrigan is great IMO because she stays an individual- she's doing her own thing and doesn't just turn into a sappy romantic as things go along. She's kind of like Samara in a way- in so far as Samara turns down Shep's advances- while Morrigan doesn't just agree with everything the PC does. I like it when characters like that actually retain a sense of independence and don't simply bend to the whim of the PC at every turn. That said, the Warden can sort of crack Morrigan's shell a bit, but I just hope that wherever Morrigan's story goes, she retains her characteristic snark.

[Bruddajakka]

Bonus points for the fact we actually get a resolution for our romance. Viconia fans got Gaider'd pretty hard. I'm still expecting it to blow up in our faces but still I'll take what I can get.

[Master Shiori]

Bruddajakka wrote...

Bonus points for the fact we actually get a resolution for our romance. Viconia fans got Gaider'd pretty hard. I'm still expecting it to blow up in our faces but still I'll take what I can get.

Funny enough, I actually didn't mind the ending to Viconia's romance. At least you ahd a period of bliss before she got assassinated.
But the important thing is that the romance had closure, which Morrigan's didn't until the Witch Hunt.

[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...
BLASPHEMER! Burn the heathen!

Morrigan is great IMO because she stays an individual- she's doing her own thing and doesn't just turn into a sappy romantic as things go along. She's kind of like Samara in a way- in so far as Samara turns down Shep's advances- while Morrigan doesn't just agree with everything the PC does. I like it when characters like that actually retain a sense of independence and don't simply bend to the whim of the PC at every turn. That said, the Warden can sort of crack Morrigan's shell a bit, but I just hope that wherever Morrigan's story goes, she retains her characteristic snark.

Hehe, you know that Morri will always be my number 1.

With David Gaider writing her, I have faith that Morrigan will stay true to how she was portrayed in Origins and Witch Hunt. David seem to care a lot about his characters and doesn't change them from how they're originaly portayed (at least not after the final version is nailed down and the game launched).

I believe Morri is quite safe in his hands.

[Terra_Ex]

Brockololly wrote...
Thats one of my concerns with constantly moving from game to game with all new characters- that as we go along it
seems like future characters are simply derivatives of old ones- sort of how people thought Anders was Alistair the Mage or Velanna was a ****ier Dalish Morrigan. I have faith in the writers, but I'm skeptical they can get another character up to Morrigan's levels of awesomeness.

Well part of what makes Morri awesome is you either "get" her or you don't and that kind of complexity if difficult to acheive without it seeming contrived. Velanna was like a psuedo-Morrigan without the depth. From what I've seen so far for DA2, Flemeth is the most interesting, followed by Hawke, then Cassandra, then Varric...

Most importantly though is how you will interact with them and in DA2 that'll be through Hawke's paraphrasing and voiceovers, a marked difference from Origins. While I'm excited about the possibilities of the new narrative structure
I do have concerns over Bioware's love affair with full voiceovers and the apparent notion that lots of text = bad. I'm not saying it can't work but with the PC being voiced it's probably going to feel less... personal, kind of like the Liara romance is good but nowhere near the same amount of depth or personal attachment as you get with DA because
it's Shepard interacting with the character instead of you, the player; you're watching rather than actually participating. Hawke can be a completely blank canvas, but the voiceover still defines him to an extent.

Master Shiori wrote...

Bruddajakka wrote...

Bonus points for the fact we actually get a resolution for our romance. Viconia fans got Gaider'd pretty hard. I'm still expecting it to blow up in our faces but still I'll take what I can get.

Funny enough, I actually didn't mind the ending to Viconia's romance. At least you ahd a period of bliss before she got assassinated. But the important thing is that the romance had closure, which Morrigan's didn't until the Witch Hunt.

Closure in the context of Origins, yes, in regard of Morrigan's future return - no. There's still ample opportunity for the warden to be codexed out of existence for the sake of convenience. Remember Shiori, a true Morri fan is always looking to the future, he never rests on his laurels and is ever wary of ways he can be screwed over. That said I'm fairly hopeful we'll get some follow-up in the future. Like Bruddajakka mentioned, I'm expecting/hoping for something big in the future, tbh I probably wouldn't mind a ending where warden & morri both die, so long as there's some actual meaning in said resolution. I shall hope for the best though [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angel.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 18 septembre 2010 - 08:15 .

