16183 réponses à ce sujet

[Johnny Pothead]

maybe a hardened morrigan will be up for a threesome for Leliana. lol

[Master Shiori]

Johnny Pothead wrote...

maybe a hardened morrigan will be up for a threesome for Leliana. lol

Morrigan doesn't share. Ever!!

[ximena]

Master Shiori wrote...

Johnny Pothead wrote...

maybe a hardened morrigan will be up for a threesome for Leliana. lol

Morrigan doesn't share. Ever!!

Quoted for the sake of justice.

I actually adore how she nags at the Warden regarding "getting to know" Isabella. XD

[CalJones]

Lorianno wrote...

Anyone know what the word is on the patch for WH?

If you're on PC then there's a new updated version for you to download. I've done so and now the game saves properly as it should. (I never had a problem with the game not recognising the ritual as I always used post-coronation saves for export).

http://social.biowar...index/4846294/1

Instructions for installation are there.
The main thing is to make sure your PC shows file extensions (you can turn this option on from any folder by selection "tools" then "folder options" then "view" and unclick the hide file extensions option.
You will need to rename the file .dazip if your browser has saved it as a .zip.

[Master Shiori]

ximena wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

Johnny Pothead wrote...

maybe a hardened morrigan will be up for a threesome for Leliana. lol

Morrigan doesn't share. Ever!!

Quoted for the sake of justice.

I actually adore how she nags at the Warden regarding "getting to know" Isabella. XD

The thing that really pleasantly surprised me is if you're romancing both Morrigan and Leliana, Morri will ask you to choose between them. If you pick Morrigan she'll comment how she's sorry for having to make you break up with Leliana.

Quite suprising considering how much venom there was between them up to that point. I'd have expected Morri to be happy with the outcome but she doesn't seem to take joy from that.

[Jacks Smirking Revenge]

Possibly because she knows she is going to have to dump you soon. Would of been easier for both parties had you picked Leliana.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Jarlof Seoul wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

What would Morrigan's favorite food be?
....why do I get the feeling that my Cousland is going to be the one doing all the cooking in Mirror world? And all the bed time story telling, and underwear changing? And all the washing and cleaning?

Yeah, but at the end of the day, he shares the bed with Morri

Assuming he isn't dead tired at that point, then yea that could be a nice reward for a hard days work.


@ Chantry collapsing.
I must say that I really expect / hope for something much bigger than this. Morrigan doing all this just to make the Chantry collapse? Highly anti-climactic.
Maybe the Chantry collpasing is a side effect but I wouldn't consider it major. The change Morrigan is talking about seems to be on a fundamental level.

@ Hardened Morrigan.
Eh, hardening Morrigan has no purpose, she doesn't need it. The way I see it in Origins,is that we have a chance of "softening" her. While it doesn't have in-game implications, when befriended or romanced, Morrigan does change quite a bit.

[CalJones]

Oh I don't know, I think the Chantry collapsing will be awesome. Less mage subjugation, less power for Orlais...

It's hinted at when you talk to the Guardian at the Urn (when you say the Tevinter Empire isn't as powerful as it once was), so I'm not entirely surprised, but I'm pleased that it'll happen.

[NKKKK]

What does Morrigan say now when she did the dark ritual with Alistair/Loghain?

[Master Shiori]

Jacks Smirking Revenge wrote...

Possibly because she knows she is going to have to dump you soon. Would of been easier for both parties had you picked Leliana.

Hardly. It's been confirmed that Morrigan didn't know the fight with the Archdemon would happen so soon or that the Orlesian Wardens wouldn't come. Besides, it's hardly a break up if your romance is still active and you get reunited less than a year later.

With Witch Hunt the "dumping" as you call it is only temporary.

Besides, I never make a habbit of romancing 2 characters at once. All my male Wardens are reserved for Morrigan while Leliana gets the females. Everyone's a winner that way.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 21 septembre 2010 - 01:31 .

[Master Shiori]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Jarlof Seoul wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

What would Morrigan's favorite food be?
....why do I get the feeling that my Cousland is going to be the one doing all the cooking in Mirror world? And all the bed time story telling, and underwear changing? And all the washing and cleaning?

Yeah, but at the end of the day, he shares the bed with Morri

Assuming he isn't dead tired at that point, then yea that could be a nice reward for a hard days work.


@ Chantry collapsing.
I must say that I really expect / hope for something much bigger than this. Morrigan doing all this just to make the Chantry collapse? Highly anti-climactic.
Maybe the Chantry collpasing is a side effect but I wouldn't consider it major. The change Morrigan is talking about seems to be on a fundamental level.

@ Hardened Morrigan.
Eh, hardening Morrigan has no purpose, she doesn't need it. The way I see it in Origins,is that we have a chance of "softening" her. While it doesn't have in-game implications, when befriended or romanced, Morrigan does change quite a bit.

I'd say the collapse of the Chantry is Flemeth's doing rather than Morrigan's. Morri knows it'll happen but doesn't reveal how she feels about it, other than to hint it might bring freedom to people like herself.

And I cannot honestly see Morrigan being ok wih the Warden who agrees with being reduced to a stay-at-home husband.
In her talks with Leliana about love, Morrigan says that for her a relationship is all about respect between equals, so I cannot imagine her being happy with someone who carries out her every whim.

[Zjarcal]

Hello Morrigan Thread! Sorry to interrupt the interesting discussion about "hardening" Morrigan, but it was suggested that I should post this stuff here. I did a quick photomanip of a "Teacher Morrigan" for KoP, because the naughty little boy apparently is in need of some private classes.

So here's "Teacher Morrigan", complete with glasses, stockings, high heels, and a ruler (to discipline naughty KoP).



http://img25.imagesh...orriteacher.jpg



http://img826.images...achermorrig.jpg

Modifié par Zjarcal, 21 septembre 2010 - 01:57 .

[Jacks Smirking Revenge]

Besides, I never make a habbit of romancing 2 characters at once. All my male Wardens are reserved for Morrigan while Leliana gets the females. Everyone's a winner that way.



[/quote]



Well regardless of when the Archdemon was going to be confronted she knew she was going to leave you anyways. Dump was probably the wrong word, but she hardly expects the relationship to continue after the Blight ends due to her plans. Morrigan can't anticipate how you're going to react to the DR and her leaving. She doesn't know if you are going to chase after her until you say you are let alone actually find her(Witch Hunt). I believe at the moment she left she believed the relationship was over, but that doesn't mean she never loved you. The epilogue and Witch Hunt prove that she regrets that choice, and she changes her mind and lets you tag along in Witch Hunt, but it doesn't change the fact she anticipated the relationship to be over after the Blight.



I think love triangles are horrible as well. I was just responding to the question why Morrigan may feel why she does. If you had picked Leliana I think it would made her choice of leaving you much easier because she wouldn't be so emotionally connected, and it would be easier on you because she wouldn't be hurting you as much by leaving.

[Terra_Ex]

Zjarcal wrote...

Hello Morrigan Thread! Sorry to interrupt the interesting discussion about "hardening" Morrigan, but it was suggested that I should post this stuff here. I did a quick photomanip of a "Teacher Morrigan" for KoP, because the naughty little boy apparently is in need of some private classes.

So here's "Teacher Morrigan", complete with glasses, stockings, high heels, and a ruler (to discipline naughty KoP).



http://img25.imagesh...orriteacher.jpg



http://img826.images...achermorrig.jpg

... I think I might just love you for making that Zjarcal, great work, the morrithread approves

Anyway. I have another post to compose.

[Brockololly]

ximena wrote...
I actually adore how she nags at the Warden regarding "getting to know" Isabella. XD

Yeah, Morrigan is awesome when she gets all possessive

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
@ Chantry collapsing.
I must say that I really expect / hope for something much bigger than  this. Morrigan doing all this just to make the Chantry collapse? Highly  anti-climactic.  Maybe the Chantry collpasing is a side effect but I  wouldn't consider it major. The change Morrigan is talking about seems  to be on a fundamental level.

Thats more or less what I'm thinking- that whatever Morrigan may have in mind specifically with her plans, whatever her end goal is, its not to destroy the Chantry. Now maybe the Chantry being marginalized or swept away is a side effect of her plans but Morrigan seems to be aiming waaaay above mere earthly concerns, what with getting an Old God's soul in a child and now going somewhere beyond the Fade into Mirror World.

As far as the change goes, I'm still confused on that- it seems to me that whatever Morrigan's plan is, its not necessarily the "change" she refers to in WItch Hunt. Is Flemeth bringing in the "change"? Or is the change just some event that Morrigan and maybe Flemeth know is going to happen regardless and they're just trying to speed along its arrival?

Master Shiori wrote...
I'd say the collapse of the Chantry is  Flemeth's doing rather than Morrigan's. Morri knows it'll happen but  doesn't reveal how she feels about it, other than to hint it might bring freedom to people like herself.

Probably right- if the legends are anything to go by, Flemeth raised an army of witches in the past to try and conquer lands, so taking out the Chantry seems like a FLemeth thing to do. And while Morrigan has no love for the Chantry, her plans seem larger than that...

Master Shiori wrote...
And I cannot honestly see Morrigan being ok wih the Warden who agrees with being reduced to a stay-at-home husband.
In her talks with Leliana about love, Morrigan says that for her a  relationship is all about respect between equals, so I cannot imagine  her being happy with someone who carries out her every whim.

Ha- yeah, I suspect Morrigan would want the Warden out training and preparing Old God Baby and helping out that way, not painting the shed and baking the bread in domestic bliss.:lol:Morrigan wouldn't like a subservient Warden- she likes the give and take and the games...

Zjarcal wrote...

Hello Morrigan Thread! Sorry to interrupt the interesting discussion about "hardening" Morrigan, but it was  suggested that I should post this stuff here. I did a quick photomanip  of a "Teacher Morrigan" for KoP, because the naughty little boy  apparently is in need of some private classes.

So here's "Teacher Morrigan", complete with glasses, stockings, high heels, and a ruler (to discipline naughty KoP).

Oh, thats quite the welcome interruption Zjarcal! Very nicely done:)

Modifié par Brockololly, 21 septembre 2010 - 03:34 .

[Master Shiori]

Zjarcal wrote...

Hello Morrigan Thread! Sorry to interrupt the interesting discussion about "hardening" Morrigan, but it was suggested that I should post this stuff here. I did a quick photomanip of a "Teacher Morrigan" for KoP, because the naughty little boy apparently is in need of some private classes.

So here's "Teacher Morrigan", complete with glasses, stockings, high heels, and a ruler (to discipline naughty KoP).



http://img25.imagesh...orriteacher.jpg



http://img826.images...achermorrig.jpg

Master Shiori approves +100


Nice work there Zjarcal

[Terra_Ex]

I'll try to keep this shorter than last time Morri pic time:



[quote]PureMethodActor wrote...
I don't want voice acting in post DA2 titles either. To me, Dragon Age was perfect in its handling of being more old-school than their other recent titles. The only reason I'm contemplating voice acting for the Warden is the simple fact that this is the direction Bioware is going, and in my opinion, there's no use fighting it. I figure the sooner we can accept voiced protagonists the less stress it'll be on all of us. A sucky and pessimistic view, but realistically we can't expect Dragon Age to go back to its old-school roots after DA2 if they made DA2 what it is.
[/quote]
Well if they brought in Ben Browder to voice the romancing warden, maybe I could get on board...


[quote]Brockololly wrote...
On the topic of Witch Hunt- Witch Hunt 1.1 was released for PC earlier today- downloading it now. Don't know what to make of it- its a 900MB file, while the original DLC was about 700MB or so. Don't know what that means, if anything.*shrugs*
[/quote]
The only significant file in the package that I noticed is patch001.erf which contains the fixed stuff... Maybe a difference in compression schemes in the DAZIP? On a highly positive note, Bioware fixed the post game flag issue, the final save and the missing dialog option. Good to know all the issues raised were addressed.

[quote]Brockololly wrote...
So I guess thats good? Unless they decide to amp up Morrigan even more in the future to make her "Grimmer, darker and sexier" to set her apart? Like an even Goth-ier Morrigan? So yeah, even if Morrigan is 43 or so in DA3 they'll no doubt have her being the fittest 43 year old MILF Witch of the Wilds we've ever seen- as while we may appreciate Morrigan's personality and depth of character, keeping Morrigan HAWT for the Bros is in their console crowd's best interest.
[/quote]
I read Matt's assessment of DA:O's aesthetic look and the podcast where he talked about it, so yeah I suppose it does bode well if Morri met with his approval. Some of the recent screens have been considerably more impressive than the first two they released but it doesn't seem to have strayed too far from the original. Hopefully Morri won't be radically different upon her return.


[quote]Brockololly wrote...
I'm just worried if too much time passes between DA2 and DA3 or whenever Morrigan returns, they'll use the Taint as some excuse for the Warden not returning. I think Gaider may have mentioned it way back that how long a Warden lives with the Taint is in part affected by their exposure to darkspawn. So presumably the Warden has been in contact with TONS of darkspawn....
[/quote]
Well, that's the primary factor spurring these posts on - what ridiculous reasons can be dreamed up to nullify the warden. Pessimism is an important aspect of the Morri thread to balance the hope. While it'd definitely be interesting to see the effects of the taint I'm hoping for a more meaningful death for the warden.