[Brockololly]

[quote]Terra_Ex wrote...
Well part of what makes Morri awesome is you either "get" her or you don't and that kind of complexity if difficult to acheive without it seeming contrived. Velanna was like a psuedo-Morrigan without the depth. From what I've seen so far for DA2, Flemeth is the most interesting, followed by Hawke, then Cassandra, then Varric... [/quote]
Right, with Velanna or most of the Awakening characters they were all pretty much one note- they didn't have much depth to them. Whereas with the Origins characters like Morrigan, they've got their exterior like Morrigan's snarkiness but they've got layers and depth, like Morrigan getting all flustered with her feelings. The problem with Awakening is that most of the characters only had that one exterior layer.

Hopefully DA2 is more like Origins in that regard given their bigger budget and all.

[quote]Terra_Ex wrote...
Most importantly though is how you will interact with them and in DA2 that'll be through Hawke's paraphrasing and voiceovers, a marked difference from Origins. While I'm excited about the possibilities of the new narrative structure I do have concerns over Bioware's love affair with full voiceovers and the apparent notion that lots of text = bad. I'm not saying it can't work but with the PC being voiced it's probably going to feel less... personal, kind of like the Liara romance is good but nowhere near the same amount of depth or personal attachment as you get with DA because it's Shepard interacting with the character instead of you, the player; you're watching rather than actually participating. Hawke can be a completely blank canvas, but the voiceover still defines him to an extent.[/quote]
The framed narrative could be great in terms of seeing consequences and allowing for a more exciting middle part of the game, I'll give them that. But I totally agree on player VO- to me, it just seems like something thats great if you're somebody watching someone play the game, but it does nothing for me, the player, to get more invested in the characters and the story. I just don't care for player VO- it adds nothing to my enjoyment of the game, it takes away my ability to get as emotionally engaged, it eats up valuable development resources and in general seems like a waste to me. Anyway, here is PC gamer's DA2 preview if you want to read up on how horrible Origins was and how awesome Dragon Effect will be.
/end rant, back on topic!

[quote]Master Shiori wrote..
Funny enough, I actually didn't mind the ending to Viconia's romance. At least you ahd a period of bliss before she got assassinated. But the important thing is that the romance had closure, which Morrigan's didn't until the Witch Hunt.
[/quote]
Closure in the context of Origins, yes, in regard of Morrigan's future return - no. There's still ample opportunity for the warden to be codexed out of existence for the sake of convenience. Remember Shiori, a true Morri fan is always looking to the future, he never rests on his laurels and is ever wary of ways he can be screwed over. That said I'm fairly hopeful we'll get some follow-up in the future. Like Bruddajakka mentioned, I'm expecting/hoping for something big in the future, tbh I probably wouldn't mind a ending where warden & morri both die, so long as there's some actual meaning in said resolution. I shall hope for the best though [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angel.png[/smilie]
[/quote]
I wouldn't mind if Morrigan and the Warden both died, but anytime you're doing something big like that, you've got to be sure to give those sort of big moments the care and attention to detail they deserve and not relegate it to an epilogue or codex. Any tragic end for Morrigan or the Warden would need to be meaningful and not just "Oh, the Warden died in Mirror World. Deal with it." 

I honestly am expecting a bad end for Morrigan and the Warden though sadly. Going waaay back into the archives, you've got this quote from Gaider on Viconia's romance ending:

[quote] David Gaider wrote...

Thread: Character Creation  [+8]

Date: Thursday, 29 June 2006 09:24PM 

[quote]Quote: Posted 06/29/06 19:48:06 (GMT) by Melirinda
I understand that. I do want to be more certain of what a character  actually did -evil or good- I sort of want to see consequences to it,  witnesses, another person's account, some sort of "real thing". As we  all are more inclined to believe in "goodness" of the characters that  accompany us, especially if we like them, I am obviously bias for seeing the "evil" deeds commited, accounted for or having no-nosense  consequences.[/quote]
I have no issues with consequences for evil deeds -- karma's a ***. Indeed, I  always thought it was a little amusing the way some folks freaked out at the idea of Viconia meeting a tragic end in the epilogue. To me, there  was never any other possible result for the Viconia romance. She even  tells you so.

But not every evil deed requires equal consequence, either. Not only would that be unrealistic, doing that would also be  very preachy, especially when you're supposed to be allowing  Evil-aligned characters in a game and not throwing Cosmic Justice at  them and/or the only Evil party members that they can recruit. Which  means that for a novel, BG2 makes for a great game -- and that's the way it has to be.

I could also make a comment about the differences in plot-centric and character-centric approaches, but I'm sure you get  the point.[/quote]
That little comment about how Viconia even told you things wouldn't work out is eerily similar to Morrigan's romance. First you had Gaider mentioning after DAO came out  that in Origins Morrigan basically says things won't work out early on and lo and behold! Things didn't work out as Morrigan leaves you no matter what.

Think of how she says in Witch Hunt when you ask to come into the mirror that "You... cannot know what you ask. Twould be better if you stayed. For you, for us both." If we're to go by Gaider logic, that seems like sufficient warning for a potential future GOTCHA moment of writing off the Warden in Mirror World or something. Even with Witch Hunt's relatively "happy" ending for Morrigan and the Warden I just get the feeling that its only temporary- that the writiing is on the wall with Morrigan that there is WAAAAY more going on than she is letting us in on. And that possibly whenever that stuff comes to the surface, maybe Morrigan gets in over her head or something worthy of getting Gaider'd shall befall us Morrigan romancing Wardens.

But thats just my cheery thought for the day!

Modifié par Brockololly, 18 septembre 2010 - 09:00 .

[Nerevar-as]

The problem was Viconia was AFAIK the most difficult romance, and that if she wasn´t romanced she was a Karma Houdini. Karma is a ***** only if you are good it seems. And DA:O wasn´t by far a story dark enough for that to work with Morrigan. And then there is Aribeth: what the frak was she doing in hell? It´s clear she was brainwashed into evil.



Not the best examples, Mr Gaider.

[soundchaser721]

I really just can't see the warden stepping out of that mirror world with morrigan. As much as I want to trust bioware completely to handle morrigan and the warden, I don't. I would rather have witch hunt end on a more somber note than be gaider'd a few years down the line when morrigan steps out of that mirror with the OGB and the warden's nowhere to be found. It just seemed a little too convenient to me that morrigan allowed the warden to go with her; it was almost as if gaider wrote that option just to give us closure and never really extrapolate on the idea of the warden returning with morrigan. Ugh if we get gaider'd somewhere down the road whether it be in DA2 or 3 I'm gonna scream gaider's name just like kirk did in the wrath of khan... except my voice will actually carry into outer space.

[Zaros]

Bruddajakka wrote...

Bonus points for the fact we actually get a resolution for our romance. Viconia fans got Gaider'd pretty hard. I'm still expecting it to blow up in our faces but still I'll take what I can get.

All romances got a good resolution, Morrigan's just happened to be the most elaborate, and the only one that I still have a few questions about afterwards.

Examples:

Zevran: You run off to rule the crows, odds are any further adventures after Origins are handeled by an Orlesian Warden.

Leliana: You either go off and adventure with her, or you go off, do Awakenings along with the other DLCs, and then return to start a family with Leliana.

Alistair: Stay in Denerim as his queen/mistress, or... go off and have adventures (I guess you could argue that in the time Alistair spends preparing a proper funeral for Duncan, you could go off and do Awakening and the other DLCs).

Morrigan: Either kill her, let her go, or follow her into wherever the hell the portal leads (I'd call this a happy ending, but considering  the multitude of horrors you unleash along the way, along with the fact that Morrigan implies you along with the rest of your family will now be in grave danger, I'm not too sure anymore)

Modifié par Zaros, 18 septembre 2010 - 10:19 .