[quote]Brockololly wrote...
Would certainly be interesting to see a "hardened" version of Morrigan if thats how your actions affected her going forward, just as it would be interesting to see a Morrigan thats been affected by having a child and being with the Warden.

[/quote]
I think that will almost certainly play an important role in when she returns, that's why I brought it up again - but yeah that certainly the way I see the "hardened" Morrigan plotline play out. Maybe when/if Flemeth eventually expires/is brought down Morrigan rises to take her place...


[quote]Brockololly wrote...
Bah- was hoping maybe one of them might Flemeth's grimoire or something. Still could be I guess...
[/quote]
It could be, the Witch Hunt import script looks at lots of things - vigil's keep walls, Jowan, whether the player kept the grimoire. Interestingly the flag for whether the player kept the grimoire doesn't to my knowledge function properly in vanilla DA  and would only trigger if the player gave the book to morrigan since the "return from the wilds" scene was cut from the game. Now I'm not sure how each of these various things factor into WH (or if some of them are a remnant from what could have been expansion pack 2?) but the conditional check for "REAL GRIMOIRE TAKEN" looks at the following flags:

// checking MORRIGAN_MAIN_PLAYER_KEPT_GRIMOIRE in genpt_morrigan_main
// checking MORRIGAN_MAIN_GIVEN_REAL_GRIMOIRE in genpt_morrigan_main

For what it's worth, here's some of the stuff Witch Hunt looks at when the import script runs:

STR_IMPORT_BEEN_TO_DRAGONBONE_WASTES
STR_IMPORT_BEEN_TO_CADASH_THAIG
STR_IMPORT_KILLED_ARCHITECT
STR_IMPORT_CIRCLE_DESTROYED
STR_IMPORT_HAVE_MORRIGANS_RING
STR_IMPORT_ALISTAIR_DID_RITUAL
STR_IMPORT_LOGHAIN_DID_RITUAL
STR_IMPORT_PLAYER_DID_RITUAL
STR_IMPORT_RITUAL_DONE
STR_IMPORT_FLEMETH_DEAD
STR_IMPORT_REAL_GRIMOIR_TAKEN
STR_IMPORT_PLAYER_IS_IMPORTED_ORLESIAN_WARDEN
STR_IMPORT_JOWAN_DEAD
STR_IMPORT_REDCLIFFE_ABANDONED
STR_IMPORT_HARROWMONT_MADE_KING
STR_IMPORT_AMARANTHINE_SAVED
STR_IMPORT_AMARANTHINE_ABANDONED
STR_IMPORT_AMARANTHINE_SMUGGLERS_COMPLETE
STR_IMPORT_VIGILS_KEEP_WALLS_UPGRADED
STR_IMPORT_VIGILS_KEEP_ROADS_DEFENDED
STR_IMPORT_VIGILS_KEEP_MERCHANTS_FOUND

It's been so long since I played vanilla DA:O but iirc you couldn't finish Morrigan's personal quest and keep the grimoire yourself since it's a gift item, and it's the return from the wilds scene that sets the flag where you kept the grimoire... Don't know if that will have any effect in the future though...

[quote]Brockololly wrote...
Yeah, I tried to enlighten Seb Hanlon about player VO in this thread (down the page a ways), so maybe all is not a lost cause...

But the best argument against player VO? Jacob Taylor romance in ME2 /images/forum/emoticons/sick.png
'Nuff said.
[/quote]

Good work Brock, I think you and Sylvius both covered the main points and its good to know that Bioware is actually trying to understand the logic behind your arguments. It is an important issue that deserves more consideration before there's no turning back.

[quote]Brockololly wrote...
If BioWare wants to keep up the whole "mystery" angle with Morrigan, they could have her reappear from Mirror World but in some altered form one way or another- either changed appearance, super powered or altered personality or something. Basically change her in such a way that she's a "new" version of Morrigan- new for old players that would be wondering what went on to change her and new for new players in a literal sense. Hell, they'll probably reduce the Warden to a Khalid type role to Jaheira in BG2..../images/forum/emoticons/sad.png
[/quote]
And in doing so they would impose the "one size fits all" grievance that we complained about, likely negating much of the player's
actions up til that point.

[quote]Brockololly wrote...
And this quote from Gaider in that same thread about the silent PC versus ME style:
[/quote]
Just as we've said before it's the contradictions and constantly shifting goalposts that annoy me. First we have BW reasoning that silent protagonist is a good thing, next Gaider states there would be limitations to a ME style system. Now he says he can recreate any of the Origins dialog using the new system, implying no such limitations exist...

That's why I don't put much stock in the devs saying "this is better than what we had before", it's their intent to sell the game, fair enough, but their public-facing "opinions" are inherently coloured by the "vision" of the the product at hand. The actual reasons are masked behind a thin veil of psuedo-truths.


[quote]Brockololly wrote...
Witch Hunt was such a pleasant surprise in how it recalled the little things like the ring- I'd like to think by acknowledging little things like that, BIoWare wouldn't be dumb enough to dump the Warden and just bring back Morrigan in the belief people simply want more Morrigan. Thats only half of the equation. While it may be neat to see known companions from a different perspective, with Morrigan, the potential emotional enagagement and connection between her and the PC is huge potentially- love, a child (normal or God-like), and taking a leap of faith in stepping into the unknown with her. To just toss that aside thinking the story would be better served with a fresh take on Morrigan, divorcing her from the Warden and how the Warden was able to interact with her would be myopic.
[/quote]
It's one of the few and very rare opportunities to have something that isn't a singular hard-set choice transfer across and continue into a new game and that is exciting. You've got the romance, OGB, WH confrontation, how you treated Morrigan, how you parted - all these things combined potentially impacting her story and the scope for that is huge.



[quote]Brockololly wrote...
Yeah, one question I'm wondering is given the framed narrative, do we ever play as Hawke once the game sort of catches up to Varric and Cassandra? If so,  then I'd say Hawke could certainly be killable. Or they could end with Hawke's whereabouts a mystery, since BioWare seems fond of cliffhangers and unresolved plots.
[/quote]
I'm expecting something clever near that point, something that turns events on their head maybe... but there's no way that'll be revealed before release.

[quote]Brockololly wrote...
I'm wondering too, just how the Chantry collapses? I'd guess that has something to do with the Templars and Mages and Flemeth, but how exactly? Just some big war? I wonder if Hawke gets Plot Hammered into causing the collapse of the Chantry or if a Chantry loving Hawke can prevent it?
[/quote]
From what I've read it seems pretty unavoidable based on some of the reasoning we have for Cassandra's interest in him. Presumably it is a major event that must happen in order to further the plot.

[quote]Brockololly wrote...
Yeah, I found that ending bit a little strange. On one hand she is telling you how she absolutely cannot tell you her plans and is being frustratingly vague on what this "change" is to come, yet simply say "I want to come along" and she only mildly objectes before letting you tag along and face the future together.
[/quote]
A couple of reasons I guess:
- Budgetary - Extreme limit on the number of lines Claudia could voice due to budget.
- it infers that Morrigan still has strong feelings for the warden a year later. Absence makes the heart grow fonder and all that.
- It was inexplicable not an available option in Origins.
- A test of the strength of the relationship after being apart for 1 year.

But I think the main reason is there was probably a hard limit on Morrigan's lines.


[quote]MKDAWUSS wrote...
I would think that it would be dependent on other flags as well - I think the mirror travel decision will just determine a few lines as to their latest fates. I think that would really be shoehorning things to just assume that all Warden-Morrigan romancers sent their Wardens through the mirror. In my case, it was also a case of duty. The Hero of Ferelden is needed in this world, in much the same manner that Morrigan is needed in the world beyond the mirror. They've said good-byes before (the DR) and somehow still feel connected to each other and find each other (the ring, WH).
[/quote]
Interesting, I too think other flags would be taken into account, but to the point - I have a different viewpoint on that. The warden has fulfilled his apparent "duty" (which he didn't have much of a choice in the matter tbh). He selflessly sifted through the veritable cesspool that is Ferelden, felled the Archdemon before travelling to Amarathine where nobles tried to have him assassinated as he quelled the trouble there.

For me, by WH, he owes nothing to Ferelden (the inhabitants of which have tried to slander & kill him on more than one occasion) and makes the choice to throw his lot in with Morri. There has to be a point where you stop serving the masses (as Wynne would have you do) and do something for yourself, especially with the taint death sentence handily imposed upon you. Regarding duty, considering one of the ways GW's recruit is forced conscription there's no way in hell all warden's would have an unwavering sense of loyalty to the order, iirc there are some conversations about it with Anders in Awakening. I kind of like the idea that the warden might be straying from the typical "good path" by going through the mirror, it's in line with my thinking and makes for a more interesting story so that's the only ending for me. Granted, it's different for every player but I tire of the notion in gaming that the hero must remain a selfless figure at the expense of his/her own desires/happiness, Morrigan represents an alternative to the quandary.


[quote]PureMethodActor wrote...
I can only see the relationship getting stronger. Morrigan warns the Warden out of love not to join her beyond the Eluvian. Whether going through the mirror will result in a Warden death or something else, it is clear Morrigan is concerned. At the same time, as others have mentioned, Morrigan will be safer there with the Warden by her side, so she will have that care and concern reciprocated. Ideally the journey of their love is one of continually growing trust, and the more things happen that solidify that trust, the stronger the feelings are between them.
[/quote]
I would agree with this, whilst it's not something I expect them to devote screentime to, it's implied through the romance dialogs that Morri's facade is cracking (and it does in certain dialogs) so I can certainly foresee Morrigan becoming more open to a romancing warden, showing a different side only to him whilst still remaining the quintessential Morri that we all love. It is of course something that could only be developed and shown in-game if the warden is back in the picture.


[quote]ximena wrote...

[quote]Master Shiori wrote...

[quote]Johnny Pothead wrote...

maybe a hardened morrigan will be up for a threesome for Leliana. lol[/quote]

Morrigan doesn't share. Ever!! {smilie}

[/quote]

Quoted for the sake of justice.

I actually adore how she nags at the Warden regarding "getting to know" Isabella. XD

[/quote]


AYe, Morri is actually incredibly possessive over the warden. It is however applied inconsistently across the game, as she bizarrely says nothing in the Nature of the Beast plotline if you choose to "educate" Gheyna, despite being written by Gaider as well... But yeah, I appreciated Morri's interjection with the Isabella dialog.


[quote]Master Shiori wrote...

I'd say the collapse of the Chantry is Flemeth's doing rather than Morrigan's. Morri knows it'll happen but doesn't reveal how she feels about it, other than to hint it might bring freedom to people like herself.

And I cannot honestly see Morrigan being ok wih the Warden who agrees with being reduced to a stay-at-home husband.
In her talks with Leliana about love, Morrigan says that for her a relationship is all about respect between equals, so I cannot imagine her being happy with someone who carries out her every whim.

[/quote]
While some of what she says is a front, I agree that (joking aside) it's a fairly even balance in the relationship - Morri needs someone who will challenge her quick wit to be sure, and yes I believe the Chantry's downfall will be primarilly due to Flemeth/Hawke as Morri is pretty much confirmed as out for DA2.

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 21 septembre 2010 - 03:40 .

[Brockololly]

Huuuurrrhurrr

Queen Morrigan in Castle Cousland? Whaaaa?

[quote]Terra_Ex wrote...
I read Matt's assessment of DA:O's aesthetic look and the podcast where he talked about it, so yeah I suppose it does bode well if Morri met with his approval. Some of the recent screens have been considerably more impressive than the first two they released but it doesn't seem to have strayed too far from the original. Hopefully Morri won't be radically different upon her return.[/quote]
I guess if Morrigan doesn't even make an appearance in DA2, the "new" art style might not even mean much. For all we know they'll change up the look of the game again come DA3, so who knows?

I'd just be worried if they're making everything "grim, dark and sexy" that in making everyone else like that they feel the need to amp up MOrrigan's grimness, darkness and sexiness and it gets silly.

And yeah, some of the more recent screens look better than their initial ones with DA2, but the environments still look rather drab and bland both artistically and technically speaking. I just hope the PC version keeps or adds to the graphical settings we can tweak and doesn't further dumb things down like most multiplatform games do.

[quote]Terra_Ex wrote...
Well, that's the primary factor spurring these posts on - what ridiculous reasons can be dreamed up to nullify the warden. Pessimism is an important aspect of the Morri thread to balance the hope. While it'd definitely be interesting to see the effects of the taint I'm hoping for a more meaningful death for the warden.[/quote]
Yeah, exploring the Taint either through its progression of via somebody like Avernus would be interesting. But if they're going to kill off the Warden somehow I'd much rather have him go down swinging alongside Morrigan and the OGB and not just offing himself in his Calling.