[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...

Master Shiori wrote..
Funny enough, I actually didn't mind the ending to Viconia's romance. At least you ahd a period of bliss before she got assassinated. But the important thing is that the romance had closure, which Morrigan's didn't until the Witch Hunt.

I wouldn't mind if Morrigan and the Warden both died, but anytime you're doing something big like that, you've got to be sure to give those sort of big moments the care and attention to detail they deserve and not relegate it to an epilogue or codex. Any tragic end for Morrigan or the Warden would need to be meaningful and not just "Oh, the Warden died in Mirror World. Deal with it." 

I honestly am expecting a bad end for Morrigan and the Warden though sadly. Going waaay back into the archives, you've got this quote from Gaider on Viconia's romance ending:

David Gaider wrote...

Thread: Character Creation  [+8]

Date: Thursday, 29 June 2006 09:24PM 

Quote: Posted 06/29/06 19:48:06 (GMT) by Melirinda
I understand that. I do want to be more certain of what a character  actually did -evil or good- I sort of want to see consequences to it,  witnesses, another person's account, some sort of "real thing". As we  all are more inclined to believe in "goodness" of the characters that  accompany us, especially if we like them, I am obviously bias for seeing the "evil" deeds commited, accounted for or having no-nosense  consequences.

I have no issues with consequences for evil deeds -- karma's a ***. Indeed, I  always thought it was a little amusing the way some folks freaked out at the idea of Viconia meeting a tragic end in the epilogue. To me, there  was never any other possible result for the Viconia romance. She even  tells you so.

But not every evil deed requires equal consequence, either. Not only would that be unrealistic, doing that would also be  very preachy, especially when you're supposed to be allowing  Evil-aligned characters in a game and not throwing Cosmic Justice at  them and/or the only Evil party members that they can recruit. Which  means that for a novel, BG2 makes for a great game -- and that's the way it has to be.

I could also make a comment about the differences in plot-centric and character-centric approaches, but I'm sure you get  the point.

That little comment about how Viconia even told you things wouldn't work out is eerily similar to Morrigan's romance. First you had Gaider mentioning after DAO came out  that in Origins Morrigan basically says things won't work out early on and lo and behold! Things didn't work out as Morrigan leaves you no matter what.

Think of how she says in Witch Hunt when you ask to come into the mirror that "You... cannot know what you ask. Twould be better if you stayed. For you, for us both." If we're to go by Gaider logic, that seems like sufficient warning for a potential future GOTCHA moment of writing off the Warden in Mirror World or something. Even with Witch Hunt's relatively "happy" ending for Morrigan and the Warden I just get the feeling that its only temporary- that the writiing is on the wall with Morrigan that there is WAAAAY more going on than she is letting us in on. And that possibly whenever that stuff comes to the surface, maybe Morrigan gets in over her head or something worthy of getting Gaider'd shall befall us Morrigan romancing Wardens.

I understand his comment about Viconia, but I think he got it backwards. It should be: "No good deed goes unpunished".

That said, I don't expect him to just copy paste Viconia's romance on Morrigan. David is a proffesional writer who doesn't need to copy his previous characters in order to make a good story.

As for Morrigan's future, I cannot honestly say that we're bound to get Gaidered again. Sure, it could turn out badly for Morri and the Warden, but it could also end on a relatively happy note. Morrigan told you it wouldn't be wise to follow her way back in Origins, yet that didn't result in a disaster in WH.
It's clear that whatever she's doing is very dangerous and her suvival and success aren't guaranteed, but I don't believe it means she's bound to die or meet some other bad end by default.
And no, I don't expect to see the Warden reappear with Morrigan in DA3, unless Bioware brings him back as the main protagonist.
Right now so much about Morrigan's plans is unknown that I cannot predict how things will play out. At this point anything is possible and I'll just hope for the best.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 18 septembre 2010 - 10:19 .