[quote]Terra_Ex wrote...
I think that will almost certainly play an important role in when she returns, that's why I brought it up again - but yeah that certainly the way I see the "hardened" Morrigan plotline play out. Maybe when/if Flemeth eventually expires/is brought down Morrigan rises to take her place...[/quote]
Hmmm...yeah, I know there is a banter between I think Morrigan and Zevran where he basically insinuates Morrigan wants to depose Flemeth and take her power and "title" as Witch of the Wilds- to which Morrigan says something like why would I want my throne to be a dilpidated shack in the Wilds. I think there may be something there though in terms of Morrigan wanting to be as powerful or more powerful than Flemeth. And perhaps if your Warden has treated her like garbage, when she gets super powerful she's basically a villain whil if you were friendly or romancing her, she's an ally.

[quote]Terra_Ex wrote...
Now I'm not sure how each of these various things factor into WH (or if some of them are a remnant from what could have been expansion pack 2?) but the conditional check for "REAL GRIMOIRE TAKEN" looks at the following flags:[/quote]
Interesting...I'll latch on to the conspiracy theory that Witch Hunt was going to be part of another expack that got eaten up by DA2....

[quote]Terra_Ex wrote...
It's been so long since I played vanilla DA:O but iirc you couldn't finish Morrigan's personal quest and keep the grimoire yourself since it's a gift item, and it's the return from the wilds scene that sets the flag where you kept the grimoire... Don't know if that will have any effect in the future though...[/quote]
Given how some of those flags are very Awakening-centric, I wonder why they're there if they didn't plan something with them? Or maybe they're just leftovers or important for DA2 or something. I just worry that BioWare loses track of all these flags over time or that as the games progress, any bugs with them just sort of snowball. I'll be very interested to see how DA2 handles the import process though.


[quote]Terra_Ex wrote...
Good work Brock, I think you and Sylvius both covered the main points and its good to know that Bioware is actually trying to understand the logic behind your arguments. It is an important issue that deserves more consideration before there's no turning back. [/quote]
Yeah, its just sad that now most people seem to simply associate RPG=Story, when having a story is only a small part to what I'd consider an "RPG." But thats a whole other discussion.


Just as we've said before it's the contradictions and constantly shifting goalposts that annoy me. First we have BW reasoning that silent protagonist is a good thing, next Gaider states there would be limitations to a ME style system. Now he says he can recreate any of the Origins dialog using the new system, implying no such limitations exist... [/quote]
Yeah, and there are more quotes in that same vein to be found on DA Central. The thing I took away from most of them is that at the time they didn't feel the silent PC was "old school" yet they already saw the writing on the wall that the media reviewers would think DAO was "old school" given ME's reception. And that given Origins' focus on character creation, a voiced PC wouldn't have been practical unless they simplified it to one voice per sex. And given how it seems ME is a Sacred Cow at BioWare and they focus so much on reviews, thats how we've got Hawke in DA2....meh.


[quote]Terra_Ex wrote...
I'm expecting something clever near that point, something that turns events on their head maybe... but there's no way that'll be revealed before release.[/quote]
Yeah, it seems the framed narrative is the perfect form of story telling for the GOTCHA! moments. Just look at Usual Suspects. I know Gaider has said they won't do GOTCHA! moments with the frames narrative, but I'm not so sure. I'll definitely be on the lookout for the Plot Hammer.


[quote]Terra_Ex wrote...
A couple of reasons I guess:
- Budgetary - Extreme limit on the number of lines Claudia could voice due to budget.
- it infers that Morrigan still has strong feelings for the warden a year later. Absence makes the heart grow fonder and all that.
- It was inexplicable not an available option in Origins.
- A test of the strength of the relationship after being apart for 1 year.

But I think the main reason is there was probably a hard limit on Morrigan's lines.[/quote]
Probably right that it came down to budget. *sigh* I enjoyed WH, but its disappointing that it wasn't longer with more actual Morrigan in the game. It should have been that you find Morrigan towards the end but then have one final area to explore with Morrigan in your party as you find the Eluvian with Morrigan.


[quote]Terra_Ex wrote...
For me, by WH, he owes nothing to Ferelden (the inhabitants of which have tried to slander & kill him on more than one occasion) and makes the choice to throw his lot in with Morri. There has to be a point where you stop serving the masses (as Wynne would have you do) and do something for yourself, especially with the taint death sentence handily imposed upon you. [/quote]
Obviously you can RP it however you want, but I agree. If you're a Cousland or King Consort, you could make a case for staying behind if your Warden is all duty. But its sort of like hardening Alistair in telling him to start looking out for himself and to put himself first. Like you said Terra, by the time WH rolls around the Warden has saved the world from a Blight, and bailed out Amaranthine and Ferelden numerous times. So while my Cousland may feel some duty to those people in Ferelden like Fergus back in Highever or his buddies King Alistair and Queen  Anora, he feels like he's also got a duty to not be a deadbeat Dad and to try and make things work between him and Morrigan. He's not abandoning the world, but he's got personal affairs to attend to. Thats his own personal duty and dammit he's not going to let that slide either.

And if that means the Warden has "gone rogue" well thats a nice twist as opposed to simply being the Warden that dutifully bows down to the FIrst Warden, you're like the Warden version of Jack Bauer now! Should we get to play as the Warden again though, I'd like to see more kinds of Warden at Weisshaupt- the range from strict, duty bound ones to more lax anything goes Wardens. Or maybe even we'll have a bit of light shed on how the Wardens view our Warden and his fate if we maybe have a Warden companion in DA2?

Maybe have Hawke pick up a Warden companion after WItch Hunt's time and have him/her talking to Hawke about rumors of how he disappeared with the Witch or maybe how they discovered that Eluvian or something. Little things like that would be appreciated in DA2.


[quote]Terra_Ex wrote...
I would agree with this, whilst it's not something I expect them to devote screentime to, it's implied through the romance dialogs that Morri's facade is cracking (and it does in certain dialogs) so I can certainly foresee Morrigan becoming more open to a romancing warden, showing a different side only to him whilst still remaining the quintessential Morri that we all love. It is of course something that could only be developed and shown in-game if the warden is back in the picture.[/quote]
I'd like to see Morrigan's character and personality continue to develop, but she still needs to stay sufficiently "Morrigan" So maybe she's a bit softer around the edges and more willing to show her emotions around the Warden, but she still is harsh and abrasive to strangers.

I think Ximena does a nice job of balancing the snarky with the sentimental Morrigan in Demons WIthin.

[quote]Terra_Ex wrote...
AYe, Morri is actually incredibly possessive over the warden. It is however applied inconsistently across the game, as she bizarrely says nothing in the Nature of the Beast plotline if you choose to "educate" Gheyna, despite being written by Gaider as well... But yeah, I appreciated Morri's interjection with the Isabella dialog. [/quote]
Yeah thats weird- yet if you get Gheyna and Cammen together you lose approval with her "Does anyone else feel the urge to vommit? No?" line. Morrigan's got several odd approval shifts like that- like her approving the Kitty demon take over the kid in Honnleath.



[quote]Terra_Ex wrote...
While some of what she says is a front, I agree that (joking aside) it's a fairly even balance in the relationship - Morri needs someone who will challenge her quick wit to be sure, and yes I believe the Chantry's downfall will be primarilly due to Flemeth/Hawke as Morri is pretty much confirmed as out for DA2.
[/quote]

Yeah, Mo' is likely a no show in DA2. I'm sure there will be references to her though. Maybe it was Shiori mentioning it earlier, but it would be sort of neat if Flemeth shed some insight into Morrigan over the course of DA2- whether thats Morrigan's parentage or what Flemeth's plans for Morrigan are if she doesn't care about stealing Morrigan's body.

That also gets to the point of how Flemeth returns in DA2 after the point where she could have been killed by the Warden. Will she look different once again aside from her new look as we've seen it so far? 

Or how about this for some crazy speculation, that would fit well with the notion we'll get a big twist once the framed narrative catches up: CASSANDRA IS ACTUALLY SHAPESHIFTED FLEMETH!!!!!

Check it out- Cassandra even has crazy eyes!(taken from crummy Gamescom cam)

Yes, I'm joking......sort of...

And while I'm engaging in crazy speculation, I'll bring up this image again from a while back from that Game Informer video:

[Master Shiori]

[quote]Brockololly wrote...

Huuuurrrhurrr

Queen Morrigan in Castle Cousland? Whaaaa?
[/quote]

I simply cannot imagine Morrigan trying to live as a noble. She has such a hard time fitting in among the common folk that nobility seems to be a bit too much, at least until the Warden teaches her some basics of living in a human society.
That's the reason I never understood why she'd insinuate herself into the Orlasian court. If she found the common people in Ferelden difficult to understand than living among the Orlasian nobles would literaly be hell for her.


[quote]Brockololly wrote...

Hmmm...yeah, I know there is a banter between I think Morrigan and Zevran where he basically insinuates Morrigan wants to depose Flemeth and take her power and "title" as Witch of the Wilds- to which Morrigan says something like why would I want my throne to be a dilpidated shack in the Wilds. I think there may be something there though in terms of Morrigan wanting to be as powerful or more powerful than Flemeth. And perhaps if your Warden has treated her like garbage, when she gets super powerful she's basically a villain whil if you were friendly or romancing her, she's an ally.
[/quote]

She also comments about freedom quite a lot: in the Circle Tower, in Dalish camp, during her discussions with Wynne. You can also gather from her talks about shapeshifting and exploring the Wilds in animal form that it gave her a sense of freedom, both from Flemeth, templars and common folk. Flemeth herself even mentions that it would be interesting to see what Morrigan would do if free from her.

I'm not sure what kind of hold Flemeth has over Morri but it seems like it's something Morrigan desires to be rid of. Becoming a powerful sorceress in her own right is probably a step in that dirrection.

And her attitude towards humans is truly fascinating. On one hand she despises other people for their ignorance and prejudice, but still finds the human society fascinating and wants to learn more of it (her fascination with the marketplace in Denerim is a good example).

I don't think Morrigan is after power for it's own sake or because she wants to become some powerful figure in Thedas. To me it seems as if she seeks freedom and a chance to find her own place in the world.



[quote]Brockololly wrote...

[quote]Terra_Ex wrote...
For me, by WH, he owes nothing to Ferelden (the inhabitants of which have tried to slander & kill him on more than one occasion) and makes the choice to throw his lot in with Morri. There has to be a point where you stop serving the masses (as Wynne would have you do) and do something for yourself, especially with the taint death sentence handily imposed upon you. [/quote]
Obviously you can RP it however you want, but I agree. If you're a Cousland or King Consort, you could make a case for staying behind if your Warden is all duty. But its sort of like hardening Alistair in telling him to start looking out for himself and to put himself first. Like you said Terra, by the time WH rolls around the Warden has saved the world from a Blight, and bailed out Amaranthine and Ferelden numerous times. So while my Cousland may feel some duty to those people in Ferelden like Fergus back in Highever or his buddies King Alistair and Queen  Anora, he feels like he's also got a duty to not be a deadbeat Dad and to try and make things work between him and Morrigan. He's not abandoning the world, but he's got personal affairs to attend to. Thats his own personal duty and dammit he's not going to let that slide either.

And if that means the Warden has "gone rogue" well thats a nice twist as opposed to simply being the Warden that dutifully bows down to the FIrst Warden, you're like the Warden version of Jack Bauer now! Should we get to play as the Warden again though, I'd like to see more kinds of Warden at Weisshaupt- the range from strict, duty bound ones to more lax anything goes Wardens. Or maybe even we'll have a bit of light shed on how the Wardens view our Warden and his fate if we maybe have a Warden companion in DA2?

Maybe have Hawke pick up a Warden companion after WItch Hunt's time and have him/her talking to Hawke about rumors of how he disappeared with the Witch or maybe how they discovered that Eluvian or something. Little things like that would be appreciated in DA2.
[/quote]

I got the impression that DA2 will allow us to see how our choices in DA:O reflect on the world. As for Wardens reasons to follow Morri; do we really need one? I know people love to roleplay and come up with justifications for why their character would do A instead of B, but I seriously doubt Bioware would even care for that. To them it's probably more about which decisions were made and how they reflect on the world at large, rather than why they were made in the first place.


[quote]Brockololly wrote...

[quote]Terra_Ex wrote...
I would agree with this, whilst it's not something I expect them to devote screentime to, it's implied through the romance dialogs that Morri's facade is cracking (and it does in certain dialogs) so I can certainly foresee Morrigan becoming more open to a romancing warden, showing a different side only to him whilst still remaining the quintessential Morri that we all love. It is of course something that could only be developed and shown in-game if the warden is back in the picture.[/quote]
I'd like to see Morrigan's character and personality continue to develop, but she still needs to stay sufficiently "Morrigan" So maybe she's a bit softer around the edges and more willing to show her emotions around the Warden, but she still is harsh and abrasive to strangers.

I think Ximena does a nice job of balancing the snarky with the sentimental Morrigan in Demons WIthin.
[/quote]

Ximena did an awesome job, though I do find her Morri a bit lighthearted at times (in a good way. You can see she's geuninely happy to be with Edric).
I don't think we'll ever see Morrigan drop her guard down and become "softer" towards people in general, but she'll certainly show her softer side to her lover, friends and the OGB.

In particular, I believe Morrigan will try to be a better mother to OGB then Flemeth was to her. People who lacked loving parents or had a difficult childhood tend to do their best to spare their own children from similar experience. I see Morrigan as being a firm yet caring mother.


[quote]Brockololly wrote...

[quote]Terra_Ex wrote...
AYe, Morri is actually incredibly possessive over the warden. It is however applied inconsistently across the game, as she bizarrely says nothing in the Nature of the Beast plotline if you choose to "educate" Gheyna, despite being written by Gaider as well... But yeah, I appreciated Morri's interjection with the Isabella dialog. [/quote]
Yeah thats weird- yet if you get Gheyna and Cammen together you lose approval with her "Does anyone else feel the urge to vommit? No?" line. Morrigan's got several odd approval shifts like that- like her approving the Kitty demon take over the kid in Honnleath.
[/quote]

The Gheyna moment is odd for a number of companions. I was surprised to find that Wynne approved me bedding Gheyna and ruining her relationship with Cammen.


[quote]Brockololly wrote...

[quote]Terra_Ex wrote...
While some of what she says is a front, I agree that (joking aside) it's a fairly even balance in the relationship - Morri needs someone who will challenge her quick wit to be sure, and yes I believe the Chantry's downfall will be primarilly due to Flemeth/Hawke as Morri is pretty much confirmed as out for DA2.
[/quote]

Yeah, Mo' is likely a no show in DA2. I'm sure there will be references to her though. Maybe it was Shiori mentioning it earlier, but it would be sort of neat if Flemeth shed some insight into Morrigan over the course of DA2- whether thats Morrigan's parentage or what Flemeth's plans for Morrigan are if she doesn't care about stealing Morrigan's body.

That also gets to the point of how Flemeth returns in DA2 after the point where she could have been killed by the Warden. Will she look different once again aside from her new look as we've seen it so far? 

Or how about this for some crazy speculation, that would fit well with the notion we'll get a big twist once the framed narrative catches up: CASSANDRA IS ACTUALLY SHAPESHIFTED FLEMETH!!!!!
[/quote]

I expect there will be some refrence to Morrigan in DA2.

While I don't expect some huge revelation, I do believe we'll discover more about Flemeth's plans and possibly about Morrigan and DR.

[quote]Brockololly wrote...
Check it out- Cassandra even has crazy eyes!(taken from crummy Gamescom cam)

Yes, I'm joking......sort of...
[/quote]

Of course she has crazy eyes! She's a bloody Chantry inquisitor, the biggest religious nut in a legion of religious nuts (the templars).


[quote]Brockololly wrote...

And while I'm engaging in crazy speculation, I'll bring up this image again from a while back from that Game Informer video:




[/quote]

They both look like Flemeth to me, except she's wearing a hood in the second picture.

[MKDAWUSS]

Master Shiori wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Terra_Ex wrote...
For me, by WH, he owes nothing to Ferelden (the inhabitants of which have tried to slander & kill him on more than one occasion) and makes the choice to throw his lot in with Morri. There has to be a point where you stop serving the masses (as Wynne would have you do) and do something for yourself, especially with the taint death sentence handily imposed upon you.

Obviously you can RP it however you want, but I agree. If you're a Cousland or King Consort, you could make a case for staying behind if your Warden is all duty. But its sort of like hardening Alistair in telling him to start looking out for himself and to put himself first. Like you said Terra, by the time WH rolls around the Warden has saved the world from a Blight, and bailed out Amaranthine and Ferelden numerous times. So while my Cousland may feel some duty to those people in Ferelden like Fergus back in Highever or his buddies King Alistair and Queen  Anora, he feels like he's also got a duty to not be a deadbeat Dad and to try and make things work between him and Morrigan. He's not abandoning the world, but he's got personal affairs to attend to. Thats his own personal duty and dammit he's not going to let that slide either.

And if that means the Warden has "gone rogue" well thats a nice twist as opposed to simply being the Warden that dutifully bows down to the FIrst Warden, you're like the Warden version of Jack Bauer now! Should we get to play as the Warden again though, I'd like to see more kinds of Warden at Weisshaupt- the range from strict, duty bound ones to more lax anything goes Wardens. Or maybe even we'll have a bit of light shed on how the Wardens view our Warden and his fate if we maybe have a Warden companion in DA2?

Maybe have Hawke pick up a Warden companion after WItch Hunt's time and have him/her talking to Hawke about rumors of how he disappeared with the Witch or maybe how they discovered that Eluvian or something. Little things like that would be appreciated in DA2.

I got the impression that DA2 will allow us to see how our choices in DA:O reflect on the world. As for Wardens reasons to follow Morri; do we really need one? I know people love to roleplay and come up with justifications for why their character would do A instead of B, but I seriously doubt Bioware would even care for that. To them it's probably more about which decisions were made and how they reflect on the world at large, rather than why they were made in the first place.

Did our choices in DAO really have much impact? Who you recruited in the Circle Tower had no impact whatsoever in Witch Hunt (Hadley kinda seemed irked about what I did and I sided with the Templars, dunno if it's different for those who sided with the Mages), Redcliffe, Lothering, and Denerim get rebuilt, the Brecilian Forest is empty... I think the only variables are going to be who you romanced, what endings you got in Origins (DR, CS, US), Awakening (save the city, save the keep), and Witch Hunt.

And Brock did make a good point - different Wardens based on their background are going to be doing different things. Sure, the Blight may be over and he may have held down Amaranthine as the Ferelden Wardens rebuilt, there is more to the Warden than just fighting darkspawn, especially if they're sitting on the court, monarch of Ferelden, or rebuilding their homeland (Highever if HN, Alienage if CE...). And then there is protecting Ferelden from dangers other than darkspawn.

The whole absentee father thing could turn into an ESB-like punchline down the road, though.

I don't think we'll ever see Morrigan drop her guard down and become "softer" towards people in general, but she'll certainly show her softer side to her lover, friends and the OGB.

In particular, I believe Morrigan will try to be a better mother to OGB then Flemeth was to her. People who lacked loving parents or had a difficult childhood tend to do their best to spare their own children from similar experience. I see Morrigan as being a firm yet caring mother.

I think that her relationship with the Warden definitely has an impact on how she's going to raise the OGB, with or without the Warden. The Morrigan we see around the Battle of Ostagar is totally different than the Morrigan around the Battle of Denerim, and different than the Morrigan who reactivates the Eluvians.

I expect there will be some refrence to Morrigan in DA2.

While I don't expect some huge revelation, I do believe we'll discover more about Flemeth's plans and possibly about Morrigan and DR.

They both look like Flemeth to me, except she's wearing a hood in the second picture.

I'm thinking that both Morrigan and the Warden will get a few references in DA2. Not sure how many, since I'm not sure what would be public knowledge - I don't think anyone knew about the DR except the 2 Ferelden Grey Wardens, for instance. Ariane didn't know about the relationship or the DR.

[Brockololly]

[quote]Master Shiori wrote...
That's the reason I never understood why she'd insinuate herself into the Orlasian court. If she found the common people in Ferelden difficult to understand than living among the Orlasian nobles would literaly be hell for her.[/quote]
Yeah, I never understood that one- she'd be a fish out of water for sure.

[quote]Master Shiori wrote...
I don't think Morrigan is after power for it's own sake or because she wants to become some powerful figure in Thedas. To me it seems as if she seeks freedom and a chance to find her own place in the world. [/quote]

Totally agree- Morrigan doesn't seek power to rule over people or control others I don't think. She seeks power to increase her ability to survive in a hostile world thereby affording her greater freedom. That said though, in many of the previews I've seen for DA2 and such its seems they want to emphasize the whole "price of power" angle on things. And while Morrigan likely won't be in DA2, it makes me wonder to what ends would Morrigan go to achieve the power she seeks? At what point would she stop? Does she have some end goal in mind?

Its just rare in self ascribed "dark" fiction or fantasy to have some ambitious person seeking power not eventually step on someone's toes on their rise to power and potentially have that come back to haunt them or otherwise get in over their heads- thats pure Shakespeare and pure MacBeth right there, which I think Matt Goldman mentioned in the podcast as being a sort of influence on DA2.

With Morrigan, it seems she is messing around with ancient Tevinter Eluvians, the souls of Old Gods and realms beyond the Fade- and a mother who is some terror worse than an abomination.  Thats some rather crazy stuff- I hope she knows what she is doing.

[quote]Master Shiori wrote...
To them it's probably more about which decisions were made and how they reflect on the world at large, rather than why they were made in the first place.[/quote]
Oh, I'm sure most references to Origins will be about the big events, but I'd expect some specific references or rumors about the Warden's exploits too- you even have crazy rumors about the Hero of Ferelden in Witch Hunt when you go in the Mage's Tower and hear about the Warden and his...experience at the Pearl.

[quote]Master Shiori wrote...
In particular, I believe Morrigan will try to be a better mother to OGB then Flemeth was to her. People who lacked loving parents or had a difficult childhood tend to do their best to spare their own children from similar experience. I see Morrigan as being a firm yet caring mother.[/quote]
Yeah, Morrigan seems to appreciate Flemeth's teachings in so far as they've kept her alive but I think especially with the Warden she sees him as proof that you don't necessarily need to be harsh all the time to get the job done. I'd imagine she'll be all business with the OGB most of the time but occassionally soften up with him- kind of how she is with Dog in a way.

[quote]Master Shiori wrote...
I expect there will be some refrence to Morrigan in DA2.

While I don't expect some huge revelation, I do believe we'll discover more about Flemeth's plans and possibly about Morrigan and DR. [/quote]
That would be nice- possibly some other angle to Morrigan or the DR or Flemeth which maybe from a strict RP perspective of Hawke would just be a little bit of information, but with the player's metagaming knowledge, might start to cause some pieces of the puzzle to fall into place.

But considering they've said Morrigan is the most popular DA character, they'd be crazy to not reference her at all.

[quote]Master Shiori wrote...
Of course she has crazy eyes! She's a bloody Chantry inquisitor, the biggest religious nut in a legion of religious nuts (the templars). [/quote]
I hope they don't simply make all the Chantry figures out to be nutjobs in DA2- enough people hate the Chantry as is. Its easy to hate on the Chantry and label them as all religous zealots persecuting mages, and I hope BioWare can provide a bit more balanced view of them in DA2. 

[quote]Master Shiori wrote...
[quote]Brockololly wrote...
And while I'm engaging in crazy speculation, I'll bring up this image again from a while back from that Game Informer video:


[/quote]
They both look like Flemeth to me, except she's wearing a hood in the second picture.
[/quote]
Until the day DA2 comes out, I'm standing by my assertion that the red robed figure on the bottom is Morrigan- we'll see who is right come March 2011.

[quote]MKDAWUSS wrote...
Did
our choices in DAO really have much impact? [/quote]
At least as far as them having an impact in Witch Hunt, it likely had as much to do with budget as anything. So hopefully in a full sequel, they can have those Origins choices have a more significant role.


[quote]MKDAWUSS wrote...
I think
that her relationship with the Warden definitely has an impact on how
she's going to raise the OGB, with or without the Warden. The Morrigan
we see around the Battle of Ostagar is totally different than the
Morrigan around the Battle of Denerim, and different than the Morrigan
who reactivates the Eluvians.[/quote]
Right- thats character development right there and thats a very good thing!

[quote]MKDAWUSS wrote...
I'm
thinking that both Morrigan and the Warden will get a few references in
DA2. Not sure how many, since I'm not sure what would be public
knowledge - I don't think anyone knew about the DR except the 2 Ferelden
Grey Wardens, for instance. Ariane didn't know about the relationship
or the DR.[/quote]
Well, there are flags for who knew about the DR and all that in Origins. And you could have spoken to Ariane about your relationship with Morrigan.
Again, they could handle references to Morrigan or the Warden in any number of ways- overhear people in Kirkwall  talking about crazy rumors about the Warden and Morrigan, or overhear stuff from the refugees from Ferelden living in Kirkwall. Or maybe you end up chatting with other Wardens who tell you stories they've heard about how the Hero of Ferelden disappeared with some Witch of the Wilds and the FIrst Warden is ticked off or something...lots of things they coudl do, I imagine- from little gossip type rumors to having big stuff like meeting King/Drunk Alistair or having the fate of the Sacred Ashes affect the Chantry's fate.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Brockololly wrote...
I hope they don't simply make all the Chantry figures out to be nutjobs in DA2- enough people hate the Chantry as is. Its easy to hate on the Chantry and label them as all religous zealots persecuting mages, and I hope BioWare can provide a bit more balanced view of them in DA2. 

Well considering the Quanri treatment of mages and how they invade in DA2, I think most people will see that the Chantry isn't that bad.

What I am worried about is them villifying the Qunari. They obviously have a system that is alien to us, but alien doesn't have to be all horrific. I mean, yes their treatment of mages sucks, but I hope they counter-balance and show a good side to compensate.
Same with the Chantry.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 22 septembre 2010 - 01:10 .